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Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 02:47 AM
I found this car on Craigslist listed as a non-runner with salvage title. After fixing a couple fuel leaks and replacing points, cap and rotor it runs pretty good and according to the DMV they know nothing of it having a salvage title. It's one of those darn rust-free california cars.
And I'm going to chop it to bits. It could be repaired if someone was emotionally attached to it; but I'm not that someone and fixing it would take too much time away from my other projects. One person's loss is everybody else's gain, though. Expect to see pieces of this car in the classifieds very very soon. 
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 12 2005, 03:45 AM
Don't do it man!! 
That's waaaay to nice to go under the 
blade
[But dibs on the suspension consoles/ears if you can't be convinced otherwise 
]
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 12 2005, 06:03 AM
the guage pretty pretty pretty please?????
Posted by: dakotaewing Jul 12 2005, 06:14 AM
Dibs on the rear trunk floor....
Yes, I mean it.... 
Thom
Posted by: pastordavid Jul 12 2005, 06:30 AM
Darn, it's got the same problem mine has - right front...
David
bd1308 - don't happen to be able to help me out, maybe, i hope, please, right front fender and front cross piece?
Posted by: grasshopper Jul 12 2005, 06:34 AM
DONT DO IT!! thats a beautiful car!!(but if you do,i call front trunk floor!)
Posted by: grasshopper Jul 12 2005, 06:35 AM
oh! and the fog light switch!
Posted by: mikerose Jul 12 2005, 06:48 AM
O my eyes look at all the rust. John Please just cut it up 
Mike 
Posted by: Gary Jul 12 2005, 06:55 AM
Not sure I get parting it either - terminal rust issues?
If you do and the windshield and targa trim pieces are in good shape, I'm interested.
Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 12 2005, 07:01 AM
L96D paint code? if so, i need the front hood. need to figure transport. how is the windshield?
k
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 12 2005, 07:07 AM
that car doesn't look bad enough to go under the blade.
I need some sheet metal off the firewall (passenger bottom corner if possible) and I'll take the other 2 light switches(haz and headlights)
does it have polished fuchs? I may not be able to get them(bidding on a house), but when you decide on a price, I'd like first shot...
Posted by: Bleyseng Jul 12 2005, 07:50 AM
Bruce albert needs a running 2.0L BAD!
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 08:37 AM
YES, these are the responses I wanted to hear. Circle around you vulchers, circle around 
Attention people who want sheet metal: Please get me a picture of what you need, preferrably with arrows and outlines like this...
I want to make sure you get what you need and don't pay shipping on what you don't.
Jon
Posted by: bondo Jul 12 2005, 08:42 AM
If it's not going to set me back a mint, I'd like that steering wheel. It's leather right? I was going to put an aftermarket leather cover on mine, but this would save me the trouble. 
Does it by any chance have a rear sway bar? I need the drop links.
Posted by: bondo Jul 12 2005, 08:48 AM
Is it really a 73? (74 rear bumper) If so, it'd be nice to have a good version of the "right" wiring harness for my car. If it would save me money I may be able to come up and help pull it.
Posted by: boxstr Jul 12 2005, 08:52 AM
Jon How about I send you a right front quarter and you have it fixed. I know the car, it was that much $$.
CCLINFIXEMDONTCUTEM
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 12 2005, 08:57 AM
| QUOTE (boxstr @ Jul 12 2005, 09:52 AM) |
| Jon How about I send you a right front quarter and you have it fixed. I know the car, it was that much $$. CCLINFIXEMDONTCUTEM |
what he said... plus tax!
save the car! it may not be #4, but it deserves better than that...
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 12 2005, 09:03 AM
aside from thje questionable title - fix it - front sections are available all over the place. It looks like a beautiful car. How much for the whole thing as is? Then sell it as a whole car.
Posted by: Bruce Allert Jul 12 2005, 09:10 AM
Hey Jon, what's that engine worth to ya? Like Geoff said, I need one bad... gots knockin probs!
......b
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 12 2005, 09:21 AM
What do you want for the whole car as is?
(serious offer)
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 09:31 AM
| QUOTE |
| L96D paint code? if so, i need the front hood. need to figure transport. how is the windshield? |
Yes this was originally a L96D color car. Apparently the original owner had it repainted a '76 911 color which is the sea-foam green you see in the pictures.
The windshield has some fish-eyes. I'd need to clean it to see if it's pitted or scratched.
| QUOTE |
| does it have polished fuchs? I may not be able to get them(bidding on a house) |
Not polished, just the stock finish. But I've been thinking of trying out polishing
Good luck on the house (and no, I'm not just brown-nosing a potential parts buyer
)| QUOTE |
| If it's not going to set me back a mint, I'd like that steering wheel. It's leather right? |
Since we don't have a Dr. Evil smiley I guess it won't cost you ONE MILLION DOLLARS! How does $60 sound?
| QUOTE |
| Does it by any chance have a rear sway bar? I need the drop links. |
It had a rear sway bar but it's not on the car, sorry.
| QUOTE |
| Is it really a 73? (74 rear bumper) |
It's a late '73 so it has a few things seen on '74 cars (like doors with side impact beams
)| QUOTE |
| If so, it'd be nice to have a good version of the "right" wiring harness for my car. If it would save me money I may be able to come up and help pull it. |
We'll have to see how good the wiring harness is. The original owner was definitely in there but so far everything he did looks good (oil press and temp gauge, fuel gauge in the center console).
I don't figure any kind of labor charge into parts prices. I know my time isn't worth anything
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 09:38 AM
| QUOTE |
| Jon How about I send you a right front quarter and you have it fixed. I know the car, it was that much $$. |
The PO actually got a replacement front fender which he gave to me, it's in a box. However, the damage got into the inner fender so Craig is right, it needs a front quarter. I don't think it compromised the front suspension at all. Still definitely savable.
| QUOTE |
| What do you want for the whole car as is? |
I'd probably sell the car as-is for $3k but somebody would have to move quick as I need to dispose of it in about a week's time.
Posted by: mudfoot76 Jul 12 2005, 09:41 AM
Does it have SSI heat exchangers? IF so, I am interested (if you are still parting out the car...) that combo gauge in the dash is mighty nice too
IF you are still parting it out (save it if you can!!)
Posted by: Jenny Jul 12 2005, 09:46 AM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 12 2005, 08:38 AM) |
| I'd probably sell the car as-is for $3k but somebody would have to move quick as I need to dispose of it in about a week's time. |
Do you anticipate being able to part the car in a week's time? Don't you have a day job? Keep in mind most people will need the items shipped to them. Better just let me have at the car and be done with it.
Seriously, I need cosmetic stuff. Carpet (if it's still salvagable), 914 2.0 badge, tail lights, the black and red fresh air blower knobbies, antenna and other various small knick knacks I can't recall at this time.
Oh, and do you have the front bumper? Chrome?
Jen
*Okay, so the list is getting longer as I go back and pick over the picture. Sorry. Maybe not all cosmetic, and definitely not all small items.
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 10:02 AM
| QUOTE |
| Does it have SSI heat exchangers? IF so, I am interested (if you are still parting out the car...) that combo gauge in the dash is mighty nice too |
Not SSI's, factory heat exchangers and whoever takes the engine has first dibs on anything attached to it.
