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Posted by: Matty900 Jun 25 2020, 04:16 PM

The 916 was to be the fastest production car that Porsche had produced to that time. The body is notably modified. So I am curious what the fastest 914-s look like. What have you done to your car?


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Posted by: Root_Werks Jun 25 2020, 04:46 PM

A 914-6 conversion I had back in....1992 I think read 150mph on the speedo. I doubt that was accurate and it was probably more a true 135mph-ish. It had a 2.4 six.

Posted by: rgalla9146 Jun 25 2020, 05:20 PM

a well known New Jersey racer went fast enough to blow the windshield trim off the car.
20 + years ago. Pretty fast for a brick.

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2020, 05:24 PM

I've topped out at right about 135mph (stock 901 and close to stock tire diameter) which is right where the top limit should be using stock gears and tire diameter.
Lower profile/radius tires/wheels will reduce that top speed.


So really, all that additional power i have is just good for getting me to the top speed faster.

Posted by: davep Jun 25 2020, 05:26 PM

See if Dr. Ferdinand Piech recorded what speeds he attained on the autobahn with 914111.

Posted by: second wind Jun 25 2020, 05:45 PM

I was going near 100 in my 914/6 in the mountains above Boulder Colorado while in college and the wind helped blow my windshield trim off. Winds hit 100mph + on the Boulder area.
gg

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jun 25 2020, 05:46 PM

Silver State Classic cars are probably the fastest 914s I know of. Also the Von K car?

I know a number of them have been well over 150 at Big Willow, and I think one was over 150 cornering?

Ron Mistak's center-seat 914 also comes to mind, but that was hardly recognizable as a 914 with its GT1-style body.

Then there are some turbo-V8 cars that have to be good for 170+?

Posted by: tvdinnerbythepool Jun 25 2020, 05:54 PM

73

Posted by: tygaboy Jun 25 2020, 06:18 PM

Tony @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=11316 has track video of nearly 170 in his. Granted, it's got an LS7 and Boxster S trans and brakes. Does that still count as being a 914?

Posted by: Andyrew Jun 25 2020, 06:24 PM

I plan to do an airport mil some day...

I've done 150 a couple times but who knows if that was accurate. I've done middle of 4th a few times in my current engine setup which was about 135-140. It would probably do 160+ as it sits with 300whp pretty easy.



I have a goal to do 190 in the standing mile someday.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jun 25 2020, 06:28 PM

I think Tony's car, @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=11316 , is the fastest 914 I have heard of. Chris' car is going to be one for the record books too. I can't imagine what Matty's, @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=14843 , Porsche V-8 engined car is going to be like. I hope to be there if he attempts to reach a top speed, on a track of course. Can you imagine Tony and Chris' car on the track together. I know there are quite a few LS motors in 914's but I am really only familiar with those two.

Posted by: mepstein Jun 25 2020, 06:30 PM

I was thinking Tony's car as well. He did Octeenerfest so it's a street/track car.

Posted by: Andyrew Jun 25 2020, 06:55 PM

I'm thinking the Rod Simpson twin turbo red car was the fastest claimed car but that was some 35 years ago (hot rod magazine cover.. 180+ iirc).

Modern day I agree Tony's car is the fastest Ive heard of.

Posted by: Chris914n6 Jun 25 2020, 07:05 PM

I think Carl's car did 170 in the 150 average class. 944 Turbo clone nose and a sloped back windshield. Worked for him because he was short. I think the engine was a built 3.0L

Posted by: wndsrfr Jun 25 2020, 07:13 PM

OK, I'll bite....here's Kermee at Daytona clocking 153 on my GPS...watch the American Flag showing the nice tailwind down from turn 4 to the tri-oval start/finish line...I pointed at the buried 150mph speedo at about 1:06 in the clip....
Pump up the volume & enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdsRVmnX09c

Oh yeah...here's the body configuration....

Posted by: SO.O.C914er Jun 25 2020, 08:09 PM

My number is not that impressive 102 on the 405 fwy in OC. Would like to push it to the limit but don’t want the replacement $$$$ if she signs off......drive on Paul.

