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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 01:59 AM

Brad and crew got my 20+ year old Jaide conversion resurrected a couple of years ago but I couldn't leave well enough alone. A fellow V8 converter sold me his built 400hp engine before Christmas and I thought I could get it installed by the April's WCC05 by merely replacing the clutch and rebuilding the old http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=22542&hl=carb. The KEP clutch turned into a fiasco so I decided to buy an all new Renegade kit (less the engine and tranny mounts) besides I already had their great radiator. Bill P gave me some v-belt parts since he was going serpentine and Renegade gave me a nice deal on the w/p for supporting them over the years. Well I come to find this is not a week-end bolt-in so here are my woes and triumphs…

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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 02:08 AM

Which brings me to my "July" issues...

1. Per Scott's instructions, I rotated the water pump to point the 1 1/4' inlet outward but now locates one of the 1" fittings under the head, not like in their online instruction picture. Why is mine "special"?


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 02:11 AM

Notice how "wide" the Jaide engine mount is? Here's Bill "narrow" Renegade bar for comparison.


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 02:13 AM

2. that hose inlet to xbar is CLOSE...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 02:16 AM

3. My slick Polyurethane engine mounts are "short", you might be able to see the bottom bolt is ~1/4" from the engine boss. Hope the guys at Speed Merchant will exchange these purchased months ago...


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Posted by: skline Jul 3 2005, 07:11 AM

Felix, this is going to sound too easy but, the 1.25 inlet can turn around without having to turn the WP. Remove the WP and install it the way you need it and turn just the inlet around.

Get that car on the road!!

Posted by: nine14cats Jul 3 2005, 08:43 AM

Hi Felix,

Your pump location is very similar to mine. I'm going out to breakfast with the family in a few minutes, but I'll shoot pics when I get back.

Hey...your car isn't the only special car....JLO has "special" parts, and so does THE BEAST.....I thought all 914's are "special"...

I'll post some pics in an hour or so...

Bill P.

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (skline @ Jul 3 2005, 05:11 AM)

Felix, this is going to sound too easy but, the 1.25 inlet can turn around without having to turn the WP. Remove the WP and install it the way you need it and turn just the inlet around. Get that car on the road!!

Scott,

The problem is it only rotates 180 degrees because RH uses a tstat housing... I can point it up or down.

My Simpson fitting screwed in so you could position 360 degrees...

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (nine14cats @ Jul 3 2005, 06:43 AM)

Hi Felix, Your pump location is very similar to mine. I'm going out to breakfast with the family in a few minutes, but I'll shoot pics when I get back. Hey...your car isn't the only special car....JLO has "special" parts, and so does THE BEAST.....I thought all 914's are "special"... I'll post some pics in an hour or so... Bill P.

Bill,

My concern is the short hose has to make virtually a right angle to the outlet under the head.

I'm dropping by MikeP's at 10:30 and we are going to visit Chris Julian. Call me if you want/can come.

If not, I was planning on dropping off some $ to you later...

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 3 2005, 01:29 PM

That sucks.....

Hopefully you guys have fun at Chris's! post some pics if you took any... I want to see some progress!

Posted by: avendlerdp Jul 3 2005, 03:17 PM

For that t-stat housing check Summit Racing's site. There are a dozen options including one that pivots to any angle and some that have 0 degrees of rise. I am sure you can get a fit.

Alex

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 03:41 PM

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Jul 3 2005, 11:29 AM)

That sucks..... Hopefully you guys have fun at Chris's! post some pics if you took any... I want to see some progress!

I'll dig up Chris' thread and post...

Posted by: nine14cats Jul 3 2005, 04:49 PM

Felix,

Here's a few shots of my RH setup from the RH "factory". You can clearly see the hose is kinked and will need straightening. Also, the last shot shows how close to the block the bend goes.

Bill P.


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Posted by: nine14cats Jul 3 2005, 04:49 PM

water pump


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Posted by: nine14cats Jul 3 2005, 04:49 PM

#2


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Posted by: nine14cats Jul 3 2005, 04:50 PM

water pump #3


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Posted by: nine14cats Jul 3 2005, 04:50 PM

WP#4


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 05:05 PM

Bill, that hose goes ~300 degrees around the pump! I may try to find some tstat housings at Summit...

