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Posted by: jaredmcginness Aug 6 2020, 08:24 PM

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo20/shift-monterey/lots/r0093-1972-porsche-916/951867

Can we pool some dough together? I’ll take her every other Tuesday.


When I saw it at Luft last year, the seats were worn and ripped up. I’m sure it was quite a hardship trying to find that fabric.*

A few pics added for the lazy:







*P.S. While digging I found ahttp://www.speedhunters.com/2019/03/the-million-dollar-porsche-that-could-have-changed-everything/ with some great photos showing the wear in the seats, they look the same in the RMS photos - So I suppose the fabric was not replaced.

Posted by: porschetub Aug 6 2020, 10:07 PM

I thought the only one done that way is the one AA have?,don't really know just saying,interesting how the door panels are,kinda more 911.

Posted by: bandjoey Aug 6 2020, 10:12 PM

Is the vin a verified 916?

Posted by: pete000 Aug 6 2020, 11:11 PM

Whats the estimate?

Posted by: mtndawg Aug 6 2020, 11:53 PM

Nice door panels!

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 7 2020, 12:31 AM

I test drove it in 1980 or so, when Otis brought her by and had a look at my converted 914-6 2.7 turbo. After he took a turn in mine he needed the Boost added to his yellow 916. It took me a week to convince him Not to alter that limited production 914...and the 2.4 mfi stayed.

Posted by: liebe Aug 7 2020, 02:25 AM

This car belongs to Dr Konrad, author of the RS buch. Saw this car personally, its beautiful.

Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 7 2020, 02:51 AM

After Otis it was in Japan for quite a while.. Would love to see resto pics,,,,Germany 914s are not rust free, even if stored away after first years after father land..

Posted by: jaredmcginness Aug 7 2020, 05:19 AM

As mentioned here's the two photos I took at Luftgekuhlt last year.

Posted by: DRPHIL914 Aug 7 2020, 07:33 AM

took a look at the RM pictures and it looks like it has a set of new leather seats in addition to the worn ones in the car.

how many 916's were made, was it 11 or 12?

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 7 2020, 08:29 AM

Nice car. Glad they are offering it with the leather seats- the cloth seats, though original, are ugly. Let's see if I sold the house......

Posted by: DRPHIL914 Aug 7 2020, 09:17 AM

any guess on the what the going price will be? i know its not Brutus, so has to be below that but $250k? $500k?

with only 11 every made its got to be up there. Which car was the Peter Gregg car?

Posted by: 73-914 Aug 7 2020, 09:52 AM

The Silver 1 in Atlanta

Posted by: pete000 Aug 7 2020, 10:16 AM

At Luft I was looking at the car and heard some guy talking to another guy and said this is the nicest clone conversion he had ever seen...lol I told him it was the real deal.

Posted by: SirAndy Aug 7 2020, 10:59 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8156

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=membervins&action=view&viewid=10632

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Aug 7 2020, 11:31 AM

This car is very much the real deal, and has had some exceptional caretakers along the way. Will be curious to see how it does, and hope the new owner will exercise it—as the 916 I drove was a lovely, balanced thing. The steel roof, 2.4S MFI, and 915/916 gearbox indicated what Porsche wanted to change a couple of years into the 914-6 program and after racing and rallying the platform in the world's best events. But alas…

There's no question Porsche made the right "business" decision in nixing the 916 and producing the RS 2.7…for so many reasons. This admitted even if I'll always be more of a 914 guy than a 911 guy.

Had no idea Otis wanted to twin-turbocharge it, but maybe that becomes a thing once you've owned a 917/30 alongside a 917K?

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Aug 7 2020, 01:10 PM

this is 011 grubers car, and has been meticulously restored, even went to the extreme of painting it white first (as they all were except for brutus. THAT is why it has the L80E tag in the door jamb. Notice that our 916 also has the L80E tag in the door jamb

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 7 2020, 01:13 PM

as if being a 916 isn't bad ass enough, that tan interior is awesome
Any shots of the integrated antenna?

Posted by: gms Aug 7 2020, 02:13 PM

That is correct 10 white cars with black interiors were ordered, these where 1971 914/6 chassis as they have 1971 production numbers.
They were prepared at Karosserie Baur the German chassis modifier as directed by Ferdinand Piëch.

Posted by: VegasRacer Aug 7 2020, 03:04 PM

My guess would be that it is a Hirschmann antenna.

Posted by: SKL1 Aug 7 2020, 05:38 PM

This would have been a great car to have at last fall's Rare Shades event... though we did have Brutus and several other special 914's...

Posted by: carr914 Aug 7 2020, 06:49 PM

11 & 1/2

I used to drive this 914-6 that was owned by a Porsche Employee and sent back through to 916 Specs. 35 Pages of Factory Documentation. Long Sad story, it still exists without any of it's important bits

Posted by: KELTY360 Aug 7 2020, 07:07 PM

So, your magnificent -6 has been done for 6 days and you already have wandering eyes? Seek help.

Posted by: rgalla9146 Aug 7 2020, 07:56 PM

George that's your silver car ? when was it painted last ?

Posted by: brcacti Aug 7 2020, 09:07 PM

Hello, forgive my ignorance what is the difference from a 916 and 914-6 ?