There's a whole deal going on with the gauges that I'll explain later.
| QUOTE |
| Do you anticipate being able to part the car in a week's time? Don't you have a day job? Keep in mind most people will need the items shipped to them. Better just let me have at the car and be done with it. |
Part of this is to help finance a 10 year anniversary band for my wife. I'll forward your proposition to her if I can watch the ensuing cat fight
Hopefully I can have it mostly parted out in a week. Yes I do have a day job, which I'm currently late for. I'll be off-line for a few hours until I get into work.
Thanks carrion peeps
Posted by: AndyC Jul 12 2005, 10:19 AM
As always I am after this piece including the bottom 3 inches of the windshield frame if it is not full of rust, I don't mind if it is cut up into sections for ease of shipping. Let me know a price
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Posted by: Headrage Jul 12 2005, 10:27 AM
I recommend really trying to sell the whole car so someone can fix it but, DIBS on the rear bumper.
Posted by: itsa914 Jul 12 2005, 10:31 AM
I agree don't part it, But.............................. If you do I would like to know how much for the chrome trim on sail panels and and across the top of the tagra bar if they are very good condition.
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Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 12 2005, 10:34 AM
| QUOTE (itsa914 @ Jul 12 2005, 11:31 AM) |
| I agree don't part it, But.............................. If you do I would like to know how much for the chrome trim on sail panels and and across the top of the tagra bar if they are very good condition. |
DAMN! I knew I was forgetting something that someone was going to snatch right up!
I still vote for sell it as a whole... put another rust-free car in another part of the US! (or canada)
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 11:33 AM
Of course I'll take offers for the car seriously, if I get any serious offers. Unfortunately it almost never works that way. That's why wanting isn't the same as doing. The serious offers are for the parts, those almost always come through.
Just to sweeten the pot I'll even deliver it within a 4 hour radius of San Jose, CA this weekend for the price I mentioned.
Jon
Posted by: Gary Jul 12 2005, 12:07 PM
| QUOTE (itsa914 @ Jul 12 2005, 09:31 AM) |
| I agree don't part it, But.............................. If you do I would like to know how much for the chrome trim on sail panels and and across the top of the tagra bar if they are very good condition. |
I think I have dibs... if he parts it.
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 12:11 PM
| QUOTE (Gary @ Jul 12 2005, 11:07 AM) | ||
I think I have dibs... if he parts it. |
You are correct, sir!
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 12 2005, 12:12 PM
| QUOTE (pastordavid @ Jul 12 2005, 06:30 AM) |
| Darn, it's got the same problem mine has - right front... David bd1308 - don't happen to be able to help me out, maybe, i hope, please, right front fender and front cross piece? |
pm me a pic....
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 12 2005, 12:13 PM
dibs on teh battery tray and hell hole replacement....and down.
Posted by: itsa914 Jul 12 2005, 12:50 PM
| QUOTE (Gary @ Jul 12 2005, 10:07 AM) | ||
I think I have dibs... if he parts it. |
well in case you pass on them, just getting my name on the list.
Posted by: bondo Jul 12 2005, 01:09 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 12 2005, 08:31 AM) | ||
Since we don't have a Dr. Evil smiley I guess it won't cost you ONE MILLION DOLLARS! How does $60 sound? |
I think I can swing that.. I'll send jeff to pick stuff up once it's figured out what all the stuff is. I remebered I also need the defroster vents and the floor/side air diverting valves. I'd like to get the wiring harness in one piece, which isn't easy, which is one reason I was offering to come up and help.. but I definitely can't do it within a week.
Posted by: tdgray Jul 12 2005, 01:25 PM
Aw come on guys.... there has to SOMEONE that wants this thing.
Shit, my car is twice that bad and I saved it. 
Man are you guys freakin spoiled
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 12 2005, 01:28 PM
| QUOTE (tdgray @ Jul 12 2005, 02:25 PM) |
| Aw come on guys.... there has to SOMEONE that wants this thing. Shit, my car is twice that bad and I saved it. Man are you guys freakin spoiled |
east coasters need to step up! you are always complaining that there isn't any rust free cars... here's your chance to save one... 3k for the car, 2k for shipping, for 5k you'd have a better starter car than a lot of projects, including mine, when it started out!
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 01:32 PM
bondo, I can get the harness out in one piece, I've done it before. Never put one in tho
We'll work out something agreeable for everything you need, just don't have Jeff beat me up again, that guy is ruthless
tdgray, this car is nicer than mine too! But I'm too far into my project to start over. 
Jon
Posted by: bondo Jul 12 2005, 01:40 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 12 2005, 12:32 PM) |
| bondo, I can get the harness out in one piece, I've done it before. Never put one in tho We'll work out something agreeable for everything you need, just don't have Jeff beat me up again, that guy is ruthless tdgray, this car is nicer than mine too! But I'm too far into my project to start over. Jon |
Cool. I'll try and think of more of the little things I need.
I like to think of parting a car as saving many, not not saving one.
Posted by: redshift Jul 12 2005, 01:47 PM
| QUOTE (bondo @ Jul 12 2005, 03:40 PM) |
| I like to think of parting a car as saving many, not not saving one. |
Carmunist.
M
Posted by: anthony Jul 12 2005, 01:52 PM
Hey Jon, if it does get cut up I'm interested in the center console if there are no splits in the seams or cigarette burn marks and the complete targa top.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 12 2005, 01:52 PM
| QUOTE (redshift @ Jul 12 2005, 02:47 PM) | ||
Carmunist. M |
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 02:03 PM
| QUOTE (anthony @ Jul 12 2005, 12:52 PM) |
| Hey Jon, if it does get cut up I'm interested in the center console if there are no splits in the seams or cigarette burn marks and the complete targa top. |
Somebody else expressed interest in the console so I'll let you know.
We can talk about the targa top, I actually wanted the seals and latches off it.
Jon
Posted by: redshift Jul 12 2005, 02:06 PM
I need the little rubber cap off of the injection brain knob, 'cause my fan did something with the one I used to have.
M
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 02:09 PM
Sorry, it goes with the engine. See Seanery for caps
Posted by: Korijo Jul 12 2005, 02:38 PM
front turn lenses available? cost?
Posted by: McMark Jul 12 2005, 02:40 PM
I have targa tops in the classifieds. 
COME ON EAST COASTERS! You all complain about us cutting up cars. I've been bitched at about throwing stuff away. Somebody dump your sorry ass rusty project car and pick this one up. Sheesh.
Posted by: PatW Jul 12 2005, 02:56 PM
Don't cut the car up.. . I'd like to see it.
Pat
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 03:14 PM
Sure thing, Pat. I'll send you a PM.
Posted by: ! Jul 12 2005, 03:18 PM
| QUOTE (McMark @ Jul 12 2005, 12:40 PM) |
| I have targa tops in the classifieds. COME ON EAST COASTERS! You all complain about us cutting up cars. I've been bitched at about throwing stuff away. Somebody dump your sorry ass rusty project car and pick this one up. Sheesh. |
Yep....step up or forever STFU.....
Posted by: Mueller Jul 12 2005, 03:19 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 12 2005, 02:14 PM) |
| Sure thing, Pat. I'll send you a PM. |
if you sell the car to Pat I get a commision since I pointed him your way
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 03:20 PM
If he buys it you just lost your commission because you were going to get the near-perfect US tail lights
easy come, easy go
Posted by: Mueller Jul 12 2005, 03:29 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 12 2005, 02:20 PM) |
| If he buys it you just lost your commission because you were going to get the near-perfect US tail lights easy come, easy go |
oh damn, I forgot about those..forget it Pat, don't buy a thing from Jon, I wouldn't trust him to walk my dog, I'd buy from
before I gave up my hard earned money to this Jon fellow...who can trust a suby-powered-bontempi-flared 914 owner?????
