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Posted by: 911GT2 Feb 13 2020, 04:16 AM

So, I've been a member here since 2011. I've been interested in 914's for longer than that. But to be honest my focus was always in the 356, 912 and 911.

After I sold my 944S2 I went on the hunt for a good 912. Which I did find, and bought... so I thought. We had a gentleman's agreement. Shook the guys hand and planned to pick the car up a week later. Day on forehand the owner started to act weird. Long story short, I didn't buy the 912.

Actually after numerous 'failures' in buying an air-cooled Porsche I got fed up with the entire Porsche scene. I had cash burning in my pocket and so I bought a VW bug instead. And another one. And a 69 westy camper...
One of the bugs ended out as a buggy project the other got sold.

So after just recently selling my buggy I finally bit the bullet and bought my first 914. cheer.gif Finally! The '69 westy stays in the fleet though. That's for weekends with the family.
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So I bought a '74 1.8. I know the 2.0's are more desirable but for me it's not about the resell value it's about the driving experience. And on paper at least I think the 15 BHP difference for me is not where's it at. And besides, the 2.0 in good state just wasn't within budget.

That brings me to my plans. I'm trying to make it a focussed weekend driver. So I'm planning on new/ better shocks, maybe bigger sway bars, sticky tires, upgraded discs all without losing the stock look.

It's going to take some time the find the proper parts... but since the car is still currently in L.A. at a dealer and I'm located in The Netherlands I still have some time on my hands.

Posted by: Spoke Feb 13 2020, 04:57 AM

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Looks like a beautiful car. Good luck with it.

About the 1.8L <> 2.0L difference, those 15HP do make a difference although the 1.8L is still a fun car.

Posted by: Coondog Feb 13 2020, 05:23 AM

Bought from Beverly Hills Car Club !!! Hope you did your homework...... popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: stevegm Feb 13 2020, 06:08 AM

Congratulations! I really like the saddle interiors.

Posted by: 911GT2 Feb 13 2020, 06:49 AM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Feb 13 2020, 03:23 AM) *

Bought from Beverly Hills Car Club !!! Hope you did your homework...... popcorn[1].gif

Well I'm buying from abroad. So I must go on what I can find online. They seemed ok. They did help me getting all the information on the car, and I've got a feeling they presented the car in a fair way. I won't know for sure until I see the car live. But for the costs of flying over there inspecting and flying back there can still be some issues an I still come out on top.

914's in europe are more scarce and usually in the same or worse condition only thing is the price is a lot higher.

Also private sellers are a bit more reluctant to help with overseas shipping.

Until now they didn't put a foot wrong though. So for me it has been a pleasant experience.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 13 2020, 06:57 AM

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Posted by: dax1969 Feb 13 2020, 07:20 AM

Welcome !

I am located in Belgium and you should have put a "want to buy" add in the classified section. Plenty good guys here but you need to take your time.

I really hope your new car is presented correct by the BHCC cause they have a bad reputation (see also the thread and the pictures of the green one !). Hope they have sent you pics of the hellhole and the longs.

if you need advise on shipping/importing just let me know

fyi : I have a 74 out of Florida on the way to Belgium. I only buy fm longtime, reputable 914 world members. I learned the hard way by buying sight unseen fm ebay years ago.

Good luck

Tot wederhoren en zeker lid worden van de 914 club holland

groeten

Dax


Posted by: jrblackbox Feb 13 2020, 07:21 AM

Sweet looking teener!

Posted by: 911GT2 Feb 13 2020, 07:37 AM

Thanks for the welcome guys.

Yes maybe I made a mistake buying from BHCC, I won't know until I get the car. Like I said it was represented to me on a reasonable matter. Far better then any seller so far. So I made a choice based upon that.

I can't change that now. If it's really bad, that a life lesson learned. And they always come at a price. Right now, I'm hoping for the best though.

Posted by: dax1969 Feb 13 2020, 08:23 AM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Feb 13 2020, 02:37 PM) *

Thanks for the welcome guys.

Yes maybe I made a mistake buying from BHCC, I won't know until I get the car. Like I said it was represented to me on a reasonable matter. Far better then any seller so far. So I made a choice based upon that.

I can't change that now. If it's really bad, that a life lesson learned. And they always come at a price. Right now, I'm hoping for the best though.



Relax and indeed wait until the car arrives. I didn't say you made a mistake... if it all feels right for you then you should not worry. I guess you know how to work on cars so keeping this one on the road is a good thing ! If you want we can stay in contact cause finding parts for these cars is sometimes a bit challenging in Europe. Most of the good stuff is in the USA but importing can be expensive (bloody customs and taxes).

Keep us posted and once again, welcome here... you can learn a lot from this platform. Mindblowing knowledge here !

bye
Dax



Posted by: Big Len Feb 13 2020, 08:25 AM

She's a beauty. Best of luck !!

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 13 2020, 08:27 AM

As long as it's not rusty you'll be fine. Looks almost exactly like the car I had in college. '74 Sunflower Yellow 1.8 with carbs and a matching cam. Still my favorite of all my 914s.

Posted by: Steve Feb 13 2020, 09:09 AM

If you have all the pictures, post them here for honest feedback. Lots of threads on BHCC, but I don't remember seeing one on this car. Naturally people post the crappy one's for entertainment.

Posted by: Mueller Feb 13 2020, 09:21 AM

Congrats, nice looking car.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 13 2020, 09:47 AM

What a car! Perfect color perfect wheels and I LOVE the limited edition spoiler

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Feb 13 2020, 03:16 AM) *

So, I've been a member here since 2011. I've been interested in 914's for longer than that. But to be honest my focus was always in the 356, 912 and 911.

After I sold my 944S2 I went on the hunt for a good 912. Which I did find, and bought... so I thought. We had a gentleman's agreement. Shook the guys hand and planned to pick the car up a week later. Day on forehand the owner started to act weird. Long story short, I didn't buy the 912.

Actually after numerous 'failures' in buying an air-cooled Porsche I got fed up with the entire Porsche scene. I had cash burning in my pocket and so I bought a VW bug instead. And another one. And a 69 westy camper...
One of the bugs ended out as a buggy project the other got sold.

So after just recently selling my buggy I finally bit the bullet and bought my first 914. cheer.gif Finally! The '69 westy stays in the fleet though. That's for weekends with the family.
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So I bought a '74 1.8. I know the 2.0's are more desirable but for me it's not about the resell value it's about the driving experience. And on paper at least I think the 15 BHP difference for me is not where's it at. And besides, the 2.0 in good state just wasn't within budget.

That brings me to my plans. I'm trying to make it a focussed weekend driver. So I'm planning on new/ better shocks, maybe bigger sway bars, sticky tires, upgraded discs all without losing the stock look.

It's going to take some time the find the proper parts... but since the car is still currently in L.A. at a dealer and I'm located in The Netherlands I still have some time on my hands.


Posted by: kroelofsen Feb 13 2020, 10:00 AM

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Nice color... I have a 1.8 and currently restoring it... Have fun!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 13 2020, 10:28 AM

welcome.png Hey don't worry they can all be fixed when needed. Great color and year. Now the madness begins as you begin to modify and make it your own.

Posted by: AZBanks Feb 13 2020, 10:31 AM

Congratulations and welcome to the madness.

Posted by: 76-914 Feb 13 2020, 10:45 AM

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Posted by: 911GT2 Feb 13 2020, 10:46 AM

QUOTE(Steve @ Feb 13 2020, 07:09 AM) *

If you have all the pictures, post them here for honest feedback. Lots of threads on BHCC, but I don't remember seeing one on this car. Naturally people post the crappy one's for entertainment.

Most can be found here: https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1974-porsche-914-c-10551.htm

Posted by: Coondog Feb 13 2020, 11:40 AM

Lots of rust my friend, good luck.

Posted by: dt4 Feb 13 2020, 12:13 PM

beige / brown interior - nice
I imported a car last year also but in my case I bought from a member of the club so had the easiest experience possible.

well done for finding the car, do you have more pictures, especially of the interior?


Posted by: DRPHIL914 Feb 13 2020, 12:26 PM

hey I just wanted to say that this isn't too bad from what we can see, I don't see under the rockers or full hell hole pictures but it could be way worse! I had way more floor pan and long rust than that and my hell hole was solid. But I still spent about $15,000 all told on all the rust repair, body work and repaint etc. but I only pain $2500 for my car. This will be a nice car and if you can and it runs, as long as brakes are good and body is safe, then drive it and enjoy it for a bit and then get working on some other stuff. Just realize it will be a project. Have fun, enjoy it, you have some people in your area that can direct you to trustworthy body and mechanics. Welcome and keep posting pictures etc of your project once you get the car let us know!!

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Posted by: 911GT2 Feb 13 2020, 12:38 PM

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hey I just wanted to say that this isn't too bad from what we can see, I don't see under the rockers or full hell hole pictures but it could be way worse! I had way more floor pan and long rust than that and my hell hole was solid. But I still spent about $15,000 all told on all the rust repair, body work and repaint etc. but I only pain $2500 for my car. This will be a nice car and if you can and it runs, as long as brakes are good and body is safe, then drive it and enjoy it for a bit and then get working on some other stuff. Just realize it will be a project. Have fun, enjoy it, you have some people in your area that can direct you to trustworthy body and mechanics. Welcome and keep posting pictures etc of your project once you get the car let us know!!

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That is exactly my plan.

I buy these cars to enjoy and drive them. My Westy is a driver to.

Not perfect, but good enough to have fun. And in time some repairs come. That's within expectations.

This is the westy.
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Posted by: 914forme Feb 13 2020, 03:16 PM

I'm going to say enjoy the car. You are going into it with the right attitude, congratulations.

Since you are shipping and if you could, have someone do a post purchase inspection, and get all the parts you might need placed in all the open spaces that car has before going in the container to be shipped over.

