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Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 7 2005, 07:17 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_eu/britain_explosion
hear about this just a bit ago... 
Posted by: Jeroen Jul 7 2005, 07:36 AM
reports are very confusing/contradicting
latest "rumors" count 40 deaths and 150 seriously injured
bombing of 5 subwaystations and 3 busses
Posted by: tdgray Jul 7 2005, 07:39 AM
Deepest sympathies and prayers for our Bristish brothers and sisters.
Posted by: ajracer Jul 7 2005, 07:46 AM
Truly Agree !
Our "Deepest sympathies and prayers for our British brothers and sisters".
May God Bless and comfort each one in these difficult days; we all need to
work together and show compassion whenever and wherever needed.
Let us all realize what is really important and cherish it and make this world
a better place to live.
Allan
Posted by: xitspd Jul 7 2005, 07:49 AM
Jeroen,
Just got of the phone with friends in Manchester and London. 45 dead and over 1000 injured per SKY NEWS. It is a sad day in the UK one day after winning the Olympic bid for 2012. I had a office in the UK for 14 years. Today is their 911.
Posted by: Mueller Jul 7 2005, 07:53 AM
man, that sucks....just a matter of time before "something" happened.....my wife, her mom and sister are going to London in Dec, they are pretty nervous now as am I.....
Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 7 2005, 07:54 AM
3 blasts underground and one on a bus. london is shut down. the horror.
k
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 7 2005, 07:54 AM
my deepest sympathies to those lost and hurt... this is sad.
Posted by: grantsfo Jul 7 2005, 08:02 AM
Very sad. My prayers go out to all people hurt and to the families of the people killed. It will be interesting to see the British response and how greater Europe reacts to this senseless act.
Posted by: vortrex Jul 7 2005, 08:06 AM
wait until it happens in nyc, the time is coming.
Posted by: Howard Jul 7 2005, 08:18 AM
I get the feeling we will cross the political line here soon and admin will delete this thread. Let's take it http://narpracing.com/
Posted by: SLITS Jul 7 2005, 08:18 AM
I'm not going to say anything so that this doesn't turn political, but......
the perps deserve the above
Posted by: tdgray Jul 7 2005, 08:19 AM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Jul 7 2005, 10:06 AM) |
| wait until it happens in nyc, the time is coming. |
Blunt but true....
It is not "if" anymore but "when"
Truely sad state of affairs.
Posted by: Hawktel Jul 7 2005, 08:43 AM
CNN says 33 dead, and 300 injured now.
I'm sorry this came to Britain. I'm very sorry for them. I hope if there is anything the US can do for them, they would just ask.
On the good side, Lodon has alot of cameras. Hopefully something was caught, and is actionable. It won't bring back the 33, but hopefully they can obtain justice.
Posted by: vortrex Jul 7 2005, 08:48 AM
what does it really matter though? chances are the people who did this died. even if not, so you put a handful of people in jail. big deal. there is a line for as long as you can see of others willing to step up and do the same thing. maybe when this is happening on a daily or weekly occurence in nyc our gov will finally step up and do something about terrorism.
Posted by: nebreitling Jul 7 2005, 09:03 AM
whatever honest al. no one deserved this. don't be an ass.
very sad. had to call a few friends just now to make sure they were fine. they all are (whew), but my heart goes out to the victims and their families.
Posted by: "7" Jul 7 2005, 09:05 AM
| QUOTE (ajracer @ Jul 7 2005, 05:46 AM) |
| Truly Agree ! Our "Deepest sympathies and prayers for our British brothers and sisters". May God Bless and comfort each one in these difficult days; we all need to work together and show compassion whenever and wherever needed. Let us all realize what is really important and cherish it and make this world a better place to live. Allan |
...and then drop the BIG - ONE like we should have done already rather than send our young men & women into a middle east "Holy War".
Posted by: Jake Raby Jul 7 2005, 09:08 AM
Al,
no matter what the rules may have been these guys didn't deserve this.... Thats just wrong.
I have a ton of UK friends- there are tons of RAT engines there..
The things that I believe should be done to any person engaging in even the thought of terrorism are way too cruel and unusual to post......
We are walking the political line way too close on this one fellas!