BTW, let me know if you need sketches of graphics you are thinking of for your race car...

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 05:08 PM

I'm liking AN fittings like on Chris' car...


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Posted by: nine14cats Jul 3 2005, 05:08 PM

I asked Mike about the routing of the hose. He said it is to minimize kinks with soft radius bends.

Let me know what you come up with on the t-stat housings.....

I'm gonna go stare at the hoses again....

Bill P.

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2005, 05:40 PM

Bill,

Found this 360 degree swivel thermostat housing: CSR Performance Products CSI-912C at Summit


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 4 2005, 11:05 AM

Well some progress. Assembled everything to fit but had to use washers under the brackets that Scott did not recommend. Maybe I do need to use the supplied balancer spacer even with the gear drive thickness. I don't like that the balancer will not have much collar on the crankshaft and it will be 1/4" closer to the firewall.


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 4 2005, 11:12 AM

To make my Jaide engine cross bar fit, I used my dirty 20+ year old engine mounts. I could be wrong but it seemed all my old Jaide parts fit nicely the first time. I assembled it on a couple weekends while I was in school. 20+ years later these "highly developed" Renegade parts need modifying, component matching, etc. I guess this is the "fun" part.

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 4 2005, 11:18 AM

Still have the w/p inlet pointing up or down into the engine mount. The tstat inlets are usually 1 1/2" and this is 1 1/4". Alot have o-rings too so the search will continue at Speed Merchant and more FLAPS tomorrow...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 4 2005, 07:11 PM

Ok, test rotated the water pump like Bills with one hose going all around the outside of the pump.


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 4 2005, 07:12 PM

w/p inlet is okay but the fitting is right up to the engine block. I can swing the pump away from the block but then the Renegade specified belt is too short...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 9 2005, 12:46 PM

plastic 1" are in right orientation but the inlet is not.


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Posted by: Dr. Roger Jul 9 2005, 01:04 PM

Hey hey, Felix! Looking good.

We are kinda' in the same part of our projects. Hope we both make it to the V8 gathering with both of our running teens!!!! =-))))))

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 9 2005, 01:05 PM

Found a swivel chrome tstat housing for $24 at Speed Merchant and a 1 1/2" to 1 1/4" reducing hose, thanks for the idea Alex. Still tight but "fits" in the right orientation. On to the clutch...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 9 2005, 01:08 PM

Swapped my 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" lines under the car, nice work Brad crew. Heavy duty brackets and in two sizes so I had to swap those too. The Simpson pump was on the right and the Renegade is on the left. guess they want to be somewhat "different".

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 9 2005, 01:12 PM

QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Jul 9 2005, 11:04 AM)

Hey hey, Felix! Looking good. We are kinda' in the same part of our projects. Hope we both make it to the V8 gathering with both of our running teens!!!! =-)))))) Keep up the good work.

Yep, now I'm shooting for the Speed Merchant July 12 street rod meet! The electric fuel pump may take some time but we'll see...

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jul 24 2005, 10:19 AM

Felix,


Quit screwing with those HID lights and get 'er running first!!!! =-))))

You're as bad as I am when I'm loosing motivation. Call someone to lend some hands or moral support. That's what I did and it's been great.

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 24 2005, 11:48 AM

Thanks Roger so far you are my only motivation.

Well, I took off the lid and haven't decided where to put the fuel pump - under tank or in front trunk. Even if I put it in the trunk, I'm sure I have to remove the tank to attach the lines. Besides I need to install the 22mm Welt bar in there. The worms keep coming...

Family members keep flying in expecting me to spend time with them. What's up with that?

Posted by: Dr. Roger Jul 24 2005, 01:08 PM

That's ironic,

My g-friends mom is in town for a month visiting from Mexico City...

Ayyyyyy ayyyyy, ay ayyyyyyyyyyy... =-)

Now I get to REALLY brush up on my espanol.


I'm mounting my electric pump near the engine 'cuz that 30 Y.O. shit fuel line probably won't take the pressure... LOL Plus yanking that tank again is a waist of my time. Valuable, "get'er done" time.

I've met very few "good" excuses........ Granted, family is a good one.

Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 19 2005, 11:54 PM

Well got back to the dirty work in the engine bay. Replaced my stock brake balancer with a Tee from Adam (3liter914-6) Thanks! Also installed billet Optima mount.

next up, install :
clutch, tranny
electric fuel pump
22mm sway bar
exhaust
carb, tune
headers

Ok, that's it...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Nov 27 2005, 10:26 PM

Drilled the holes for my front 22mm Weltmeister, just awaiting new bushings from Automotion to assemble. What a pain cutting the metal to clear the bracket with just a angle grinder and metal shear! A dremel would have been real handy.

Are washers needed on the droplinks since they slide within the width of the U tabs?

I will bring my tank to a rad shop this week to boil it out and maybe have them solder the small return line before reinstallation.

Got the fittings for my Holley fuel pump and regulator, just need to mount and connect them. Does anyone know how to adjust the regulator?

I removed the baffle from other header, what a job. That took alot of grinding, drilling, , and

Still have to pick up new Borlas from MikeP but I can see a small light at the end of the tunnel. Half the battle is motivating myself to begin work...


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Posted by: messix Nov 27 2005, 11:00 PM

you will need to have a fuel pressure gauge fitted to the output of the reg. temparary or permanent . and adjust to 4-5 psi for a carb. then verify your float level in the carb. this makes a big difference in the carb running rich or lean under all conditions ie: idle, power, part throttle.

Posted by: marks914 Nov 29 2005, 11:07 AM

You can use a swivel t stat housing to point your hose anywhere you want on the water pump. I think Mr. Gasket has them.

Mark

Posted by: neo914-6 Nov 30 2005, 02:36 AM

QUOTE (marks914 @ Nov 29 2005, 09:07 AM)

You can use a swivel t stat housing to point your hose anywhere you want on the water pump.  I think Mr. Gasket has them. Mark

Mark,

It's hard to see but I do have the swivel tstat housing. I was told that Meiziere has one 1 1/4" but this set up should work.

Anyone know why these bushings from Weltmeister have a shoulder when the originals were straight?


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Posted by: neo914-6 Dec 29 2005, 02:06 AM

Monthly update:

Got the bar in but don't know where to set the down link on the horizontal bar.


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Posted by: neo914-6 Dec 29 2005, 02:09 AM

Also, do I leave the space in the u-tab on both sides of the drop link or add spacers/washers?


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Posted by: Crazyhippy Dec 29 2005, 12:48 PM

QUOTE (neo914-6 @ Dec 29 2005, 12:09 AM)

Also, do I leave the space in the u-tab on both sides of the drop link or add spacers/washers?

You need that lower Heim Joint to be able to move, so dont just stack washers... they make special cone shaped washers for exactly that reason.

As far as the horizontal bar goes, set them the same on both sides, the are adjustable so you can increase or decrease the amount of force transfered. Closer to the end is weaker, closer to the bar is stronger

Posted by: neo914-6 Dec 29 2005, 03:04 PM

QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Dec 29 2005, 10:48 AM)

they make special cone shaped washers for exactly that reason.

Where do you get these?

Thanks!

Posted by: sj914 Dec 29 2005, 04:11 PM

Their called rod end spacers.

Herehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-WIDE-STEEL-TAPER-SPACERS-ROD-END_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33583QQitemZ8022380855QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

Posted by: neo914-6 Dec 29 2005, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (sj914 @ Dec 29 2005, 02:11 PM)

Their called rod end spacers. Herehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-WIDE-STEEL-TAPER-SPACERS-ROD-END_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33583QQitemZ8022380855QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

$8 shipping for $2 parts...

Posted by: sj914 Dec 29 2005, 05:31 PM

You could try a shop that does suspension work.

here's another http://www.midwestcontrol.com/catdisplay_short.php?pg=228

Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Dec 29 2005, 06:29 PM

Great link thanks....................

Bob

Posted by: Terryst1 Jan 1 2006, 07:55 PM

Hi Felix:

I was cruising the site and wanted to offer some suggestions based on my experience. 4 years ago, I met Scottie at PorscheFest and was BITTEN to do
a 914 conversion car. It is done and has been running for about 2 years: 500HP 383, 930 trans, rollcage, big Willwood brakes, full suspension mods. It is a HOOT
to out-drag Corvettes on the straights and terrorize them in the corners. I started with with idea of going to Scottie, but quickly learned that he was not a reliable source. I don't trust him and he knows it!