Posted by: PanelBilly Feb 13 2020, 05:48 PM

Hello from the Pacific Northwest

Posted by: Spoke Feb 13 2020, 06:02 PM

Nice Westy. What kind of wheels are on it?

Posted by: 914forme Feb 13 2020, 06:28 PM

ATS cookie cutters

Posted by: jagalyn Feb 14 2020, 02:30 AM

Best wishes with your new car... enjoy.

Posted by: bkrantz Feb 14 2020, 09:29 PM

Just keep thinking positive. Anything is repairable with enough enthusiasm (and time and money).

Posted by: Porschef Feb 15 2020, 12:33 PM

Just curious, did you consider asking for a PPI here? Many folks are willing to help out.

Hope all works out well for you.

Posted by: 911GT2 Feb 15 2020, 02:34 PM

QUOTE(Porschef @ Feb 15 2020, 10:33 AM) *

Just curious, did you consider asking for a PPI here? Many folks are willing to help out.

Hope all works out well for you.

Sadly I have not. I couldn't have imagined someone would do that.

I'm amazed at the 914 spirit.

Well buying the 914 is water under the bridge, can't change that now. Let's hope for the best. If not, my mother always told me, "it's only money and that can be replaced".

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 6 2020, 03:02 AM

I'm still waiting on the title to be changed.

https://superclassics.eu/green-light-law-stopped-export-new-york-registered-vehicles/ A new law prevents NY cars to be exported.

But the proces of changing the title seems to take forever? Is the California DMV so slow? It's been over two weeks? I don't know what is normal for this process.

Posted by: Coondog Mar 6 2020, 03:50 AM

Someone correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t the Calif DMV, CHP or AAA have to confirm VIN numbers to register a out of state car.

If so that process is fairly simple, the RED flag for me would be that the Beverly Hills people never changed the title on the car from NY to Calif.

Question....Where is your car right now ???


Posted by: ValcoOscar Mar 6 2020, 05:55 AM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Mar 6 2020, 01:50 AM) *

Someone correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t the Calif DMV, CHP or AAA have to confirm VIN numbers to register a out of state car.

If so that process is fairly simple, the RED flag for me would be that the Beverly Hills people never changed the title on the car from NY to Calif.

Question....Where is your car right now ???


agree.gif NO California title without VIN verification.

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I see a potential problem if car is already shipped. busted_cop.gif

Oscar



Posted by: Porschef Mar 6 2020, 06:24 AM

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This should be interesting, maybe not in a good way. It is a political issue, I believe NY has begun issuing licenses without certain IDs and that’s rubbing some folks the wrong way.

Better question as Coondog brought up is the title transfer N.Y. to CA. Seems the whole problem could be avoided by registering the car in California prior to shipping. A minor fee compared to what is looking like a potential fiasco.

Again, I hope it all works out for you.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 6 2020, 06:55 AM

Personally I’d not worry about the title transfer, will take time but don’t see any real risk there. BHCC is responsible for it, they are a real known business and they aren’t going to screw you on that. Between NY and CA will take a couple months but once a valid title request is submitted to CA it is usually 2 weeks before the new title shows up.

BHCC isn’t going to re-title everything in stock, lots of effort and DMV fees when most buyers don’t need it done.

I’m sure the car is in their warehouse still, guys nothing to worry about or scare @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=12773 over.


And, yes, I’ve bought from them without issue.



Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 6 2020, 07:11 AM

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Mar 6 2020, 03:55 AM) *

QUOTE(Coondog @ Mar 6 2020, 01:50 AM) *

Someone correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t the Calif DMV, CHP or AAA have to confirm VIN numbers to register a out of state car.

If so that process is fairly simple, the RED flag for me would be that the Beverly Hills people never changed the title on the car from NY to Calif.

Question....Where is your car right now ???


agree.gif NO California title without VIN verification.

confused24.gif

I see a potential problem if car is already shipped. busted_cop.gif

Oscar

The car is not yet shipped.
QUOTE(Porschef @ Mar 6 2020, 04:24 AM) *

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This should be interesting, maybe not in a good way. It is a political issue, I believe NY has begun issuing licenses without certain IDs and that’s rubbing some folks the wrong way.

Better question as Coondog brought up is the title transfer N.Y. to CA. Seems the whole problem could be avoided by registering the car in California prior to shipping. A minor fee compared to what is looking like a potential fiasco.

Again, I hope it all works out for you.

That's exactly the proces they are following. So my question is more this: Is the duration of several weeks to be expected, and is it normal?

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 6 2020, 04:55 AM) *

Personally I’d not worry about the title transfer, will take time but don’t see any real risk there. BHCC is responsible for it, they are a real known business and they aren’t going to screw you on that. Between NY and CA will take a couple months but once a valid title request is submitted to CA it is usually 2 weeks before the new title shows up.

BHCC isn’t going to re-title everything in stock, lots of effort and DMV fees when most buyers don’t need it done.

I’m sure the car is in their warehouse still, guys nothing to worry about or scare @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=12773 over.


And, yes, I’ve bought from them without issue.

To be fair I still don't have any issues with BHCC. They brought this issue up themselves. They also promised they would solve it and promised to take care of any additional fees.

So I'm not in it to bash BHCC. 'au contraire' if anything I would like to see for them to prove some people here wrong. I didn't know about the 'stigma' of BHCC before buying from them and like I said before, thus far they haven't done anything to live up to that stigma. So maybe naive, but until proven otherwise I still believe in the good of people.

Posted by: Porschef Mar 6 2020, 07:17 AM

Typically a temporary title is issued until the real one is mailed out. I don’t know if that would qualify for shipping but if so, I’d imagine the permanent title could be mailed to you after the fact.

I’d give them a call and find out how they plan on rectifying the situation.

Good luck beerchug.gif

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 6 2020, 07:42 AM

QUOTE(Porschef @ Mar 6 2020, 05:17 AM) *

Typically a temporary title is issued until the real one is mailed out. I don’t know if that would qualify for shipping but if so, I’d imagine the permanent title could be mailed to you after the fact.

I’d give them a call and find out how they plan on rectifying the situation.

Good luck beerchug.gif

Literal quote from the mail from BHCC
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Please note we are doing our best to expedite the title.

It is our of our hands and we have already did our best.

Here for classic vehicle’s the department of motor vehicle’s takes there sweet time.

Its not an easy process to get the title changed and all sorted.

Please give us some more time and everything will be good.

We are a licensed and bounded dealership here and we must make sure the car will be able to register and be title’s once its with you so you don’t have any issues.


So I think I will be allright. Seems to me, they are trying their best to make it right. So I will try to be patient.

Posted by: 914forme Mar 6 2020, 08:10 AM

agree.gif Just keep on them for updates.

Also ample time to get a Post Buying Inspection done, and get big parts you might need on a list and placed in the car for shipment.

Or if it comes out really bad, you can then move the car to a facility that you trust to do the repairs over a long distance and then get it shipped over. Really only one or two come to mind.

Well three but Canepa might be a bit expensive, and Rod Emory does not work on 914s.

McMark original Customs, and Cary of Middlemotorwerks, both I would trust with my own cars for metal repair.

You have waited 15 years, so what's a few extra months or days.

One of the great things about this forum is loads of people willing to help others get into 914s. PPI offers happen all the time, you just have to ask.


Posted by: Coondog Mar 6 2020, 09:10 AM

So back to my question???
Where is your car at right now ????????

If it’s still at BHMC all they have to do is drive it to the dmv get a vin inspection pay the fees and get a registration title on the spot. A pink slip will take a couple weeks. But they should at least send you the new title which would prove they went to the DMV. Now if they didn’t have a valid NY title in the first place then this could take awhile.

I worry for you my friend because if this hasn’t happened it tells me the car won’t drive to the DMV for the VIN inspection.

Someone needs to drop by BHMC and see if it’s there.

Posted by: Root_Werks Mar 6 2020, 09:36 AM

Great score on a clean looking 914!

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 6 2020, 09:40 AM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Mar 6 2020, 07:10 AM) *

So back to my question???
Where is your car at right now ????????

If it’s still at BHMC all they have to do is drive it to the dmv get a vin inspection pay the fees and get a registration title on the spot. A pink slip will take a couple weeks. But they should at least send you the new title which would prove they went to the DMV. Now if they didn’t have a valid NY title in the first place then this could take awhile.

I worry for you my friend because if this hasn’t happened it tells me the car won’t drive to the DMV for the VIN inspection.

Someone needs to drop by BHMC and see if it’s there.

I think it's still at BHCC. There is no way for me to know for sure.

Also I have several video's of the car running and driving. From inside the car. From outside the car, the car driving by etc etc.

Posted by: mrholland2 Mar 6 2020, 10:44 AM

In answer to your question about the California DMV: Yes, it can take an amazingly long amount of time to process the title. Or, it can happen faster than any other state. If you have ever seen any movies or other things with references to miserable, slow, frustrating DMV processes, they are all making fun of the California DMV>


QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 6 2020, 05:11 AM) *

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Mar 6 2020, 03:55 AM) *

QUOTE(Coondog @ Mar 6 2020, 01:50 AM) *

Someone correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t the Calif DMV, CHP or AAA have to confirm VIN numbers to register a out of state car.

If so that process is fairly simple, the RED flag for me would be that the Beverly Hills people never changed the title on the car from NY to Calif.

Question....Where is your car right now ???


agree.gif NO California title without VIN verification.

confused24.gif

I see a potential problem if car is already shipped. busted_cop.gif

Oscar

The car is not yet shipped.
QUOTE(Porschef @ Mar 6 2020, 04:24 AM) *

popcorn[1].gif

This should be interesting, maybe not in a good way. It is a political issue, I believe NY has begun issuing licenses without certain IDs and that’s rubbing some folks the wrong way.

Better question as Coondog brought up is the title transfer N.Y. to CA. Seems the whole problem could be avoided by registering the car in California prior to shipping. A minor fee compared to what is looking like a potential fiasco.