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 7 2005, 09:09 AM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Jul 7 2005, 05:53 AM) |
| man, that sucks....just a matter of time before "something" happened.....my wife, her mom and sister are going to London in Dec, they are pretty nervous now as am I..... |
My sister and her family are leaving for London in a couple of weeks...
Wonder if that will happen now...
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 7 2005, 09:10 AM
| QUOTE (Honest_Al @ Jul 7 2005, 10:55 AM) |
| They are just reaping what they sowed when they changed their immigration laws. It was only about a month ago that I saw news footage of Muslims in Britain shouting “Death to Blair”. |
Alfred...fuck off
Posted by: Alison Baker Jul 7 2005, 09:12 AM
| QUOTE (Honest_Al @ Jul 7 2005, 06:55 AM) |
| They are just reaping what they sowed when they changed their immigration laws. It was only about a month ago that I saw news footage of Muslims in Britain shouting “Death to Blair”. |
Dont be such an ass about that.......I am orginally from Scotland UK and NOONE deserves anything......What do you say
about 9/11?
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jul 7 2005, 09:14 AM
| QUOTE (Honest_Al @ Jul 7 2005, 06:55 AM) |
| They are just reaping what they sowed when they changed their immigration laws. It was only about a month ago that I saw news footage of Muslims in Britain shouting “Death to Blair”. |
That's not really a fair statement. Not all of the "People" of London agreed to relax their immigration laws, their government did with the help of "probably" the majority (Oh, wait, does London have a democracy?). It's just like not everyone here likes Bush, but he's our President because obviously some people do.
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 7 2005, 09:15 AM
Alison it's Alfred...just ignore him...his account will be gone shortly...again 
He's just a 
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 7 2005, 09:17 AM
He is gone again. Thanks to everyone here who notified me that he was back.
Keeping up with Alfred is kinda like playing wack-a mole. He pops up, and we hammer him down.
Maybe someone should keep score on the admins. 1 Point for each time they remove alfred. 
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jul 7 2005, 09:18 AM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 7 2005, 07:17 AM) |
| He is gone again. Thanks to everyone here who notified me that he was back. |
Who's honest-al? Did I miss something?
Posted by: SLITS Jul 7 2005, 09:19 AM
| QUOTE ("7" @ Jul 7 2005, 08:05 AM) | ||
...and then drop the BIG - ONE like we should have done already rather than send our young men & women into a middle east "Holy War". |
Several "Big Ones".......just to be sure!
Posted by: Grimstead Jul 7 2005, 09:19 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914 @ Jul 7 2005, 08:09 AM) | ||
My sister and her family are leaving for London in a couple of weeks... Wonder if that will happen now... |
No worries. London is an incredible city and I'm sure if they still go they will have a wonderful time. Nothing can stop the English people. But it will be a pain getting around with parts of the tubeway closed.
Posted by: SLITS Jul 7 2005, 09:20 AM
| QUOTE (Lyressa Roberts @ Jul 7 2005, 08:18 AM) | ||
Who's honest-al? Did I miss something? |
When you read a statement like that with 1 post.....well, it wasn't to hard to figure out.
Posted by: 914GT Jul 7 2005, 09:20 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1446799,00.html is an example of what's been going on in the UK.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 7 2005, 09:21 AM
the dick has already gotten more of a response than he deserves...
new info:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/britain_explosions_al_qaida
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_eu/britain_explosion
don't know how much is the truth yet though...
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 7 2005, 09:21 AM
| QUOTE (Lyressa Roberts @ Jul 7 2005, 09:18 AM) | ||
Who's honest-al? Did I miss something? |
Honest_Al aka Alfred aka PITA......
He is the resident troll. We keep killing him, and he keeps reconstituting himself back in another persona.
Posted by: tdgray Jul 7 2005, 09:24 AM
If there is a positive to this 
It is that the Brits are experienced with terrorism. IRA and that jazz.
They should come through this as a nation just fine.
Posted by: SLITS Jul 7 2005, 09:24 AM
| QUOTE (914GT @ Jul 7 2005, 08:20 AM) |
| http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1446799,00.html is an example of what's been going on in the UK. |
two cement blocks, tied to his ankles, dropped in the ocean......he can talk all the way down.
