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Posted by: zfisher6164 Jul 17 2020, 09:27 AM

Every 15 or so starts the starter makes the grinding sound like the engine is already running when it is not. Is it a gear missing or the starter not fully engaging? Any ideas?
thanks..

Posted by: brant Jul 17 2020, 09:39 AM

do you run a high torque starter?

many of the cheaper high torque starters damage the flywheel because the Bendix depth is incorrect. Can be fixed with a spacer behind the starter

however the damage to the starter ring gear is already done usually.

it sounds like your flywheel ring gear or starter Bendix drive gear are missing a tooth.

look in the window to the transmission bell housing.. you should be able to see a portion of the top edge of the flywheel. and rotate it around to inspect what you can see before pulling the drive train.

change the starter if it is causing the damage

or else it could potentially damage the new flywheel/ring gear also

Posted by: Jett Jul 17 2020, 09:43 AM

+1. ... nice looking car!

Posted by: zfisher6164 Jul 18 2020, 11:07 AM

Stock starter and I think I agree with you about a tooth missing, I will look through the timing hole, should have thought of that, thanks

Posted by: adolimpio Jul 20 2020, 04:59 PM

Mine does the same thing. Stock starter, no missing teeth, but it has not been bad enough for me to invest a lot of time.

However, it does seem to happen at times when embarrassment is maximized.

Posted by: Cupomeat Jul 20 2020, 05:55 PM

I've seen this, the solenoid is no good and hangs while bringing the gear to the flywheel, thus starting it spinning before engaging.

I'd swap out the starter unless you see something else not reported.

Good luck!

Posted by: IronHillRestorations Jul 21 2020, 05:29 AM

Pull the starter and bench test it to make sure the solenoid is working right. You'll also have a chance to inspect the flywheel

Posted by: Spoke Jul 21 2020, 06:15 AM

QUOTE(Cupomeat @ Jul 20 2020, 07:55 PM)

Posted by: aexe Jan 27 2021, 09:10 PM

I have this exact same issue! Every random number of starts, the starter grinds like the engine is already running, and then the next start or two is back to normal. My starter also was failing to disengage for 1-2 seconds after the motor had actually started, and both were trying to turn the flywheel resulting in quite the odd sound. I replaced the ignition switch, which didn't fix the problem and I decided that the starter should be replaced and in August 2020, I put in a new Bosch SR-17-X from Pelican.

However, even with the new starter the same issues continued! It wasn't a big deal, or so I thought. And then yesterday, I was driving across a bridge and suddenly the starter engaged while I was doing 55! Stayed on for 5-8 seconds and made a horrendous noise and then quit. I was startled and there was no shoulder and it was raining. I kept going to get to work. Once I was safely in the parking lot, I shut the car off and then tried to start it again. Now EVERY time you try, the starter grinds like when you try to start the car when the engine is already running. And it doesn't turn the flywheel or start the car. I am assuming that my quite new starter has no teeth left on it's gear.

I did push start her and make it home after work.

Love to hear any thoughts or suggestions...

Posted by: brant Jan 28 2021, 07:45 AM

Your flywheel ring gear is most likely toast now.

You will have to pull the trans to change the flywheel or at least ring gear

Don’t forget to set the crank shaft end play when you change out the flywheel

Posted by: aexe Jan 28 2021, 01:14 PM

That's the other scenario I guess. Either the bendix gear on the starter is chewed or the flywheel ring gear is.

What I really want to know, especially as I replace these things, is WHY the starter engaged while driving.

Posted by: aexe Feb 5 2021, 02:47 PM

Here's the starter gear... The flywheel looked ok from what I could see. I read somewhere, and the logic seemed sound to me, that you could put the car in 5th and turn the raised rear wheels and the flywheel would rotate. However, in my case, just the opposite wheel would turn. Does this opposite wheel need to be fixed in order for the flywheel to turn? Just now thinking about this.



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Posted by: wndsrfr Feb 5 2021, 05:01 PM

Yep, just jack up one side of the car, chock the rear wheel that's on the ground and then you can rotate the engine pushing on the raised wheel....

Posted by: adolimpio Mar 1 2021, 05:30 PM

I found the source of my issue. Like the thread says, the starter grinds every 15 or so starts. I finally had the opportunity to pull the tranny and found what you see below.

Is there any way to recover from this, or is this flywheel history. The teeth look perfect except for those in this area, about 2 inches long.

Posted by: jaredmcginness Mar 3 2021, 10:58 AM

My inclination is to start looking for a replacement flywheel.
I'm sure there are plenty floating around here and a quick WTB ad would get you set up.

My concern would be any repair lasting after repeated use.

Posted by: iankarr Mar 3 2021, 11:20 AM

Time for a new flywheel. Whee! At least you discovered the problem. You can get one for about 300 iirc. While you’re in there you might want to change the clutch. If using a hi torque starter, make sure you shim it so it mates with the flywheel correctly.

Posted by: wndsrfr Mar 3 2021, 01:26 PM

QUOTE(aexe @ Feb 5 2021, 12:47 PM)

Posted by: brant Mar 3 2021, 02:24 PM

QUOTE(wndsrfr @ Mar 3 2021, 12:26 PM)

QUOTE(aexe @ Feb 5 2021, 12:47 PM)

Here's the starter gear... The flywheel looked ok from what I could see. I read somewhere, and the logic seemed sound to me, that you could put the car in 5th and turn the raised rear wheels and the flywheel would rotate. However, in my case, just the opposite wheel would turn. Does this opposite wheel need to be fixed in order for the flywheel to turn? Just now thinking about this.

Something is wrong with this. There should not be any mark on the pinion gear nose. There is an alignment issue here in which the nose of the pinion gear is too close to the flywheel. Look carefully at the mounting surface...and get another Bosch starter. Paint the nose of the pinion gear, install & do several starts then inspect....