Again, I hope it all works out for you.

That's exactly the proces they are following. So my question is more this: Is the duration of several weeks to be expected, and is it normal?

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 6 2020, 04:55 AM) *

Personally I’d not worry about the title transfer, will take time but don’t see any real risk there. BHCC is responsible for it, they are a real known business and they aren’t going to screw you on that. Between NY and CA will take a couple months but once a valid title request is submitted to CA it is usually 2 weeks before the new title shows up.

BHCC isn’t going to re-title everything in stock, lots of effort and DMV fees when most buyers don’t need it done.

I’m sure the car is in their warehouse still, guys nothing to worry about or scare @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=12773 over.


And, yes, I’ve bought from them without issue.

To be fair I still don't have any issues with BHCC. They brought this issue up themselves. They also promised they would solve it and promised to take care of any additional fees.

So I'm not in it to bash BHCC. 'au contraire' if anything I would like to see for them to prove some people here wrong. I didn't know about the 'stigma' of BHCC before buying from them and like I said before, thus far they haven't done anything to live up to that stigma. So maybe naive, but until proven otherwise I still believe in the good of people.


Posted by: Tdskip Mar 6 2020, 01:13 PM

QUOTE(Porschef @ Mar 6 2020, 07:17 AM) *

Typically a temporary title is issued until the real one is mailed out. I don’t know if that would qualify for shipping but if so, I’d imagine the permanent title could be mailed to you after the fact.

I’d give them a call and find out how they plan on rectifying the situation.

Good luck beerchug.gif


California doesn't do this so not applicable unfortunately.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 6 2020, 01:18 PM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Mar 6 2020, 09:10 AM) *

So back to my question???
Where is your car at right now ????????

If it’s still at BHMC all they have to do is drive it to the dmv get a vin inspection pay the fees and get a registration title on the spot. A pink slip will take a couple weeks. But they should at least send you the new title which would prove they went to the DMV. Now if they didn’t have a valid NY title in the first place then this could take awhile.

I worry for you my friend because if this hasn’t happened it tells me the car won’t drive to the DMV for the VIN inspection.

Someone needs to drop by BHMC and see if it’s there.


Respectfully, @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19195 you are speculating especially since the car isn't going to be used by the buyer since there is a large body of water and fair amount of land between him and the car.

BHCC sells a lot of stuff each month, a lot of it never hitting the website, they aren't going to take their time to register a car for no reason.

I've bought from them and know three local classic car dealers that buy/sell from them. I honestly don't see the point in worrying @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=12773 .

Posted by: burton73 Mar 6 2020, 01:30 PM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Feb 13 2020, 09:40 AM) *

Lots of rust my friend, good luck.



I hate to be the guy that says this but this is a 914 club and a lot of us know of what we speak.

If you can in anyway unwind this deal with them I would do it. A NY car is prone to super rust if driven in the snow at all.

On looking over the pictures there is a bit of rust going on with this car.
There is rust showing on the driver side front fender right where the water hits the car when it is wet outside. Rear trunk shows rust and the car had been repainted at some point. The door vin sticker is not there? An original paint car is the best even if it is old and faded as you have to see how the paint has aged. I am spoiled being in CA. A person still does not know what is really going on with the car.

I sold 2 great cars to (Danny) Dax in Belgium 1.5 years ago. The 914 was original paint. You can see if there are any body problems with original paint. Paperwork with history of your car is very important. Dax can answer your questions on Belgium and the 914 seen there.


I bought a 73 911s that was originally from NY brought into CA. It had some light rust and this was in 78. It always bothered me.

There are some really nice bodied 914 in CA you just have to hold on and make sure that it is a good car from a good seller. BHCC at least does not try to hide the cars they sell.

This car is at least 130,000 miles if not 230,000 miles. They all have high mileage innless it can be proven like the primo 75 I just bought with every recite from day one. Yea they are hard to find but they do come up. Dax found a super nice car from one of our members and he waited for the right one it will be in his hands very soon.

Bob B

Picture of my stunning paint job 1975 that is 18 years old. On an 18-year-old paint job any problems would show up on paint. I have the recite for all rubber seals and paint work from 18 years ago $7,900.
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Also note my 928 44,000 with factory paint job. All paperwork from day one.





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Posted by: ValcoOscar Mar 6 2020, 01:30 PM

I have no skin in this game, but I worry too for our new fellow teener.

No doubt they are a legit business but to @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19195 point.

They are also representing another 914 for sale as only needing cosmetic work.!!

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https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/inventory.htm?make=%5BPorsche%5D&model=%5B914%5D&orderby=make,year

Oscar

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 6 2020, 01:42 PM

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Mar 6 2020, 01:30 PM) *

I have no skin in this game, but I worry too for our new fellow teener.

No doubt they are a legit business but to @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19195 point.

They are also representing another 914 for sale as only needing cosmetic work.!!

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https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/inventory.htm?make=%5BPorsche%5D&model=%5B914%5D&orderby=make,year

Oscar


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=16669 - fair enough but I was only addressing what I see as nonsense about them stealing his car.

Posted by: ValcoOscar Mar 6 2020, 01:45 PM

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 6 2020, 11:42 AM) *

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Mar 6 2020, 01:30 PM) *

I have no skin in this game, but I worry too for our new fellow teener.

No doubt they are a legit business but to @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19195 point.

They are also representing another 914 for sale as only needing cosmetic work.!!

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https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/inventory.htm?make=%5BPorsche%5D&model=%5B914%5D&orderby=make,year

Oscar


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=16669 - fair enough but I was only addressing what I see as nonsense about them stealing his car.


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Still friends TD...come over and play in my garage anytime. grouphug.gif

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 6 2020, 01:47 PM

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Mar 6 2020, 01:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 6 2020, 11:42 AM) *

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Mar 6 2020, 01:30 PM) *

I have no skin in this game, but I worry too for our new fellow teener.

No doubt they are a legit business but to @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19195 point.

They are also representing another 914 for sale as only needing cosmetic work.!!

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https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/inventory.htm?make=%5BPorsche%5D&model=%5B914%5D&orderby=make,year

Oscar


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=16669 - fair enough but I was only addressing what I see as nonsense about them stealing his car.


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Still friends TD...come over and play in my garage anytime. grouphug.gif



Right on, overdue. Working on testing the 3.2L to make sure it is ready to go in, may be summer given other projects.

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 6 2020, 01:54 PM

QUOTE(burton73 @ Mar 6 2020, 11:30 AM) *

QUOTE(Coondog @ Feb 13 2020, 09:40 AM) *

Lots of rust my friend, good luck.



I hate to be the guy that says this but this is a 914 club and a lot of us know of what we speak.

If you can in anyway unwind this deal with them I would do it. A NY car is prone to super rust if driven in the snow at all.

On looking over the pictures there is a bit of rust going on with this car.
There is rust showing on the driver side front fender right where the water hits the car when it is wet outside. Rear trunk shows rust and the car had been repainted at some point. The door vin sticker is not there? An original paint car is the best even if it is old and faded as you have to see how the paint has aged. I am spoiled being in CA. A person still does not know what is really going on with the car.

I sold 2 great cars to (Danny) Dax in Belgium 1.5 years ago. The 914 was original paint. You can see if there are any body problems with original paint. Paperwork with history of your car is very important. Dax can answer your questions on Belgium and the 914 seen there.


I bought a 73 911s that was originally from NY brought into CA. It had some light rust and this was in 78. It always bothered me.

There are some really nice bodied 914 in CA you just have to hold on and make sure that it is a good car from a good seller. BHCC at least does not try to hide the cars they sell.

This car is at least 130,000 miles if not 230,000 miles. They all have high mileage innless it can be proven like the primo 75 I just bought with every recite from day one. Yea they are hard to find but they do come up. Dax found a super nice car from one of our members and he waited for the right one it will be in his hands very soon.

Bob B

Picture of my stunning paint job 1975 that is 18 years old. On an 18-year-old paint job any problems would show up on paint. I have the recite for all rubber seals and paint work from 18 years ago $7,900.
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Also note my 928 44,000 with factory paint job. All paperwork from day one.





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Thank you for your input. Unfortunately I did not have this knowledge on the time I bought the car. As of now I can't find a reason to unwind this deal. I made a judgement call based upon what I thought was a fair car at that moment and I still think it's a good base for a nice driver. I live in The Netherlands and finding one over here is even harder and they are almost all worse then this one and more expensive too.

Could I have bought a better one? Probably yes. But that's hindsight.
But I can not fault BHCC for any wrongdoing as off so far. I have a feeling they at least tried to picture the car as is.

For me the buying part is 'water under the bridge'. I have to work with what I've got now. If it's bad, it takes more time and money but I will sort it out. But I'm not going to back out of an agreement or deal after the deal has been made. I don't want to be that guy.

Posted by: burton73 Mar 6 2020, 03:23 PM

I am not saying to back out, I am saying see if you can unwind your deal. That may be to pay to BBCC some money to resell the car that you do not have ownership of yet. They will find another person to buy the car.

I would not buy parts for the car till you really see what you need. Someone may have changed the shocks not that long ago. Also, I am curious as to what was done to put the 5 lug wheels on.

There is a right way and a cheap way.

Curious what you paid for the car?
The silver car cost me $20,000 and I think that was a supper deal.

Good luck and as I said Welcome to 914World where the nicest Porsche people are ready to help you out in almost any way they can.


Bob B


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Posted by: ValcoOscar Mar 6 2020, 03:29 PM

And because you're "NOT THAT GUY"

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19195 , @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21666 and @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7414 and I have conferred.

We decided to send you a Welcome to 914World care package for FREE (you pay shipping)

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Please PM me for details.

Oscar


Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 6 2020, 03:48 PM

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Mar 6 2020, 01:29 PM) *

And because you're "NOT THAT GUY"

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19195 , @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21666 and @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=7414 and I have conferred.