Suggestions:

-The first thing is to GET RID of Scotties cheap plastic 90s in the cooling system. They were NEVER designed to work in an automotive application and when I pulled them from a friends car, found that the threaded part had COLLAPSED from
heat and tightening pressure. On my car I chased around until I found BRASS parts that will cost about $12 ea, but will last.

-If you are getting help from Brad "all914.com", HE IS THE EXPERT and is absolutely honest! Follow his suggestions.

-The RH engine cross-bar is JUNK and it is easy to see that they BEND with the car sitting dead in the driveway. I made my own out of 2" X 2" and made it a structural part of the car. Your engine mount looks good and should do the job for your application.

-Go for the t-stat housing as already suggested that allows the neck to rotate to any angle. It has 2 parts a base plate and a neck free to rotate. If not Summit, they are cheap on e-bay.

-With 400 HP, you may be OK on the cooling side. However, it you have troubles keeping the car cool, I would recommend going 1-1/4" with ALL cooling hoses.
My bud is a graduate mechanical engineer and taught me that most efficient cooling occurs when the water flows at the HIGHEST RATE. This is science, don't listen to Scottie back-yard nonsense.

Question: How goes Chris Julian's car? Has he fixed the huge oiling problem he had a while back when he was down south here for the annual 914 gathering.

BTW: smoothing driving (especially shifting) as you did in you slalom video should
keep that 901 trans living a good while. It seems that they will take a 400 HP engine (actually the issue is TORQUE) if driven carefully.

Best of luck,

Terry

Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 1 2006, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Terryst1 @ Jan 1 2006, 05:55 PM)

Question: How goes Chris Julian's car? Has he fixed the huge oiling problem he had a while back when he was down south here for the annual 914 gathering. Best of luck, Terry

Terry,

Good to hear from you, I "think" I have most of the issues solved but I will revisit the use of the plastic elbows.

As you know Chris doesn't do things halfway so he plunked down huge coin to completely rebuilt his engine to modern specs and at least 500hp. He even followed your advise on the cross-over headers. He is close to re-installing the engine but has not done so yet. His new company has absorbed most of his time and doesn't even check this bbs much anymore. Let me know if you're ever in the SF Bay Area...

Keep in touch!

Posted by: Crazyhippy Jan 1 2006, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (Terryst1 @ Jan 1 2006, 05:55 PM)

Hi Felix: I was cruising the site and wanted to offer some suggestions based on my experience. 4 years ago, I met Scottie at PorscheFest and was BITTEN to do a 914 conversion car. It is done and has been running for about 2 years: 500HP 383, 930 trans, rollcage, big Willwood brakes, full suspension mods. It is a HOOT to out-drag Corvettes on the straights and terrorize them in the corners. I started with with idea of going to Scottie, but quickly learned that he was not a reliable source. I don't trust him and he knows it! Suggestions: -The first thing is to GET RID of Scotties cheap plastic 90s in the cooling system. They were NEVER designed to work in an automotive application and when I pulled them from a friends car, found that the threaded part had COLLAPSED from heat and tightening pressure. On my car I chased around until I found BRASS parts that will cost about $12 ea, but will last. -If you are getting help from Brad "all914.com", HE IS THE EXPERT and is absolutely honest! Follow his suggestions. -The RH engine cross-bar is JUNK and it is easy to see that they BEND with the car sitting dead in the driveway. I made my own out of 2" X 2" and made it a structural part of the car. Your engine mount looks good and should do the job for your application. -Go for the t-stat housing as already suggested that allows the neck to rotate to any angle. It has 2 parts a base plate and a neck free to rotate. If not Summit, they are cheap on e-bay. -With 400 HP, you may be OK on the cooling side. However, it you have troubles keeping the car cool, I would recommend going 1-1/4" with ALL cooling hoses. My bud is a graduate mechanical engineer and taught me that most efficient cooling occurs when the water flows at the HIGHEST RATE. This is science, don't listen to Scottie back-yard nonsense. Question: How goes Chris Julian's car? Has he fixed the huge oiling problem he had a while back when he was down south here for the annual 914 gathering. BTW: smoothing driving (especially shifting) as you did in you slalom video should keep that 901 trans living a good while. It seems that they will take a 400 HP engine (actually the issue is TORQUE) if driven carefully. Best of luck, Terry

HUH???

