So we have the molds and are cleaning them. We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
we will have the options to add balsa just like the GT hoods.
Option for headlight delete hoods will be available for both. I will post more as we move along, but we will need to do some repair work on the molds to get to the point we can pull parts. we will then figure out how much they cost to make.
Planning to run 10 sets at a large discount to launch these. Number sill follow
So who's interested at least for now?
PM sent with a few questions about a set in carbon!
Mark -
All depends on cost for me. My lids have lots of hail damage. Very strange since there is none anywhere else on the body......
GN
I would be interested in two of each depending on what the price is.
Interested in both balsa reinforced GT hood and/or trunk replicas - but some idea of price would be good....?
- Tony
Is your goal to produce lids comparable (or better ) to the Getty Design offerings and priced competitively? I would be interested in a pair of GT lids with the balsa stiffeners. White gelcoat on the outside and clear resin on the underside. -John
Will you make a hood only for water cooled cars like my V8 car with vent out?
Bob B
We decided to start with the GT type and stock hoods. The only difference is that we do have an option for a headlight delete hood. Basically covers the buckets made for those that have removed the headlights ( That's more of a racing option ). As we have that mold.
The idea is that we want to supply a suitable replacement for 914 hoods that have rusted out I have a car with this issue and I have see a few others do too.
Our initial plan was to do a gray primer gel coat, so that you could scuff with a 600 grit and shoot.
The white gel coat is easily done fro the balsa reinforced ones. Matt is doing some research right now to to determine exactly what the factor layup of these looked like.
More to come soon
I would be interested in the carbon fiber
AR-14 needs new lids as they are old racer junk and look it. I'll be needing a front hood with headlight delete.
So I'll fallow this and get back to you when you start making them.
I need a carbon fiber rear trunk lid.
Does - can the CF hood and deck lid be high gloss finish?
I am interested in 2 of each depending on price.
I didn t see a price for cardon fiber set??
Thank you sir!
I would be interested in a set of Carbon Fiber
Front and rear
Interested in fiber front/rear, but would need to know pricing. Thanks guys!
Side note, I have to say that I am elated to know that 914 Rubber took over the molds for Sheridan's kits... and now the path of carbon fiber as an option is really great, especially when I look to the future w/ replacement pieces to my current fiberglass Sheridan pieces. Keep up the great work. I believe Marty is going to PM you about some finer details to pay attention to on your batches, which we faced on our OE pieces.
I understand and we are working out the details. As you know I don;t add much to my costs to make it worth while to do the GB so as soon as we have the molds ready to go and are happy with the product (hopefully about a week) we can start nailing down price.
The fiberglass will be the 1st followed but the Carbon fiber, and perhaps even Kevlar fiber.
Mark
GT style, clear bottom, white gel top please both front and rear. I really do not need to do this. But want to so badly
Thank you
I'm Interested in Carbon with H/Light delete, also for anyone wanting a Stock Hood my 1975 hood is White, no dents, some paint chips, but you could bolt it on and it would look very good, anybody interested I'll send pics.
Interested in Carbon Fiber as well front & rear
Interested too.
Interested too, will be following.
Looking forward to see what they weight. If theres not much difference between the glass or carbon I think glass might be a better option for me.
Also, is a Sheridan hood the same shape as a factory hood?
Would be interested in the GT style option
Interested in a set !!
interested in GT version
Interested, but will depend on final price.
Jim
Just about ready to start making parts. They took a bit more time than we thought to prep, but I'm excited to get going on these!
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Very cool, and good on you for putting these into production Mark.
Would love to finally see a real weight savings between CF lids and the factory originals in steel (so many of which have a lot of material on them by now). When I think about trying to offset the weight gain of my six conversion, three things always come to mind first: GT lids, GT bumpers, and a lightweight battery.
Best weight savings for the $ is fiberglass.
Carbon fiber will be lighter but on a per/lb basis you can make lighter at a higher cost.
You never got back on the vented hoods for a water-cooled car. Are you going to make any of those so I could get one?
Bob B
Definitely interested in a headlight delete hood with cooling duct if those get made in the future
I would be interested in a set depending on the price. Trying to figure out which one.
Update we are making the nut plates for these and will be getting to the 1st prototype this next week
Thank you Mark for the update on the progress.
Sweet. Looking forward to seeing how these turn out and getting an idea of pricing.