We decided to send you a Welcome to 914World care package for FREE (you pay shipping)

aktion035.gif cheer.gif beerchug.gif beer.gif piratenanner.gif drunk.gif smile.gif biggrin.gif

Please PM me for details.

Oscar

Cool! piratenanner.gif cheer.gif
I’ll send you a PM

Posted by: brcacti Mar 6 2020, 04:26 PM

The car looks good to me. welcome.png

Posted by: Coondog Mar 6 2020, 04:34 PM

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 6 2020, 11:42 AM) *

QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Mar 6 2020, 01:30 PM) *

I have no skin in this game, but I worry too for our new fellow teener.

No doubt they are a legit business but to @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19195 point.

They are also representing another 914 for sale as only needing cosmetic work.!!

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https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/inventory.htm?make=%5BPorsche%5D&model=%5B914%5D&orderby=make,year

Oscar


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=16669 - fair enough but I was only addressing what I see as nonsense about them stealing his car.



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Posted by: campbellcj Mar 10 2020, 06:43 PM

Not trying further scare the OP but buyer beware, as they say. A guy I know is right now going thru a major saga with a car purchased from BHCC (without a proper PPI, shame on him.) Not a 914 or p-car, a 60's American car.

First he had to wait a ridiculous amount of time to get the car (like 3 weeks) supposedly for replacement of a trivial in-stock part they could have gotten right away. (First red flag.)

Then the car actually broke down on the way home from BHCC and needed a tow. (2nd red flag, personally I would've towed it back to the dealer not to my house.)

Then on the way to the body/paint shop to check out the rust, a door latch broke (3 strikes you're out).

Now he has learned the car is so rusty - truly structurally unsound - it requires a full multi-month restoration including a bunch of replacement metal (a BUNCH). It literally has scary repairs where someone pop-riveted new metal patches right on top of the rusty parts and then sprayed overcoat on top to hide it. (Sound familar 914 guys?)

Within a few months the guy will be into this car more than 2X the purchase cost.

To be fair, the buyer did not at all expect a rust-free or perfect car at this price point, but clearly not a rustbucket either, as it was advertised and bought as a fully usable vehicle that just "needs a few things". Right.

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 21 2020, 02:31 AM

Ok here we go; please read this post carefully and only respond with constructive comments please. This for me is a time of a lot of stress and anxiety so bear with me.

After the purchase of the car (wiring the funds) I was told the title would take 15 day to arrive.

So I've send reminder mails after 7, 14 and 21 days. All were responded to with "It's out of our hands we're waiting on the DMV." On Monday I've send out another mail asking for a status update and how the Covid-19 crisis would affect the DMV and the title proces. Still same answer "It's out of our hands we're waiting on the DMV."

Yesterday I've send out this mail to BHCC:

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Hi XXXX,

Today marks a month of waiting on the DMV. The situation in the world has changed completely in that time. I don’t see the DMV coming through with the title any time soon.

At this point I don’t feel like the car will be in Europe before summer which makes is pretty much useless for me until next year.

I suggest we cancel the deal and you give me a refund. It’s not that I don’t want the car anymore. But I’m loosing my confidence in BHCC and your ability to get me the car I bought. Thats due to the DMV and Covid-19, but on the other hand you have done nothing towards me to update me or compensate me for my waiting time. I haven’t had any updates on the DMV proces even when I explicitly asked for them the only answer I get it’s out of your hands. But you also told me 15 days. It’s been 30! I lost all faith.

Please refund me XXXX on details below:

I’m Sorry it has to be this way.

Best Regards,


I immediately got a call from BHCC stating that the required document had just come in that day and that it now would be an easy process getting the title. Maximum of 11-13 days. I would get an email within an hour with that document. I stated if that's the case I will wait. I also asked tem to send me a confirmation that if the title wasn't ready 15 days from now I was allowed to cancel the deal and get a full refund.
That was agreed upon by the BHCC sales manager.

After 4 hours of no reaction I send out another e-mail.
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Hi XXXX,

I herby send you the recap from the conversation on the phone with XXXX (salesmanager BHCC) today 20th march at 9:50 Los Angeles time.
We have agreed that within 2 hours I would get a confirmation of our call, in that confirmation there would be the document supplied by the DMV that's necessary to get the title complete and make the car ready for export and shipping.
Also in that confirmation would be the statement we have agreed that the car would be ready for shipping 15 days from today. If not I will get a full refund of the purchase price, shipping costs, documentation fee, wiring fee, electronic filing fee and NMVTIS fee without any restrictions.

Best regards


After which I got this reply:
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Hello Naud,

I hope your doing well and staying safe with this crazy virus.

Please note the DMV is doing there best to get you the title as soon as possible.

We now know that the title will be here on 4/10/2020 this still gives us enough time to have the car shipped right away and you will have the car by summer.

I am sorry for the delay however we are doing our best


To me 4/10/2020 is 20 days from now so BHCC broke their own promise, so I asked for a refund like agreed upon.

That wasn't an option as on 4/10/2020 all would be set.
But I kept firm at the refund. So the mails back and forth started to get shorter and less pleasant until I asked to send me at least the document they said they got in that day as confirmation for me. (at this point I was even willing to accept the 4/10/2020 if there was a valid document)

I got this last mail:

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The DMV office I sent my employee today was closed. I will send him again tomorrow and if not again on Monday until I get this registration.

I work with a lot of clients in the Netherlands and other parts of Europe and the one thing they can they tell if that I do not know how to fail. I will get this title as promised.


So it seems there was no document at all! headbang.gif

So a bit outraged I've send out this last mail after which all mail traffic stopped. (it was 2:30 am here i agues 18:30 LA time)
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Hi XXX,

So you lied to me about having a document in today?
There is no document at all?!

I want this to end. Right now!

Please refund me! I have put up with enough right now.
I do not want to go through with this deal anymore!

So once more please refund me within 5 days on:
XXXX

Thank you!


What I would like to hear from you guys is two things.
  1. What are my rights? When can I cancel a deal, do I need a lawyer?
  2. I know the DMV process is slow, but what are the actual steps a dealer has to go through to get a New York title change into a Cali title?

Please keep from banter on BHCC. I'm already in this process with them so help me to get out this mess with them please.



Posted by: Tbrown4x4 Mar 21 2020, 02:49 AM

I cannot add anything helpful, except I'm sorry you have to go through this. Hopefully some good advice is coming to help you resolve this.

Best of luck!

Posted by: jagalyn Mar 21 2020, 06:01 AM

OK... This will cost you money. But maybe in the long run would be the answer to your problems.

BHCC has a decent 1974 914 2.0 right now for sale. Maybe call them up and let them know you want to trade in the car you bought for this one... try to make a deal.

https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1974-porsche-914-2.0-c-10885.htm

This one seems to be a really good car from the pictures and receipts. I know it is a lot of money... but when you factor in shipping, taxes, duty and the repairs that might be required on the car you bought... this might actually be the cheaper route. And it's a 2 Liter.

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Posted by: Tdskip Mar 21 2020, 06:21 AM

While I do not (obviously) endorse want appear to be less than accurate promises from them in response to your most recent communication they are being truthful in that everting here in California that is not considered essential is frozen.

That included DMV that handles titles.



Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 21 2020, 06:29 AM

QUOTE(jagalyn @ Mar 21 2020, 04:01 AM) *

OK... This will cost you money. But maybe in the long run would be the answer to your problems.

BHCC has a decent 1974 914 2.0 right now for sale. Maybe call them up and let them know you want to trade in the car you bought for this one... try to make a deal.

https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1974-porsche-914-2.0-c-10885.htm

This one seems to be a really good car from the pictures and receipts. I know it is a lot of money... but when you factor in shipping, taxes, duty and the repairs that might be required on the car you bought... this might actually be the cheaper route. And it's a 2 Liter.

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Thank you but right now I don't have the money to walk that route.

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 21 2020, 04:21 AM) *

While I do not (obviously) endorse want appear to be less than accurate promises from them in response to your most recent communication they are being truthful in that everting here in California that is not considered essential is frozen.

That included DMV that handles titles.

That I know. But right now it seems they still have to start. And it should have started a month ago. The issue is not that I do not understand the problem, the issue is until now I haven't seen anything from them which indicates that they made progress, or even started solving the title issue.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 21 2020, 07:36 AM

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 21 2020, 04:21 AM) *

While I do not (obviously) endorse want appear to be less than accurate promises from them in response to your most recent communication they are being truthful in that everting here in California that is not considered essential is frozen.

That included DMV that handles titles.


QUOTE(911GT2)

That I know. But right now it seems they still have to start. And it should have started a month ago. The issue is not that I do not understand the problem, the issue is until now I haven't seen anything from them which indicates that they made progress, or even started solving the title issue.


I totally understand that frustration, I'd be equally (if not more) upset with those answers.

I don't think they are open to be public now but I will try calling them this morning. Normally at this point I'd just jump in the car and drive up there. Wish I had last week, sorry.

If they can't get you a good title they will refund your money. Getting the title may well be a 3-6 month process (or longer) from here if they are just starting. I doubt they are, but the backlog of paperwork is going to be enormous.

Sending you a PM with my contact info if you want to chat live.

Posted by: Superhawk996 Mar 21 2020, 09:19 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=12773

In my experience you have to be able to negotiate from both points of view - both the buyer and the seller.

I was once involved in a $9000 deal for a 914/6 (tells you how long ago this was).

I closed the deal with a gut feeling that something wasn't right. As I was getting ready to drive it home cross country, about 20 minutes out from the dealership I realized the only way my gut feelings could be true is if the car had been VIN Swapped (illegal in all of the U.S.). I found a small tag of MIG wire under the front right fender VIN. It indeed had been removed from another car and welded into this tub.

To make a very long story short. I resolved it with the selling dealership by allowing them to take back the car and to refund me 90% of the money, and to get me back to the airport and on the return flight I had booked just in case I hadn't bought the car.

Should I have had to accept a 10% haircut to get out of a fradulent deal - No.