Posted by: GTeener Jul 12 2005, 03:32 PM
Hey! I recognize that garage!
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 12 2005, 03:40 PM
Well, if Pat balks at the purchase (please, please, please... 
), and you do chop her up. The parts needed are essentially the pivot points of the rear suspension (console [inner], and ear [outer])....#318 in the pic, and the corresponding outer piece (both sides.....please, please, please.... )
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Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 03:47 PM
Roger that, even though I don't look forward to cutting those out.
Posted by: Mueller Jul 12 2005, 04:05 PM
Jon has not learned his lesson yet...you couldn't pay me to cut up another 914...too much damn work.....
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 04:09 PM
Uh oh, the last 914 I cut up was with you at the Palo Alto shop 
Remember, we couldn't decide which we liked better, the plasma cutter or the sawzall.
Posted by: redshift Jul 12 2005, 04:14 PM
| QUOTE (Manfred Z @ Jul 12 2005, 05:18 PM) | ||
Yep....step up or forever STFU..... |
Hey,
F-ALL-Y'ALL!Hier gehen wir mit der Ostküste/Westküste scheiße....
M
Posted by: ! Jul 12 2005, 04:16 PM
BITE ME...we speak American here....
Posted by: redshift Jul 12 2005, 04:21 PM
Whatever you say, you westcoast... uhh... what derogatory would we choose, in our coast war?
M
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 12 2005, 04:31 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 12 2005, 02:09 PM) |
| Uh oh, the last 914 I cut up was with you at the Palo Alto shop Remember, we couldn't decide which we liked better, the plasma cutter or the sawzall. |
Jon, you can just whack the consoles at the red line, longs and all, and ship them in two big chunks. I'd be more than glad to sort it out in my garage.....the '74 ain't goin' no where 'til they're replaced.
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Posted by: ! Jul 12 2005, 04:35 PM
The American sub dialect of "Gibberish" seems to be a common demoninator here....
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 12 2005, 04:38 PM
| QUOTE (Manfred Z @ Jul 12 2005, 02:35 PM) |
| The American sub dialect of "Gibberish" seems to be a common demoninator here.... |
Wow! what a coincidence! I'm half Gibberian....on my second cousin's [twice removed] side.
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 12 2005, 04:41 PM
....And quit changin' the subject "Z", I'm needin' them thar parts!
Chop it Jon! Chop it! 
Posted by: ! Jul 12 2005, 04:45 PM
| QUOTE (Special_K @ Jul 12 2005, 02:41 PM) |
| ....And quit changin' the subject "Z", I'm needin' them thar parts! Chop it Jon! Chop it! |
Ain't my car....do what ya want. Just tired of the raggers bitching about the sawzalls parties.....
Posted by: hargray2 Jul 12 2005, 04:55 PM
YOU ARE PSYCHO!!!
On the east coast, 914's that look that good are considered "restored"
YOU ARE PSYCHO!!!
Posted by: hargray2 Jul 12 2005, 04:58 PM
| QUOTE (McMark @ Jul 12 2005, 12:40 PM) |
| COME ON EAST COASTERS! You all complain about us cutting up cars. I've been bitched at about throwing stuff away. Somebody dump your sorry ass rusty project car and pick this one up. Sheesh. |
You ship the car, I'll give him $3K.
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 05:01 PM
Here are the current standings:
"I'll buy it" = 0 votes
"Chop it up, I need part X" = whole lotta votes
"Don't do it, think of the children" = a few votes
I'll entertain serious offers for the whole car until tomorrow, 6PM PST before I start serious dismantling. Think of me as the mafia boss in The Simpson's. "I do not want to do this but you are leaving me no choice. I am a legitamate businessman."
Oh, and whoever estimated $2k to ship to the east coast, that sounds way high. I'm thinking $1k at most. This car runs so it shouldn't need special attention from the shippers.
Jon
Posted by: Verruckt Jul 12 2005, 05:07 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 12 2005, 05:01 PM) |
| Oh, and whoever estimated $2k to ship to the east coast, that sounds way high. I'm thinking $1k at most. This car runs so it shouldn't need special attention from the shippers. Jon |
I priced a shipment from WAAAAY north Cali, to Kansas City. was about $700. So a grand seems about right to the east coast.
I'd hate to see such a decent car cut up, but....
JIC, can you shoot me a price for the drivers front corner? Basically the area from front to behind the bucket, and from the fender to the far inside of the bucket. Seems special K beat me to the console.
Oh, and any scraps of the front trunk weatherseal channel that you chop off.
Posted by: Jenny Jul 12 2005, 05:24 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 12 2005, 04:01 PM) |
| "I do not want to do this but you are leaving me no choice. I am a legitamate businessman." |
Fat Tony
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Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 05:28 PM
Thank you kind lady. I think I have now found a new avatar until these proceedings are concluded.
Posted by: Jenny Jul 12 2005, 05:31 PM
Think nothing of it!
Jen
Posted by: McMark Jul 12 2005, 05:32 PM
| QUOTE (hargray2 @ Jul 12 2005, 02:58 PM) | ||
You ship the car, I'll give him $3K. |
So you're saying you can find cars that nice on the east coast for $4k?
Posted by: redshift Jul 12 2005, 06:07 PM
It cost me $1500 coast-coast, back when gas was cheap.
M
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 12 2005, 06:08 PM
holy crap...somebody decide on this car....
I called the 904 Guage and the Battery Tray metal (from firewall to rear trunk....)
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 12 2005, 06:09 PM
Hey, leave Jon alone....he has a busy day tomorrow!
I'll buy the blades!
[and sorry "Z", I forgot to add the " ", when I was hammering (more like 'lightly tapping') you about the thread 
.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 12 2005, 06:10 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 12 2005, 07:08 PM) |
| holy crap...somebody decide on this car.... I called the 904 Guage and the Battery Tray metal (from firewall to rear trunk....) |
that's NOT a 904 gauge... just a 911 press/temp gauge 
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 12 2005, 06:12 PM
oh....wait a F-N second...is it CHT or just oil temp?
sorry bout that, i've never really seen a 911, rode in one though. blindfolded and arms tied behind my back....long story
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 06:13 PM
| QUOTE (redshift @ Jul 12 2005, 05:07 PM) |
| It cost me $1500 coast-coast, back when gas was cheap. M |
Yeah but we all know you got ripped off
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 12 2005, 06:15 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 12 2005, 07:12 PM) |
| oh....wait a F-N second...is it CHT or just oil temp? sorry bout that, i've never really seen a 911, rode in one though. blindfolded and arms tied behind my back....long story |
oil temp...
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 12 2005, 06:19 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 12 2005, 05:12 PM) |
| oh....wait a F-N second...is it CHT or just oil temp? |
It's oil temp and oil pressure, it's a 911 gauge.
If the buyer for the engine doesn't want the gauge or the senders that drive it, you have the first shot at it.
Posted by: Britain Smith Jul 12 2005, 06:40 PM
How much for the engine?
-Britain
Posted by: hargray2 Jul 13 2005, 12:29 PM
| QUOTE (McMark @ Jul 12 2005, 03:32 PM) |
| [/QUOTE] So you're saying you can find cars that nice on the east coast for $4k? |
Well, he already said 3K.
