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Posted by: Cal Nov 17 2019, 12:08 PM

These photos were posted on instagram yesterday from Canepa’s shop. Is this the 916 Brutus that sold for $1M in Paris last winter?




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Posted by: mepstein Nov 17 2019, 12:12 PM

Looks like it. Room for endurance gas tank, etc.

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 17 2019, 12:15 PM

Well , Probably not up to new owner standard..
https://gramho.com/media/2178768345410884736
and
the car was said to be in sorry shape. Rust and prior body repairs complicated the restoration process, as did the unique 2.9-liter racing-spec engine. For the latter, the rebuilding was entrusted to Porsche RSR specialist Drew Slaton, while engineer-turned-racer Jürgen Barth and 914 authority George Hussey contributed their expertise to the project as well.

budget is everything, it was bought to be sold..at auction

Posted by: Cal Nov 17 2019, 12:45 PM

Purchased for $1M and than restored....that’s a lot of coin invested. I’d be interested to hear George’s comments regarding this.

Posted by: 914Sixer Nov 17 2019, 12:56 PM

Finding this interesting since the 916's were built using white body 914-4 according to what I have read.

Posted by: Sm914650 Nov 17 2019, 12:58 PM

Yeah, thats it. Got to see her when they were finishing up during a tour through the Shop the week of Car Week.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Nov 17 2019, 01:00 PM

Gotta love those flippers...new hammer price no doubt to go beyond the stratosphere

Posted by: mepstein Nov 17 2019, 01:13 PM

I’m confused. It was just restored, assembled and sold at auction. Is it getting redone?

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 17 2019, 01:28 PM

prototype

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 17 2019, 01:32 PM

Yep, Brutus is getting redone. Saw it two nights ago as photographed above. It's freshly stripped of all parts—not yet in new paint, as noted in the IG post.

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 17 2019, 02:00 PM

might need a bit more work....hand brake indentation ??
I Know the left rear got a big rebuild....
not the first resto that need a redo, that auctioned for $$$ @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=453


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Posted by: mepstein Nov 17 2019, 02:19 PM

Funny, if you read through George’s story of the last rebuild it talked about meticulous and perfect restoration, only the best, engine specialists, etc.

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 17 2019, 02:29 PM

popcorn

Posted by: burton73 Nov 17 2019, 03:37 PM

Bob B

Posted by: Steve Nov 17 2019, 03:47 PM

When it was at the shades event, there was a bunch of stuff wrong with it. Lots of poor fitting parts. i.e. bumpers, trim, seals, etc. Funny, but there were several people nit picking what was wrong with it. At the event they said they were going to take it apart and redo it.

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Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 17 2019, 05:02 PM

What?

Posted by: SirAndy Nov 17 2019, 05:05 PM

Posted by: gms Nov 17 2019, 06:28 PM

That is false, they have 1971 914/6 karmann body numbers

Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 17 2019, 06:53 PM

Who bought it at auction? george was seller or sellers rep? $1M even to include buyer's premium? It will look nice roped off in a museum. Should put a see through floor under the display.

Posted by: 914Sixer Nov 17 2019, 07:38 PM

Bodies were in white (ivory). Please read. This is from the 50 Years Porsche 914 page 107. Explains how cars were to be painted.


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Posted by: rgalla9146 Nov 17 2019, 08:07 PM

I don't understand the comparison photos of the handbrake recess.
what's the issue ?
The antenna hole is on the wrong fender.
Didn't 916 have the antenna in the windshield ?

Posted by: Chi-town Nov 17 2019, 09:08 PM

It's been at Canepa since shortly after it was purchased. I spotted it in one of their IG stories a few months back.

Posted by: mepstein Nov 17 2019, 09:12 PM

I read they were all bodies in white but Brutus.
Brutus is indeed a prototype, as it started as a 914-6, had a 914-6 serial number, and was made into a 916 by the factory, and never sold new by Porsche"

Posted by: gms Nov 17 2019, 09:27 PM

this memo makes it very clear which chassis the first five 916s used and they are 1971 914/6 production numbers

Posted by: gms Nov 17 2019, 09:39 PM

here is the page I was looking for:
The test requires 10 vehicles type 914/6
The bodies are to be delivered by Karmann in the following version
color light ivory
interior leatherskin black

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 17 2019, 10:29 PM

its supposed be like the yellow impression...73 later had the bigger one

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 17 2019, 10:49 PM

So which one is this? Are there three, or is it the same as the yellow one?




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Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 18 2019, 12:23 AM

Red 914 pic. is 73 and later....the yellow pic is what Brutus should have..70-72,, although there could be a early 73 with the 70-72 indent..
RD sells this one , with early indentation;;;




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Posted by: gulf908 Nov 18 2019, 03:08 AM

so why didn't Porsche buy it before it was restored the first time ?
you would have imagined a car of this significance should have come to their attention through the 914 grapevine
it would have been a nice addition to their 914 50th celebrations in June

cheers
Dennis

Posted by: falcor75 Nov 18 2019, 04:19 AM

Buying back an old expensive 914 would only make sense if they intended to make further use of the 914 name which they apparently do not with the introduction of the 718.