Should I have turned them in - Maybe, but, that assumes I could prove they knew what they were selling was fradulent. I didn't feel I could meet that standard of proof.

The bottom line was that I learned a $900 lesson about following my gut instinct before closing a deal (for cars or anything else). Over the course of my life it was a valuable lesson that has paid for itself several times over.

The dealership got somthing for thier trouble and the fact that they now had a car that they could no longer represent as an orignal 914/6.

I apologize to the 914/6 community, I have no idea what happened to that car nor do I have any documents on it or the VIN of it. Hopefully it has been wrecked or rusted out by now.

911GT2 - you might consider doing the same. Get BHCC to cancel the sale and hold back some small % for thier trouble. That cuts you free from the drama and allows you to get on with finding a better car and someone that will help you every step of the way.

Posted by: Larmo63 Mar 21 2020, 01:04 PM

I get a weird feeling every time I look at anything from BHCC. That's me, some may disagree. I wouldn't deal with them. dry.gif

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 21 2020, 01:16 PM

Just now I had a long call with BHCC again. They walked me trough the process they had to do so far. It's not all on them to be fair!

So basically since the law changed on export for cars from NY and I only bought the car a couple of days later so they had to request a new title. Normally that wouldn't be a big problem. But 'my' car is missing a sticker with approval and VIN from the doorsill. So they had to have the car inspected in person apparently. That inspection was done march 16th and that's the document they got in yesterday. (apparently)
With that document they now can go to the DMV and request the new title. Except the DMV is closed.
So monday they try again, if the DMV is still closed by then I have a few choices.

1. I get the refund.
2. We try to make a deal on the silver 914 2.0 like was suggested by http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=5503 that was also suggested by BHCC
3. I wait.

3. is not an option anymore.

I'm tempted to go for 2. but I think I can't come up that much. What would be reasonable price for that car? I think I can come up to about 17K excl shipping maybe 18 if I stretch it thin.

https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1974-porsche-914-2.0-c-10885.htm

What would you do? Anybody selling a nice 914 as alternative biggrin.gif

Posted by: Coondog Mar 21 2020, 01:30 PM

Have Tdskip give the 2.0 a head to toe inspection and if it looks good make a deal.

Run from that first car, it’s going to be your restoration nightmare.
As they say always buy the best 914 you can’t afford,,,, lol-2.gif or something like that.,, confused24.gif

Posted by: FlacaProductions Mar 21 2020, 01:48 PM

I'm in no way as educated in 914's at @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21666 but I know my way around them (at the very least aesthetically) and am happy to run over there and take a look by myself or with anyone else...just yell. I promise to stay 6-feet away from anyone else...

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 21 2020, 01:48 PM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Mar 21 2020, 11:30 AM) *

Have Tdskip give the 2.0 a head to toe inspection and if it looks good make a deal.

Run from that first car, it’s going to be your restoration nightmare.
As they say always buy the best 914 you can’t afford,,,, lol-2.gif or something like that.,, confused24.gif

LOL biggrin.gif

Posted by: FlacaProductions Mar 21 2020, 02:05 PM

re: the silver 74 - it was RNM on BaT 11/29/19.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-914-38/

may give you some pricing/negotiating guidance?

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 21 2020, 02:22 PM

QUOTE(FlacaProductions @ Mar 21 2020, 12:05 PM) *

re: the silver 74 - it was RNM on BaT 11/29/19.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-914-38/

may give you some pricing/negotiating guidance?

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Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 21 2020, 02:35 PM

I’d take the money and run.
You know they have lied about what they did and didn’t do before. I understand the desire to have a nice car, but deal with someone that you can at least plausibly believe to be honest. It’s about integrity. They have shown that they regard the truth as a gray area in this one instance, why would there not be more?

They have shown their nature, you should view all further dealings through this lens.

There are lots of good folks here that can help you in your the search here. People with no skin in the game.

Just my .02

I hate seeing fellow 914’ers getting hosed.

Posted by: FlacaProductions Mar 21 2020, 03:06 PM

One other point - don't think we're in a vacuum here - BHCC may be also on these boards in one way or another.

Posted by: mepstein Mar 21 2020, 04:27 PM

I imagine as a dealer, they are required to give you good title to the car. At this point, the offices that could handle the title work may be closed for an indeterminate amount of time. I would try your best to get your money back asap. Then use this site and the great people here to help guide you to a reputable seller with a good car.

Posted by: jagalyn Mar 21 2020, 05:30 PM

Yep. Start with getting your money back. Then all options are on the table.

Posted by: Spoke Mar 21 2020, 06:30 PM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Mar 21 2020, 04:35 PM) *

I’d take the money and run.
...but deal with someone that you can at least plausibly believe to be honest...

There are lots of good folks here that can help you in your the search here. People with no skin in the game.


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Buy a car from someone on this board. You'll get enough eyes on the car to make sure it is what they're selling. I bought my 914 from this site from someone who was known to be reputable.

Posted by: cuddy_k Mar 21 2020, 07:24 PM

My two favorite quotes...

– Buy the best car you can afford.

– Buying the seller is more important than buying the car

I agree with the brain trust...get your money back

Posted by: mepstein Mar 21 2020, 07:24 PM

Good luck with this

Posted by: Bmw635 Mar 21 2020, 07:39 PM

911GT2, ygm.

Posted by: bkrantz Mar 21 2020, 08:45 PM

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Mar 21 2020, 01:04 PM) *

I get a weird feeling every time I look at anything from BHCC. That's me, some may disagree. I wouldn't deal with them. dry.gif


I agree. Some of their listings seem ridiculous, glossing over what is clearly serious damage and rust, and asking prices that seem double market rates.

Posted by: mepstein Mar 21 2020, 08:47 PM

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Mar 21 2020, 10:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Mar 21 2020, 01:04 PM) *

I get a weird feeling every time I look at anything from BHCC. That's me, some may disagree. I wouldn't deal with them. dry.gif


I agree. Some of their listings seem ridiculous, glossing over what is clearly serious damage and rust, and asking prices that seem double market rates.

I don't look at their ads. They take good pics but mostly sell overpriced junk.

Posted by: djway Mar 21 2020, 10:05 PM

Get your money back and look for another car, without doubt

Posted by: Craigers17 Mar 22 2020, 02:26 AM

....Let's just jump to the part where you get your money back.

I would start a new search using "nationwide craigslist" on your search engine.
That will take you to "searchtempest.com"
Perform a simple search on Porsche 914 under cars/trucks for sale with any 5 digit U.S.zip code and "any distance"

You can then peruse the entire Craigslist database of all Porsche 914's for sale in the U.S. in about 20 minutes. I would personally try to deal with individuals rather than dealers in general. Combine this with PPI's from guys on this forum and cars for sale on this forum, and I think you'll do better.

I don't know your personal parameters for a preferred car, but I've included 2 listings for what "appear to be" decent drivers...both seam reasonably priced and more solid than the car you're currently dealing with. Good luck....just my 2 cents...

https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/chesterfield-porsche-914/7097069377.html

https://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/d/omaha-nice-1972-porsche-914/7080494517.html

I have no affiliation with either car, but you can kinda tell by the pics that these guys actually drive their cars.


Sean Connery in "Rising Sun" :The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Find out what's fucked up and fix it. Nobody gets blamed. We're always after who fucked up. Their way is better.

Posted by: Superhawk996 Mar 22 2020, 07:27 AM

Gottta laugh when I see these ads that say no rust but don't show pictures of rockers removed, hell hole, or trunk av-943.gif

Posted by: Bleyseng Mar 22 2020, 08:05 AM

Both cars have that cheap ass EMPI 4 tip exhaust which seems to be supercheapo way out. Yeah, no engine, hellhole or long pics but the cars show pretty well otherwise for $10k

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 22 2020, 08:33 AM

I know what to do! I love all your support. Thank you guys for that. beerchug.gif

Since the site already has done so much for me I just became a patron to at least give this forum back on what it gave me so far.


But even though I'm in a situation with BHCC, please keep this from becoming a ranting thread about BHCC. They do not have the opportunity to react or defend themselves.

So since we're still in a proces I started it's only fair to them to see this trough to the end. And hopefully it works out for the best.

Posted by: Coondog Mar 22 2020, 08:46 AM

Unless there’s some dealer exception I don’t know about, nobody’s going to the DMV anytime soon....

Calif DMV website

California is in a State of Emergency, use other service options to complete your DMV transactions. Beginning March 16, 2020, DMV allows customers to avoid coming to a DMV office for 60 days.
Effective immediately, customers whose transactions require an in-office visit will be served on an appointment-only basis and currently there are no appointments available. Continue to check the DMV website for the most current information.

Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 22 2020, 09:33 AM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 21 2020, 03:16 PM) *

I'm tempted to go for 2. but I think I can't come up that much. What would be reasonable price for that car? I think I can come up to about 17K excl shipping maybe 18 if I stretch it thin.


Take your time, with COVID-19 nothing is going to happening quick now anyways.
I'd say try to scrape a bit more cash together, take your time looking and get the best car you can. PPI is a must, only exception is from a trusted fellow member. Even if you have to borrow cash, then you can drive a sorted 914 today, not 4 years from now.
Unfortunately for a buyer good sorted 914 prices have gone up quite a bit, we'll see if there's any panic selling of classic cars in the coming months.

Posted by: Bmw635 Mar 22 2020, 09:40 AM

QUOTE(Coondog @ Mar 22 2020, 09:46 AM) *

Unless there’s some dealer exception I don’t know about, nobody’s going to the DMV anytime soon....

Calif DMV website

California is in a State of Emergency, use other service options to complete your DMV transactions. Beginning March 16, 2020, DMV allows customers to avoid coming to a DMV office for 60 days.
Effective immediately, customers whose transactions require an in-office visit will be served on an appointment-only basis and currently there are no appointments available. Continue to check the DMV website for the most current information.


