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Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 17 2020, 01:11 AM
We have been working with Vintage speed to try to put together a GB and we finally got numbers together. The catch, we need 25 units to make it happen. We will be bringing them over ocean freight, so the final numbers will be in shipping, but will be much cheaper than bringing in individually.
I have seen some of their work, and will have a sample prior to the shipment. I've been real happy with what I have seen so far, and think these would be a great option to the current options.
Who's in?
List is $693 without shipping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb07sMAJJ7s&feature=youtu.be
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Posted by: bdstone914 Mar 17 2020, 03:46 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348
That one looks like a 2.0L.
Are both 2.0 and 1.7 - 1.8 planned? No 75-76 types?
Posted by: mb911 Mar 17 2020, 05:52 AM
I would have been happy/ thrilled to work with you on these..
Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 17 2020, 09:56 AM
Still not too late Ben
Posted by: mb911 Mar 17 2020, 10:06 AM
Still not too late Ben
Pm sent.. Lets do this
Posted by: Mark Henry Mar 17 2020, 10:36 AM
I'm looking for a VS one for my '67 bus, but if you do a deal with Ben I'd likely be interested in a /6 muffler.
Posted by: KSCarrera Mar 17 2020, 11:22 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348
That one looks like a 2.0L.
Are both 2.0 and 1.7 - 1.8 planned? No 75-76 types?
MT (owner of Vintage Speed) made the first one you see here for me and then I suggested there might be a wider market for them. Hence, the first is a 2.0-litre type but what MT was asking is if anyone has a stock 1.7 muffler in good condition that he can use as a pattern for measurements etc. Knowing MT, he'll look to widen the range eventually – if you check his range of VW mufflers, you'll see what I mean.
Best thing is to drop him an e-mail: shop@vintagespeed.com.tw. or call +886 4 2359 2422 - or message through the Vintage Speed Facebook page
Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 17 2020, 02:32 PM
I would rather support Ben and I hope 914 Rubber and Ben can get together on this and make it happen. Ben's products are top drawer and he stands behind his work. 
Posted by: djway Mar 17 2020, 05:44 PM
My 914 motor kinda accidentally fell into my Notchback.
Depending on the version I could use one.
Posted by: Coondog Mar 17 2020, 06:02 PM
I would rather support Ben and I hope 914 Rubber and Ben can get together on this and make it happen. Ben's products are top drawer and he stands behind his work.
100% agree.
Posted by: framos914 Mar 17 2020, 08:00 PM
I would be interested. Will look for updates on final version
Posted by: DucRS Mar 17 2020, 10:28 PM
I too would be interested for a 2.0
Posted by: davehg Mar 17 2020, 11:06 PM
For me, looks are important but how it sounds and performs are key. It would help if you could post more details on performance. These look quite exquisite, very jewel like especially the exhaust ports. A sound sample would absolutely help, as the note is pretty key. At least for me it is - exhausts have such a distinct tone that it is hard to spend that kind of money without hearing them via a video sample.
I have two of Ben’s stainless mufflers - a single pipe outlet and his dual pipe GT version, plus his flat six header/heat exchangers. They are wonderfully crafted, with beautiful welds, and they really look the business.
I am looking forward to hear how Ben’s headers and single pipe version perform on my 2.7 twin plug, but that is a ways off as the restoration is on a slower track for a few months, and I have yet to hear the sound of the single pipe exhaust.
I did put 1600 miles in four days (road trip) on his GT dual pipe muffler on my injected 3.2 car and it is LOUD, probably too much so for me for the street, but would work fine for the track and really shrieks at full throttle (in a good way for the track, but less so when Officer friendly is nearby). I understand the latest GT versions may have been revised since mine was made and may be quieter with less drone in the 2500-4500 rpm range.
For the street, at least for my tastes, I love the tone of the Dansk mufflers which have a nice growl. I only wish the Dansk versions looked as nice as the Vintage or Ben’s mufflers, and for the price Ben offers these on the forum, it is hard to pay retail for a Dansk when for the same $$ you can get stainless. Plus, Ben has stepped up in support of the 914 community in many other projects, like his oil tanks and lines, and engine tins. I like supporting those kind of guys.
It sounds like the Vintage GB deal would only be for the four cylinder cars in any event.
Posted by: bdstone914 Mar 18 2020, 12:01 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21443
https://store.vintagespeed.com.tw/Classic-PORSCHE-c33996821
What exactly are you planning to bring in? They list six different mufflers for 914.