Would be interested in knowing the actual weight comparisons between stock steel lids, fiberglass lids, and the carbon lids. Also will it be a true bolt on configuration requiring no hood pins? I would imagine the carbon lids will be much stiffer than the Fiberglass units.
Are you going to vacuum bag the carbon?
One last thing, it would be cool if you were able to put some yellow die in the resin for that aged OE GT look on the underside.
Depending on all the above I would be interested in a set.
Well got these into the molds friday. Should have some news later this week.
Sheridan was selling just the skins on these and fro full race you could attach a tab and and use a Dzus fastener. which is fine, but we are doing a complete version on these too.
I figured most folks wouldn't want to "modify" the car for the hoods to this extent. We will however be making pins and plates for hood closure as well as a mount for the stock latch.
Busy day so far more to follow in a day or two.
Doing up a front and rear hood assembly, one with the headlight delete 1st
we are figuring out the time and materials needed to ba able to price these. Should have numbers late this week.
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Finally got these bonded and will have to test fit after I get back from Seattle this next week. We did a test tit on the substructure to assure everything alligns, just some trimming and finishing to go.
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I would love to see someone come out with a carbon fiber targa.
We are doing the clear roof 1st, but doable.
Have a lot of irons in the fire with these, the bumper tops, the valances, and front end kits and flared bits.
You are going to see a lot of new resin based products coming from us shortly.
We did test fits on the car this last week. We are pulling one with headlight delete this week. We are working out the the cutting and finishing for these so they fit correctly. More pics soon.
Still following, I need it all. Deleted headlight front led and a rear led, front and rear bumpers and valence's. Then I can start thinking about fenders and rockers.
I have cash and not asking about the price just tell me about the bottom line.
I'll probably want Carbon later.
Mark, I think I saw the answer to my question but please confirm.....since these are FG (or even the CF version), these will require the corner pins near the headlights in addition to the center stock latch, correct?
Actually we are setting these up to not require pins, however they look sharp. We will probably do a run of the pins and plates. It will require a lower tension spring that we are also working on for the front trunk.
We will offer just the skins for those that want to use pins or dzus screws to attach too. Just like Sheridan did when he made them. The internal support structure is something we are making to make mount like the stock lids. More to come this week.
Mark
Any progress??
Balsa wood GT stiffeners?
Yes will be an option, however we have to build one to figure costs
Willing to be the genie pig for GT lids
Will have the Headlight delete version ready this week!
We are tracking time and materials to price these correctly.
I'd be interested in a fiberglass rear deck lid. Depending upon final cost. Thanks, Kevin
Everytime I see this thread I get a smile on my face.
Bump...
Looking forward to the clear roof for sure..... drive on Paul
Definitely interested in a set of the FG or possibly CF hood + decklid - just depends on the difference in prices. And a set of the hood pins/plates too.
Making progress,
We have to make parts to see what these really cost,
but we are almost there
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LOL I will add the PayPal fee for these, and I am not planning on running Carbon on my build. Those are
Still wanting clear Fiberglass with Balsa ala Factory GT style. Even do it like the factory lids and sign them in red before the last clear gel goes on the underside.
its the next one we are building,
Matt's doing a write up on his Lufthansa tribute car.
More to come
Mark
Been shopping for front and rear lids and stumbled on this thread. Glad someone is still making these.
I'd be interested in a FG or CF front hood and rear deck lid (w/pins and plates). Also price dependent, but definitely interested.
RobF
Did you weight the carbon hood and trunk? I gotta know....
So excited to get the CB rear lid! I’ve got the front one fitted ready for painting but wanted to paint them together. :popcorn:looking good, waiting patiently.
It is meaningful,
I will be posting up later this week as we open up the GB we have made some significant improvements and will be able to offer with headlight delete option too.
ALSO IN CARBON FIBER
These look awesome, can't wait to see more and pricing!
We have completed the 1st round of the light weight ones and unfortunately Matt painted them before we got them weighed. but will have that when I get back Wed. We are also doing a reinforced "heavier" panel that is a little more rigid. More to come this week
Very interested in CF lids, depending on cost of course. Looks great so far!
If you have a pair I'd be happy to model them at Red Rocks next week! I leave this Saturday though
If the price is right I'd love to get a light weight hood on my car for Champcar. My current hood is 35lbs!!
Way to heavy for a race car.
Im in for front with headlamp delete, and a rear, and maybe a top.