If they’re a LICENSED dealer, they should have computer access to submit document, print paper plate within 1 hr of transaction. Since they have to do this manually, probably are not licensed.

About 4 yrs ago, there was a Costa Mesa dealer scam involving high end cars and the dealer owner happens to live on my street. He sells Lamborghini, Ferrari, MB, Porsche owned and on consignment. A consignment BMW M6 got sold to 3 different people: one got car but no title, another got title only, 3rd sent the fund in for purchase then wait....., M6 owner signed over the title to sell but got no car or fund. Another Ferrari owner in Midwest paid for a car but it never ship- long discussion on Ferrarichat including rumors of hit men out for the dealer owner. There were several other vehicles involved but I only know the BMW and Ferrari because I know the people and the situation. He even had armguards at the empty house 24/7 for couple weeks.

While perusing Ferrarichat, I found another dealer in Costa Mesa pulled the same stunt.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ferrarichat+bellagio+motor&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

https://www.fi-magazine.com/321762/calif-dealer-sentenced-to-13-years-for-embezzlement

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/oc-car-scam.179890/

Posted by: RenoRoger Mar 22 2020, 02:11 PM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 22 2020, 06:33 AM) *

I know what to do! I love all your support. Thank you guys for that. beerchug.gif

Since the site already has done so much for me I just became a patron to at least give this forum back on what it gave me so far.


But even though I'm in a situation with BHCC, please keep this from becoming a ranting thread about BHCC. They do not have the opportunity to react or defend themselves.

So since we're still in a proces I started it's only fair to them to see this trough to the end. And hopefully it works out for the best.

Here are my .02 cents:

Coronavirus aside, the dealer has the money but is unable to deliver a clear title within a reasonable amount of time, the dealer must provide a full refund. Period.

What you need is a personal representative in California who knows California consumer protection laws and has a power of attorney to handle this matter for you. Face to face with BHCC. Is there a lawyer within 914World who is willing to handle this pro bono?? Otherwise, stay away from lawyers...too expensive. Anyone in SoCal willing to shoulder this responsibility?


P.S.
DMV California is still working. I received a sailboat renewal registration yesterday, 21 March, which was processed on 17 March. Not counting mailing time, it took them 5 weeks.

Posted by: Bmw635 Mar 22 2020, 02:48 PM

No need for lawyer as CA DMV is pretty good at enforcing law and cracking down unlicensed dealer. File a complaint with DMV for failure to provide documentations upon purchase as all dealers must provide documentations AND paper license plate at close of transaction. If I go dealer right now, Sunday, and buy a car pay the dealer, dealer must give me paper plate and owners documentation so I can drive the car home today.

If a dealer can't do that then probably not licensed by DMV so I question the legitimacy of the business.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 22 2020, 05:45 PM

QUOTE(Bmw635 @ Mar 22 2020, 10:40 AM) *


If they’re a LICENSED dealer, they should have computer access to submit document, print paper plate within 1 hr of transaction. Since they have to do this manually, probably are not licensed.


It is not helpful to speculate and make stuff up.

Please read the thread as to the situation.

Posted by: burton73 Mar 22 2020, 07:05 PM

I am not happy for you and I do not know what you paid for the yellow car but the Silver car looks pretty good from the pictures. Engen rebuild and a number of other things done would make a 73 2.0 a good value at $24M or 25,000 if the car is nice in person. If Tom would go and CK out this car for you that would be great. BHCC did not do the rebuild of Eng. and I know nothing of the Co. that rebuilt it and who did the machining of the Eng.

We are shut down in LA and CA as you must know. When I shipped Danny (Dax) his cars to Belgium a couple of years ago, the company that handled it for him was easy to deal with and this came to me on the 19th Good luck 914 Buddy
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Posted by: Bmw635 Mar 22 2020, 08:27 PM

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 22 2020, 06:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Bmw635 @ Mar 22 2020, 10:40 AM) *


If they’re a LICENSED dealer, they should have computer access to submit document, print paper plate within 1 hr of transaction. Since they have to do this manually, probably are not licensed.


It is not helpful to speculate and make stuff up.

Please read the thread as to the situation.


I am just stating the fact: car dealer in CA must have dealer license. Dealer have the ability to submit documents and PRINT paper plate so customer can drive away. How efficient for a car dealer that sells 1 car a week to walk in to DMV and wait inline each week while making customer wait couple days to come back and pickup their car?

I can have registration submitted AND print a paper plate on the spot so customer can leave within 1 hour with any vehicle of their choice at 5pm Sunday.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 22 2020, 08:30 PM

QUOTE(Bmw635 @ Mar 22 2020, 09:27 PM) *

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 22 2020, 06:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Bmw635 @ Mar 22 2020, 10:40 AM) *


If they’re a LICENSED dealer, they should have computer access to submit document, print paper plate within 1 hr of transaction. Since they have to do this manually, probably are not licensed.


It is not helpful to speculate and make stuff up.

Please read the thread as to the situation.


I am just stating the fact: car dealer in CA must have dealer license. Dealer have the ability to submit documents and PRINT paper plate so customer can drive away. How efficient for a car dealer that sells 1 car a week to walk in to DMV and wait inline each week while making customer wait couple days to come back and pickup their car?

I can have registration submitted AND print a paper plate on the spot so customer can leave within 1 hour with any vehicle of their choice.


True, and utterly irrelevant to the situation at hand which I why I said you should not speculate and make stuff up.



Posted by: Coondog Mar 22 2020, 08:44 PM

QUOTE(Bmw635 @ Mar 22 2020, 07:27 PM) *

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 22 2020, 06:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Bmw635 @ Mar 22 2020, 10:40 AM) *


If they’re a LICENSED dealer, they should have computer access to submit document, print paper plate within 1 hr of transaction. Since they have to do this manually, probably are not licensed.


It is not helpful to speculate and make stuff up.

Please read the thread as to the situation.


I am just stating the fact: car dealer in CA must have dealer license. Dealer have the ability to submit documents and PRINT paper plate so customer can drive away. How efficient for a car dealer that sells 1 car a week to walk in to DMV and wait inline each week while making customer wait couple days to come back and pickup their car?

I can have registration submitted AND print a paper plate on the spot so customer can leave within 1 hour with any vehicle of their choice at 5pm Sunday.



Car needs to have a DMV verification of the vin as it was a out of state car. That’s why they have to physically take the car to the DMV. But with no appointments available this isn’t going to happen.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 22 2020, 09:03 PM

Took a whole 2 minutes to find and validate.

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Posted by: Bmw635 Mar 22 2020, 09:15 PM

CHP office can do VIN verification- drive in and request, no appt needed.

Posted by: r_towle Mar 22 2020, 09:21 PM

Vin verification has been done
Dealer can print a plate, but not a title.
Title required to ship overseas.
DMV closed for a while, unless it’s simple online transactions
I suspect title work requires an appt now.

You sure got into a messy thing with bad timing.
I would suggest you get a refund.

Posted by: Bmw635 Mar 22 2020, 09:46 PM

QUOTE(r_towle @ Mar 22 2020, 10:21 PM) *

Vin verification has been done
Dealer can print a plate, but not a title.
Title required to ship overseas.
DMV closed for a while, unless it’s simple online transactions
I suspect title work requires an appt now.

You sure got into a messy thing with bad timing.
I would suggest you get a refund.



Thank you for the details, I did not see these progressions, just a lot of excuses.

Dealer or AAA club ( may be closed for now) can submit docs online. Paper docs can be mailed in to be processed in Sacramento, takes 7 days. Did the smog last Sat, got my docs and sticker yesterday.

Had appt at DMV on Mar 10 to transfer and register vessel, title and sticker arrives the following week.

BTW, both of these transactions are personal so dealer should be same or quicker responses.

Posted by: 914_7T3 Mar 22 2020, 10:26 PM

Notwithstanding what the car is or is not, you can try calling the DMV direct in Sacramento (916) 657-8035 and speak to one of their techs. They are super helpful and knowledgeable. Hopefully you can get someone on the phone who can walk you through the process first hand.

I’ve had great experiences when calling HQ. Good luck to you for a successful outcome.

Posted by: Larmo63 Mar 22 2020, 10:31 PM

Have you seen the rust buckets TDSkip buys? chair.gif You wouldn't want him to do a PPI for you.

Get your money back and keep saving for the right car.

BHCC has a bad name, I don't care what anybody says.

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 23 2020, 02:34 AM

Ok guys, no news yet, but looking forward already!

I got a tip from a fellow forum member about this car:
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Porsche-914-targa/324104472480?hash=item4b7621c7a0:g:b3YAAOSw~upebj6e

Before rushing in to another bad buy, what do you guys think?!

When I was researching the color I found https://barnfinds.com/paint-to-sample-survivor-1975-porsche-914/.

Is somebody willing to inspect that car for me? If so please contact me!

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 23 2020, 05:45 AM

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Mar 22 2020, 11:31 PM) *

Have you seen the rust buckets TDSkip buys? chair.gif You wouldn't want him to do a PPI for you.

Get your money back and keep saving for the right car.

BHCC has a bad name, I don't care what anybody says.


Assuming you are kidding, because otherwise you are kind of being obnoxious not to mention just wrong. I like saving cars and don’t mind metal work, that doesn’t mean I don’t know that I am buying and why. I’ve put four back on the road (with lots of coaching from the community here)....

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 23 2020, 05:49 AM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 23 2020, 03:34 AM) *

Ok guys, no news yet, but looking forward already!

I got a tip from a fellow forum member @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=16048 about this car:
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Porsche-914-targa/324104472480?hash=item4b7621c7a0:g:b3YAAOSw~upebj6e

Before rushing in to another bad buy, what do you guys think?!

When I was researching the color I found https://barnfinds.com/paint-to-sample-survivor-1975-porsche-914/.

Is somebody willing to inspect that car for me? If so please contact me!


That sure looks like Copper Metallic rather than a paint to sample color on it now.

