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Posted by: Mikey914 May 2 2020, 12:57 AM

So we have the molds and are cleaning them. We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
we will have the options to add balsa just like the GT hoods.
Option for headlight delete hoods will be available for both. I will post more as we move along, but we will need to do some repair work on the molds to get to the point we can pull parts. we will then figure out how much they cost to make.

Planning to run 10 sets at a large discount to launch these. Number sill follow
So who's interested at least for now?

Posted by: tygaboy May 2 2020, 07:39 AM

PM sent with a few questions about a set in carbon! aktion035.gif

Posted by: Gatornapper May 2 2020, 09:01 AM

Mark -

All depends on cost for me. My lids have lots of hail damage. Very strange since there is none anywhere else on the body......

GN

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 2 2020, 12:57 AM) *

So we have the molds and are cleaning them. We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
we will have the options to add balsa just like the GT hoods.
Option for headlight delete hoods will be available for both. I will post more as we move along, but we will need to do some repair work on the molds to get to the point we can pull parts. we will then figure out how much they cost to make.

Planning to run 10 sets at a large discount to launch these. Number sill follow
So who's interested at least for now?


Posted by: tazz9924 May 2 2020, 11:22 AM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 1 2020, 10:57 PM) *

So we have the molds and are cleaning them. We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
we will have the options to add balsa just like the GT hoods.
Option for headlight delete hoods will be available for both. I will post more as we move along, but we will need to do some repair work on the molds to get to the point we can pull parts. we will then figure out how much they cost to make.

Planning to run 10 sets at a large discount to launch these. Number sill follow
So who's interested at least for now?

What does the rear deck lid look like? does it have the rear duckbill?

Posted by: Mikey914 May 2 2020, 01:24 PM

QUOTE(tazz9924 @ May 2 2020, 10:22 AM) *

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 1 2020, 10:57 PM) *

So we have the molds and are cleaning them. We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
we will have the options to add balsa just like the GT hoods.
Option for headlight delete hoods will be available for both. I will post more as we move along, but we will need to do some repair work on the molds to get to the point we can pull parts. we will then figure out how much they cost to make.

Planning to run 10 sets at a large discount to launch these. Number sill follow
So who's interested at least for now?

What does the rear deck lid look like? does it have the rear duckbill?

Rear deck lid will be bone stock in a gel coat primer unless you want Carbon fiber. Would be easy to add, but we are not planning to do the deck tails at this time. Sheridan has a rear wing mold that we may look at, but not yet.

Mark

Posted by: tazz9924 May 2 2020, 01:44 PM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 2 2020, 11:24 AM) *

QUOTE(tazz9924 @ May 2 2020, 10:22 AM) *

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 1 2020, 10:57 PM) *

So we have the molds and are cleaning them. We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
we will have the options to add balsa just like the GT hoods.
Option for headlight delete hoods will be available for both. I will post more as we move along, but we will need to do some repair work on the molds to get to the point we can pull parts. we will then figure out how much they cost to make.

Planning to run 10 sets at a large discount to launch these. Number sill follow
So who's interested at least for now?

What does the rear deck lid look like? does it have the rear duckbill?

Rear deck lid will be bone stock in a gel coat primer unless you want Carbon fiber. Would be easy to add, but we are not planning to do the deck tails at this time. Sheridan has a rear wing mold that we may look at, but not yet.

Mark

What about the hood will it be one with a duct in it?

Posted by: B2524 May 2 2020, 01:51 PM

I would be interested in two of each depending on what the price is.

Posted by: 914werke May 2 2020, 02:21 PM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 1 2020, 11:57 PM) *
We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
So is there any consideration for offering just a skin(s) that can be applied to OE substructure? Obviously at a lessor price point. smile.gif

Posted by: Retroracer May 2 2020, 03:19 PM

Interested in both balsa reinforced GT hood and/or trunk replicas - but some idea of price would be good....?

- Tony

Posted by: Mikey914 May 2 2020, 03:32 PM

QUOTE(Retroracer @ May 2 2020, 02:19 PM) *

Interested in both balsa reinforced GT hood and/or trunk replicas - but some idea of price would be good....?

- Tony

Understood, but as you know we don't put much margin on our group buys, so when I have tight numbers I will.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 2 2020, 03:34 PM

QUOTE(914werke @ May 2 2020, 01:21 PM) *

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 1 2020, 11:57 PM) *
We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
So is there any consideration for offering just a skin(s) that can be applied to OE substructure? Obviously at a lessor price point. smile.gif

Possible, just not sure how much demand for a DIY project thee is

Posted by: Mikey914 May 2 2020, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 2 2020, 11:24 AM) *

QUOTE(tazz9924 @ May 2 2020, 10:22 AM) *

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 1 2020, 10:57 PM) *

So we have the molds and are cleaning them. We did not get the substructure molds and are making them now. we are looking to pull a set in fiberglass and carbon fiber.
we will have the options to add balsa just like the GT hoods.
Option for headlight delete hoods will be available for both. I will post more as we move along, but we will need to do some repair work on the molds to get to the point we can pull parts. we will then figure out how much they cost to make.