Not much info on any of them.
They have a chart on the site about sound but dont say how it relates to any of the 914 models.
By personal vote is working with Ben and a stock location exit. I hate the shin ripper pipes. They get grounded out on 914's when you transition to a angle like entering a driveway.
Posted by: davehg Mar 18 2020, 01:23 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21443
https://store.vintagespeed.com.tw/Classic-PORSCHE-c33996821
What exactly are you planning to bring in? They list six different mufflers for 914.
Not much info on any of them.
They have a chart on the site about sound but dont say how it relates to any of the 914 models.
Doesn’t look like they have a /6 option unless you go with the full headers for an early 911, and my they are pricey!. They should do a version with just the muffler only.
I will say, their exhaust ports/pipes on the end of the muffler look nice - I like how they are internally beveled.
Posted by: Superhawk996 Mar 18 2020, 03:32 PM
I too would be interested for a 2.0
Ben has already produced a 2.0L 914/4 stainless exhaust. Ready to roll. I purchased the first one. A hand crafted work of art.
Top notch build quality and is hand weld TIG which is the gold standard for Stainless Exhuast fabrication.
Posted by: 913B Mar 18 2020, 05:10 PM
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I may be interested.
Posted by: mb911 Mar 18 2020, 05:17 PM
Thanks for the support guys.. I talked with Mark and are looking at options. I won't muddy up this thread at all..
Posted by: porschetub Mar 18 2020, 11:10 PM
I would rather support Ben and I hope 914 Rubber and Ben can get together on this and make it happen. Ben's products are top drawer and he stands behind his work.
not much more to say really unsure why 914rubber has gone this direction.Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 19 2020, 05:00 AM
I would rather support Ben and I hope 914 Rubber and Ben can get together on this and make it happen. Ben's products are top drawer and he stands behind his work.
not much more to say really unsure why 914rubber has gone this direction.We simply didn’t have the collaboration to go any other way. We had been approached by a potential new vendor and simply are trying to support these cars.
Ben and I are currently in conversation as to what we can do to help develop a relationship to support his products. And yes, there will be a GB as we try to help him to develop a product line, even making some of the flanges he will need to make them.
So yes we left this up as we have been working with this vendor. And yes if you really want one of these sign up, we need 25 to make it work., and in fairness we will see where it goes.
However, do look for an announcement for a GB we will do with Ben. We have been a supporter of his for quite some time, just need to work out a few things.
Mark
Posted by: Superhawk996 Mar 19 2020, 06:20 AM
However, do look for an announcement for a GB we will do with Ben. We have been a supporter of his for quite some time, just need to work out a few things.
Mark
Posted by: yellowporky Apr 2 2020, 02:26 PM
I pulled my muffler out of storage and found out what i though was a 2,0 is a 1,7.
Now i need a 2,0 muffler option.
Interested to see what happens here.
Thanks
Posted by: mb911 Apr 2 2020, 03:00 PM
I already make 2.0 options
Posted by: yellowporky Apr 2 2020, 03:28 PM
Ben,
I sent you a pm
Thanks
Posted by: nickg Apr 19 2020, 06:35 PM
any sound clips? I would be interested
Posted by: Villemi Sep 13 2020, 02:25 PM
No news and sound of the Vintage speed on a 2.0l 914 ?
Posted by: mb911 Sep 13 2020, 02:26 PM
I think it fizzled out when folks realized I already make them.
Posted by: Bleyseng Sep 13 2020, 02:35 PM
No news and sound of the Vintage speed on a 2.0l 914 ?
All I know is baywindow bus guys have bought them and then sell them as they are loud. Gets old driving with a loud exhaust as well I know with my old Bursch. I am saving up for one of Ben's quiet SS exhausts.
Posted by: mepstein Sep 13 2020, 02:57 PM
No news and sound of the Vintage speed on a 2.0l 914 ?
I have both side and rear exit 2.0 stainless steel mufflers in stock and they are handmade in the USA by Ben’s/MB911 production shop. $550
1.7/1.8 coming soon - couple weeks.
914-6 - sold out but I’ll get more made if people want.
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Posted by: VaccaRabite Sep 14 2020, 06:19 AM
All I know is baywindow bus guys have bought them and then sell them as they are loud. Gets old driving with a loud exhaust as well I know with my old Bursch. I am saving up for one of Ben's quiet SS exhausts.