I appologise in advance for the impending highjack of your thread, but miss information, and blatant lies should not be given the oportunity to propigate

- The "Plastic" fittings were designed by a Major Automotive Manufactur, they are made of the same material as the intake manifold (which has coolant runnning through it) on the Chevy LS1. The threads on yours stripped because they are pipe threads (tapered) and you are not smart enough to stop torquing on the fitting when it's tight. I have personally torqued a hose clamp onto the fittings while hot from boiling water, and witnessed no observable defflection.
Nothing wrong w/ using brass fittings, but be sure they aren't necked down inside, which will kill the flow. And dont over tighten them, or you will be bitching about the aluminum mounts not being strong enough

- All914.com does not exist. Brad is a fairly active member of this board. Great guy, no argument. He is THE guy to talk to for set-up, suspension stuff etc. Last i heard, he is not in the conversion buisness however. It's kinda like asking your dentist to take a look at your broken hand... Better than most, but he will refer you to an expert.

- Bull The RH mount has over twice the torsional ridgity of the factory mount. If you want to make a heavier one... more power to you, but dont try to blow smoke over it.

- The RH mount works just fine w/ the RH Water pump inlet, the problems arise when people try to use their own motor mount bar. The rotating inlet is a good solution.

- There is a guarantee behind the "backyard nonsense" It is Guaranteed to work. According to your friend with no real world experiance, you should also remove the thermostat, as the water will be flowing faster, but it is well documented that Chevy small blocks overheat without a thermostat The Chevy Motor must have never met your friend

In conclusion, if you have a problem w/ Scott, that's fine, just dont try to make up defficancies with his product to cover up your own agenda

Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 1 2006, 09:54 PM

Got the pump in but my isolators are too loose in the side mount. I may go ahead and mount them solid and of course I need to move it to the right to take the kinks out.

Found out the fuel line in the tunnel is metal, thanks Brad and crew...

There are no limits to individual experience and opinions.



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Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Jan 1 2006, 10:18 PM

Wrong on that one Crazyhippy no coolant flows thru the plastic Intake on the genIII (LS1/LS7)engines.

A better example would be almost all of the newer cars have radiator tanks made of the fiber reinforced plastic.

The plastic fittings I've seen used with the Renegade kit are or were made by Gann. May be wrong but they are maded for the piping of natural gas.

Bob

Posted by: Crazyhippy Jan 2 2006, 01:04 PM

I stand corrected... mind was tweaked, coolant does not run through the intake on an LS1 (unless you try to run Far too much nitrous... then coolant runs through lots of things Poured coolant out of the intake on a friends car )

The radiator end caps work just fine.

I dont think they allow at gas to be run through rubber hose, so i doubt these fittings were designed for this.

If you have a spare, clamp a piece of hose to it w/ a normal clamp. and drop it into a pot of boiling water. In 5, 10, 30 minutes remove it, let it cool, remove the clamp and hose, and there is no Visible distortion

I've tried it. It works.

Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 10 2006, 12:51 AM

Finally finished the installation of the fuel pump. Had to get different size grommets because the 1" were just loose enough to slip out. The vibration isolators didn't hold the pump from the side so I used some plastic bushings. Soldered on a connector. Drilled new holes to relocate the pump. Changed the bolts 3 times, sheesh all this eats so much time...





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Posted by: neo914-6 Feb 24 2006, 02:14 AM

had to clean up in front of the garage getting rid of a couple of engines and my wife's attachment to her first car.

At least the engine is off the stand and I've started to assemble things. Cut an aluminum dust shield, installed the pilot bearing (hope the pounding didn't mess up the crank) , fit the adapter plate...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Feb 24 2006, 02:14 AM

dirty tranny...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Feb 24 2006, 02:19 AM

clean tranny...


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Posted by: Andyrew Feb 24 2006, 02:33 AM

901 spare? or Jaide trani?

Glad your making progress on your car!