Planning to run 10 sets at a large discount to launch these. Number sill follow
So who's interested at least for now?

What does the rear deck lid look like? does it have the rear duckbill?

Rear deck lid will be bone stock in a gel coat primer unless you want Carbon fiber. Would be easy to add, but we are not planning to do the deck tails at this time. Sheridan has a rear wing mold that we may look at, but not yet.

Mark

What about the hood will it be one with a duct in it?

The stock parts we will do 1st.

Posted by: johnlush May 2 2020, 03:55 PM

Is your goal to produce lids comparable (or better smile.gif ) to the Getty Design offerings and priced competitively? I would be interested in a pair of GT lids with the balsa stiffeners. White gelcoat on the outside and clear resin on the underside. -John

Posted by: flyer86d May 2 2020, 03:59 PM

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Is your goal to produce lids comparable (or better smile.gif ) to the Getty Design offerings and priced competitively? I would be interested in a pair of GT lids with the balsa stiffeners. White gelcoat on the outside and clear resin on the underside. -John


Yes. Me too.

Charlie

Posted by: burton73 May 2 2020, 04:24 PM

Will you make a hood only for water cooled cars like my V8 car with vent out?


Bob B

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Posted by: eric9144 May 2 2020, 10:14 PM

QUOTE(johnlush @ May 2 2020, 02:55 PM) *

Is your goal to produce lids comparable (or better smile.gif ) to the Getty Design offerings and priced competitively? I would be interested in a pair of GT lids with the balsa stiffeners. White gelcoat on the outside and clear resin on the underside. -John

Same here beerchug.gif

Posted by: mb911 May 3 2020, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(johnlush @ May 2 2020, 02:55 PM) *

Is your goal to produce lids comparable (or better smile.gif ) to the Getty Design offerings and priced competitively? I would be interested in a pair of GT lids with the balsa stiffeners. White gelcoat on the outside and clear resin on the underside. -John

Same here beerchug.gif



Yes please here as well.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 3 2020, 09:10 AM

We decided to start with the GT type and stock hoods. The only difference is that we do have an option for a headlight delete hood. Basically covers the buckets made for those that have removed the headlights ( That's more of a racing option ). As we have that mold.

The idea is that we want to supply a suitable replacement for 914 hoods that have rusted out I have a car with this issue and I have see a few others do too.

Our initial plan was to do a gray primer gel coat, so that you could scuff with a 600 grit and shoot.

The white gel coat is easily done fro the balsa reinforced ones. Matt is doing some research right now to to determine exactly what the factor layup of these looked like.

More to come soon

Posted by: mdelwiche May 3 2020, 09:16 AM

I would be interested in the carbon fiber

Posted by: 914 Ranch May 3 2020, 09:47 AM

AR-14 needs new lids as they are old racer junk and look it. I'll be needing a front hood with headlight delete.
So I'll fallow this and get back to you when you start making them.

Posted by: wes May 3 2020, 10:43 AM

I need a carbon fiber rear trunk lid.

Posted by: sb914 May 3 2020, 11:44 AM

Does - can the CF hood and deck lid be high gloss finish?

Posted by: AZBanks May 3 2020, 01:07 PM

I am interested in 2 of each depending on price.

Posted by: kid914 May 3 2020, 04:31 PM

I didn t see a price for cardon fiber set??

Posted by: Mikey914 May 3 2020, 09:30 PM

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I didn t see a price for cardon fiber set??

We are still cleaning and reworking part of the molds. Prices will be posted fro the GB as soon as costs are nailed down.

Posted by: kid914 May 4 2020, 03:18 PM

Thank you sir!

Posted by: BuddyV May 4 2020, 03:33 PM

I would be interested in a set of Carbon Fiber

Front and rear

Posted by: RoadGlue May 4 2020, 03:52 PM

Interested in fiber front/rear, but would need to know pricing. Thanks guys!

Posted by: MATTYLITE May 4 2020, 04:36 PM

Side note, I have to say that I am elated to know that 914 Rubber took over the molds for Sheridan's kits... and now the path of carbon fiber as an option is really great, especially when I look to the future w/ replacement pieces to my current fiberglass Sheridan pieces. Keep up the great work. I believe Marty is going to PM you about some finer details to pay attention to on your batches, which we faced on our OE pieces.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 4 2020, 04:38 PM

I understand and we are working out the details. As you know I don;t add much to my costs to make it worth while to do the GB so as soon as we have the molds ready to go and are happy with the product (hopefully about a week) we can start nailing down price.

The fiberglass will be the 1st followed but the Carbon fiber, and perhaps even Kevlar fiber.