Posted by: Blue6 Aug 7 2020, 10:05 PM

About $800,000.00

Posted by: DRPHIL914 Aug 7 2020, 10:06 PM

only 11 916 made , about 3300 914-6 made, they had a 2.0L 6, fiberglass removable top, etc, chrome bumpers .
the 916 had either a 2.4L or 2.7L motor, welded in place hard steel top and fiberglass formed front and rear bumpers and factory steel flares, fancy interior. 10 of those and one that was owned by Porsche family that had a 2.9L factory race motor, these were prototypes and it never went to production was made around the end of 1972
i think, whereas the 914/6 were made between end of ‘69 for the 1970MY and ran up to about 1972 if my information is correct, actual production car, but stopped due to low sales and cost over runs due to weak dollar. cost was getting too close to a 911. btw the 916 wirh the 2.7 motor was the fastest car made by Porsche at the time. lighter than a 911, faster quicker better handling, but would have cost close to $15,000 retail if they had gone into full production.
a quick google search will bring up some exact numbers dates and history but that’s what i’ve gleaned from reading here and a few other places.

Phil

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 8 2020, 06:57 AM

The 916 is supposed to have the classic 1970's "integrated into the windshield antenna", which of all the 916 parts is the most impossible to find. Easier to fab up a steel roof & weld in than find a windshield with an integrated antenna

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Aug 8 2020, 08:18 AM

well it made the national news!

https://apple.news/ArlPtAyG5RBO9iAbRsW38jQ

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Aug 8 2020, 08:19 AM

yes that is the 916. last painted about ten years ago now. The door jamb was not painted, as you can see Porsche slopped the paint around the L80E Karmann light ivory paint plate when they color changed it to silver

Posted by: VegasRacer Aug 8 2020, 09:03 AM

Integrated in the drivers side front fender.

Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 8 2020, 09:29 AM

018 thanks ,,Armando..I saw it in 1998 for sale less than 200k..Beautiful..


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Posted by: horizontally-opposed Aug 8 2020, 09:43 AM

It would have, but we requested Brutus from Canepa because the yellow car had just been seen at Luft. Nice to change things up. Ironically, it turns out that was the last time Brutus was seen in a color that was black. It'll return in a "rare shade."



^ This is a cool car. Would love to see more pics/learn more.

And maybe it means the tally is 11.5 or even 12.0? There was a white "916" built by a Porsche employee at the factory (or near it) using factory resources (parts? tools?) detailed in a book. Clearly not a 916. Sort of. Pasha interior, iirc.

Seeing the pics of that in-glass antenna brings memories of driving that car back…it was the strangest thing, driving a car that was worth more than a brand-new Bentley that rolled by on 101 but looked for all the world like a 914 with a body kit. I dug that about it, and the full-leather interior, but what I loved most was the delicious balance of the 2.4 MFI with that chassis. It was really nice...

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 8 2020, 11:23 AM

that's it! antenna integrated into the windshield a la 1970's

Posted by: burton73 Aug 8 2020, 12:40 PM

Johny,

Look very carefully at the windshield. I can see a red color line or wire in the windshield. This may be the antenna on the 916

Bob B

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 8 2020, 02:20 PM

I believe your right Bob. I've never seen that windshield on another teener other than the 916, yet a couple of 916s have a regular antenna. The lack of consistency doesn't bother me since they're all prototypes.

Posted by: 9146GUY Aug 10 2020, 11:30 AM

Hey Pete...Would you like more pictures of this one ?

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Aug 10 2020, 11:51 AM

Would love to see more.

Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 10 2020, 12:03 PM

That's a beauty.

Posted by: 9146GUY Aug 10 2020, 12:06 PM

PM Sent

Posted by: rgalla9146 Aug 10 2020, 07:08 PM

Is that the car purchased by Alfa Romeo ?
now owned by a comedian ?
Yes, more pics please.

Posted by: Michael N Aug 10 2020, 08:01 PM

Absolutely beautiful!!!!!

Is this one powered by a 2.4 or 2.7?

Posted by: 9146GUY Aug 11 2020, 06:59 AM

2.4 MFI

Posted by: twash Aug 14 2020, 08:19 AM

going on auction very rare 916 with 2.7 ltr s engine. converted from gt to 916 for porsche family menber

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Aug 14 2020, 11:21 AM

There's another thread on this, but for those interested in the auction:

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo20/shift-monterey/lots/r0093-1972-porsche-916/951867

Posted by: GeorgeRud Aug 14 2020, 03:31 PM

$870,000 (+ 10% buyer’s premium?). Nice result though less than the estimate. Somebody got a nice museum piece.

Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Aug 14 2020, 03:52 PM

Very disappointing to me, but they were certainly taking a chance on an online auction. The guy on this car hardly broke even selling it that cheap

Posted by: rhodyguy Aug 14 2020, 04:15 PM

Too bad...the dif between what was thought it would fetch and reality prob does'nt mean much to the seller. Or the market correction as set in. I did not care for the interior one bit. Bland. Too brown.

Posted by: Sprout Aug 15 2020, 10:57 AM

Beautiful car!

https://www.hagerty.com/media/auctions/this-rare-corduroy-trimmed-916-prototype-is-peak-70s-porsche/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20_August_15_Newsletter_Weekend

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo20/shift-monterey/lots/r0093-1972-porsche-916/951867

Looks like it sold for $870k

Posted by: Tonyooc Aug 15 2020, 12:23 PM

I'll take one....

Posted by: SirAndy Aug 15 2020, 01:41 PM

Posted by: Matty900 Aug 16 2020, 12:10 PM

They stole it.


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