Its pretty awesome. I really like mine. So much quieter then the Triad I had on before.
Zach
Posted by: mepstein Sep 14 2020, 07:36 AM
All I know is baywindow bus guys have bought them and then sell them as they are loud. Gets old driving with a loud exhaust as well I know with my old Bursch. I am saving up for one of Ben's quiet SS exhausts.
Its pretty awesome. I really like mine. So much quieter then the Triad I had on before.
Zach
I remember reading on Marv's 3.6 thread that he said Ben's quiet muffler was one of the best upgrades he's made to his car and that's a guy who's running a built 993 engine and 915 trans.
Posted by: mlindner Sep 14 2020, 07:47 AM
Mikey914, Ben already has a better product built and supported in the US. You need this to get unfizzled. My 2 cents. Best, Mark
Posted by: Jake Raby Sep 14 2020, 11:21 AM
Ben has a great product.. heavy gauge stainless, and thick flanges that stay straight. Also, the baffles won't rattle loose, and fail.
Very impressed with everything that he has worked with me on over the years.
While others that built a reputation for having great stuff have made things from thinner materials, and cut corners, Ben has continued to keep things robust. I have fried his systems on the dyno, and seen EGT over 1400 degrees, without any flange warpage.
Posted by: mb911 Sep 14 2020, 02:29 PM
I think Mark and I 914rubber and 914-6werkshop.com are going to figure something out to benefit us all. Fingers crossed
Posted by: porsche914rick Sep 14 2020, 03:40 PM
Posted by: flat4guy Sep 14 2020, 06:14 PM
I have seen many of these in the VW world - good product with a nice sound. Is there one available for the 1.7?
Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 17 2020, 01:47 PM
So when I started this thread I intended to import thees directly and sell them. I may still do that as an option for those that want that specific part. But to support Ben's efforts also.
I have sense made a deal with Ben to stock and distribute his product. We will be bringing the 2.0 in 1st, and he's working on the 1.7 now.
Posted by: mlindner Sep 17 2020, 04:22 PM
Mikey914, excellent.
Posted by: Cbarbato Oct 5 2020, 11:05 AM
I’ll post this here as opposed to PM since all the experts are hanging around. I created a thread on Dansk Vs. Bursch for a replacement for my FI 1.7. Had the Bursch. Loved its tone and how it was raspy during shifts even though it was a little loud. Couldn’t get a replacement Bursch, bought a Dansk. Hate it. Too quite, too tinny, exhaust pipe goes in the wrong place and doesn’t work with an early valance so if I’m going to replace The valance anyways...
I here Ben makes nice things, is local (I’m in Chicago burbs), has an aviation background (so do I). The VS 1.7 dual tip looks awesome as well. I want something that sounds “sportscar” closer to the Bursch spectrum than Dansk.
Bursch and triad haters seem to love Ben’s product and always remark about its quietness and outstanding build quality, which is why I ask the question: If you want little pops and crackles when you let off the throttle and some loud which product do you go with, VS or Ben’s?
Posted by: mb911 Oct 5 2020, 02:34 PM
I’ll post this here as opposed to PM since all the experts are hanging around. I created a thread on Dansk Vs. Bursch for a replacement for my FI 1.7. Had the Bursch. Loved its tone and how it was raspy during shifts even though it was a little loud. Couldn’t get a replacement Bursch, bought a Dansk. Hate it. Too quite, too tinny, exhaust pipe goes in the wrong place and doesn’t work with an early valance so if I’m going to replace The valance anyways...
I here Ben makes nice things, is local (I’m in Chicago burbs), has an aviation background (so do I). The VS 1.7 dual tip looks awesome as well. I want something that sounds “sportscar” closer to the Bursch spectrum than Dansk.
Bursch and triad haters seem to love Ben’s product and always remark about its quietness and outstanding build quality, which is why I ask the question: If you want little pops and crackles when you let off the throttle and some loud which product do you go with, VS or Ben’s?
Just to clarify I make a sport muffler as well as a quiet muffler. Also note that 914 rubber now carries my mufflers as well.
Posted by: jim_hoyland Oct 5 2020, 02:52 PM
My Bursch is starting to rust. May be a candidate for one...
Posted by: mepstein Oct 5 2020, 03:21 PM
My Bursch is starting to rust. May be a candidate for one...
I have Ben’s 2.0 side exhaust in stock. 1.7 coming soon.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=643
Posted by: jim_hoyland Oct 5 2020, 09:21 PM
My Bursch is starting to rust. May be a candidate for one...