Posted by: Mueller Jul 13 2005, 12:33 PM
only 6.5 hours to go before Jon starts taking the car apart
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 13 2005, 12:44 PM
I can't believe no one has stepped up that needs a rust-free car...
if I had the room and $$$ I'd buy it...
damn shame if this car gets
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 13 2005, 01:19 PM
Right, I believe heir burgermeister was saying $3k for the car and $1k for shipping to the rust coast.
tick tock
tick tock
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 02:06 PM
You are a 
Instead of being such a self centered asshole and cutting up a car that people here would kill for, why don't you be a man and donate the car to someone who wants a 914 badly, and would fix the car?
We have people here on the club that want a 914 badly. It won't harm you in the least to leave that car intact and on the road.
Instead you are acting like a 15 year old female cock-tease. Flaunting around what you know most of the folks here either can't afford to buy, or can't get to the car to rescue it from you.
If it were here, I would rescue it. Instead it goes to the sawzall just because you want to cut up a car.
I used to respect you.... note the use of the words "used to".
Remember, they don't make them anymore.
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 13 2005, 02:16 PM
Lets raffle this thing off.
$50 a ticket - 60 tickets?
Jim
iSMelLmeTAlburNIngAlrEAdY
Posted by: scott thacher Jul 13 2005, 02:41 PM
jon sell the car for what you paid and a finders fee ( 500 ) so you get some thing out of it. it is too nice to cut, guys here fix cars like that for a week end project ( many week ends )
this is right along the lines of the people who threaten to kill a cat/dog what ever unless people send them money
also this is along the lines of # 4 in my mind, taking something that is nice and fucking it up. that car or #4 will never be replacable and you just want to destroy it
if you cut it up i agree with clay 10000% .... i already agree with him on the respect issue
Posted by: bondo Jul 13 2005, 02:55 PM
Holy crap! If I ever need to part a car, I'm sure the hell not going to post pictures first. This is California, get over it. I have seen 914s with perfect bodies at pick-n-pull soely because they weren't pre-smog. When I was at partsheaven, I saw 914s in better shape stacked on top of each other. There are times when the parts are worth more than the car as a whole. It's his car.. he can do what he wants. He's only trying to help us out with parts by posting here. Give him a break! No matter what you think, you are not the 914 morality police. You have a say about what happens to your own car, nobody else does. Same goes for Jon. Rant over.
Posted by: GTeener Jul 13 2005, 02:55 PM
Sacrifice one to save many 
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Clay- make Jon an offer for the whole car and rescue it. Why does it have to be near you?
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 02:59 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 12:06 PM) |
| You are a Instead of being such a self centered asshole and cutting up a car that people here would kill for, why don't you be a man and donate the car to someone who wants a 914 badly, and would fix the car? We have people here on the club that want a 914 badly. It won't harm you in the least to leave that car intact and on the road. Instead you are acting like a 15 year old female cock-tease. Flaunting around what you know most of the folks here either can't afford to buy, or can't get to the car to rescue it from you. If it were here, I would rescue it. Instead it goes to the sawzall just because you want to cut up a car. I used to respect you.... note the use of the words "used to". Remember, they don't make them anymore. <Rant off> |
DAAAAAMNN Clay!
Pretty harsh, don't ya think?Think of it as an "organ donor program". The metal and mechanical parts of this one car can get mine, and numerous other "cancer victims" happily toolin' down the road again. He obviously doesn't want it, and I for one am glad that he's willing to take the time and effort to part it out, rather than send it to the junkyard/crusher.
Oh, I forgot....you and Scott already have solid running cars.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 03:02 PM
He has set an arbitrary time limit, and I can't get to California to get the car. Plus he WANTS to cut it up. That is evidenced by the price he set.
Yes, I can see cutting up the real rust buckets and using the parts to fix others. But this is NOT a rust bucket. My car was worse than that one when I started fixing it. That car deserves to be fixed, not cut up.
It's hard for anyone from the land of plentiful 914s to understand.
Posted by: hargray2 Jul 13 2005, 03:04 PM
What does heir burgermeister mean?
Posted by: hargray2 Jul 13 2005, 03:06 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:02 PM) |
| He has set an arbitrary time limit, and I can't get to California to get the car. Plus he WANTS to cut it up. That is evidenced by the price he set. Yes, I can see cutting up the real rust buckets and using the parts to fix others. But this is NOT a rust bucket. My car was worse than that one when I started fixing it. That car deserves to be fixed, not cut up. It's hard for anyone from the land of plentiful 914s to understand. |
Posted by: scott thacher Jul 13 2005, 03:07 PM
| QUOTE (bondo @ Jul 13 2005, 12:55 PM) |
| It's his car.. he can do what he wants. He's only trying to help us out with parts by posting here. |
your right it is his car, and you are wrong he is not trying to help us with parts he is trying to make money... he said that and there is nothing wrong with making money. but the car can be saved easily
as for the cars in the junk yards if they were whole running cars then that was wrong too, but the junk yards dont see these cars like we do.
and bondo if you car ever gets any damage and i mean fixable damage i will volunteer to fly cross country to cut yours up for ya
Posted by: bondo Jul 13 2005, 03:07 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 02:02 PM) |
| He has set an arbitrary time limit, and I can't get to California to get the car. Plus he WANTS to cut it up. That is evidenced by the price he set. Yes, I can see cutting up the real rust buckets and using the parts to fix others. But this is NOT a rust bucket. My car was worse than that one when I started fixing it. That car deserves to be fixed, not cut up. It's hard for anyone from the land of plentiful 914s to understand. |
So where do people get parts to fix rustbuckets?
Posted by: GTeener Jul 13 2005, 03:08 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:02 PM) |
| He has set an arbitrary time limit, and I can't get to California to get the car. Plus he WANTS to cut it up. That is evidenced by the price he set. |
As I understand it, the time limit isn't really arbitrary. It's wife-itary
and storage-itary
Posted by: GTeener Jul 13 2005, 03:09 PM
| QUOTE (hargray2 @ Jul 13 2005, 01:04 PM) |
| What does heir burgermeister mean? |
Reference to a McMarK comment
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 03:11 PM
| QUOTE (Special_K @ Jul 13 2005, 02:59 PM) |
| DAAAAAMNN Clay! Pretty harsh, don't ya think? Think of it as an "organ donor program". The metal and mechanical parts of this one car can get mine, and numerous other "cancer victims" happily toolin' down the road again. He obviously doesn't want it, and I for one am glad that he's willing to take the time and effort to part it out, rather than send it to the junkyard/crusher. Oh, I forgot....you and Scott already have solid running cars. |
It's only an "organ donor" program if you get the donated organs from people who couldn't live otherwise.
In this case, the car is better than the one I fixed. If he cuts it up, he's a butcher.
There are plenty of rust buckets out there that can be "Organ Donors" to get your car running.
BTW... "I" do not have a running 914. I have one that is close. The other one belongs to my wife. It cost me 12K in paint and body work to fix my 914.
I have practiced what I preach. I am not afraid to put money into a car to keep it on the road, even if I lose money on the deal. jon just wants to make money off this car.....
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 13 2005, 03:14 PM
| QUOTE (bondo @ Jul 13 2005, 04:07 PM) | ||
So where do people get parts to fix rustbuckets? |
I'm reaching here... OTHER "rust buckets"... like the car we cut up at Larry's... Rusted to the core and coated with fiberglass on every piece... but a few savable sections...
maybe a miniature 914 silent auction for the car?
all us MUSR area guys pitch in $100 to buy it and auction it off at MUSR?