Mark

Posted by: 914forme May 4 2020, 06:41 PM

GT style, clear bottom, white gel top please both front and rear. headbang.gif I really do not need to do this. headbang.gif But want to so badly aktion035.gif

Thank you

Posted by: Conceivedready61 May 4 2020, 08:00 PM

I'm Interested in Carbon with H/Light delete, also for anyone wanting a Stock Hood my 1975 hood is White, no dents, some paint chips, but you could bolt it on and it would look very good, anybody interested I'll send pics.

Posted by: JRust May 4 2020, 08:29 PM

Interested in Carbon Fiber as well front & rear

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop May 5 2020, 05:45 PM

Interested too.
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Posted by: Mikey914 May 5 2020, 07:42 PM

QUOTE(Conceivedready61 @ May 4 2020, 07:00 PM) *

I'm Interested in Carbon with H/Light delete, also for anyone wanting a Stock Hood my 1975 hood is White, no dents, some paint chips, but you could bolt it on and it would look very good, anybody interested I'll send pics.

As you are in Oregon we may be able to work a direct trade at the shop. I need one without rust which is why I did this.

Posted by: sreyemj May 5 2020, 07:46 PM

Interested too, will be following.

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop May 7 2020, 11:23 AM

Looking forward to see what they weight. If theres not much difference between the glass or carbon I think glass might be a better option for me.

Also, is a Sheridan hood the same shape as a factory hood?

Posted by: Mikey914 May 7 2020, 03:02 PM

QUOTE(Jetsetsurfshop @ May 7 2020, 10:23 AM) *

Looking forward to see what they weight. If theres not much difference between the glass or carbon I think glass might be a better option for me.

Also, is a Sheridan hood the same shape as a factory hood?

2 versions of the hoods one with headlight delete, the other just like factory.

Molds will be ready to start pulling next week! piratenanner.gif

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop May 11 2020, 06:23 PM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 7 2020, 01:02 PM) *

QUOTE(Jetsetsurfshop @ May 7 2020, 10:23 AM) *

Looking forward to see what they weight. If theres not much difference between the glass or carbon I think glass might be a better option for me.

Also, is a Sheridan hood the same shape as a factory hood?

2 versions of the hoods one with headlight delete, the other just like factory.

Molds will be ready to start pulling next week! piratenanner.gif


Headlight delete is what I'm after. Looking forward to seeing some images and prices.
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Posted by: Conceivedready61 May 11 2020, 06:49 PM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 5 2020, 08:42 PM) *

QUOTE(Conceivedready61 @ May 4 2020, 07:00 PM) *

I'm Interested in Carbon with H/Light delete, also for anyone wanting a Stock Hood my 1975 hood is White, no dents, some paint chips, but you could bolt it on and it would look very good, anybody interested I'll send pics.

As you are in Oregon we may be able to work a direct trade at the shop. I need one without rust which is why I did this.



I'm up for that, I don't believe the hood has any Rust, but could be wrong, it is Very Clean though.

Posted by: eric914 May 14 2020, 07:26 AM

Would be interested in the GT style option smile.gif

Posted by: pilothyer May 14 2020, 09:43 PM

Interested in a set !!

Posted by: G e o r g e May 14 2020, 10:26 PM

interested in GT version

Posted by: Driver174 May 14 2020, 11:00 PM

Interested, but will depend on final price.

Jim

Posted by: Mikey914 May 16 2020, 11:47 AM

Just about ready to start making parts. They took a bit more time than we thought to prep, but I'm excited to get going on these!


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Posted by: horizontally-opposed May 16 2020, 02:37 PM

Very cool, and good on you for putting these into production Mark.

Would love to finally see a real weight savings between CF lids and the factory originals in steel (so many of which have a lot of material on them by now). When I think about trying to offset the weight gain of my six conversion, three things always come to mind first: GT lids, GT bumpers, and a lightweight battery.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 16 2020, 07:16 PM

Best weight savings for the $ is fiberglass.
Carbon fiber will be lighter but on a per/lb basis you can make lighter at a higher cost.

Posted by: burton73 May 16 2020, 08:24 PM

You never got back on the vented hoods for a water-cooled car. Are you going to make any of those so I could get one?

Bob B

Posted by: AG914 May 16 2020, 09:13 PM

Definitely interested in a headlight delete hood with cooling duct if those get made in the future aktion035.gif

Posted by: Mikey914 May 16 2020, 11:30 PM

QUOTE(burton73 @ May 16 2020, 07:24 PM) *

You never got back on the vented hoods for a water-cooled car. Are you going to make any of those so I could get one?

Bob B

Yes, but they will not be 1st. We are doing what we have tooling for 1st. The part he had the plug for was not good, so we will have to start over.

Posted by: 914-300Hemi May 17 2020, 07:29 AM

I would be interested in a set depending on the price. Trying to figure out which one.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 22 2020, 09:00 AM

Update we are making the nut plates for these and will be getting to the 1st prototype this next week

Posted by: 914forme May 22 2020, 09:22 AM

Thank you Mark for the update on the progress.