Posted by: rgalla9146 Nov 18 2019, 07:14 AM

oooooh, excellent observation !

Posted by: 914Sixer Nov 18 2019, 07:21 AM

I stand corrected, thanks Glen.

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Posted by: sb914 Nov 18 2019, 08:12 AM

couple more .

Posted by: sb914 Nov 18 2019, 08:16 AM

I want those gauges!

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 18 2019, 11:46 AM

Well, at least something besides the side-shift transmission on my '73 is '73—literally everything else I have come across is 1972...doors, windows, top, rain tray, headlight switch, and a bunch of other stuff is all 1972 gear. 4732900193

What I am not getting is it looks like there are three indentations? Mine, the yellow one, and the one in Brutus (which looks like the RD piece?).

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 18 2019, 12:28 PM

Looks Like it does look suspicious to me..


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Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Nov 18 2019, 01:04 PM

The Brutus indent doesn't look like either of the others to me. It's not as angular as the late one or as short as the early one.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 18 2019, 02:08 PM

^ That's what I meant. Black one seems to have similar shape to yellow but definitely dips a lot lower.

Didn't know there were two versions, let alone three. Not sure I care all that much, or would be bothered to change a longitudinal to address it (assuming nothing else wrong), but that's probably why I am not into concours.

I do find it interesting, however. Wonder why the RD longs are shaped differently than either of the factory longs?


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Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 18 2019, 04:09 PM

For a 1 million dollar 914...Id be caring, since it got tore apart for like reasons..

its was no trailer queen..its been used and stuffed away...rescued and flipped..

Posted by: mepstein Nov 18 2019, 04:29 PM

Who did the previous metalwork, bodywork and paint?

Posted by: burton73 Nov 18 2019, 04:42 PM

George, Hop on in and tell us what the story is please.

Bob B

Posted by: rgalla9146 Nov 18 2019, 06:18 PM

Posted by: pete000 Nov 18 2019, 06:48 PM

Wasnt it restored at AA ?

Posted by: Superhawk996 Nov 19 2019, 05:51 AM

I love that even a $1M car still has rust! Won't after it leave Canepa's.

I'm sort of torn on this. Too many cars are over restored IMHO. But rust never sleeps and it might be hard to sleep at night knowing the tin worms are eating your $1M toy.

Oh, the horror!

Canepa's is amazing and when it leaves it will be better than it was they day it came off the boat but it will still likely have some tin worm infestation even if only between the sheetmetal flanges where various panels come together for spot welding. I'd be curious to see what Canepa's does to address the hidden and/or inaccessible rust.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 19 2019, 04:03 PM

Kirk at Automotivation did this car for the customer and we reassembled.

NOW the new customer who purchased it, wants it the original dark blue with the elephant hide interior and the original stripes, so has taken it completely apart to change it to this.

The problem is is that the car has been so many different things, that the only original state the car was in at any time was as a black 1971 stock 914-6.

When someone has all of the money in the world, what they want is what they want! Too bad, Kirk did a great job on a car that was absolutely through the mill with rust and wreck. Makes our silver car look like a virgin (which it is not because it was made at the Porsche racing shop!

(I hope that they get every screw in its proper place as Steve and William did!)

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 19 2019, 04:08 PM

Thanks for the perspective, and correctness..
I think it will be Cool going back to Blue/stripes
are these pics correct ?


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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 19 2019, 04:25 PM

correct for one period in its life. dark dark blue with those stripes

My question is "where are they going to get the elephant hide?"

Posted by: burton73 Nov 19 2019, 05:00 PM

George- "My question is "where are they going to get the elephant hide?"



http://store.rojeleather.com/who-we-are/#

http://www.exotic-skin.com/species/elephant-leather/

It is not Ivory. Thanks for answering


Bob B

Posted by: Larmo63 Nov 19 2019, 05:19 PM

The car looked good at the Rare Shades event a while back.

But, at some point, is it even a car? Is it a collector's item? Art? A Golden Calf?

Will they even drive the thing?

Any hint as to who the new owner is?

Posted by: bandjoey Nov 19 2019, 05:28 PM

It's their money but the blue/yellow is IMHO

Posted by: SKL1 Nov 20 2019, 10:28 PM

I didn't think it looked that bad when I saw it at Rare Shades but I didn't climb all over it... in all honesty I thought the "Brutus" lettering was a little tacky.

Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 20 2019, 11:35 PM

Maybe the stripes would've looked better in person. tire to wheelwell illusion. Yuck.

Posted by: gulf908 Nov 21 2019, 12:00 AM

this is how I saw the car in November 1974 and still love it that way
its one of a kind and all the better for that !
the pinstriping and badges were the 1970s after all !
did anyone complain about the blue/yellow paint jobs on Penske's Sunoco Lolas of the late 1960s ?

cheers
Dennis


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Posted by: Steve Nov 21 2019, 08:09 AM

I’m not an expert, but the only things I noticed was the rubber trim around the metal top. I could tell they did the best they could with what they had, since this weather stripping is unobtainable. There was also a gap on the top of the rear fiberglass bumper.
I don’t know how you could fix that without damaging the one of a kind bumper.