Im considering cutting up those headers you gave me and make it so I can bend exhaust up the axles.. I need the extra space up there to run my magnaflows so I can cross them by my trani and run a rice muffler as a side exhaust per side....btw, got my mig... Ye haw!!

let me know if you got any progress on that trani thing... I wont have any money till after the wcc.. ( need to pm you about that to...) but I think its possible for me..


keep workin on that thing! You'll get it done!

Posted by: neo914-6 Mar 26 2006, 09:45 PM

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Feb 24 2006, 12:33 AM)

901 spare? or Jaide trani? Glad your making progress on your car! Im considering cutting up those headers you gave me and make it so I can bend exhaust up the axles.. I need the extra space up there to run my magnaflows so I can cross them by my trani and run a rice muffler as a side exhaust per side....btw, got my mig... Ye haw!! let me know if you got any progress on that trani thing... I wont have any money till after the wcc.. ( need to pm you about that to...) but I think its possible for me.. keep workin on that thing! You'll get it done!

same "bitchin" tall geared 901...Can't seem to get a quote from UK on the Renault or Derick's re-geared Audi. Guess the GT40 guys don't want to share the love...

Gas tank is in and 914 is OFF the jackstands!

Just need to hook up everything and get power to the fuel pump...

I'm havin a

Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 2 2006, 01:07 AM

I expected to use a hammer on the firewall for valve cover clearance but the w/p hose is also compressed between the head. Too tight for comfort!


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Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 2 2006, 01:12 AM

The fab'd transmission mount ala Brad N Crew won't work with the Jaide bracket since it's not positioned as far back. I was hoping another bolt hole could be drilled further back but it is about where the rear vertical face is.


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Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 2 2006, 01:13 AM

Looks like I will need to shorten this...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 2 2006, 01:15 AM

Or buy a Renegade adapters and sport trans mount (don't have them), anyone have spares???


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Posted by: Andyrew Apr 2 2006, 04:53 AM

You could just make that piece... solid aluminum. drill two holes... be done.

Steel would work as well obviously..

Posted by: turbo914v8 Apr 2 2006, 10:11 AM

I have a set of the Renegade adapters PM me if you’re interested.

Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 14 2006, 01:45 AM

I clearance for the tall valve covers (this wasn't necessary for the 283) but still have the hose pinched between the firewall and back of the head. Got some good advise from the Bird Board about loosening the drivetrain mounts and pushing it back. Another is to lower the drivetrain since there's more clearance. Reclocking the water pump is not gonna happen or help (I believe) or lengthening the hose to route over the head...

I will more if need be.


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Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 14 2006, 01:48 AM

Forgot to mention, Remil (sj914) came by with some transmission brackets. A few trips to OSH for Grade 8 bolts and they fit perfectly. Now to test the shifter bar I borrowed from Mark (Mar7ck)


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Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 14 2006, 01:51 AM

Found a nice small PSI gauge, mounted the regulator...


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Posted by: sj914 Apr 14 2006, 01:53 AM

Glad they worked for you.

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 3 2006, 09:34 PM

Borlas Baby!

I am soooo close to fire up. BBQ's are killing me...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 20 2006, 01:32 AM

A few issues to resolve before it can be driven but it fires up!!! I probably woke up half the neighborhood. I left a message with Harry firing it up, he's been calling me almost every day for updates.

Just over a year ago my friend John helped me clear the garage to begin this resurrection. New Renegade kit, new (to me) full Edelbrock 400hp 350, and alot of relearning what I had basically done over 20 years ago with the Jaide kit and 283. The Renegade kit should have only take me a few weekends to bolt in, yeah right! John held the fire extinguisher and witnessed the event.


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Posted by: Dr. Roger Jul 20 2006, 02:13 AM

geez, i was just getting ready to crash and i noticed this guy, who's been working on his V8 914 for 20 years FINALLY got his running.

LOL

Right on Felix!!!!

remember to tighten your spark plugs.... tonight i just found 3 that were loose in mine.... LOL

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 20 2006, 02:51 AM

Dude, it ran for all of it's life it would just overheat. In 2003, Brad's crew fixed that by installing a RH radiator amongst other things. I drove it to WCC04 and xcross (except the run to Laguna when a hose blew) and began the resurrection last year.