I dunno what the right solution is here... the car deserves to be saved, but it IS jon's car, not mine...
3k DOES seem steep for a car that is going to be cut otherwise, but not OUTRAGOUS, IF it runs/drives...
Posted by: lapuwali Jul 13 2005, 03:14 PM
Hey, at least Jon is parting the car out. There are PLENTY of cars that have simply gone to the crusher because someone couldn't find a buyer, and couldn't hang on to the car anymore. There's a car in SJ now that's been on craigslist for nearly a month, with a $1500 price tag, and no one has stepped up to buy it. It's rusty, but didn't sound any worse than most East Coast cars. It even had a running 2.0 in it with a side-shifter. The car isn't on CL anymore, and I hope it was sold to someone who'll repair it or part it. Otherwise, it probably ended up at a yard, where all or part of it will end up as scrap.
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 03:15 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:02 PM) |
| He has set an arbitrary time limit, and I can't get to California to get the car. Plus he WANTS to cut it up. That is evidenced by the price he set. Yes, I can see cutting up the real rust buckets and using the parts to fix others. But this is NOT a rust bucket. My car was worse than that one when I started fixing it. That car deserves to be fixed, not cut up. It's hard for anyone from the land of plentiful 914s to understand. |
The only problem with your logic is that "the real rust buckets" that are "okay" to chop up, are already rusted in the places that every other rust bucket is rusted...
...yeah, that make sense.For example....My '75 parts car (rust bucket #1) is absolutely useless for repairing any metal components on my "74 (rust bucket #2), because the components, in this case both suspension consoles and ears, are already rusted pieces of shit on my '75. Therefore, the only way to get "unrusted" components (noted above) to fix my rust bucket #2, is either pay out the ass ($500? - $600?) for repro's, or wait like a circling buzzard in the desert for an unrusted "donor" to drop.......then swoop in for the tasty (read: unrusted) bits I need.
Posted by: bondo Jul 13 2005, 03:17 PM
| QUOTE (scott thacher @ Jul 13 2005, 02:07 PM) | ||
your right it is his car, and you are wrong he is not trying to help us with parts he is trying to make money... he said that and there is nothing wrong with making money. but the car can be saved easily as for the cars in the junk yards if they were whole running cars then that was wrong too, but the junk yards dont see these cars like we do. and bondo if you car ever gets any damage and i mean fixable damage i will volunteer to fly cross country to cut yours up for ya |
I know he is cutting it up to make money, but chances are it's to fund his 914. (That's the way I do it anyways) I meant he was posting (and selling) HERE, to help US get parts. He would make more money on ebay.
The trouble with trying to preach tolerance is that you have to tolerate intolerance. I've expressed my view, so now I'm going to shut up and tolerate.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 03:17 PM
| QUOTE (GTeener @ Jul 13 2005, 03:08 PM) |
| As I understand it, the time limit isn't really arbitrary. It's wife-itary and storage-itary |
Then he shouldn't have bought the car in the first place. He could have posted the craigslist link here and someone who would keep the car on the road could have bought it.
Now that he has it and can't keep it, he should offer it to the list for what he paid for it instead of trying to make it a financial windfall.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 03:19 PM
| QUOTE (Special_K @ Jul 13 2005, 03:15 PM) | ||
The only problem with your logic is that "the real rust buckets" that are "okay" to chop up, are already rusted in the places that every other rust bucket is rusted... ...yeah, that make sense.For example....My '75 parts car (rust bucket #1) is absolutely useless for repairing any metal components on my "74 (rust bucket #2), because the components, in this case both suspension consoles and ears, are already rusted pieces of shit on my '75. Therefore, the only way to get "unrusted" components (noted above) to fix my rust bucket #2, is either pay out the ass ($500? - $600?) for repro's, or wait like a circling buzzard in the desert for an unrusted "donor" to drop.......then swoop in for the tasty (read: unrusted) bits I need. |
If both your 914s are that bad, then you should buy this one and use the ones you have for parts to fix the fender and front end.
You would get a nice, rust free, running 914 much quicker that way.
Posted by: GTeener Jul 13 2005, 03:20 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:11 PM) |
| BTW... "I" do not have a running 914. I have one that is close. The other one belongs to my wife. It cost me 12K in paint and body work to fix my 914. I have practiced what I preach. I am not afraid to put money into a car to keep it on the road, even if I lose money on the deal. jon just wants to make money off this car..... |
Dude Clay!
If you are willing to spend $12K on paint & body work, what's another $2-$3K?
Let Jon make his money off you and you can save this car. Have a back-up teener & then we'll wait to see how much money you try to make off this car when you decide to sell it
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 03:23 PM
| QUOTE (GTeener @ Jul 13 2005, 03:20 PM) | ||
Dude Clay! If you are willing to spend $12K on paint & body work, what's another $2-$3K? Let Jon make his money off you and you can save this car. Have a back-up teener & then we'll wait to see how much money you try to make off this car |
Gwen,
You can talk all you want. I have already put up my money to save a 914 from the crusher and deliver it to a new home where it's loved and cared for.
I didn't do it for the money.
Problem here is I can't get to where the car is in his time limit.
Bottom line here folks. These cars are like homeless animals. If you don't have a place to keep them, don't buy them!!!!!
Posted by: hargray2 Jul 13 2005, 03:24 PM
This is exactly what he wanted to happen, otherwise he would have gone straight to the classifieds.
Posted by: Jenny Jul 13 2005, 03:26 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 02:02 PM) |
| He has set an arbitrary time limit, and I can't get to California to get the car. Plus he WANTS to cut it up. That is evidenced by the price he set. |
The price he set (I think) is what he got it for. I don't think Jon's trying to make any money on this deal. And I agree with Gwen. This is time sensitive. He's trying to do something nice for his wife. If he's not giving you enough time to get out to cali, pay the man first, and I'm sure we can work out a storage situation until you can come pick the car up. Calling Jon an outright
kinda makes you come across like a , IMHO. Jen
Posted by: bondo Jul 13 2005, 03:28 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot about the ring thing.
Posted by: scott thacher Jul 13 2005, 03:31 PM
| QUOTE (Special_K @ Jul 13 2005, 01:15 PM) |
| Therefore, the only way to get "unrusted" components (noted above) to fix my rust bucket #2, is either pay out the ass ($500? - $600?) for repro's, |
sorry the suspention ear is 199 from PP, if you can get it from restoration design direct it would be closer to 150
or you could take your rusty cars and buy this car and have a complete nice car plus the rusty ones to cut up and sell the parts from.
as for my car being called solid.... lets see i have rust in both sail panels, i need a paint job, my interior is only ok, i had door latch rust that i repaired, i had minor long rust i fixed
oh ya my front trunk floor came from a folded car and is only held in with liquid nails.... yup my car is solid
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 03:32 PM
| QUOTE (Jenny @ Jul 13 2005, 03:26 PM) |
| The price he set (I think) is what he got it for. I don't think Jon's trying to make any money on this deal. And I agree with Gwen. This is time sensitive. He's trying to do something nice for his wife. If he's not giving you enough time to get out to cali, pay the man first, and I'm sure we can work out a storage situation until you can come pick the car up. Calling Jon an outright kinda makes you come across like a , IMHO. Jen |
You really don't get it. It's the way he comes arcross in his first post....
| QUOTE |
| I found this car on Craigslist listed as a non-runner with salvage title. After fixing a couple fuel leaks and replacing points, cap and rotor it runs pretty good and according to the DMV they know nothing of it having a salvage title. It's one of those darn rust-free california cars. And I'm going to chop it to bits. It could be repaired if someone was emotionally attached to it; but I'm not that someone and fixing it would take too much time away from my other projects. One person's loss is everybody else's gain, though. Expect to see pieces of this car in the classifieds very very soon. |
This was done not to get interest in selling the car, it was done with the intention of PISSING OFF all the people who are not in the "land of plentiful 914s".