Posted by: Alison Baker Jul 7 2005, 09:25 AM
| QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Jul 7 2005, 07:15 AM) |
| Alison it's Alfred...just ignore him...his account will be gone shortly...again He's just a |
I dont care who it is, he or they should not say a thing like that !
Posted by: 914GT Jul 7 2005, 09:27 AM
| QUOTE (SLITS @ Jul 7 2005, 08:24 AM) | ||
two cement blocks, tied to his ankles, dropped in the ocean......he can talk all the way down. |
And we have http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3896332,00.html in our country too.
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jul 7 2005, 09:28 AM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 7 2005, 07:21 AM) |
| He is the resident troll. We keep killing him, and he keeps reconstituting himself back in another persona. |
Oh, ok. The resident turd...hehehe.
Posted by: SLITS Jul 7 2005, 09:30 AM
| QUOTE (914GT @ Jul 7 2005, 08:27 AM) | ||||
And we have http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3896332,00.html in our country too. |
Well, he looks like a candidate for sealing in the "Grand Canyon Caverns" with Bob (Route 66 Classic.."inside" joke).
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 7 2005, 09:30 AM
| QUOTE (Alison Baker @ Jul 7 2005, 11:25 AM) | ||
I dont care who it is, he or they should not say a thing like that ! |
Why do you think he's history
He's a total dick who's gets off on causing
He loves your reaction...it's what he wants...he's a waste of skin.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 7 2005, 09:30 AM
| QUOTE (Alison Baker @ Jul 7 2005, 10:25 AM) | ||
I dont care who it is, he or they should not say a thing like that ! |
I agree Allison, he's a resident lurker, racist cocksucker, who posts on here and then his account is immediately banned... then he starts another account and we ban that, and delete those posts... he's like an annoying gnat, he gets swatted and he comes right back... except a gnat is more evolved.
Posted by: tdgray Jul 7 2005, 09:33 AM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 7 2005, 11:17 AM) |
| Keeping up with Alfred is kinda like playing wack-a mole. He pops up, and we hammer him down. Maybe someone should keep score on the admins. 1 Point for each time they remove alfred. |
Whack an Alfred.... a fun new game
Just doesn't have the same ring to it though
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jul 7 2005, 09:34 AM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jul 7 2005, 07:30 AM) | ||||
I agree Allison, he's a resident lurker, racist cocksucker, who posts on here and then his account is immediately banned... then he starts another account and we ban that, and delete those posts... he's like an annoying gnat, he gets swatted and he comes right back... except a gnat is more evolved. |
Oh!! I think I heard something about this guy a long while back. I guess you guys do a good job of getting rid of his traces as I think this is the first time I've been witness to it.
Good job guys!!!
Posted by: itsa914 Jul 7 2005, 09:41 AM
| QUOTE (SLITS @ Jul 7 2005, 07:24 AM) | ||
two cement blocks, tied to his ankles, dropped in the ocean......he can talk all the way down. |
I wonder how these people can have these "rallies / confrence / whatever" in our country or elsewhere and not end up on the receiving end of a gun cleaning accident.
BANG BANG BANG .........Oops, didn't know it was loaded
Posted by: brer Jul 7 2005, 09:42 AM
My sympathies for those affected. Truly horrible and my heart is there with them.
You can bank on the fact that the rest of London will soldier on. People will continue to go out, and even show up for work. They have lived with this sort of thing for years and there is no way a Brit will give in and let something like this get him down for long. If they did they would not be happy with themselves. Its in their blood to stand up to adversity and hardship. they do it every day, hard as coffin nails.
Pull your socks up mates and put the kettle on. Tomorrow is another day.
Posted by: xitspd Jul 7 2005, 10:17 AM
My lastest phone call from the UK reported that 45 were dead and 350 injured. SKY NEWS has revised down their prior estimate. The shock is wearing off and the population is getting very pissed off!
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jul 7 2005, 10:21 AM
| QUOTE (xitspd @ Jul 7 2005, 08:17 AM) |
| My lastest phone call from the UK reported that 45 were dead and 350 injured. SKY NEWS has revised down their prior estimate. The shock is wearing off and the population is getting very pissed off! |
Well, I hope they can do more than our government can. Probably not, though.
Posted by: brer Jul 7 2005, 10:28 AM
racial violence is a distinct possibility.