Posted by: jd74914 May 22 2020, 09:24 AM

Sweet. Looking forward to seeing how these turn out and getting an idea of pricing.

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop May 31 2020, 06:20 PM

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Sweet. Looking forward to seeing how these turn out and getting an idea of pricing.


Me too.
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Posted by: pete000 May 31 2020, 06:38 PM

Would be interested in knowing the actual weight comparisons between stock steel lids, fiberglass lids, and the carbon lids. Also will it be a true bolt on configuration requiring no hood pins? I would imagine the carbon lids will be much stiffer than the Fiberglass units.

Are you going to vacuum bag the carbon?

One last thing, it would be cool if you were able to put some yellow die in the resin for that aged OE GT look on the underside.

Depending on all the above I would be interested in a set.

Posted by: Mikey914 May 31 2020, 09:38 PM

Well got these into the molds friday. Should have some news later this week.

Sheridan was selling just the skins on these and fro full race you could attach a tab and and use a Dzus fastener. which is fine, but we are doing a complete version on these too.
I figured most folks wouldn't want to "modify" the car for the hoods to this extent. We will however be making pins and plates for hood closure as well as a mount for the stock latch.


Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 1 2020, 12:35 PM

Busy day so far more to follow in a day or two.
Doing up a front and rear hood assembly, one with the headlight delete 1st
we are figuring out the time and materials needed to ba able to price these. Should have numbers late this week.


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Posted by: RoadGlue Jun 1 2020, 01:02 PM

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Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 19 2020, 09:32 PM

Finally got these bonded and will have to test fit after I get back from Seattle this next week. We did a test tit on the substructure to assure everything alligns, just some trimming and finishing to go.

Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 20 2020, 12:45 AM

Some pics


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Posted by: 914e Jun 20 2020, 10:36 AM

I would love to see someone come out with a carbon fiber targa.

Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 20 2020, 11:24 AM

We are doing the clear roof 1st, but doable.
Have a lot of irons in the fire with these, the bumper tops, the valances, and front end kits and flared bits.

You are going to see a lot of new resin based products coming from us shortly.

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Jul 5 2020, 04:36 PM

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I would love to see someone come out with a carbon fiber targa.


I'd like to see the weight saving here too. driving.gif

Posted by: ConeDodger Jul 5 2020, 06:29 PM

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PM sent with a few questions about a set in carbon! aktion035.gif


OMG! Mark this down! Chris might finally write a check instead of fabricate it himself! lol-2.gif av-943.gif

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19241

Posted by: tygaboy Jul 5 2020, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(tygaboy @ May 2 2020, 10:39 AM) *

PM sent with a few questions about a set in carbon! aktion035.gif


OMG! Mark this down! Chris might finally write a check instead of fabricate it himself! lol-2.gif av-943.gif

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19241


@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3380 Absolutely! I've long said that if you can buy it vs make it, that's the way to go. It just happens that I can't buy a lot of the bits I happen to want, so... sawzall-smiley.gif smash.gif welder.gif

Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 5 2020, 07:13 PM

We did test fits on the car this last week. We are pulling one with headlight delete this week. We are working out the the cutting and finishing for these so they fit correctly. More pics soon.

Posted by: abes914 Jul 5 2020, 09:01 PM

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I would love to see someone come out with a carbon fiber targa.


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I am being nice to Mrs Santa so I am hoping to get carbon top when ready.

Posted by: 914 Ranch Jul 6 2020, 10:29 AM

Still following, I need it all. Deleted headlight front led and a rear led, front and rear bumpers and valence's. Then I can start thinking about fenders and rockers.
I have cash and not asking about the price just tell me about the bottom line.
I'll probably want Carbon later.

Posted by: db9146 Jul 6 2020, 05:56 PM

Mark, I think I saw the answer to my question but please confirm.....since these are FG (or even the CF version), these will require the corner pins near the headlights in addition to the center stock latch, correct?

Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 7 2020, 01:28 AM

Actually we are setting these up to not require pins, however they look sharp. We will probably do a run of the pins and plates. It will require a lower tension spring that we are also working on for the front trunk.
We will offer just the skins for those that want to use pins or dzus screws to attach too. Just like Sheridan did when he made them. The internal support structure is something we are making to make mount like the stock lids. More to come this week.
Mark

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Jul 25 2020, 08:23 PM

Any progress??
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Posted by: pete000 Jul 25 2020, 09:54 PM

Balsa wood GT stiffeners?

Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 26 2020, 01:51 PM

Yes will be an option, however we have to build one to figure costs

Posted by: 914forme Aug 4 2020, 12:05 PM

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Willing to be the genie pig for GT lids

Posted by: Mikey914 Aug 5 2020, 11:55 AM

Will have the Headlight delete version ready this week!
We are tracking time and materials to price these correctly.