Then he comes back with...
"tick tock tick tock tick tock"
In my opinion, that makes him a
Posted by: GTeener Jul 13 2005, 03:34 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:23 PM) |
| Problem here is I can't get to where the car is in his time limit. Bottom line here folks. These cars are like homeless animals. If you don't have a place to keep them, don't buy them!!!!! |
None of us keeps these cars on the road as a profitable investment. Lord knows I have way more money in GTEENER than I will ever get back if I sell her.
I'm enjoying this debate philisophically.
Is this really such a black & white issue?
Jon seems like a reasonable guy.
Clay,
How much time do you need?
I haven't seen anyone offer any money for the whole car , nor even suggest a pick-up/delivery extension.
Have you offered to pay him a deposit and negotiate a hand-over?
Posted by: hargray2 Jul 13 2005, 03:38 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:32 PM) |
| It's one of those darn rust-free california cars. And I'm going to chop it to bits. It could be repaired if someone was emotionally attached to it; but I'm not that someone One person's loss is everybody else's gain, though. |
Yes, the way it is worded really sucks.
BTW- Who's loss?
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 03:38 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 12 2005, 09:21 AM) |
| What do you want for the whole car as is? (serious offer) |
The quote is from the bottom of page #1.
It was promptly ignored.......
He just wants the money from the parts.
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 03:42 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:19 PM) |
| If both your 914s are that bad, then you should buy this one and use the ones you have for parts to fix the fender and front end. You would get a nice, rust free, running 914 much quicker that way. |
Two out of three of my 914's are shit....the '73 is rock solid and then some (Brad Mayeur outer long stiffeners), but quite a ways from being complete (no FFC for me if I can't get the '74 safe for the road). The '74 is way less of a POS than the '75 (my first purchase before I knew shit about the rust issues these little bastards have
). The '74 has an emaculate interior, a descent running 2.0L, and the body itself is not too bad. So I with a pair of solid suspension consoles and ears, I'll be rockin' 
A pic is worth a thousand words....so find me one of these on one of your "rust buckets that's okay to chop up", and I'll STFU........til then I say chop it up Jon!
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Posted by: Jenny Jul 13 2005, 03:42 PM
with Gwen here. No one has stepped up to the plate to purchase the car in all its glory. Jon's willing to deliver within a 4hr radius. It's easier for him to be rid of the car in one fell swoop, as opposed to hours of back breaking labor and lots of sawzall blades. He originally posted that he's chopping it into bits and pieces, but that didn't deter people from saying the car should be saved. So someone save it already! Jon's not opposed to the idea! But since no one has offered, he will resort to chopping it up.
Those of you that have met & talked to Jon know he has an awesome sense of humor, and is quite whimsical. The
| QUOTE |
| It's one of those darn rust-free california cars. |
| QUOTE |
| And I'm going to chop it to bits. |
Jen
Posted by: scott thacher Jul 13 2005, 03:42 PM
| QUOTE (Jenny @ Jul 13 2005, 01:26 PM) |
| The price he set (I think) is what he got it for. I don't think Jon's trying to make any money on this deal. And I agree with Gwen. This is time sensitive. He's trying to do something nice for his wife. If he's not giving you enough time to get out to cali, pay the man first, and I'm sure we can work out a storage situation until you can come pick the car up. Jen |
jon said
| QUOTE |
| Part of this is to help finance a 10 year anniversary band for my wife. I'll forward your proposition to her if I can watch the ensuing cat fight |
and jen i met ya and your are nice i am not trying to fight with you but by the quote above he is trying to make money on it. t he should have spent the money on his wife not the car. he bought the car not the gift maybe in the plan to make money to buy the gift
or maybe he bought it and she said NO
and he was told he had one week to get rid of it and this is his way of getting as much money as he can with as much attention as he can
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 03:43 PM
Sorry about the "Sir Andy" quality photo.....I forgot to hit the macro button.
Posted by: Jenny Jul 13 2005, 03:45 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 02:38 PM) | ||
The quote is from the bottom of page #1. It was promptly ignored....... He just wants the money from the parts. |
Clay:
| QUOTE |
| What do you want for the whole car as is? |
Jon wrote back:
| QUOTE |
| I'd probably sell the car as-is for $3k but somebody would have to move quick as I need to dispose of it in about a week's time. |
(second page, second post down)
He promptly responded.
Jen
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 13 2005, 03:47 PM
Ok, I'm back from lunch. Anything happen while I was gone?
Posted by: GTeener Jul 13 2005, 03:47 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:38 PM) | ||
The quote is from the bottom of page #1. It was promptly ignored....... He just wants the money from the parts. |
I think you ignored his answer
| QUOTE |
What do you want for the whole car as is? |
| QUOTE |
| Posted: Jul 12 2005, 07:38 AM Posts: 1456 Location: San Jose, CA I'd probably sell the car as-is for $3k but somebody would have to move quick as I need to dispose of it in about a week's time. |
If the club can find a temporary storage home for Andy's 'club racer' for a couple of months, I'm sure the club can also come to the rescue, and hold this car for you or whomever else buys it.
I have no doubt Jon wants to complete the sale, and he has his reasons for his deadline. Regardless of how many parts it takes, he wants to complete the sale.
In fact, I'm thinking it is a whole lot easier for Jon if the car is sold whole
Posted by: phantom914 Jul 13 2005, 03:48 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 13 2005, 01:47 PM) |
| Ok, I'm back from lunch. Anything happen while I was gone? |
Somebody was about to post puppy pictures.
Andrew
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 03:48 PM
Transfer the suspension, interior and motor from the 74 with the rusty suspension ears to the 73 that has a rock solid chassis.
Now you have a rock solid, running 914.
Posted by: ! Jul 13 2005, 03:49 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 13 2005, 01:47 PM) |
| Ok, I'm back from lunch. Anything happen while I was gone? |
You gained weight???
Posted by: Jenny Jul 13 2005, 04:10 PM
| QUOTE (phantom914 @ Jul 13 2005, 02:48 PM) |
| Somebody was about to post puppy pictures. |
Aparently Z's hairy ass works just as well as puppies.
Shut everyone up pretty quick.Scott, he's decided to get rid of the car (in one pieces or a million pieces) to help finance a ring. I haven't talked to him directly about this, but I'd assume this is one of those "I need money to buy something, and let's see what I don't need." A garage sale, if you will. Why is that so wrong?
He's not trying to make money by dooping a club member. He's trying to make money as in recoup his loss.Jen
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 13 2005, 04:11 PM
man, I'd like to see all 914s in this kind of shape saved, but that can't be done... at this point, I'm out... no CAR is worth this much arguing...
if it's saved... 
great!
if not, I'll buy what I need... just like everyone else.
to be honest, I don't think the 'negotiations' are that far off... 3k for a car that has 4k in parts... 4k for a rust free car to make it to the east coast... where are the people that complain about paying 6k for a rusty POS? and I'm sure jon's price is NOT set in STONE...