I have Ben’s 2.0 side exhaust in stock. 1.7 coming soon.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=643
Got it. Gonna have the bumpers for a backdating. Will shoot pics of my current set up; the valance is a FG holed one. Motor is 1.8 L-Jet with SS HES
Posted by: Gint Oct 5 2020, 09:46 PM
Is there a sound clip available of each? And does each have an O2 bung already installed? Thanks
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 6 2020, 12:16 AM
We will be testing and doing sound clips for these products once we have them.
-Mark
Posted by: Gint Oct 6 2020, 08:15 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 , @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=9892
Guys, do both models have O2 bungs?
Posted by: mepstein Oct 6 2020, 09:42 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 , @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=9892
Guys, do both models have O2 bungs?
They are available for $35
I have a pic of one that we just did for a customer- somewhere on my phone.
Posted by: Gint Oct 6 2020, 03:59 PM
I don't want to spend all the money on a beautifully welded stainless muffler and have to farm out welding an O2 bung on it. If it was included, it's a huge value add. At least to me. and a significant detail to state one way or another. Hence, the question.
Posted by: mepstein Oct 6 2020, 04:27 PM
I don't want to spend all the money on a beautifully welded stainless muffler and have to farm out welding an O2 bung on it. If it was included, it's a huge value add. At least to me. and a significant detail to state one way or another. Hence, the question.
Yes, If you want one, It's added when they build the muffler.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20
Posted by: mb911 Oct 6 2020, 04:27 PM
I don't want to spend all the money on a beautifully welded stainless muffler and have to farm out welding an O2 bung on it. If it was included, it's a huge value add. At least to me. and a significant detail to state one way or another. Hence, the question.
Very very few people request o2 bungs and if I included one with each muffler people would complain that they want a plug.. Best sampling is really the heat exchangers anyway.. I personally have sold thousands of mufflers over the years and can count on 1 hand how many want an o2 bung on the muffler.. Now when being built I can add the o2 bung to the build for $35 as Mark said.
Posted by: Gint Oct 6 2020, 04:32 PM
Thanks guys.
I suppose so. But I have on O2 bung on my triad and an AFR gauge in the car to help tune the carbs. And I REALLY want to go to FI at some point. Seems like more and more people are, or at least want to go this way.
I should add that either the triad is getting loud or I'm getting old. Or both. Considering a different mufflah solution. Not just flapping my upper exhaust port.
Posted by: KSCarrera Oct 7 2020, 09:23 AM
If anyone's interested, this is my Vintage Speed system – made to order to replicate tailpipe position of the Dansk I had previously fitted on my 2056/44IDF/SSI header combo. Came with two Lambda sensor bungs as stock, one each end. Quality and fit outstanding, far superior to the Dansk in every respect. Dansk too loud and raspy for my taste. On chassis dyno, power output identical at 130bhp on the nose, but VS much deeper, more mellow note and far less droning at speed. 
Here's the Dansk for comparison (with a similar VS muffler).
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 7 2020, 09:55 AM
I do have some of a Ben’s and the Vintage speed ones inbound, so both will be an option soon.
Mark
Posted by: Cbarbato Jan 13 2021, 11:12 PM
I do have some of a Ben’s and the Vintage speed ones inbound, so both will be an option soon.
Mark
Are either 1.7l versions available yet? Specifically interested in Ben’s twin-tip sport version.
Posted by: mepstein Jan 13 2021, 11:17 PM
I do have some of a Ben’s and the Vintage speed ones inbound, so both will be an option soon.
Mark
Are either 1.7l versions available yet? Specifically interested in Ben’s twin-tip sport version.
Yes. Ben’s 1.7 will start shipping next week.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=350226&hl=
Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 14 2021, 02:32 AM
We have some of Bens and some vintage speed ones in.
I'll post up pics of both and we will be selling both.
Mark
Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 15 2021, 10:58 AM
I now have both Ben's and the Vintage Speed Systems in stock
Here's Ben's Sport version
So if you need one right now PM me, otherwise these should be listed up next week.
Mark
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 15 2021, 10:58 AM
Another of Ben's
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 15 2021, 11:03 AM
Vintage speed's sport
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jan 15 2021, 11:03 AM
last one of these More to follow
PS the VS ones come with Bung plugs
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Posted by: pete000 Jan 15 2021, 02:01 PM
Those guys at VS can sure weld !
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