Hate to say it but the carbon fiber ones will actually be lighter I was working on these today and found that when the carbon fiber got laid up it got bonded to the fiberglass substructure not a carbon fiber one. I will have final weights tomorrow.
-Mark
OK
So the weights are as follows -These are nominal and may very slightly with amount of bonding material used.
Front hoods
Haltbar Glass -
Front hood with headlights - 12.2#
Front hood headlight delete - 12.4#
Carbon fiber -
Front hood with headlights - 10#
Front hood with delete - 10.1#
Rear deck lid
Haltbar Glass -
Rear hood - 10.9#
Carbon fiber -
Rear hood - 9.8#
There a a full write up I'm doing on the Haltbar glass panels we are making. We have committed to a very large quantity of materials to be able to make these, and will be using them for all of our products moving forward. We will have these in this next week to be able to start production.
Stock lid weights?
Unfortunately I don;t have a stock hood laying around to weigh, but I have a front on a parts car that I can check later today.
We are just working on finalizing prices now. There will be a few options -
1) Skins only -no substructure. These were how Sheridan made them. Will require Dzus screws and putting metal mounting tabs on your body. This is more of a race application. Will NOT bolt on with stock mounts.
2) Ultralight version - Has a substructure like factory and bolts right on. If you want to cut and buff these hard you will want to use a "bean bag" to support them as they will flex with pressure, but are the lightest version (both Haltbar and carbon fiber).
3) Stock with support rib - Mounts like stock, we are adding an additional support rib in hard foam that will not add a lot of weight, but is an additional cost as well as rigidity.
4) GT using balsa made to look like a GT hood
We plan to produce in either a white gel coat or grey prime gel coat. The carbon fiber will be visible on the underside. Support structures we plan to do in black gel coat.
There will be an option for a cosmetic carbon fiber surface, this will be the most expensive as it can be very labor intensive.
As you can see it's not just a matter of front or back, but other choices that create costs. So this is why we are offering a "menu" on these
We will be finalizing this this week.
Mark
PS we have a new process and materials that will make the "fiberglass" option much more durable
We call it -
Haltbar Panel - They are more durable than standard fiberglass panels. We are actually switching ALL of our fiberglass over to this. We are also setting up test beds to actually show you why it's better. This process will be a month or so out, but this should change the way you look at fiberglass.
Nothing like Germaning it up.
Haltbar is durable to all you English speakers out there. More direct translation would be keeps for a long time.
And what I hear you saying is it will be a Group buy sometime in November so I can add it to my Christmas List for Santa.
Actually not.
It will be sooner. We are cutting more support structure metal (for mounting) now and WILL be in production this month. We have also added some new spoilers and parts too.
We had hoped to be making these now but we are within a week of being able to produce in mass.
Also on the Haltbar, it's not just a name change, but different materials, and layup techniques that make it stronger. We are switching out all of our production to this version moving forward as it a significant improvement in strength and flexibility.
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Ready to make parts just not listed yet,
Either way tomorrow I will open this up.
Mark
I'm looking for a rear trunk lid. Perfect timing
patiently waiting here too.....
going to need at least one front and one rear lid,,,,,,,possibly two
As promised I have PM'd everyone on these with the pricing. Unfortunately some of the packaging details and shipping have yet to be finalized. The crating if we can make something that complete is less than 75# for a set (and I think we can), will keep out of the overweight category, The size we need to minimize to get into 1st oversize for Fedex otherwise LTL may be cheaper (or Greyhound) We have some research to do on that one.
So getting these listed up correctly on the website has been a hassle. I will have it up late this next week. I know a few of you want these fro events so I fired off the PM's.
We were able to get the price point down on the carbon fiber, and the Haltbar program is not far off the carbon fiber so It didn't make sense to really make a product that was similar in performance that was only a little less expensive.
A few questions to answer
You do not need pits to hold down the ones with substructure as the will use the front latch.
We are also working on a lighter duty spring to open the lighter hoods with much less force as it's a bit crazy with the light weight hoods.
More soon
But we are ready for production on these now!
And a few others are coming on line too
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Ooo are those door skins i spy? i could be in the market for those, im also eargly awaiting the deck lids with the spoiler if you have any plans to make them.
Just found this thread. I would be interested in front and rear set GT style depending on the price. Don't know if anyone has asked about shipping cost. Any idea on that?
Bill.
Also in the market for front and rear carbon or fiberglass. Depending on price.