I have as much an emotional tie to 914s as anyone, but hey, sometimes you have to give up the 'good' fight... if there is such a thing.
maybe this car WILL get 2-3 or MORE 914s on the road... in that case, cutting it is probably best. I'd love every one of them to be back road worthy... but,it's like a stray dog... I can't take it in, but I don't want to see it put down either...
Posted by: Headrage Jul 13 2005, 04:14 PM
Posted by: phantom914 Jul 13 2005, 04:15 PM
| QUOTE (Jenny @ Jul 13 2005, 02:10 PM) | ||
Aparently Z's hairy ass works just as well as puppies. Shut everyone up pretty quick. |
So what's the common denominator? Cuteness or furriness?
Andrew
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 04:24 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 01:48 PM) |
| Transfer the suspension, interior and motor from the 74 with the rusty suspension ears to the 73 that has a rock solid chassis. Now you have a rock solid, running 914. |
The '73 has flares (in a box in the shed), 911 susp. (in another box in the shed), and cammed/carbed 2.0L (together, but collecting dust on the engine rack)....the '73 is mine. The '74 was supposed to allow me time to complete the '73 at a more leisurely pace, and alleviate my "914 driving jones
" , until my '73 is put together the way I've got it pictured in my minds eye....Arena Red Metallic w/tan interior, GT flares and bumpers, and 16" 7"x8" BBS's, Carbon Graphite top and one-off CG rockers 
. The '74 will then be passed down to my son for his 18th B-day coming up in about 5 months........this was the plan from the beginning, and he's not letting me back out on it (can't blame him there). So Clay, you're suggestion doesn't get my suspension fixed, or anything on the road any quicker.....Chop it Jon, Chop it !
Posted by: lapuwali Jul 13 2005, 04:33 PM
So, this whole "don't buy it if you can't keep it" attitude is, to me, wrong. What if the original seller was prepared to take it to a crusher? Parting even a perfect car is a better deal to me that crushing it. Jon may well be saving it from being crushed.
Clay, if you can't pick it up, then make a deal with someone else to hold it until you can get it. If I had the means to get it, I'd happily park it in front of my house for a week or two until you could come and get it. I don't have the means to get it, so I can't really help.
Someone on this board near John has the means to get it, and perhaps even a place to store it for a short while, I'm certain. So, rather than beat up on Jon, how about asking for some temporary storage here?
Sheesh.
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 13 2005, 04:36 PM
what I cant believe is the amount of good parts that get tossed...see this is exactly what happened to me with my pink car....everyone bitched, and when all was said and done....i STILL didn't have a front clip sitting on my front porch. Some people fight over the stupidest crap......my car's internals are pretty bad....the right suspension console is going to hell...and the CHEAPEST I could find a shop to help me replace the parts is $700, which I simply don't have....so come on guys, it's his car, let him do with it what he wants...
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 04:40 PM
Look....
It's a free country.
It's jon's decision what he wants to do with the car. He is entitled to that. He found it and he bought it.
I am also entitled to my opinion. I think he is a for buying a 914 in that is in that condition and telling us that he will cut it up.
Jenny, if he meant the comments about the "darn rust free california car" and the "tick tock" stuff as a joke, well, his joke hit a nerve with all the people not in california.
All he succeded in doing was to piss people off.
Special_K. If I were you, I would step up and spend the 400.00 to buy BRAND NEW suspension consoles for the car that my teenage son would be driving. You never know what you are getting with used parts.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 04:41 PM
I am out of here for a while...........
(totally disgusted with this site......)
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 04:43 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 13 2005, 01:47 PM) |
| Ok, I'm back from lunch. Anything happen while I was gone? |
Nah....just some "Green Peace, Save Willie" style whining. How's that sawzall trigger finger feeling Jon?
[chop-it, chop-it, chop-it]Oh, see if you can get someone to take some pics of the dissection.....that'll send "someone" right over the edge.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 13 2005, 04:55 PM
FYI... I found the ad on Craigslist.
He bought the car for 900.00. Now he wants 3000.00
Sounds like a to me.
Posted by: ematulac Jul 13 2005, 04:55 PM
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Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 04:55 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 02:40 PM) |
| Special_K. If I were you, I would step up and spend the 400.00 to buy BRAND NEW suspension consoles for the car that my teenage son would be driving. You never know what you are getting with used parts. |
Clay, I would never let him drive anything that I wouldn't drive myself. You're there braggin' about spending 12k on getting your tub done.....well, I'm not made of money (yeah, I know, "cheap bastard").
"Step up".....How about "Fuck You!"
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 13 2005, 05:07 PM
Hi Clay 
Can you show us the Craigslist ad? You can just cut and paste the link into a post if you don't know how to use the "link" feature.
Posted by: Jenny Jul 13 2005, 05:19 PM
even in california, land of the rust free 914, you'd be hard pressed to find a teener in that condition for $900.
Jen
Posted by: Dead Air Jul 13 2005, 05:20 PM
http://www.craigslist.org/sby/car/83224908.html
I don't think it's OUR Jen 'cause I didn't see any puppys or any **%^&#$!! or F*%!!@**.
Posted by: Jenny Jul 13 2005, 05:24 PM
Are you accusing me of having a 
mouth?
Jen
edit: upon closer examination, it's signed by Jens. indeed!
Posted by: Dead Air Jul 13 2005, 05:36 PM
| QUOTE (Jenny @ Jul 13 2005, 01:42 PM) |
| "tick tocks" are meant to be taken in a humorous fashion, not a fuck-you-and-your-rusty-teeners-I-live-in-California-and-can-chop-up-cars-if-I-feel-like-it fashion. Sheesh!! Jen |
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Who Me?
People outside the west coast (us) are resentful and frustrated that our cars rust out due to the weather and salt. Not just the teeners, all our cars.
I think we can agree that shipping a car east adds a thousand $ to the price but Capt Tripps shipped Sklines car back from the WCC for (I recollect) more than that. with a busted susp. arm. And the other thing is getting enough time off from work to travel to find a car and make arangements.
IMHO
We don't "blame" you for having nice cars.
Posted by: Jenny Jul 13 2005, 05:38 PM
Oh, yeah. That post. I forgot about that. That was me parodying what Clay was thinking.
Jen
Posted by: anthony Jul 13 2005, 05:40 PM
Jon, how many offers to date? It cracks me up that so many people will slave away for months or years on a rust bucket but won't have a 914 shipped back east.
Here's a plan for someone:
Buy this car
Tow it to Los Ponchos in Tiajuana
For a total invested $5500 you'd have a non-rusty 2.0L 914 with fresh paint, a new interior, and a hand stitched leather dash that is worth $7K+.
Here's another plan. Offer Jon $2800, weld on a fender or the free quarter that Craig offered in your garage, do a $300 Maaco paint job, and have a nice cheap autocross car. Cheap fun!
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 13 2005, 05:43 PM
Speaking of Clay, how's it coming with that Craigslist post, buddy? You almost done fabricating one to support your lie?
I'm not calling you out, you called me out and I'm responding.
P.S. - No offers to date for the car. Not even insultingly low ones.