Posted by: slowrodent Aug 5 2020, 01:08 PM

I'd be interested in a fiberglass rear deck lid. Depending upon final cost. Thanks, Kevin

Posted by: 914 Ranch Aug 5 2020, 07:35 PM

Everytime I see this thread I get a smile on my face.
Bump...

Posted by: SO.O.C914er Aug 5 2020, 08:26 PM

Looking forward to the clear roof for sure..... drive on Paul driving.gif

Posted by: john77 Aug 6 2020, 09:56 AM

Definitely interested in a set of the FG or possibly CF hood + decklid - just depends on the difference in prices. And a set of the hood pins/plates too.

Posted by: Mikey914 Aug 26 2020, 04:46 PM

Making progress,
We have to make parts to see what these really cost,
but we are almost there


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Posted by: 914forme Aug 26 2020, 05:01 PM

LOL I will add the PayPal fee for these, and I am not planning on running Carbon on my build. Those are drooley.gif

Still wanting clear Fiberglass with Balsa ala Factory GT style. Even do it like the factory lids and sign them in red before the last clear gel goes on the underside.

Posted by: Alain V. Aug 26 2020, 05:02 PM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Aug 26 2020, 05:46 PM) *

Making progress,
We have to make parts to see what these really cost,
but we are almost there

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Posted by: mb911 Aug 26 2020, 05:15 PM

QUOTE(914forme @ Aug 26 2020, 03:01 PM) *

LOL I will add the PayPal fee for these, and I am not planning on running Carbon on my build. Those are drooley.gif

Still wanting clear Fiberglass with Balsa ala Factory GT style. Even do it like the factory lids and sign them in red before the last clear gel goes on the underside.



That would be awesome

Posted by: Mikey914 Aug 26 2020, 07:21 PM

its the next one we are building,
Matt's doing a write up on his Lufthansa tribute car.
More to come
Mark

Posted by: 914forme Aug 26 2020, 07:23 PM

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Posted by: GermermanCarGuy Aug 26 2020, 08:52 PM

Been shopping for front and rear lids and stumbled on this thread. Glad someone is still making these.

I'd be interested in a FG or CF front hood and rear deck lid (w/pins and plates). Also price dependent, but definitely interested.

RobF

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Aug 28 2020, 07:01 PM

Did you weight the carbon hood and trunk? I gotta know.... chowtime.gif

Posted by: wes Aug 28 2020, 09:44 PM

So excited to get the CB rear lid! I’ve got the front one fitted ready for painting but wanted to paint them together. :popcorn:looking good, waiting patiently.

Posted by: Mikey914 Aug 29 2020, 10:57 AM

One more item too


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Posted by: PlaysWithCars Aug 30 2020, 11:03 PM

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Did you weight the carbon hood and trunk? I gotta know.... chowtime.gif


What's the difference compared to stock steel? Assuming its a meaningful amount for the factory to do it on the GT cars.

Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 30 2020, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(Jetsetsurfshop @ Aug 28 2020, 06:01 PM) *

Did you weight the carbon hood and trunk? I gotta know.... chowtime.gif


What's the difference compared to stock steel? Assuming its a meaningful amount for the factory to do it on the GT cars.

l have getty carbon fiber and real factory GT lids..the factory ones are lighter..super thin and delicate..

Posted by: Mikey914 Aug 31 2020, 12:57 AM

It is meaningful,
I will be posting up later this week as we open up the GB we have made some significant improvements and will be able to offer with headlight delete option too.
ALSO IN CARBON FIBER

Posted by: ri914 Aug 31 2020, 04:38 AM

These look awesome, can't wait to see more and pricing!

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 1 2020, 02:33 PM

We have completed the 1st round of the light weight ones and unfortunately Matt painted them before we got them weighed. but will have that when I get back Wed. We are also doing a reinforced "heavier" panel that is a little more rigid. More to come this week

Posted by: sportlicherFahrer Sep 1 2020, 06:01 PM

Very interested in CF lids, depending on cost of course. Looks great so far!

Posted by: JRust Sep 1 2020, 06:46 PM

If you have a pair I'd be happy to model them at Red Rocks next week! I leave this Saturday though smile.gif

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Sep 2 2020, 08:52 AM

If the price is right I'd love to get a light weight hood on my car for Champcar. My current hood is 35lbs!! WTF.gif
Way to heavy for a race car. driving.gif

Posted by: Garland Sep 2 2020, 09:04 AM

Im in for front with headlamp delete, and a rear, and maybe a top.

Posted by: 914forme Sep 2 2020, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(PlaysWithCars @ Aug 30 2020, 11:03 PM) *

QUOTE(Jetsetsurfshop @ Aug 28 2020, 06:01 PM) *

Did you weight the carbon hood and trunk? I gotta know.... chowtime.gif


What's the difference compared to stock steel? Assuming its a meaningful amount for the factory to do it on the GT cars.

l have getty carbon fiber and real factory GT lids..the factory ones are lighter..super thin and delicate..