Posted by: bdstone914 Jun 25 2020, 08:31 PM

I find Gus was clocked at 145 my the Mexican police on a Baja rallay.

Posted by: type2man Jun 25 2020, 08:42 PM

I did about 110-115 in my 74 with a 2.0 45 dells, cam and headers. Gets a little hairy at that speed

Posted by: 914e Jun 25 2020, 08:57 PM

Does anyone know what #40 was able to hit at Le Mans?

I have only had my 914 up to a blistering 35mph around the block a few times before I took it apart. Considering the condition of the brakes at the time, that was about 34 mph too fast.

Posted by: bkrantz Jun 25 2020, 09:17 PM

I can't remember the actual speeds, but I remember running out of revs in 4th gear and getting into 5th on the front oval at TWS, racing my IT 914 (slightly modified suspension but stock 2.0). I did build this awesome air dam for the front.


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Posted by: porschetub Jun 25 2020, 09:54 PM

,after getting my 6 in I did 100mph fairly easily then ran out of road,felt great.
I guess Glen or Marty could chime in with the top speed of the 914/6 GT Lemans cars,would be interested to know also ?

Posted by: Optimusglen Jun 25 2020, 10:27 PM

Good discussion guys! I dont think I've had mine over 75, haha.

Posted by: cali914 Jun 25 2020, 11:00 PM

hum my cousins car has to be one of the fastest 914s. he had a nascar SB2 878hp engine in his and he would pull the 911 turbos. bob stopanovich and joe wong in his GT2 on the straights. i will find out how fast he clocked on the straight at T Hill.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jun 25 2020, 11:35 PM

Now I am curious about this.

Stock 996 GT2 was 135 mph indicated on the way into Turn 1 at TH on a crisp cold day with a pro driving back in 2002, 130 with me.

Stock 991.2 Turbo was 145 mph into Turn 1 at TH a couple of years ago on a 106~ F afternoon with me driving. Oh yeah: it was a Cabriolet with an automatic transmission and heated & cooled seats.

But Wong and Bob were both very, very quick and know TH well. Curious what that 914 was seeing if it was pulling them on the straight. Now wondering what the fastest trap speed on that straight is. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=179 , do you know?

Posted by: RiqueMar Jun 25 2020, 11:53 PM

135moh in a with a 3.6 out of a C2 and a Wevo trans. I remember thinking I could’ve gotten higher... right before I got pulled over.

I don’t think 150 is out of reach at all, given the right conditions. Safety first!

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 26 2020, 01:47 AM

https://youtu.be/e-PFfwxR3SQ?t=1326
Huge difference that Carl and co. achieved with a few effective aero devices.
Surely, someone has, in the past 31 years, gone faster in a 914 in that road race, or any other.
Carl's ' Porschaus 914-6 ' had set the standard with the run through the canyons, and a radar trap speed of 175. Tremendous legacy if their record still stands.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=296

Posted by: Rav914 Jun 26 2020, 02:03 AM

I hit the 100mph number briefly. 1911cc motor with FI. Only exterior mod is the LE front spoiler.

I think I could have pushed it a little more....

Posted by: mgp4591 Jun 26 2020, 02:08 AM

And it's not just the 170 top speed that's fun... the acceleration is BRUTAL!!

Posted by: sb914 Jun 26 2020, 05:11 AM

135 in my v8 .started to “get light” in the front end, I got scared and backed off .

Posted by: campbellcj Jun 26 2020, 07:21 AM

Likewise, I run out of revs (gears) around 135 which is plenty fast in any 914 lacking extensive aero.

I imagine Roger Sheridan's "hippie" car which is barely a 914 at all, cooks pretty well around Turn 8 at Willow... I saw it run a number of times but unsure of times/speeds

Posted by: ChrisFoley Jun 26 2020, 08:16 AM

I stood next to a 914-V8 going 180 on a Dynojet roller.
Nick Ventura's "batmobile" has to be about the fastest 914 track car, pushed by a 956 motor.

Posted by: bdstone914 Jun 26 2020, 08:59 AM

It will be interesting to see how fast Marty's 1,000 hp twin turbo Cayenne power 914 will go.