Posted by: xitspd Jul 7 2005, 10:30 AM
| QUOTE (Lyressa Roberts @ Jul 7 2005, 08:21 AM) | ||
Well, I hope they can do more than our government can. Probably not, though. |
However they are a tough lot. Their Island Nation mind set gives them strength. Downtown London is full of the memories of WW2. Old bulidings standing next to newer buildings that were bombed out.
Posted by: 914GT Jul 7 2005, 11:02 AM
| QUOTE (itsa914 @ Jul 7 2005, 08:41 AM) |
| I wonder how these people can have these "rallies / confrence / whatever" in our country or elsewhere and not end up on the receiving end of a gun cleaning accident. |
Happens all the time. Check out the video available http://standwithus.com/UCI_incitement2005.asp.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 7 2005, 11:12 AM
Why you should not mess with the English....
http://www.grudge-match.com/History/soccer.shtml
Posted by: pastordavid Jul 7 2005, 11:17 AM
I just wanted to add my support for the brits. It is truly a sad day, but the words of Blair regarding the G6 summit ring true for all of Britian - The terrorists will not get what they want, we will not cower in fear.
God is crying, along with the families and friends that have lost loved ones this morning. Isn't it astounding how cruel we can be o each other.
And by the way admins, thank you for being ever watchful for "Alfreds"
pastordavid
Posted by: Alison Baker Jul 7 2005, 11:19 AM
I just got off the phone to my Mum & Dad in Scotland and all the police have been drafted into Gleaneagles, Al-Qaeda
carried out the 4 bombings, ( in the subway station and at Hyde Park).
We hope they do not hit Gleneagles !
Posted by: ppickerell Jul 7 2005, 11:27 AM
I hope these people who perpetrated this crime find out that the 49 virgins that they thought they would have when they went to heaven were all male.
Posted by: messix Jul 7 2005, 11:32 AM
the Brits wont have any problem in getting even on this one. they don't have the problem that we have of getting thru the red tape to take action on things like this, it just gets done. they have alot of experince with this sort of thing. responsable party will be delt with quickly and fully. [ the way the isaelis handle terror].
i have family just outside london and they are all well thank god.
Posted by: xitspd Jul 7 2005, 12:01 PM
I have vacationed with my family at Gleneagles several times. It is remote and easy to defend. The only fear they will have is looking at their bills during check out! 
Posted by: Alison Baker Jul 7 2005, 12:06 PM
| QUOTE (xitspd @ Jul 7 2005, 10:01 AM) |
| I have vacationed with my family at Gleneagles several times. It is remote and easy to defend. The only fear they will have is looking at their bills during check out! |
My parents live 30 mins from Gleneagles....Its very pretty !
Posted by: xitspd Jul 7 2005, 12:36 PM
| QUOTE (Alison Baker @ Jul 7 2005, 10:06 AM) | ||
My parents live 30 mins from Gleneagles....Its very pretty ! |
You are lucky to have parents living near Gleneagles. It is some of the most beautiful countryside I have seen anywhere in the world. Magnificent!
Posted by: viralto Jul 7 2005, 12:52 PM
I'm a Brit, working in London who recently bought a '72 914 from California and I'm both very sad and very angry that my first post here is going to be this one.
My journey into work this morning was nothing like I expected when I left the house. A last minute snap decision to use a different route meant that I arrived another station just as the train I was originally planning to take was torn apart by a terrorist bomb.
I walked down Euston Road toward my building and passed Kings Cross station on the way. I can't get the image of what I saw out my mind. 50 or 60 people, all covered in blood, some with horrific burns to their hands and faces, some with their clothes literally blown off their bodies, a few were being carried into the street with limbs missing.
My job means that when something like this happens in London, I have to be cool calm and collected. I work for the British Security Service and I have resposibilities to the people of London to ensure that these incidents are handled the right way. Today was the day that I almost couldn't do it.
I'm not at all ashamed to say that I'm crying as I type this.
I lost a good friend when the first plane hit the World Trade Centre and the sheer scale of that event is almost incomprehensible. The number of dead in London is relatively small and we plan for much more catastrophic events than today. We're no strangers to terrorist attacks over here - they've been a part of British life for as long as I can remember but there's something about today that makes it greater than the sum of its parts.