Think that was on barn finds, obviously you need to decide if you want a big bumper car.

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 23 2020, 05:59 AM

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 23 2020, 03:49 AM) *

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 23 2020, 03:34 AM) *

Ok guys, no news yet, but looking forward already!

I got a tip from a fellow forum member @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=16048 about this car:
IPB Image

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Porsche-914-targa/324104472480?hash=item4b7621c7a0:g:b3YAAOSw~upebj6e

Before rushing in to another bad buy, what do you guys think?!

When I was researching the color I found https://barnfinds.com/paint-to-sample-survivor-1975-porsche-914/.

Is somebody willing to inspect that car for me? If so please contact me!


That sure looks like Copper Metallic rather than a paint to sample color on it now.

Think that was on barn finds, obviously you need to decide if you want a big bumper car.

I don't want a big bumper car, IF I were to buy that car I would ship it with chrome bumper set from AA.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 23 2020, 06:01 AM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 23 2020, 06:59 AM) *

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 23 2020, 03:49 AM) *

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 23 2020, 03:34 AM) *

Ok guys, no news yet, but looking forward already!

I got a tip from a fellow forum member @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=16048 about this car:
IPB Image

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Porsche-914-targa/324104472480?hash=item4b7621c7a0:g:b3YAAOSw~upebj6e

Before rushing in to another bad buy, what do you guys think?!

When I was researching the color I found https://barnfinds.com/paint-to-sample-survivor-1975-porsche-914/.

Is somebody willing to inspect that car for me? If so please contact me!


That sure looks like Copper Metallic rather than a paint to sample color on it now.

Think that was on barn finds, obviously you need to decide if you want a big bumper car.

I don't want a big bumper car, IF I were to buy that car I would ship it with chrome bumper set from AA.


While it is more fun to look I’d suggest getting whatever you decide to do with BHCC sorted, it’s going to likely be a bit of a buyers market for classics over the next 6 months. Buy as close to the final car you want as your can.

Posted by: 914Next Mar 23 2020, 06:36 AM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 23 2020, 04:34 AM) *

Ok guys, no news yet, but looking forward already!

I got a tip from a fellow forum member @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=16048 about this car:
IPB Image

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Porsche-914-targa/324104472480?hash=item4b7621c7a0:g:b3YAAOSw~upebj6e

Before rushing in to another bad buy, what do you guys think?!

When I was researching the color I found https://barnfinds.com/paint-to-sample-survivor-1975-porsche-914/.

Is somebody willing to inspect that car for me? If so please contact me!


I can't speak from personal experience but please research LostTreasure on this sight before moving forward any further on this car. Make an informed decision.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 23 2020, 06:41 AM

QUOTE

I can't speak from personal experience but please research LostTreasure on this sight before moving forward any further on this car. Make an informed decision.


+1

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 23 2020, 06:52 AM

Thanks... so the links were right.

I guess it's not that easy buying a clean teener. sad.gif

Posted by: DRPHIL914 Mar 23 2020, 07:24 AM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 23 2020, 08:52 AM) *

Thanks... so the links were right.

I guess it's not that easy buying a clean teener. sad.gif



correct and due to more sellers jumping into the 914world of cars due to values going up we have even more that cant be trusted. you should not buy from anyone unknown to the community here or without having a full PPI or putting your eyes on it!!
now, i have a 75 914 2.o appearance group car, code L99K which is the code for Copper metallic, only available by special order in 1975 only. this looks like copper metallic and it is a rare color. I know of one last year that went from Florida to your area in Europe, mine, Jim Hoyland's car in So Cal ( he is selling soon so contact him if you want a know car that's well taken care of) and there is one being sold by 914ltd in Peoria Illinois, it his own car and has backdated bumpers but otherwise is an unmolested copper metallic car owned by a professional Porsche 914 specialist/mechanic!! i Say buy that car and you will know exactly what you are getting, from Brad - Brad Mayeur -https://914ltd.com/

so there you go.

Phil

Posted by: SteveL Mar 23 2020, 08:07 AM

Brad Mayeur has a great reputation, and I would feel comfortable buying fro him for sure.

Posted by: mepstein Mar 23 2020, 08:08 AM

QUOTE(SteveL @ Mar 23 2020, 10:07 AM) *

Brad Mayeur has a great reputation, and I would feel comfortable buying fro him for sure.

agree.gif

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 23 2020, 08:29 AM

Gave Brad a call. Nice guy!
He agreed to drop me a note if he's got something in my price range.

Posted by: jagalyn Mar 23 2020, 09:13 AM

Get out of the current deal before getting into any other deal.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 23 2020, 09:47 AM

QUOTE(jagalyn @ Mar 23 2020, 10:13 AM) *

Get out of the current deal before getting into any other deal.

^^^^
This is excellent advice

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 23 2020, 10:22 AM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Mar 23 2020, 07:52 AM) *

Thanks... so the links were right.

I guess it's not that easy buying a clean teener. sad.gif



I'd slightly disagree here, there are plenty of good cars available but takes more money than previously. Significantly more money than 3 years ago...and not everyone can swing that. I wish the prices didn't move so much so as many new owners could jump in as possible but prices have. So you either have to pay up or take a different approach.

My approach - which isn't something I'd recommend frankly - has been acquire a small fleet of cars that have good bones but need things what would put other people off. I weld and have access to a fabrication shop. I have the space, Hagerty insurance makes it cheap to have them in run around town for cheap mode.

I deliberately chose challenging cars since it forces me to really learn and develop new skills. I also deliberately chose cars that had different configurations and trajectories as to what they "wanted" to be so I'd learn as much as possible.

My rule of thumb is to buy the best, but if not then buy what other people dismiss as the worst but actually have a good core when you look more closely. The recent racecar was just for fun and hard to lose money on (it was a nice bonus that it runs and drives now), but prior to that I paid $2,500 for an AZ car with outstanding longs and trunk that just needed some metal repair where the AC lines had been run. Never been hit, all the factory welds in place, but didn't run right and needed everything. Scruffy as heck but all of that gets replaced before you use the cars for touring events (as I do) anyway. The cars get banged up on that stuff so having a really nice one - which many people here do and have amazing work on - just isn’t my goal.

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Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 23 2020, 12:21 PM

I'd second 914LTD,
Brad has been a stand up guy and a Porsche tech for years. A straight shooter.
His reputation proceeds him.

Posted by: Larmo63 Mar 24 2020, 07:00 PM

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 23 2020, 04:45 AM) *

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Mar 22 2020, 11:31 PM) *

Have you seen the rust buckets TDSkip buys? chair.gif You wouldn't want him to do a PPI for you.

Get your money back and keep saving for the right car.

BHCC has a bad name, I don't care what anybody says.


Assuming you are kidding, because otherwise you are kind of being obnoxious not to mention just wrong. I like saving cars and don’t mind metal work, that doesn’t mean I don’t know that I am buying and why. I’ve put four back on the road (with lots of coaching from the community here)....


Kidding you poke.gif , not kidding about BHCC.

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 25 2020, 03:03 AM

Yesterday another page was added to this never ending story.

Sunday I mailed BHCC with an proposal that they keep 5% of the purchase value and cancel the deal. They refused. Yesterday the said the papers weren in to file for a new title. I have actually seen a document this time and it was indeed dated on 03/23/2020.

Like you already know, at this time I lost all interest in the car. So I made them a new proposal to pay 10% of the purchase price. Waiting on their response right now.

Hopefully they will accept that offer. If not I will sit this out and try to sell the car once it's here. If it ever does...

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 25 2020, 07:01 AM

04? As in April? That would make the title like a post dated check. Worthless...sorry for your woes. BHCC has you by the short hairs.

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 25 2020, 09:21 AM

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Mar 25 2020, 05:01 AM) *

04? As in April? That would make the title like a post dated check. Worthless...sorry for your woes. BHCC has you by the short hairs.

Sorry 3. Fixed it.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 25 2020, 09:36 AM

Can someone post pictures of the car underneath? It looks pretty nice externally.

Posted by: mrholland2 Mar 25 2020, 09:41 AM

https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1974-porsche-914-c-10551.htm


QUOTE(mb911 @ Mar 25 2020, 08:36 AM) *

Can someone post pictures of the car underneath? It looks pretty nice externally.


Posted by: mb911 Mar 25 2020, 09:46 AM

Gosh doesn't look that bad.. I don't recall seeing a price but looks like a door jamb, maybe hell hole and trunk floor.. I am sure they will come through on this sale as the market is tanked worldwide.. They need to make the sale..

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 25 2020, 10:10 AM

Unless I've read it wrong, they already have the money. The stall is on the title and then what ever is involved with transport to Long Beach(?) and then wherever in Europe. I would not fancy that ordeal one bit. The rust stains weeping out the bottom from behind the rockers is disheartening.

Posted by: oldschool Mar 25 2020, 02:39 PM

WOW! read the post update...

Posted by: jagalyn Mar 25 2020, 03:00 PM

QUOTE(mb911 @ Mar 25 2020, 07:46 AM) *

Gosh doesn't look that bad.. I don't recall seeing a price but looks like a door jamb, maybe hell hole and trunk floor.. I am sure they will come through on this sale as the market is tanked worldwide.. They need to make the sale..


Rust Everywhere.

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Posted by: mb911 Mar 25 2020, 04:22 PM

Man that's nothing.. Have you seen my thread @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20845 or @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=22428 threads? Its not terribly bad for this day an age.

Posted by: jagalyn Mar 25 2020, 05:37 PM

QUOTE(mb911 @ Mar 25 2020, 02:22 PM) *

Man that's nothing.. Have you seen my thread @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20845 or @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=22428 threads? Its not terribly bad for this day an age.



Yep... Especially for you. You've got the skills.

But, this is just the tip of the iceberg. If rust is coming though in so many places, it's only going to get deeper and deeper once you dig into it. And that is not knowing anything about the hell hole or the longs.