Posted by: Jett Jun 26 2020, 09:01 AM

Coming out of Portland going downhill we got a ticket in our 73 1.7 doing 91mph...

Posted by: enikolayev Jun 26 2020, 09:14 AM

I can confirm a stock 1.7 with Webers and no valances (and a burned intake valve on #1) tops out at 95, measured with GPS.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 26 2020, 11:21 AM

There is a pic. here of one of Ralph Meaneys 914-6..Plaqared says 170 top speed ,,Daytona , I think.

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 26 2020, 11:50 AM

No, i do not know.

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 26 2020, 11:54 AM

And just to reiterate a point i was trying to make earlier:

More horsepower does not change your top speed, it just gets you there faster


Your (potential) top speed is a combination of the max. rpm of your engine plus your transmission gearing plus your wheel/tire diameter.

Posted by: iamchappy Jun 26 2020, 11:57 AM

170 is what Ralph Meaney told us.

Posted by: iamchappy Jun 26 2020, 12:00 PM

Don't know, but shut it down when i hit the rev limiter at 7000 rpm in 5th.


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Posted by: thelogo Jun 26 2020, 12:17 PM

91 mph on the 91 frwy for me

Any thing faster then that " otta have a damn stewardess on it .... Dont cha think"

Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Jun 26 2020, 01:17 PM

That's not entirely true. An under powered car may not be able to ever see redline in 5th gear due to wind resistance, no?

Posted by: thelogo Jun 26 2020, 01:49 PM

Impressive driving . great hand coordination at that speed . .... About how far ahead are you looking ?

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 26 2020, 01:51 PM

Did you miss the (potential) in my comment?

Posted by: thelogo Jun 26 2020, 02:06 PM

Intresting about the max rpm contributing to speed .
I always thought formula 1 cars rev ed to 12 k rpm
Because it sounds really cool .

But i could see how that is a big advantage if you wanna go really fast

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 26 2020, 02:14 PM

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Posted by: mmichalik Jun 26 2020, 02:33 PM

My Daughter and I got the '74 2.0 up to 100mph (according to the speedo) a few weeks ago, with room to go but, I backed off because I wasn't sure how much longer we had before the wheels would come off.
It was fun though, and felt very stable

Posted by: brant Jun 26 2020, 02:51 PM

agreed...
ultimately a top speed car would need different gearing (higher)
or different wheels/ring and pinion (all gearing)
to go faster than a stock 5th gear at redline.


not the fastest 914 ever.
but a funny story from 20 years ago
my mechanic has an ex- IMSA 914/6 with real history
the car has a plexi-glass windshield in it.

My friend asked for a ride, and was in the passenger seat
at one of our local tracks, the front straight is a 1/4 mile drag strip and then another 1/4 mile of track where the dragsters coast down from speed.

my friend is in the passenger seat and at 150mph the front windshield flexes or bows inward due to wind resistance. It is a loud "Pop" or bang when this happens..... then at the end of straight... you hit the brakes.. it flexes back to original position and "Pops" out again.

they came in and my friend needed new shorts
scarred the crap out of her.

brant

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 26 2020, 02:59 PM

That's Awesome ..

Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 26 2020, 03:50 PM

I hit 120 with my teen when I first got it, car was stock 1.8, down a huge hill with a tailwind, totally unsorted, on dry rot tires and scary as shit.
Today before I knew it I hit 110 on the freeway on ramp, total solid, could have gone faster, my 3.0 /6 had lots of go left in her, but I was like "Holy crap! Better slow down! I'm going to get a ticket!"

Posted by: rgalla9146 Jun 26 2020, 06:26 PM

the sign says 'top speed 170'...... that's cookin'

Posted by: brcacti Jun 26 2020, 06:54 PM

Regular freeway speeds only in Arizona. 75-80

Posted by: wndsrfr Jun 26 2020, 07:34 PM

Oh yeah, at Daytona on the banking you can only see less than 1/4 mile out the windshield, have to glance out the driver's side window to see what would cause you to have to lift off/brake before you're on top of it. The car goes neutral at about 125-130 on the banking--you're pressed right down into the seat with no side force--can take hands off the wheel & the car goes "straight" if you can call it that. It's when you come off of the banking that the car seeks the wall as the camber drops off. There you're looking ahead to the braking zone to enter the infield section of the road course. Basically I was just praying "Please Lord nothing break or no tire go down & I'll only do two more laps".....