The Tube is such an integral part of life in London. It's old, dirty and unreliable but 3 million of us use it every day. It's almost impossible to make your way around London by any other method. Every Londoner knows that awful feeling when the train jerks to halt deep in a dark tunnel and everyone's wondering if this is a 30 second delay or a 30 minute ordeal. Few of us that use the Tube could even comprehend the abject terror of being trapped down there in a burning train after an explosion but, we all know that any one of us could have been there today.
London will be back to normal very fast. People will be quietly going about their business within a week or so and from the outside, it will appear that it's just as before. Among those people will be a few that look the same but are different from the rest. They've been given a task. Their job is to be a little more observant, a little more vigilant and when they find what they're looking for their actions will be swift and decisive. Their successes will not be reported and they'll receive no vote of thanks for their work. I'm proud to say that one of those people is me.
I thank you all for your words of support and good wishes - they are truly appreciated.
Posted by: dbledsoe Jul 7 2005, 01:16 PM
Viralto,
Welcome to the 914World.com! And thank you for your first post.
God bless you and all of your countrymen. I wish you and all of the UK the best.
Don Bledsoe
Boise, Idaho USA
Posted by: richardL Jul 7 2005, 01:17 PM
Thanks for the post viralto, I too am sorry that your first post has to be so sad.
I am a Brit also, now living in CA. I lived through the IRA campaign and almost (but luckily didn't) lost family on Pan Am 103 and also at a Wimpy bar bombing in London by the IRA.
Thanks for your words of future resolve - I wish you great and widespread success!
I hope your next posts are both more mundane and also more fun 
Richard
Posted by: bondo Jul 7 2005, 01:29 PM
| QUOTE (viralto @ Jul 7 2005, 11:52 AM) |
| I'm a Brit, working in London who recently bought a '72 914 from California and I'm both very sad and very angry that my first post here is going to be this one. |
Damn, that post really brings it home. Thanks for the very personal account. Those last minute route decisions are eerie, but I'm glad you made it.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 7 2005, 01:40 PM
I have always thought of the relationship between the UK and the US as a Father/Son relationship. Like any father/son relationship, you didn't like it when we wanted to go out on our own (1776), but you finally let us go (1812). Things were a little strained between us for a while.
We grew up and we came back home to help out with some rotten neighbors a few years ago (1914) and when that same neighbor started acting up again (1941)
we showed back up to help again. You came to our assistance when we got suckerpunched (2001). Now you have been hit. Remember, we are family, and we are there for you.
Posted by: Lyressa Roberts Jul 7 2005, 01:44 PM
Welcome Viralto. I wish your first post was under a more upbeat situation too. I actually had to stop reading your post for a few seconds to get myself together...I'm glad you're ok and made a change in your plans.
Posted by: Dead Air Jul 7 2005, 01:50 PM
How terrible!
To specifically seek to maime and kill civilians and non combatants has a special kind of cruelty and cowardace. That's the part that freaks me out the most. Just for attention? How could any person possibly think that their agenda could be forwarded by an act so scummy?
Do they get some kind of sick, sociopathic thrill out of it?
I don't understand.
Posted by: 914GT Jul 7 2005, 02:06 PM
Apparently, the religion of peace http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/BKK200775.htm with the Buddhists either.
Posted by: redshift Jul 7 2005, 02:44 PM
| QUOTE (914GT @ Jul 7 2005, 11:20 AM) |
| http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1446799,00.html is an example of what's been going on in the UK. |
Yes, the British government is very helpful to terrorist.
I don't get it. Bad people, are bad people... I don't care what they look like, what they eat, who they pray to, or what their beef is...
It's unfortunate that we take this shit, and play the game about not calling eeeeeeeeee by eeeeeeeeeee's fucking name...
Human rights end somewhere.
M
Posted by: SLITS Jul 7 2005, 03:13 PM
Hopefully, your statements translate to "you're gonna take the MFers out when you know who they are".
Without prejudice, of course.
Posted by: kwales Jul 7 2005, 03:58 PM
I am sorry to hear of the tragedy and my heart goes out to all the innocent people murdered and maimed by the insane individuals.
Be ironic if one of the perpetratorsl was one of those terrorists the Brits demanded from Gitmo, welcomed them back (in the UK), and then released them.