Yeah I transported that exact set of Factory GT hoods from Dayton Ohio to Atlanta, I know them well. Extremely light and you can see pictures of them distorted at speed.

Remember picking them up and thinking they weigh less than a gallon of milk.

Posted by: Matty900 Sep 2 2020, 04:04 PM

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We have completed the 1st round of the light weight ones and unfortunately Matt painted them before we got them weighed. but will have that when I get back Wed. We are also doing a reinforced "heavier" panel that is a little more rigid. More to come this week

These are the weights before anything done to them


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Posted by: Matty900 Sep 2 2020, 04:05 PM

10.20-10.25 on the rear


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Posted by: Matty900 Sep 2 2020, 04:10 PM

11.45 -11.55 on the front


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Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 3 2020, 12:01 AM

Hate to say it but the carbon fiber ones will actually be lighter I was working on these today and found that when the carbon fiber got laid up it got bonded to the fiberglass substructure not a carbon fiber one. I will have final weights tomorrow.
-Mark

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 3 2020, 05:57 PM

OK
So the weights are as follows -These are nominal and may very slightly with amount of bonding material used.

Front hoods

Haltbar Glass -
Front hood with headlights - 12.2#
Front hood headlight delete - 12.4#

Carbon fiber -
Front hood with headlights - 10#
Front hood with delete - 10.1#

Rear deck lid

Haltbar Glass -
Rear hood - 10.9#

Carbon fiber -
Rear hood - 9.8#

There a a full write up I'm doing on the Haltbar glass panels we are making. We have committed to a very large quantity of materials to be able to make these, and will be using them for all of our products moving forward. We will have these in this next week to be able to start production.

Posted by: Garland Sep 3 2020, 09:04 PM

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Posted by: pete000 Sep 3 2020, 10:22 PM

Stock lid weights?

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 10 2020, 12:09 PM

Unfortunately I don;t have a stock hood laying around to weigh, but I have a front on a parts car that I can check later today.

We are just working on finalizing prices now. There will be a few options -

1) Skins only -no substructure. These were how Sheridan made them. Will require Dzus screws and putting metal mounting tabs on your body. This is more of a race application. Will NOT bolt on with stock mounts.

2) Ultralight version - Has a substructure like factory and bolts right on. If you want to cut and buff these hard you will want to use a "bean bag" to support them as they will flex with pressure, but are the lightest version (both Haltbar and carbon fiber).

3) Stock with support rib - Mounts like stock, we are adding an additional support rib in hard foam that will not add a lot of weight, but is an additional cost as well as rigidity.

4) GT using balsa made to look like a GT hood

We plan to produce in either a white gel coat or grey prime gel coat. The carbon fiber will be visible on the underside. Support structures we plan to do in black gel coat.

There will be an option for a cosmetic carbon fiber surface, this will be the most expensive as it can be very labor intensive.

As you can see it's not just a matter of front or back, but other choices that create costs. So this is why we are offering a "menu" on these

We will be finalizing this this week.
Mark

PS we have a new process and materials that will make the "fiberglass" option much more durable
We call it -

Haltbar Panel - They are more durable than standard fiberglass panels. We are actually switching ALL of our fiberglass over to this. We are also setting up test beds to actually show you why it's better. This process will be a month or so out, but this should change the way you look at fiberglass.

Posted by: 914forme Sep 10 2020, 05:39 PM

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Haltbar is durable to all you English speakers out there. More direct translation would be keeps for a long time.

And what I hear you saying is it will be a Group buy sometime in November so I can add it to my Christmas List for Santa.

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 10 2020, 05:46 PM

Actually not.

It will be sooner. We are cutting more support structure metal (for mounting) now and WILL be in production this month. We have also added some new spoilers and parts too.

We had hoped to be making these now but we are within a week of being able to produce in mass.

Also on the Haltbar, it's not just a name change, but different materials, and layup techniques that make it stronger. We are switching out all of our production to this version moving forward as it a significant improvement in strength and flexibility.

Posted by: frankiec@outrageous.net Sep 10 2020, 09:25 PM

Bump

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Sep 24 2020, 02:19 PM

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Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 24 2020, 05:50 PM

Ready to make parts just not listed yet,
Either way tomorrow I will open this up.
Mark

Posted by: 914forme Sep 24 2020, 07:09 PM

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Stock lid weights?


Front Steel was about 33# bare

The Rear Decklid was 31# bare

Might be a pound or two off due to having to hold it to keep it on the scale.


Posted by: arvcube Sep 24 2020, 07:44 PM

I'm looking for a rear trunk lid. Perfect timing smile.gif

Posted by: Alain V. Sep 25 2020, 11:18 AM

patiently waiting here too.....
going to need at least one front and one rear lid,,,,,,,possibly two

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 26 2020, 02:55 AM

As promised I have PM'd everyone on these with the pricing. Unfortunately some of the packaging details and shipping have yet to be finalized. The crating if we can make something that complete is less than 75# for a set (and I think we can), will keep out of the overweight category, The size we need to minimize to get into 1st oversize for Fedex otherwise LTL may be cheaper (or Greyhound) We have some research to do on that one.
So getting these listed up correctly on the website has been a hassle. I will have it up late this next week. I know a few of you want these fro events so I fired off the PM's.