Posted by: bkrantz Nov 21 2019, 09:42 PM

Pardon for going off topic, but how many 914s have cracks below the indentation? Were they created during stamping?


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Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 21 2019, 09:46 PM

most 73 and later, bad revision

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Nov 22 2019, 12:24 AM

A lot of them...if not all of them. McMark TM'd it.

Posted by: burton73 Nov 22 2019, 12:28 PM

No one said this, or did they

Et tu, Brute? [ (et tooh brooh-tay) ] A Latin sentence meaning “Even you, Brutus?” from the play Julius Caesar, by William Shakespeare. Caesar utters these words as he is being stabbed to death, having recognized his friend Brutus among the assassins.


Bob B

Posted by: mepstein Nov 22 2019, 03:32 PM

On the high end restorations, the unobtanium parts are reproduced, one of a kind parts are repaired. There are places that our shop uses that will make or remake anything. It’s just a matter of writing the check.

Posted by: larryM Nov 24 2019, 03:11 PM

pictures from at-factory resto that gms posted long time back

Posted by: Racer Nov 25 2019, 08:09 AM

Sometimes its EGO and name dropping too.. restored by "AA" or restored by "Canapa"
Besides, if you can afford a million dollar car, surely you can afford to have it re-restored too.

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 25 2019, 11:03 AM

I believe this is Brutus..


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Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 26 2019, 10:31 AM

Brutus was certainly a 914 that was 'through the mill" and if any other 914 would have been scrap.

Posted by: Bleyseng Nov 26 2019, 12:11 PM

Do tell! What is the history of the car??

Posted by: speedy914 Nov 26 2019, 09:05 PM

Not Brutus (unless they put 4 bolts hubs on car during restoration)

Posted by: speedy914 Nov 26 2019, 09:07 PM

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/01/28/brutus-the-original-porsche-916-prototype-may-have-re-written-sports-car-history/

Posted by: SirAndy Nov 27 2019, 01:38 AM

Pretty common to just slap a /4 suspension under the chassis to roll it around the shop while restoring.

No need to get real /6 components and wheels all messed up while doing surgery ....

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 27 2019, 03:23 AM

Way more to the book than the cover....


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Posted by: Bleyseng Nov 27 2019, 12:05 PM

46,000 original miles and it had all that rust work done on it? Sheesh, must have been stored sitting on wet grass under a tree.
Some people treat their cars like shit....

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Nov 27 2019, 12:56 PM

this thing was a rusted many times wrecked may times color changed and interior changed vehicle. All we really know is that it started as a Black 71 914-6. At one time it had elephant hide in it. Corina Piech used it as here personal car, and changed interiors to match her current outfit. Tony Lapine finally got tired of redoing the interior so shut her down after this red striped one

Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 27 2019, 01:01 PM

Can't see those images Jeff.

Posted by: sixnotfour Nov 27 2019, 01:44 PM

I looked at a grey market 914-6 in 1978..it was rusty, i also had a euro 78 sc, it was rusty..


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Posted by: larryM Dec 1 2019, 03:10 PM

'way long ago in 2007 - "Jürgen Seyffert" a 914-6 sportomatic owner in Germany wrote me that there were almost no old 914's left there 'cuz they "use salt on the roads" -

(which is why the market for usa export shells to europe was lively)

same is pretty much true of any 914 or 911 or japan car of that era that lived & was driven routinely in the usa midwest or rust belt

the simple rust test for any porsche of the day was to put a jack into the lift point and see how badly the body deformed around the jack point -

914Ltd did a great biz in longitudinal "clamshells" for that

during my IA & KS & autobody days i worked on & saw LOTS of those flexible hulks - today many have been aka "restored" if they didn't go early to the junkyard

- in 1972 i briefly had a '67 911 that deformed that way (it had lived as a daily-driver on the Chicago-Milwaukee milk run) - it was a "fast car" that i got rid of fast

- plenty of pics on this site of similar "rustoration" 914's over the last 10 yrs that require large checkbooks or understanding spouses

. . . . time was, the only old porsche worth considering to buy was one that had a documented life in CA-AZ-et al

i personally junked out two 914-6's of that ilk - both VINs are in the database (allegedly one is now on another chassis)

. pic: this Oregon car's entire floor pan was rusted out & i cut the car into pieces; & later i acquired a similar one in NV that came from AK with new floor pans in boxes (it actually ran, & got sold as a "project" for the ebay price of the parts) - "rustoration" 'way beyond my teacher's paycheck

Posted by: twistedstang Jan 5 2022, 05:25 PM

Ooops

Posted by: jkb081 Jan 5 2022, 06:11 PM

looks great from here!! Is that a tribute to Brutus? Well done.

Posted by: jkb081 Jan 5 2022, 06:22 PM

I believe that was original. The dash should have the name Corina, the women it was built for.

Posted by: wndsrfr Jan 5 2022, 08:57 PM

Take a close look at the photo in post #36....does look like Corina on the glove box lid.....