Posted by: 914GT Jul 7 2005, 04:21 PM
From the UK newpaper story I linked earlier from back in January:
"Omar Bakri Mohammed, the radical Syrian-born cleric, said that if the British Government did not relax its tough anti- terrorism laws, the response from Muslims would be “horrendous”."
From the news today, an Islamic group claiming responsibility:
"We warned the British government and the British people repeatedly. We have carried out our promise and carried out a military attack in Britain after great efforts by the heroic mujahedeen over a long period to ensure its success."
Maybe Mr. Mohammed and his buddies should have been rounded up a long time ago. This latest bombing was well planned. I'd say at least 6 months of planning.
Posted by: redshift Jul 7 2005, 04:45 PM
Gosh, I'd hate to blame someone.
M
Posted by: redshift Jul 7 2005, 06:55 PM
The religion part is a ruse, ignore it.
Here comes a big thread lock
Posted by: jimtab Jul 7 2005, 07:14 PM
| QUOTE (itsa914 @ Jul 7 2005, 07:41 AM) | ||||
I wonder how these people can have these "rallies / confrence / whatever" in our country or elsewhere and not end up on the receiving end of a gun cleaning accident. BANG BANG BANG .........Oops, didn't know it was loaded |
Simple, this is a FREE country by and large, if you want a country where this is not possible, I submit that you should look into Saudia Arabia or other countries where divergent opinion is prosecuted, like it used to be in the USSR, you remember, alias "the great Satan". If you want to be able to have YOUR say, then you must allow others to have THEIRS. That's the way it was set up. That's the way I like it.
Posted by: TimT Jul 7 2005, 07:27 PM
Alfreds back>>>father alfred..
the narrow minded pablum and politics this person inists on bringing to this BBS are not welcome here
admins make him gone again
I feel for those people and there familes, I lost people close to me on 9/11. I was a few miles as the crow flies from the towers when they came down. Saw it from an interesting view point, on top of a bridge I was working on.
Like other have said London (UK) is more well prepared in dealing with these things than we are
Ill make a moment of silence for the victims and the families
Posted by: 914GT Jul 7 2005, 07:36 PM
| QUOTE (jimtab @ Jul 7 2005, 06:14 PM) |
| Simple, this is a FREE country by and large, if you want a country where this is not possible, I submit that you should look into Saudia Arabia or other countries where divergent opinion is prosecuted, like it used to be in the USSR, you remember, alias "the great Satan". If you want to be able to have YOUR say, then you must allow others to have THEIRS. That's the way it was set up. That's the way I like it. |
'Divergent opinion' includes people who celebrate http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3874893.stm? Or those that encourage http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000870.php to be suicide bombers? Maybe we should do like the UK and let more of http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669637,00.html in the country? I think having an opinion is one thing, but encouraging terrorism is quite another.
Posted by: richardL Jul 7 2005, 07:38 PM
| QUOTE (redshift @ Jul 7 2005, 05:55 PM) |
| The religion part is a ruse, ignore it. |
well said Miles,
England is generally a very well integrated society. These people have nothing to do with the general population, nor with any religion - its just a good excuse.
As someone said earlier - I hope all the 72 virgins are called 'Bubba'
Richard
Posted by: jimtab Jul 7 2005, 08:09 PM
| QUOTE (914GT @ Jul 7 2005, 05:36 PM) | ||
'Divergent opinion' includes people who celebrate http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3874893.stm? Or those that encourage http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000870.php to be suicide bombers? Maybe we should do like the UK and let more of http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669637,00.html in the country? I think having an opinion is one thing, but encouraging terrorism is quite another. |
Divergent opinion is EXACTLY these things, if they weren't provoking then we wouldn't be discussing them...but they're just opinions and I support the right of all of us to have them. On the other hand, when one decides to commit mayhem in furtherance of his opinion, whether that person is an extremist moslem killing innocents or an extremist christian killing abortion doctors...then they deserve justice, swift and final. By the way, that's my opinion.