Posted by: roblav1 Jun 26 2020, 08:44 PM

My fastest in a 914 (1972 1.7 in 1975) was 113 indicated. Seemed to go quite well.

More scary at the time was hitting 101 in a VW type 3 squareback. It was running a Triumph Stromberg carb at the time with no rev limiter.

Posted by: SKL1 Jun 26 2020, 09:49 PM

Saw about 112 or so when in a 914-6 being taken around the Daytona International Speedway in 1971 or 1972. They had several 914-6's as "pace cars". My sister lived there at the time and knew one of the PR guys at the track. The banking was VERY impressive!
Still have my 100mph club membership card somewhere

Posted by: cali914 Jun 26 2020, 11:37 PM

Talk with my cousin he said Bob had over 1000 hp in the turbo 911. He thinks his 914 was somewhere in the 150s at the end of T hill straight. He did say it all depends your exit speed onto the straight. He knows thunderhill very well as he ran 143.35 in his GT1 car.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Jun 26 2020, 11:42 PM

Quite a stretch from the 914...but I took part in a ride along in Mr. Chandler's ex-Penske Sunoco 917.30 / ex-Cam2 Talledega record car.
NO speedo in the car, but on the long straight at RIR the car was touching 215-220 mph . We did 8 insanely fast laps !
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=2058 ... the yellow 914 (upper L of pic) is the car of Harald von K. Originally sourced from Erwin Kremer #914 043 0653, one of the FIA 9146-GT cars. Dan McGloughlin / A.I.R. re-body'd it...he also did the Altec Lansing and the John Bond 914s.

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 27 2020, 12:21 AM

Gee, what a great idea !
A Can-Am powered 914, a smoothy, mit turbos.
Exhilarating acceleration, frightening top end, sheer power to weight.

Salty 914

More power, more tire, wide track, wide body, lower, low drag.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Jun 27 2020, 12:53 AM

Still checking statistics for the top speed of #40, but its average lap speed was 159.761 km/h .

Posted by: a9146luvr Jun 27 2020, 04:03 AM

i like "iamchappy"s front valence, is that brake ducting or something else? post #39

Posted by: wndsrfr Jun 27 2020, 06:10 AM

Agreed... really cool... also noted the ducktail spoiler end is bonded to the fender...unique...

Posted by: iamchappy Jun 27 2020, 07:56 AM

Brake ducting, yes, and rear spoilers air intake duct for the intercooler.

Posted by: 76-914 Jun 27 2020, 08:57 AM

Not trying to spoil the party but if your thinking of testing your upper limits I'm going to suggest you don't do this on a public road. Me and 99% of us don't have our cars set up for this or the skills to do it. Unless set up correctly, these cars get very touchy and light in the rear at 125 or more. Mine floated 6ft to the right after running over one of those little 1/2" lane reflectors @true 125mph. WTF was I thinking.

Posted by: VegasRacer Jun 27 2020, 09:30 AM

I tried to find out in my first 914, a '74 with the 1.8.
After a few miles flat footed, (and a slight downgrade), I was almost able to kiss 110.
With the top off and windows down, I could barely reach 100.


In Elvira, I am not interested in anything above 120 without a big wing and more down force.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 27 2020, 10:34 AM

Evidently the Salt Flats at night is Not a good idea..
https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/car-traveling-100-mph-crashes-on-bonneville-salt-flats-3-teens-severely-injured/?fbclid=IwAR0PMLB1SMWAl4tRs3ExxLASamK1lmTfeY4f3ERBw1FuiNA8KL6IppFdWmw



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Posted by: slivel Jun 27 2020, 10:47 AM

According to my gear chart, approximately 145 at 7000 rpm at Miller Motorsports (now called Utah Motorsports Campus) on the 3/4 mile long front straight. Was still accelerating but had to brake for turn 1. 914 gearbox using AFNSY gears and 275/45/16 Hoosiers on the rear. With more room and little higher gear the car was probably capable of 165 or so. As configured the car weighed 2050 lbs and had 290 hp to the wheels.