I'll be happy to get garage space for neo914...

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 29 2006, 10:56 PM

RESURRECTION!!!!!

The beast has awaken with 400hp...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 29 2006, 10:59 PM

Shifter needs adjusting (modifying) and engine needs tuning but it's nice to have it off the jackstands and running on it's own power...


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Posted by: nocones Jul 29 2006, 11:15 PM

Sweet!!!
Congratulations Felix.
Now if I could only put mine back on the road, I might see you at one of those conversion meets.

Posted by: jonwatts Jul 30 2006, 12:22 AM

Awesome! Great to see

Where's the "For Sale" sign?

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 30 2006, 02:35 AM

Awesome!!!

Get it adjusted!!!!

Next meets at my house (hehe)

Posted by: plymouth37 Jul 30 2006, 11:06 AM

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HUH???

I appologise in advance for the impending highjack of your thread, but miss information, and blatant lies should not be given the oportunity to propigate

- The "Plastic" fittings were designed by a Major Automotive Manufactur, they are made of the same material as the intake manifold (which has coolant runnning through it) on the Chevy LS1. The threads on yours stripped because they are pipe threads (tapered) and you are not smart enough to stop torquing on the fitting when it's tight. I have personally torqued a hose clamp onto the fittings while hot from boiling water, and witnessed no observable defflection.
Nothing wrong w/ using brass fittings, but be sure they aren't necked down inside, which will kill the flow. And dont over tighten them, or you will be bitching about the aluminum mounts not being strong enough

- All914.com does not exist. Brad is a fairly active member of this board. Great guy, no argument. He is THE guy to talk to for set-up, suspension stuff etc. Last i heard, he is not in the conversion buisness however. It's kinda like asking your dentist to take a look at your broken hand... Better than most, but he will refer you to an expert.

- Bull The RH mount has over twice the torsional ridgity of the factory mount. If you want to make a heavier one... more power to you, but dont try to blow smoke over it.

- The RH mount works just fine w/ the RH Water pump inlet, the problems arise when people try to use their own motor mount bar. The rotating inlet is a good solution.

- There is a guarantee behind the "backyard nonsense" It is Guaranteed to work. According to your friend with no real world experiance, you should also remove the thermostat, as the water will be flowing faster, but it is well documented that Chevy small blocks overheat without a thermostat The Chevy Motor must have never met your friend

In conclusion, if you have a problem w/ Scott, that's fine, just dont try to make up defficancies with his product to cover up your own agenda
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I have installed dozens of these kits and never had any of the problems mentioned above. P.S. if you can't get that hose to make a corner why don't you just install an aluminum elbow to make the turn?

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 30 2006, 12:03 PM

Dana,

That was BJ's response to Terry who has a 500hp track 914, not your typical conversion or builder. I appreciate your experience but suspect most conversions are done maybe once or twice in a lifetime by people of various mechanical abilities. I replaced my old Jaide kit with RH because I believe (still) that it is currently the best on the market. I emailed and phoned Scott and Mike but there are limits to that form of communication. I still believe better visual documenation is needed...

The w/p hose was solved, I replaced the Jaide with a RH engine bar to use the RH outlet and elbow.

The belt interference on top of the shifter coupling and barely clearing the top of the engine bar is still a problem. Some suggest it's the '70 chassis shift location at the firewall. I plan to extend the bar inside the tunned and use a stock bar from the firewall to the transaxle. Any suggestions?

Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 30 2006, 12:09 PM

Dana,

That was BJ's response to Terry who has a 500hp track 914, not your typical conversion or builder. I appreciate your experience but suspect most conversions are done maybe once or twice in a lifetime by people of various mechanical abilities. I replaced my old Jaide kit with RH because I believe (still) that it is currently the best on the market. I emailed and phoned Scott and Mike but there are limits to that form of communication. I still believe better visual documenation is needed...

The w/p hose was solved, I replaced the Jaide engine bar with RH bar, outlet, and elbow.

The belt interference on top of the shifter coupling and barely clearing the top of the engine bar is still a problem. Some suggest it's the '70 chassis shift location at the firewall. I plan to extend the bar inside the tunnel and use a stock bar from the firewall to the transaxle. Any suggestions?