Posted by: 914GT Jul 7 2005, 08:21 PM
| QUOTE (jimtab @ Jul 7 2005, 07:09 PM) |
| On the other hand, when one decides to commit mayhem in furtherance of his opinion, whether that person is an extremist moslem killing innocents or an extremist christian killing abortion doctors...then they deserve justice, swift and final. By the way, that's my opinion. |
So in other words, you want to wait until something happens then prosecute them later.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 7 2005, 08:31 PM
| QUOTE (redshift @ Jul 7 2005, 07:55 PM) |
| The religion part is a ruse, ignore it. Here comes a big thread lock |
I agree miles, true muslims lookk down on this act as the travesty it is, same as everyone else... it's a shame that people lump all muslims in with terrorists...
that's like them lumping christians in with the KKK, IRA and Alfred... btw, hi dickwad!
I tend to lump these groups more with the manson family and other psycho kool-aid bastards that lead weak minded cults of people under the pretense of something they believe in... someone who blows themself up is not acting on any god's behalf, he's acting on the behalf of a man, and he's too weak to think for himself...
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 7 2005, 08:51 PM
FYI..... I get another point in "Whack-an-Alfred" game!!!!
Folks.. this is getting very close to politics. This thread is to express our sympathy for the folks in London hurt or killed today. Let's tone down the political retoric so I don't have to lock it.
That would suck.
Posted by: BPGREER Jul 7 2005, 09:02 PM
My wife and I were just in London about 3 weeks ago. Wonderful city. The people were unexpectedly kind and outgoing. This is a truely sad day. It is no less important than 9/11, as it's act is equally cowardly in nature. When will we learn...
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Jul 7 2005, 10:05 PM
Since 9/11 I've had these eerie gut feelings- call it my 6th sense (whatever) of Mr. Bin's next one here. With the seemless never ending supply of suicide bombers waiting for their missions, a world glut supply of black market C4 and training on wiring up bombs ( Time magazine jihad interview about 2 weeks ago), It's getting way harder to "Pre-empt" and target the enemy. Having sleeper cells living amounst us in the West , just planning and honing their skills for their day of mayhem. Our current campaign in Iraq may never instill democracy on Iraqis, but the coalition forces are learning a totally new type of warfare: real time data needed in order to deal with an enemy on their level. It's not a matter of "If this comes West...but when".
England will learn to deal a swift blow to their evil-doers, and it will be relentless.
The English SAS came to be in a time when conventional tactics no longer could cut it. The SAS also contributed to the training of many of todays G8 countries unconventional warfare tactics forces. Mr. Bin's stuff is stealthier than the "Round up the usual suspects" crap.
Israel's Mosad doesn't take names and kick a**, there are no arrests, jailings or trials when they come to town: Problem solved.
Hey people , wake up - we are at war, and our freedoms are hanging out there for all of us to protect.
If you can read this> thank a teacher.
If you can read this in English> thank a soldier.
MF
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 7 2005, 10:11 PM
| QUOTE (Maltese Falcon @ Jul 7 2005, 08:05 PM) |
| Since 9/11 I've had these eerie gut feelings- call it my 6th sense (whatever) of Mr. Bin's next one here. With the seemless never ending supply of suicide bombers waiting for their missions, a world glut supply of black market C4 and training on wiring up bombs ( Time magazine jihad interview about 2 weeks ago), It's getting way harder to "Pre-empt" and target the enemy. Having sleeper cells living amounst us in the West , just planning and honing their skills for their day of mayhem. Our current campaign in Iraq may never instill democracy on Iraqis, but the coalition forces are learning a totally new type of warfare: real time data needed in order to deal with an enemy on their level. It's not a matter of "If this comes West...but when". England will learn to deal a swift blow to their evil-doers, and it will be relentless. The English SAS came to be in a time when conventional tactics no longer could cut it. The SAS also contributed to the training of many of todays G8 countries unconventional warfare tactics forces. Mr. Bin's stuff is stealthier than the "Round up the usual suspects" crap. Israel's Mosad doesn't take names and kick a**, there are no arrests, jailings or trials when they come to town: Problem solved. Hey people , wake up - we are at war, and our freedoms are hanging out there for all of us to protect. If you can read this> thank a teacher. If you can read this in English> thank a soldier. MF |
Posted by: 0396 Jul 7 2005, 10:15 PM