Working on what to order. Had some questions.
I assume this looks like our factory steel lids?
2) Ultralight version - Has a substructure like factory and bolts right on. If you want to cut and buff these hard you will want to use a "bean bag" to support them as they will flex with pressure, but are the lightest version (both Haltbar and carbon fiber).
Whats this look like and what does it weight?
3) Stock with support rib - Mounts like stock, we are adding an additional support rib in hard foam that will not add a lot of weight, but is an additional cost as well as rigidity.
Thanks
Hey Mark, awesome progress and incredible that you will be able to offer so many variations to meet individual customer needs. Question, there was mention that there will also be a 'GT' version coming. Can you elaborate on how that will differ from the other offerings described above? (skin only, lite and reinforced)
I am interested in a stock hood however, i have learned that after crating an existing metal hood, the shipping cost was outrageous / your thoughts on shipping costs when you get your price fixed would help define actual demand.
Volume Contracts and good negotiations work wonders.
Worked with a company that we negotiated a shipping contract for everything overnight due to what we shipped it was about 10 per unit.
Also worked with another group where we needed to ship items all over the country, medical transplant related. We could ship anywhere with in 4 hours, for $12.94 a run.
Wonder how they working with the reduced number of commercial flights.
The offset to these great deals is other accept rates that are much higher, and forget about it if you are a consumer walking into the store front.
1st partial run will be complete this next week. More pics soon
I'm in for one of the fiberglass rear deck lids. Thanks.
I like the front spoiler - any pics with that installed?
1st production parts are scheduled out Monday. I will be crating and sending out. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18454 has some pictures installed on my red car as a test bed.
I am interested in prices of front and rear truck lids, fiberglass, stock with headlights and no rear spoiler.
Ok we are getting to actually getting parts out the door. I will have these listed up on the site this week.
One of the biggest problems that was a variable was the shipping.
We have a 56x49x7 crate that is needed to house both front and rear hoods.
We packed this one with HF blankets and lots of bubble wrap. The Carbon fiber hood with packing and crate cam to 83# for all. I may be able to get down to 75 without the blankets using more bubble wrap The problem is the size. Shipping via Fedex for the 75# rate was $228, and $235 for 83#
We are checking to see if we can get some better Greyhound or LTL rates now. But the 1st 3 sets will be shipping out this week.
There are a lot of moving pieces on this project. We are starting to solidify this finally.
Thanks all for your patience I will PM everyone with the codes as soon as Blake gets them together.
-Mark
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Thanks looking at a consolidation model. It's not that they are really heavy. Mostly bulky and we are working to bring down shipping costs.
Mark
Mark, are you also making progress on the balsa wood reinforced GT version? Still interested if you have figured out pricing.
Wow, absolutely beautiful!
Got the other 2 sets I've run through coming out Monday.
-Mark
Any news? love seeing the progress on these.
We have the 3 orders we opened up this GB on. We had not listed on the site yet as the issue is crating. I have finally figured out how to crate so they can ship Fedex not LTL. Unfortunately it means 2 crates. Cost more to crate but less to ship. Blake should have these listed on the site some time this week for all to buy. There were 3 guys that REALLY wanted these so I did a a case study before we open these up to all.
Mark
Looking forward to installing them. Hoping to finally make some progress on my project this winter.
Man these are pretty... as was the packing it came in.
Good Job Mark!
Are you guys going to be doing any bumpers as well? Looking to ditch my 916 setup.
Could you ship these via greyhound? I have shipped a couple very large but not heavy items via greyhound and they were surprisingly affordable.
Happy to ship best way. So far if we crate individually they can ship Fedex ground, just not cheap west cost about $160 a box
I can get some pics of the finish tomorrow. It's a white Gel coat. Not really a finished part, but ready for paint with some minimal prep.
mark
Any update
I would also be interested in a rear trunk lid.
Thank you
We've been reworking our fright rates with LT and asked Fedex for special rating for the hoods. We are waiting for Fedex to finalize their numbers, but will be in full production soon.
On another note the rear 1/4 panels mold were pulled in carbon fiber and we have door skins we did in fiberglass these molds will come on line shortly too.
Also the lower air dam with brake cooling ducts. We have 2 other variants we are working on too. So we can offer an air dam with a cooling package including cooling plates we are working on too!