We were able to get the price point down on the carbon fiber, and the Haltbar program is not far off the carbon fiber so It didn't make sense to really make a product that was similar in performance that was only a little less expensive.

A few questions to answer

You do not need pits to hold down the ones with substructure as the will use the front latch.

We are also working on a lighter duty spring to open the lighter hoods with much less force as it's a bit crazy with the light weight hoods.

More soon

But we are ready for production on these now!
And a few others are coming on line too




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Posted by: tazz9924 Sep 26 2020, 03:15 AM

Ooo are those door skins i spy? i could be in the market for those, im also eargly awaiting the deck lids with the spoiler if you have any plans to make them.

Posted by: daytona Sep 26 2020, 08:00 AM

Just found this thread. I would be interested in front and rear set GT style depending on the price. Don't know if anyone has asked about shipping cost. Any idea on that?
Bill.

Posted by: JamesM Sep 26 2020, 01:02 PM

Also in the market for front and rear carbon or fiberglass. Depending on price.

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 26 2020, 02:19 PM

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Just found this thread. I would be interested in front and rear set GT style depending on the price. Don't know if anyone has asked about shipping cost. Any idea on that?
Bill.

We have to build them 1st to determine exactly what the costs are. They are in the next round. We decided to scale up production for these 1st. It will be about 2 weeks before I will have a definitive answer.
-Mark

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Sep 26 2020, 04:46 PM

Working on what to order. Had some questions.

I assume this looks like our factory steel lids?
2) Ultralight version - Has a substructure like factory and bolts right on. If you want to cut and buff these hard you will want to use a "bean bag" to support them as they will flex with pressure, but are the lightest version (both Haltbar and carbon fiber).

Whats this look like and what does it weight?
3) Stock with support rib - Mounts like stock, we are adding an additional support rib in hard foam that will not add a lot of weight, but is an additional cost as well as rigidity.

Thanks
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Posted by: PlaysWithCars Sep 27 2020, 10:13 AM

Hey Mark, awesome progress and incredible that you will be able to offer so many variations to meet individual customer needs. Question, there was mention that there will also be a 'GT' version coming. Can you elaborate on how that will differ from the other offerings described above? (skin only, lite and reinforced)

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Sep 27 2020, 11:43 AM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Sep 3 2020, 04:57 PM) *

OK
So the weights are as follows -These are nominal and may very slightly with amount of bonding material used.

Front hoods

Haltbar Glass -
Front hood with headlights - 12.2#
Front hood headlight delete - 12.4#

Carbon fiber -
Front hood with headlights - 10#
Front hood with delete - 10.1#

Rear deck lid

Haltbar Glass -
Rear hood - 10.9#

Carbon fiber -
Rear hood - 9.8#



QUOTE(914forme @ Sep 24 2020, 06:09 PM) *


Front Steel was about 33# bare

The Rear Decklid was 31# bare

Might be a pound or two off due to having to hold it to keep it on the scale.


^ Pretty attractive.

So there's an opportunity to lose 40~ pounds with no loss of utility and little aesthetic downside as well. Add another 15-25 pounds lost with an Odyssey PC680 or PC925 and roughly 50% of the added weight of a six conversion can be offset by three pieces, and in good places (high up) to do so.

One thing I do wonder about is the wavy look of fiberglass GT lids of old (which is cool on the right kind of 914, usually with GT flares) and the paint "bleed-in" seen with carbon-fiber (seen on Ferrari F40s and, lately, Carrera GTs), where the pattern of the panel starts to become apparent. Might be worth it for the weight savings (!), but curious for inputs. The Alfaholics "hidden" carbon lids for its Guilia GT hot rods has me wanting to do a pair of these for my 914—body color on top and bare CF on bottom. Or just all body color.

Very, very cool development.

Posted by: forrestkhaag Sep 27 2020, 01:18 PM

I am interested in a stock hood however, i have learned that after crating an existing metal hood, the shipping cost was outrageous / your thoughts on shipping costs when you get your price fixed would help define actual demand.

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Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 27 2020, 01:35 PM

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Hey Mark, awesome progress and incredible that you will be able to offer so many variations to meet individual customer needs. Question, there was mention that there will also be a 'GT' version coming. Can you elaborate on how that will differ from the other offerings described above? (skin only, lite and reinforced)

The GT lid will be as true of a construction to the original as possible. Think of it as a true tribute.
Costs will dependent on the costs we incurred in making them. We have to work on these to release price and are waiting on some material.