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Posted by: neo914-6 Nov 29 2006, 10:38 PM

Well, found the extension and a new cone set screw finally arrived from Pelican along with some LATE parts for neo914. Not sure what the plastic plug piece is, maybe a set screw's set screw?

Here's http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=57800&hl=extension on the Mueller Machining. Now I just need to install it...

Before that I installed and http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=56765&hl=coupling new coupler bushings




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Posted by: Brad Roberts Nov 30 2006, 12:23 AM

This was funny...LOL

Not too long ago I had done more conversion than the current owners of RHS. I stopped doing them because of the headaches involved (and the computer industry pays better)


Oh.. FYI:

ALL914.com runs on this computer. I found all my pics that I had shot over the years.


B

Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 3 2007, 01:46 AM

I actually got some time on my V8 car Sunday. Had to jack it up to take ant's view pics for a potential buyer.

Installed the "Mueller" extension and it fit perfectly. Have about a 1/8" clearance of the water pump belt.

If interested in buying an extension, PM Mueller.

Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 3 2007, 01:48 AM

the differences between the bolt-on extension and a Renegade cutNweld extension...


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Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 3 2007, 01:50 AM

other side

Posted by: McMark Apr 3 2007, 03:53 AM

I do my share of 'mangling' stock parts, but anything that keeps original parts whole is a winner in my book. I'd take the extension anyday.

Posted by: Mueller Apr 3 2007, 03:30 PM

Glad it worked...sorry we missed lunch today, hopefully later on this week or next week for sure...

Posted by: Andyrew Apr 3 2007, 06:39 PM

Cool!
Were still good for saturday?

Im slowly getting better..

Andrew

Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 3 2007, 10:06 PM

Sure, it would be nice to see you and Dan!

I was going to fire it up but the Optima wouldn't turn it over...

Maybe I'll ask Harry to come by and make a "V8" day of it. He's running with some new parts. Chris J is getting his Ultima next week...

Posted by: Andyrew Apr 3 2007, 10:39 PM

Chris is getting his ultima next week? SWEEEEET!!!

Pretty soon im gona need to get a turbo or something.. Just so Harry and Mike P dont have all the fun!!

It was nice showing Mike what TQ feels like.. I wonder if he ever got the power valve on his engine fixed...

Dads getting a check up in san fransisco for his foot on friday morning.. And the doc might tell him some bad stuff.. so its entirely possible we wont make it saturday.. but im really hoping we make it up there..

Andrew

PS. Dont you love that belt clearance? lol

Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 7 2007, 07:20 PM

Andrew and Dan came by to help with the shift rod but it's still hitting hard on the engine cross member. Andrew will be "modifying" it to clear.

Found out my Optima may be dead and I need the certain Group 34 because the base matches the billet holder.

Mark J came by to compare his radiator and shifter after helping Chris unpack the Ultima. He picked up the Renegade modified shift rod I had borrowed from him last year.

Posted by: dan10101 Apr 7 2007, 11:58 PM

We copped out on the trip to Chris'. My foot was done for the day.

Andrew already has the Audi back together and is now installing the 18s. Easy timing belt change compared to the 944.

The Neo looks great in person. Keep chipping away, it'll be done soon. I realised after we left, we never tried to start the red car with the other battery. let me know if you're still having problems with it after the new battery.

Dan

Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 8 2007, 12:16 AM

I didn't go either. Thanks, I'm getting more motivated about the neo again.

The car fired right up with my van's Optima. It's loud, I'll take a video tomorrow

Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 15 2007, 08:13 PM

Engine start http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgNkitfgMc

Posted by: neo914-6 Nov 18 2007, 02:14 AM

The buyer finally picked up my 25+ year project. He has several 914 V8's so it's in good hands.

It was my first "neo914" by updating the 70's body to 80's "turbo" styling and converting the engine. I'll always remember the award from a Salinas Street Rodder's show in '93 and participating at my first xcross at WCC'04. My club ID was "Jaiderenegadesimpson V8 914" because of all different components I had.

I'll still get seat pinning rides in Harry's beast and eventually Chris Julian's super Ultima to relive the sound and feel of the V8...


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Posted by: dlo914 Nov 18 2007, 02:24 AM