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Posted by: BPic Apr 16 2020, 03:41 PM

I hope you all are safe and well.

Trying to wrap up all the wiring connections. I have, based on my photos from 2 years ago and the wiring diagrams, all the wires connected correctly. However if I leave the running lights and headlights on for 5-10 minutes the housing on the headlight switch is almost to hot to touch.

I really don't want to spend more money on a switch. Do you think that's what it is? Are they rebuildable?

Thanks all!

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 16 2020, 03:54 PM

Suggestion:

You have probably have a high resistance connection somewhere on or within the switch.

Start by cleaning each of the terminals that attaches to the switch. If the high resistance is internal you'll likely need a new switch.

Posted by: lierofox Apr 16 2020, 04:40 PM

Alternatively if you're feeling adventurous you can open the headlight switch up, and see if there's worn slider contacts, chances are it's the headlight contact that's starting to get worn down and pitted, depending on the year of the switch you can swap it with the slider contact for the marker lights which is identical.

https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_headlamp_switch/914_headlamp_switch.htm

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 16 2020, 05:14 PM

or are you running H4 's without relays?

Posted by: BPic Apr 17 2020, 06:50 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=22428 - I'll give this a shot I appreciate the info.

Posted by: BPic Apr 17 2020, 06:53 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18880 - Thanks. I may have to dig into it. This will be a last resort before buying a different switch. Thanks for the link!

Posted by: BPic Apr 17 2020, 06:59 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=24 - Ok you may be onto something here. I have H4's. Do they not run through the normal headlight relay? I need an additional relay? If so is there any info on wiring and placement of the added relay?

The headlights came with the car and I'm just finishing a full resto on it. I'll end up going with LED headlights but would like to use these for now.

Thanks!

Posted by: brant Apr 17 2020, 07:27 AM

Geoff got it

You can’t run hi output headlights through a stock switch
The switch was never designed for this much current

You have to re wire the power through separate relays and not the switch

You will burn out the stock switch and possibly the main wiring harness if you don’t fix this

Posted by: Spoke Apr 17 2020, 07:38 AM

All the current in the headlights indeed run through the headlight switch. One would need to add an extra relay to run higher power headlights. Might be a good time to switch to LED headlights.



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Posted by: BPic Apr 17 2020, 07:40 AM

@Geoff - And this explains why I had to replace so many wires when I rebuilt the harness. The PO made several "upgrades" that were shoddy. I'll get this one fixed as well.

Appreciate the input.

Posted by: BPic Apr 17 2020, 07:42 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3031 - So no relay needed with LED? Maybe I'll bite the bullet and buy the ones we discussed on the phone.

Thank you!

Posted by: Spoke Apr 17 2020, 07:53 AM

LED power to put out the same amount of light as an OEM headlight should be at least half of the current of the OEM bulbs. Given the 914 was an inexpensive car (WRT Porsche standards), the headlights were not relay driven. So no, you would not need to add a relay for LED headlights.

914rubber sells LED headlights as well as carmagic.us. I have carmagic.us LED headlights on my 930. They're very bright and have a very sharp upper cutoff.





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Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 17 2020, 07:58 AM

Nice -- Thanks for posting that link. That may come in handy someday.

There are definately plenty of contacts in there that could be corroded and/or burned and going to a high resistance state. Especially so if you were pulling H4 current though them. DeOxit is a favorite for breaking down internal swith corrosion without the need to disassemble the switch.

Power = I^2 x R or said in english Heat=current draw x current draw x resistance

The headlamps pull much larger current than the backlight bulbs operating on the rheostat so that is probably the source of the heat. Can't say that with absolute certainty but that is what the math suggest.

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 17 2020, 10:08 AM

Get the ones from 914Rubber as they have the right pattern. I installed a set and they work great, much brighter so I installed them also on my Westy. I have H4 headlights now with LED bulbs, so much better

Posted by: 90quattrocoupe Apr 17 2020, 12:55 PM

If you want to go the relay way, this is the way that PMB, relayed the hi-beam, low-beam, fogs and horns on my car. Hella 4 position relay board and 4 position fuse panel.


Greg W.

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 18 2020, 10:12 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20561

Nice clean setup and you wouldn't even see it unless you're looking for it. I like it!

Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 18 2020, 10:34 AM

I installed relays with my H4's years ago but with the new led bulbs you don't need them. Cool setup...

Posted by: 90quattrocoupe Apr 18 2020, 10:38 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=22428

Yea, they did a very nice job.

Greg W.