| QUOTE (Maltese Falcon @ Jul 7 2005, 08:05 PM) |
| Since 9/11 I've had these eerie gut feelings- call it my 6th sense (whatever) of Mr. Bin's next one here. With the seemless never ending supply of suicide bombers waiting for their missions, a world glut supply of black market C4 and training on wiring up bombs ( Time magazine jihad interview about 2 weeks ago), It's getting way harder to "Pre-empt" and target the enemy. Having sleeper cells living amounst us in the West , just planning and honing their skills for their day of mayhem. Our current campaign in Iraq may never instill democracy on Iraqis, but the coalition forces are learning a totally new type of warfare: real time data needed in order to deal with an enemy on their level. It's not a matter of "If this comes West...but when". England will learn to deal a swift blow to their evil-doers, and it will be relentless. The English SAS came to be in a time when conventional tactics no longer could cut it. The SAS also contributed to the training of many of todays G8 countries unconventional warfare tactics forces. Mr. Bin's stuff is stealthier than the "Round up the usual suspects" crap. Israel's Mosad doesn't take names and kick a**, there are no arrests, jailings or trials when they come to town: Problem solved. Hey people , wake up - we are at war, and our freedoms are hanging out there for all of us to protect. If you can read this> thank a teacher. If you can read this in English> thank a soldier. MF |
Posted by: rick 918-S Jul 7 2005, 10:21 PM
Viralto,
Welcome to our garage. I'm sorry for your countries loss. I also feel sorry for the terrorists that committed that crime against your country. They will be deeply sorry soon.
Posted by: Lou W Jul 7 2005, 11:14 PM
| QUOTE |
| Maltese Falcon Posted on Jul 7 2005, 09:05 PM Since 9/11 I've had these eerie gut feelings- call it my 6th sense (whatever) of Mr. Bin's next one here. With the seemless never ending supply of suicide bombers waiting for their missions, a world glut supply of black market C4 and training on wiring up bombs ( Time magazine jihad interview about 2 weeks ago), It's getting way harder to "Pre-empt" and target the enemy. Having sleeper cells living amounst us in the West , just planning and honing their skills for their day of mayhem. Our current campaign in Iraq may never instill democracy on Iraqis, but the coalition forces are learning a totally new type of warfare: real time data needed in order to deal with an enemy on their level. It's not a matter of "If this comes West...but when". England will learn to deal a swift blow to their evil-doers, and it will be relentless. The English SAS came to be in a time when conventional tactics no longer could cut it. The SAS also contributed to the training of many of todays G8 countries unconventional warfare tactics forces. Mr. Bin's stuff is stealthier than the "Round up the usual suspects" crap. Israel's Mosad doesn't take names and kick a**, there are no arrests, jailings or trials when they come to town: Problem solved. Hey people , wake up - we are at war, and our freedoms are hanging out there for all of us to protect. If you can read this> thank a teacher. If you can read this in English> thank a soldier. MF |
Posted by: redshift Jul 8 2005, 12:24 AM
Right on.
M
Posted by: Howard Jul 8 2005, 12:41 AM
God bless the Brits! With all this tragedy, the tube is running again today, and it's business almost as usual. Mind the Gap!
That's why the good guys win, and the cowards lose. It may take a while, but the good guys will prevail.
Posted by: tdgray Jul 8 2005, 06:11 AM
| QUOTE (Howard @ Jul 8 2005, 02:41 AM) |
| God bless the Brits! With all this tragedy, the tube is running again today, and it's business almost as usual. Mind the Gap! That's why the good guys win, and the cowards lose. It may take a while, but the good guys will prevail. |
Well Said Howard.
That is exactly it.... while the extremist spends his time looking for ways to kill, mame and thrust his views on others. The good guys continue to work for the betterment of society as a whole.
Do you think it is some kind of accident that most extremist run countries have thier people kept in abject poverty, with no infrastructure and no hope for a better future?
Remember when you give a peoples access to education, societal improvements and hope for the future.... they ultimatley will learn to think for themselves, instead of blindly following the lemmings off the cliff.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 8 2005, 06:59 AM
I hate to do this, but I have to lock this thread. It has crossed over into the political realm. Unfortunately that violates the one rule we have on this BBS.
I did try to warn you guys..........
If you want to continue this, go http://16.freebb.com/index.php?freebb=narp
Sorry folks... I didn't make the rule.
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