Posted by: MidshipMadness Jun 27 2020, 02:57 PM

Back around 2006-7, I was coming home from visiting Rick O. who owns the 918-S 928 powered 914 in Duluth, MN. I was getting on 35 south and noticed a new Corvette cruising along as I blended onto the freeway. We both instinctively let er rip and I downshifted to 2nd and punched it at 65mph. At close to 100mph I grabbed 3rd and zoomed to 140mph...then I grabbed 4th and kept my foot into it until I noticed how far ahead of the Corvette I was... probably 15 car lengths and I was indicating 180+ mph. I've gone over 175 mph so many times in that car I can't honestly remember the exact # of times. My memory in Duluth that day is the fastest I've gone in any car.....ever. It actually felt like it had more because I shut down before the revs leveled out. It may have been good for 185-190mph with tall 930 gearing & 530HP.

Posted by: Ansbacher Jun 27 2020, 06:41 PM

I've been watching this thread with some amazement. Most of us on this forum are 50+ years of age. Is top speed really that big of a deal anymore? Especially, when compared to the average econobox available today, our cars are turtles. What gives?

Ansbacher

Posted by: iamchappy Jun 27 2020, 08:35 PM

My car is no turtle... I lifted the front tires shifting from 2nd to 3rd once.

Posted by: dan10101 Jun 27 2020, 09:19 PM

That car looks vaigly familiar.
I had it at the dragstrip yesterday, couldn't come close to your numbers. But I'll get there... the video is on our Youtube channel in my signature. I don't think I want to drive it at 180...

Posted by: Matty900 Jun 27 2020, 10:04 PM

I was having a conversation about how the front end gets light if you get above 120 and would need some arrow. So I became curious and asked tge question. Tony's was the fastest that I was aware of so I thought I'd ask.
When Mark picked up the fiberglass molds from Sheridan Racing I was picking up even more out of Vegas that had been used in racing. Lots of cool shapes so where to start.... since I will probably want one of them on my current build with a 350 in it.

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 28 2020, 03:21 AM

This Ital Design Tapiro 914-6 from 1970, as a replica with the requisite 21st century turbo power, would be smoother, less drag. Aero mods to the bottom to reduce lift would allow the power to produce the groundspeed. Sad that the original leaked fuel and burnt, now on a post.

Posted by: silverg Jun 28 2020, 06:40 AM

I remember at Daytona 1970 the 914/6 GTs were said to go 152 in the day and 148 at night with the headlights up.

Posted by: MidshipMadness Jun 28 2020, 08:50 AM

For a car with such a short wheelbase, anything above 150-160mph starts to get exciting and requires a bit more concentration. Bad things can happen if a tire decides to delaminate... or a deer wanders out in front of you.

I never got out of 3rd gear at the drag strip because the car can do 140mph in 3rd gear assuming you have the redline set above 7200 RPM like I did.

Posted by: JKW Jun 28 2020, 12:58 PM

My 1970 2 liter 914/6 GT ran 147 mph consistently per the radar gun on the front straight at Daytona in 2015 when running in the Classic 24.

Hoosier TD tires 24" tall with a Y top gear. 1970 specs with no spoilers.

Posted by: Chris914n6 Jun 28 2020, 04:38 PM

If this is more about aero...

Stock body, SE spoiler, rad outlet thru the DPD A/C holes in the frunk, engine bay open with the V6. At 120 mph the rear started to float, and since I was off to the WCC in Reno I backed off.

I'm planning to seal off the engine lid to see if that helps, and at some point underbelly aero. Also a deeper front spoiler but not as deep as the Sheridan. I think AIR makes it.

Posted by: brcacti Jun 28 2020, 06:05 PM

I have always been impressed how well these tiny cars cruise on the freeways even up hill. At 75 mph they feel good, safe.

Posted by: Beeliner Jun 28 2020, 07:31 PM

#1, In my first 914, a '71, my friend Jim and I crossed the Arizona to New Mexico border on Route 60, a wide two lane road. How far can we go in one hour?
We took off and got tired of driving flat out after 45 minutes. So we backed off and still did 90 miles in one hour....