Lots of new stuff
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door skins too
These are fiberglass but will be available in carbon fiber too
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Oooooo ... I'd be interested in a CF front lid with headlight delete and the white surface. Always wanted to delete the pop-ups and fabricate something similar to Felix's 'Neo-914' headlights in the turn signal buckets
I don't see them listed on the site yet
Also, has Oscar's offer to provide a receiving/distribution 'hub' for shipping to So Cal been discussed any further?
When can I get a pair of rear fenders??
Thanks
Here's the deal I have 2 sets of molds. This is the 1st set we reconditioned and pulled from.
It will take me a few weeks but I can have an example of those up shortly. I also have some fronts I'm working on too.
So yes I could sell you what I have made here but you might want to hold tight a bit longer as the rest come on line.
Mark
Thanks for the PM, Mark
The flare looks more like the GT and it extends up the 1/4 panel as one piece.
I actually like the flares that you are showing now. I’d like a pair of them. Can you PM me a price shipped to 93465. Thanks.
Seems like it's tough dividing time between production and making new molds.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 Any word on the availability of the rear deck lid?
We are in production never fully opened up the GB as we were trying to figure out all the moving pieces (mostly shipping and crating). We do have these squared away but with the accounting changeover we had set this aside.
Just PM me which you want (carbon fiber or fiberglass) drop me an address and I can quote.
Thanks for checking,
Mark
PS we hope to get the ball fully rolling in another month.
Finally got the GT version with the factory glass done.
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The Balsa was actually difficult to get. Unfortunately some of my materials are starting to increase in price too.
Mark,
Any estimate on when you might have the "race" hood without headlights? Ideally looking for a vented (Subaru conversion), fiberglass hood without the popups...
Thanks,
Mike
We have a fiberglass with the headlight delete option. The louvers are another animal. We have to start from scratch on what we have and I have the Saratoga tops in line 1st, so it will be awhile before we could get to that.
Let me know if you want the one we have made up.
Mark
What is the price point on these again?
The GT's are a little more in that they use the factory type glass and the balsa was more than I thought it would be. Believe it or not there is a shortage...???
I should be able to crunch the numbers and post up shortly. Just got back in this morning from a 5 day marathon trp.
Mark
The balsa we bought was specially scored to be laid up in fiberglass, but given the issues we had getting it it might be worth looking at alternatives. I think the amount of material we are using there may be a small weight difference. I'd have to play with it to see how it would work.
Id be interested in the front carbon fiber with light deletes.
Laid up the front end mold. Will have pics in a day or 2.
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Accounts for flairs, oil cooler cut out, air dam and turn signal deletes all in one.
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Out of the molds! One piece with lip edge to help with alignment.
Still need to clean up but now we have the hoods, the rear fenders, the door skins, and soon the rocker panels.
Also another surprise part will be ready soon.
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The only problem we are having is shipping. Thinking that we can crate a complete kit and ship most cost effectively. It's one of the reasons we had not really been promoting the parts. If you have a couple hindered in shipping and a crating charge, it would be best spread out over the complete kit.
Looking at a kit comprised of
front end piece (as shown)
2 rear fenders
front hood
rear hood
door skins
rocker panels
+??
other than a rear decklid with a spoiler i have most of the other fiberglass i intend to use, the front end can be made easier to ship by cleckoing aluminum on the outside then cutting it in half or thirds or whatever fits in the box best. but you can always sway me with your quality goodies
We can do that. The issue I was starting to look at is it's relative. There is a cost to segment the part. There is also a cost to crate and ship both ways. From what I can tell, it looks like it's about a wash. Knowing that it would be easier (and stronger) to do as one piece. I had originally thought that it would significantly reduce cost as the crate is smaller, but still have to build one.
LIKE
Will do after WCR. Im heading out to the day job for 4 days, then pack and drive.
Mark
All of these parts look great!
curious to know if you are considering making stock or GT flared front fenders in fiberglass. I'm sure as most of you are aware, looks like QRS is gone.
Thanks, Kelly
We can, would need to make a mold. Anyone have a set hanging out?
I have always enjoyed this thread and thought these Carbon Fiber deck lids and frunks looked great. I wonder if those who have purchased either the Carbon or Fiberglass versions could provide some pics of fitment on your 914's?
I love everything 914 Rubber does, but it would still be nice to see how these products fit on actual 914's in the field, as, after 50 years, everyone's car is probably a little different. Also, @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 , did you ever create a FG or CF engine lid?
These and more are earlier in this thread
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