The lite version is just that. The lightest possible product in each material.
The only issue with these are finishing them. If you want to cut and buff them it has to be done on a buck ( basically a bean bag) to put the pressure on the surface.

The reinforced have a reinforcement rib to make them like the stock hood. It weighs a little more but also has a cost. So you can choose your options.

I hope this helps clear up some of the questions

Posted by: Mikey914 Sep 27 2020, 01:41 PM

QUOTE(forrestkhaag @ Sep 27 2020, 12:18 PM) *

I am interested in a stock hood however, i have learned that after crating an existing metal hood, the shipping cost was outrageous / your thoughts on shipping costs when you get your price fixed would help define actual demand.

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We are currently working on packaging that will help reduce some of the cost.
We also have commercial rates on shipping and are exploring other shipping opportunities too.
Unfortunately these are not finalized yet

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Sep 27 2020, 01:47 PM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Sep 27 2020, 12:41 PM) *


We are currently working on packaging that will help reduce some of the cost.
We also have commercial rates on shipping and are exploring other shipping opportunities too.
Unfortunately these are not finalized yet


^ Not much to be done about the size of the item, but ~10lbs plus packaging should be a lot more palatable than ~30lbs, and unlike steel these shouldn't dent. I wonder how minimal the packaging can be made.

What I've never understood is how PAG and an art company I have worked with get windshields and windshield-sized art from Germany to California via FedEx for $60~ and whether that's a Germany thing? If not, could be helpful here…

Posted by: 914forme Sep 28 2020, 02:15 PM

Volume Contracts and good negotiations work wonders.

Worked with a company that we negotiated a shipping contract for everything overnight due to what we shipped it was about 10 per unit.

Also worked with another group where we needed to ship items all over the country, medical transplant related. We could ship anywhere with in 4 hours, for $12.94 a run.

Wonder how they working with the reduced number of commercial flights.

The offset to these great deals is other accept rates that are much higher, and forget about it if you are a consumer walking into the store front.

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 8 2020, 05:34 PM

1st partial run will be complete this next week. More pics soon

Posted by: Craigers17 Oct 9 2020, 02:24 AM

I'm in for one of the fiberglass rear deck lids. Thanks.

Posted by: flat4guy Oct 9 2020, 08:31 PM

I like the front spoiler - any pics with that installed?

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 9 2020, 10:53 PM

1st production parts are scheduled out Monday. I will be crating and sending out. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18454 has some pictures installed on my red car as a test bed.

Posted by: jb6000 Oct 17 2020, 03:27 PM

I am interested in prices of front and rear truck lids, fiberglass, stock with headlights and no rear spoiler.


Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 20 2020, 12:02 AM

Ok we are getting to actually getting parts out the door. I will have these listed up on the site this week.

One of the biggest problems that was a variable was the shipping.

We have a 56x49x7 crate that is needed to house both front and rear hoods.

We packed this one with HF blankets and lots of bubble wrap. The Carbon fiber hood with packing and crate cam to 83# for all. I may be able to get down to 75 without the blankets using more bubble wrap The problem is the size. Shipping via Fedex for the 75# rate was $228, and $235 for 83#

We are checking to see if we can get some better Greyhound or LTL rates now. But the 1st 3 sets will be shipping out this week.

There are a lot of moving pieces on this project. We are starting to solidify this finally.
Thanks all for your patience I will PM everyone with the codes as soon as Blake gets them together.
-Mark


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Posted by: ValcoOscar Oct 20 2020, 09:35 AM

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1st production parts are scheduled out Monday. I will be crating and sending out. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18454 has some pictures installed on my red car as a test bed.



@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=18454

In an effort to help on first batch coming to LA/OC/SD areas. Crate up as many as you need in one crate and ship it to my business address (90255). I have docks, forklifts, and storage. I can then coordinate with your buyers for pick up or delivery. Cost savings for all. piratenanner.gif

Let me know....

Oscar

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 20 2020, 10:37 AM

Thanks looking at a consolidation model. It's not that they are really heavy. Mostly bulky and we are working to bring down shipping costs.
Mark

Posted by: PlaysWithCars Oct 21 2020, 10:27 PM

Mark, are you also making progress on the balsa wood reinforced GT version? Still interested if you have figured out pricing.

Posted by: pete000 Oct 21 2020, 10:35 PM

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Mark, are you also making progress on the balsa wood reinforced GT version? Still interested if you have figured out pricing.



Ditto...

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 22 2020, 09:28 AM

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Mark, are you also making progress on the balsa wood reinforced GT version? Still interested if you have figured out pricing.

Yes we have the pattern figures out. I plan to open up the GB for these to all and after we have our production run on these I will be able to tie up the molds longer.
As far a pricing I will not know how long it takes to build until I do one, so the answer is not yet.

Posted by: jmalone Oct 22 2020, 04:02 PM

Wow, absolutely beautiful!

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 22 2020, 09:44 PM

Got the other 2 sets I've run through coming out Monday.

-Mark

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