#2 in my fourth 914 was a few weeks ago. Elio had finished re-building my '73 2.0 into a 2.2. He said I had driven it enough to 'drive' it.

So I went north out of Bridgeport, cut left onto Route 25, a first class divided highway.
Going north, the radar trap cut out was empty. Made a U-turn at the light and drove past the trap. No cop.

Took off and hit 100 way before Davis Farm Road... Oh, was it light in the front end,,, Just like 48 years ago... I'm not doing it again. I promised my grand daughter she would inherit this one... But not now!!

Posted by: BillJ Jun 28 2020, 08:24 PM

I topped out at 150 or so.in my fathers 6 with an rsr motor back in our hsr days. Fun car. Imsa.air dam and wing on a black orig 6

Posted by: 76-914 Jun 28 2020, 08:50 PM

Well yeah. Your car only weighs 37 pounds.

Posted by: EdwardBlume Jun 28 2020, 09:53 PM

Thanks for the question.


The fastest I ever went with my Dad driving was 90. 74 2.0. all stock. 1979 or 1980. It was like magic. I had forgotten. Thanks again for the question.

I know its not the answer, but thanks anyway.

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 28 2020, 10:48 PM

Why mandatory driver training is a life preserving undertaking, to get the death threat into the incompetent heads of hormonal teen gonads.
Racing is for tracks, by trained racing drivers, safely protected by race equipment.
Stupid is as stupid does, the Darwin Award winners at sixteen, ' Natural Selection ', mother nature not so amused.
Cro-Magnon teen Ookie was told not to mess with the Mastodon, ended up toe jam.
They still laugh about the unfortunate, entertaining fate around the campfire.

Posted by: 90quattrocoupe Jun 28 2020, 10:59 PM

in 1981 with Stock 73 2.0l 52,XXX miles running Konis with stock sway bars 4 spoke Fuchs with whatever the stock size tire was.
California desert hwy 395 at night. Flat out was 122 indicated and not at reline. Didn't really float all that much

Same stretch of hwy in my brothers 455 Trans Am. Car start to float so bad at 110 I had to back off.

Greg W.

Posted by: 9146GUY Jun 29 2020, 03:11 PM

I have to do this in two posts as the photos are too large.

So back in the day I raced a 914-6 at Daytona. First time with pop up headlights. Second time with lights behind front spoiler. Put the H/L's up and lose 5-7 MPH on the banking. The car in this configuration was good for about 150-155 MPH with a 2.5 engine

Posted by: 9146GUY Jun 29 2020, 03:18 PM

Second picture is at Mid-Ohio Lumbermans. We added a spoiler not a wing because no air could pass under the wind. Look closely and you can see the lexan along the edge that didn't allow air under the wing. This set up was good for short tracks. Added lots of rear downforce. Turn 1 at MO was flat with spoiler. Without.... lift, count to 2, turn in and hold breath. If you were good you made it. The car would do about 140-145 going into 7 at MO. We might have slipped in a 2.7 for that race.

Posted by: brcacti Jun 29 2020, 06:35 PM

I bought mine for the fun factor both when young and now again when old, never considered it fast like my former 68 firebird 400

Posted by: crash914 Jun 29 2020, 07:20 PM

I have some pictures somewhere of the build. I think we were installing the engine..

Posted by: Cracker Jul 14 2020, 09:09 PM

Indeed, it is very much a street car with track bits - quite comfortable actually. Mark, I hope you are well...!

Tony

Posted by: worn Jul 14 2020, 10:13 PM

Thank you.
Warren

Posted by: worn Jul 14 2020, 10:30 PM

When it cametime to learn how to drive, my Dad asked me to move the Ford Falcon by hand. Then he suggested that I try to stop it from speed by getting in front of it. Quite an impression, but by then he had shown me coastal navigation. In our wooden boat was carved 11 Tons. So, I had a lot of respect for steering large loads at speeds I had to think carefully and quickly about how to control. Man, I love to drive, but safety fast.