Would be better to find a solid body needing mechanical help... that's all.

Posted by: RenoRoger Mar 25 2020, 10:22 PM

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Feb 13 2020, 09:46 AM) *

QUOTE(Steve @ Feb 13 2020, 07:09 AM) *

If you have all the pictures, post them here for honest feedback. Lots of threads on BHCC, but I don't remember seeing one on this car. Naturally people post the crappy one's for entertainment.

Most can be found here: https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1974-porsche-914-c-10551.htm


Any dealer or private party that accepts payment for a car that is to be registered and driven without being able to furnish a clean transferable title is dishonest. This transaction needs to be reversed. The dealer needs to be reported to the DMV and the Attorney General of California for appropriate action.

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 26 2020, 06:07 AM

QUOTE(RenoRoger @ Mar 25 2020, 08:22 PM) *

QUOTE(911GT2 @ Feb 13 2020, 09:46 AM) *

QUOTE(Steve @ Feb 13 2020, 07:09 AM) *

If you have all the pictures, post them here for honest feedback. Lots of threads on BHCC, but I don't remember seeing one on this car. Naturally people post the crappy one's for entertainment.

Most can be found here: https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1974-porsche-914-c-10551.htm


Any dealer or private party that accepts payment for a car that is to be registered and driven without being able to furnish a clean transferable title is dishonest. This transaction needs to be reversed. The dealer needs to be reported to the DMV and the Attorney General of California for appropriate action.

And do you have source of this?
Because right now I can't find anything like that on the site of the DMV, nor can I find something like that on any consumer advise sites.

As long as I don't have anything written to prove otherwise I have no real leverage on them.

That's my main issue right now. Everybody is helping me with good advice on what to to, but there is never any confirmation or source what could be used as leverage.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 26 2020, 07:51 AM

QUOTE(RenoRoger @ Mar 25 2020, 11:22 PM) *

Any dealer or private party that accepts payment for a car that is to be registered and driven without being able to furnish a clean transferable title is dishonest. This transaction needs to be reversed. The dealer needs to be reported to the DMV and the Attorney General of California for appropriate action.


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=12370 - we've been over this, it is a different situation and making blanket statement that don't apply doesn't help anyone.

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=12773 - you either wait or find something in California law that applies, otherwise you throw money at it. While unfortunate this isn't unprecedented by any means and unless you can show bad faith or a huge (like year not weeks) amount of time without performance you are stuck with your deal.

What would be helpful is if there is anything in the California statutes that gives a dealer a time window, regardless of the cause of the delay, to delivery title on a preowned car. I've never had to track that down, if anyone has a specific statutory reference please post it.

I'll look this morning.

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 26 2020, 08:02 AM

Well this took all of 30 seconds on Google to find.

I am not an attorney, but it appears this transaction is covered by the following statute. I'd suggest anyone wanting to make an inflammatory statement read this and then carefully re-read section D before posting.

Vehicle Code - VEH
DIVISION 3. REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES AND CERTIFICATES OF TITLE [4000 - 9808] ( Division 3 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

CHAPTER 2. Transfers of Title or Interest [5600 - 6105] ( Chapter 2 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=5753

(a) It is unlawful for any person to fail or neglect properly to endorse, date, and deliver the certificate of ownership and, when having possession, to deliver the registration card to a transferee who is lawfully entitled to a transfer of registration.

(b) Except when the certificate of ownership is demanded in writing by a purchaser, a vehicle dealer licensed under this code shall satisfy the delivery requirement of this section by submitting appropriate documents and fees to the department for transfer of registration in accordance with Sections 5906 and 4456 of this code and rules and regulations promulgated thereunder.

© (1) Within 15 business days after receiving payment in full for the satisfaction of a security interest and a written instrument signed by the grantor of the security interest designating the transferee and authorizing release of the legal owner’s interest, the legal owner shall release its security interest and mail, transmit, or deliver the vehicle’s certificate of ownership to the transferee who, due to satisfaction of the security interest, is lawfully entitled to the transfer of legal ownership.

(2) If a lease provides a lessee with the option to purchase the leased vehicle, within 15 business days after receiving payment in full for the purchase, and all documents necessary to effect the transfer, the lessor shall mail, transmit, or deliver the vehicle’s certificate of ownership to the transferee, who, due to purchase of the vehicle, is lawfully entitled to the transfer of legal ownership.

(d) The certificate of ownership delivered pursuant to subdivision © shall be signed by the legal owner or lessor to reflect release of the legal owner’s interest or transfer of the lessor’s interest in the vehicle or accompanied by a form provided by the department to accomplish the same result and signed by the legal owner or lessor. If the legal owner or lessor is not in possession or control of the certificate of ownership, the legal owner or lessor shall, within the time provided in subdivision © for the mailing, transmittal, or delivery of the certificate of ownership, take any action required by the department to release the legal owner’s security interest or transfer the lessor’s interest in the vehicle and within that time shall mail, transmit, or deliver written notice of its taking that action to the transferee.

(e) A legal owner or lessor that fails to satisfy the requirements of subdivisions © and (d), shall, without offset or reduction, pay the transferee twenty-five dollars ($25) per day for each day that the requirements of subdivisions © and (d) remain unsatisfied, not to exceed a maximum payment of two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500). If the legal owner or lessor fails to pay this amount within 60 days following written demand by the transferee, the amount shall be trebled, not to exceed a maximum payment of seven thousand five hundred dollars ($7,500), and the transferee shall be entitled to costs and reasonable attorneys fees incurred in any court action brought to collect the payment. The right to recover these payments is cumulative with and is not in substitution or derogation of any remedy otherwise available at law or equity.

(f) A legal owner, upon written request of the transferee, shall disclose any pertinent information regarding the amount of payment and the documents necessary to release the obligation secured by the legal owner’s interest.
(Amended by Stats. 2003, Ch. 151, Sec. 2. Effective January 1, 2004.)

Posted by: rjames Mar 26 2020, 10:10 AM

I hate legal speak. Totally excludes a segment of the population from understanding their rights (that includes me dry.gif ).

So does that all of that mean that they had 15 days to get the title before incurring monetary penalties? If yes, that time has passed.


Posted by: Tdskip Mar 26 2020, 10:28 AM

QUOTE(rjames @ Mar 26 2020, 11:10 AM) *

I hate legal speak. Totally excludes a segment of the population from understanding their rights (that includes me dry.gif ).

So does that all of that mean that they had 15 days to get the title before incurring monetary penalties? If yes, that time has passed.


Good morning. Don't think so, I read it as (and I may well be wrong) that as long as they are making an effort in the 15 days to secure a title they are within the provisions.

Posted by: Superhawk996 Mar 26 2020, 10:47 AM

QUOTE(Tdskip @ Mar 26 2020, 12:28 PM) *

QUOTE(rjames @ Mar 26 2020, 11:10 AM) *

I hate legal speak. Totally excludes a segment of the population from understanding their rights (that includes me dry.gif ).

So does that all of that mean that they had 15 days to get the title before incurring monetary penalties? If yes, that time has passed.


Good morning. Don't think so, I read it as (and I may well be wrong) that as long as they are making an effort in the 15 days to secure a title they are within the provisions.


Need a lawyer for the final say so. I read it as they have 15 days after reciept of payment as rjames does to tranfer title or they begin incurring penalty.

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 26 2020, 10:57 AM

Where's a lawyer when you need one? So many? Perhaps not helpful. I don't get if BHCC secured(changed title. Or some California rule exemption) from the seller to them. They can take payment on a car that is not titled to the LLC?

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 26 2020, 11:02 AM

".. take any action required by the department to release the legal owner’s security interest or transfer the lessor’s interest in the vehicle and within that time shall mail, transmit, or deliver written notice of its taking that action to the transferee."

Pretty sure this says they need to take action within 15 days and inform the buyer, they've done that.

Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 26 2020, 11:12 AM

That makes BHCC more of a consignment shop rather than a dealership? The meter starts running when a buyer comes forward?

There's lessons to be learned. Makes well represented private party cars here a lot less work.

Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 26 2020, 11:18 AM

Yeah so the main question is what counts as 'the certificate of ownership' because I think they could do that if it weren't a NY title.

So what they did is sold me a car with a title that couldn't be used for me and then started fixing it.

Not sure if that counts as not transferring the title? confused24.gif

Update:
The reaction of BHCC:

QUOTE
I understand what you are saying however it is not that I have the title and I’m not giving it to you. I’m waiting for DMV to send me the title. Same entity who came up with the rule which you sent me. They are the ones who are delaying the process. And now they are using coronavirus excuse. Believe me if it was in my hand it was done long time ago. Unfraternally I have to wait for same government who makes up these rules.

Posted by: Superhawk996 Mar 26 2020, 02:00 PM

$200 to consult with a lawyer would be well spent to understand CA law and your rights IMHO unless we have one on the board that can step up and chime in.


Posted by: 911GT2 Mar 26 2020, 02:15 PM

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Mar 26 2020, 12:00 PM) *

$200 to consult with a lawyer would be well spent to understand CA law and your rights IMHO unless we have one on the board that can step up and chime in.

I tried calling some... They won't return my calls.
At it again later today!

Posted by: Tdskip Mar 26 2020, 03:16 PM

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Mar 26 2020, 12:12 PM) *

That makes BHCC more of a consignment shop rather than a dealership? The meter starts running when a buyer comes forward?

There's lessons to be learned. Makes well represented private party cars here a lot less work.


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=378 - hope you are doing well. Don't think so, issue is specific to this car and interaction of NY/CA laws over exporting the car. If this was a inside USA transaction they would have just handed the existing title over at time of sale and this thread would never have happened.

My Jensen purchase, as I noted elsewhere, was super easy and totally normal.


Posted by: djway Mar 26 2020, 09:34 PM

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/dmv/offices/investigationsoffice
DMV Investigations
After one to this office I had enough information that the dealer was going to owe me money. Problem went away.
Good place to start.

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