Posted by: scott thacher Jul 13 2005, 05:54 PM
okay jon, if clay is not here right now. why dont you post it, or maybe the bill of sale
btw i am not against you making a finders fee, i said that in a post a few pages ago. i dont think 500 bucks is out of line, unless it makes the price out of the market, which in that case you should have not bought it
you would be better off fixing the car for 500, ( high gues for the quarter ) and do a macko paint job and sell it for 6 k or more on ebay
i know you want to get a ring for your wife and i also understand that, but once again if you cant afford to do it with out selling the car you should have not bought it, you should not let these cars get in between you and your life.
take me personally i am broke, my car needs tires and an oil change ( immedate things ) , but i owe too much money other places to do anything more than just drive the car. its bad when the 20 bucks that it would cost for an oil change is more than i can afford to put in to the car right now
Posted by: bondo Jul 13 2005, 05:57 PM
| QUOTE (Dave Eddy @ Jul 13 2005, 04:36 PM) | ||
[QUOTE] Who Me? People outside the west coast (us) are resentful and frustrated that our cars rust out due to the weather and salt. Not just the teeners, all our cars. I think we can agree that shipping a car east adds a thousand $ to the price but Capt Tripps shipped Sklines car back from the WCC for (I recollect) more than that. with a busted susp. arm. And the other thing is getting enough time off from work to travel to find a car and make arangements. IMHO We don't "blame" you for having nice cars. |
That was my car. Now his buddy Vance has it, and last I heard he was making some pretty good progress on it. If I still had it, I'd take up Scott Thatcher's offer, because (before I did the rough bodywork) it was definitely worth more in parts. The only reasons I didn't cut it up were because it's too much work, and I didn't need any of the parts for myself.
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 13 2005, 06:09 PM
you want a offer....I have $600 in a bank account for you if that car has two solid longs and a nice tray--no hell hole
there's your insultingly low offer...
Posted by: Mueller Jul 13 2005, 06:20 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 13 2005, 05:09 PM) |
| you want a offer....I have $600 in a bank account for you if that car has two solid longs and a nice tray--no hell hole there's your insultingly low offer... |
that would an acceptable offer for the bare chassis once stripped of the bolt-on parts....I'd take it...of course it'll cost you $1000.00 or so to get it back East
Posted by: Mueller Jul 13 2005, 06:24 PM
Jon is a reasonable person.....how about someone offering to buy the stripped down chassis for just a few hundred bucks?? Who knows, once all the bolt-on items that us vultures want have been taken off and sold, he might be willing to "give" the bare chassis away.....
but I doubt anyone will take him up on that offer either
Posted by: scotty b Jul 13 2005, 06:25 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 13 2005, 02:36 PM) |
| what I cant believe is the amount of good parts that get tossed...see this is exactly what happened to me with my pink car....everyone bitched, and when all was said and done....i STILL didn't have a front clip sitting on my front porch. Some people fight over the stupidest crap......my car's internals are pretty bad....the right suspension console is going to hell...and the CHEAPEST I could find a shop to help me replace the parts is $700, which I simply don't have....so come on guys, it's his car, let him do with it what he wants... |
B.S. Britt. You had me as well as 2-3 other people trying to get you a clip, and you were too damn antsy and caere free to wait a few days. THEN you come in and assure everyone that pinky is safe and you will be storing it until you can get around to restoring it. You gace a definite impression that the car would NOT be cut up , so I dropped it. Then a few months ago you slipped up and said something and the bell went off. Don't try to come up with some B.S. story about how no-one would step up. I'll find the original thread and link to it if I have to! As far as this car, what I see is everyone who wants to save the car is on the East coast and knows what we constantly deal with while the West coasters don't care because it's a dime a dozen to them. I think we see who cares about the cars and who cares about the pockets
. If I could afford it, I would wire the money right now because this is the kind of shit I'm used to doing. %90 of the cars I have fixed have looked like this or worse. Be grateful for what you have Cali peeps.
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Posted by: bd1308 Jul 13 2005, 06:26 PM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Jul 13 2005, 06:20 PM) | ||
that would an acceptable offer for the bare chassis once stripped of the bolt-on parts....I'd take it...of course it'll cost you $1000.00 or so to get it back East |
heh....914 road trip....teener dragging a teener.
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 06:27 PM
Holy shit!
A guy buys a car for a good deal, gets what he needs off of it, decides he wants the space more than he wants the car ("I have no emotional ties to this car" [ more or less]), offer's it up for sale (no takers), and is willing to go through the hassle/headache of parting it out (tons of takers) to make some cash and help out the iron oxide group........and so that makes him an unscrupulous, immoral, lying, .
Just sounds like "business" to me.
Jon, PM me a price for both rear suspension sections (inner/outer - left/right), and I'll get you a MO in the mail ASAP. 
Remember, the neatness of the final cut is not a factor.
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 13 2005, 06:30 PM
| QUOTE (scotty b @ Jul 13 2005, 06:25 PM) | ||
B.S. Britt. You had me as well as 2-3 other people trying to get you a clip, and you were too damn antsy and caere free to wait a few days. THEN you come in and assure everyone that pinky is safe and you will be storing it until you can get around to restoring it. You gace a definite impression that the car would NOT be cut up , so I dropped it. Then a few months ago you slipped up and said something and the bell went off. Don't try to come up with some B.S. story about how no-one would step up. I'll find the original thread and link to it if I have to! As far as this car, what I see is everyone who wants to save the car is on the East coast and knows what we constantly deal with while the West coasters don't care because it's a dime a dozen to them. I think we see who cares about the cars and who cares about the pockets . If I could afford it, I would wire the money right now because this is the kind of shit I'm used to doing. %90 of the cars I have fixed have looked like this or worse. Be grateful for what you have Cali peeps. |
what does teh East Coast have to do with me? Oh and besides the pink car WAS a public auction....7-day IIRC...
it'll get restored......
Posted by: scotty b Jul 13 2005, 06:36 PM
1- the pink car will never be right because I'm betting the VIN was cut out. Like I stated in the original thread, I have repaired a car hit JUST like your red one, and to be done correctly, the donor car has to be cut back around where the VIN no. is stamped. 2- there was a change over from your pink car, to the car that started this thread.
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 13 2005, 06:41 PM
i'm just trying to get things done.......
he wanted a low offer, i have the low offer. simple.
for a car to be concorse, it must have the orig paint...this thing has been chipped and maaco painted red. it ain't concorse, i dunno what you want from me.
take the pink car from me or drop it--.....
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 06:51 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 13 2005, 04:41 PM) |
| i'm just trying to get things done....... |
Werd!
Posted by: scruz914 Jul 13 2005, 06:58 PM
I have been enjoying this thread. At some point I may be willing to jump in and make a serious offer for the car to save it. I don't think it is worth $3k but really don't know what it is worth. So I went to craigslist to check out the current market. Here is what I found:
http://www.craigslist.com/sby/pts/83811525.html
http://www.craigslist.com/eby/car/83626348.html
http://www.craigslist.com/nby/car/84221638.html
http://www.craigslist.com/sby/car/82647261.html
And then there is this one:
http://www.craigslist.com/sfc/car/83630627.html
I know that nice looking 914s for sale can end up being rusted in all of the usual places upon inspection, so the above listings may be junk. I am guessing Jon's car might be worth around $2k if it is as rust free as claimed and with the front fender damage. It doesn't matter what he paid for it. I am willing to check it out for anyone. Problem is I am out of town this weekend so it would have to be Thursday unless Jon is willing to wait until next week. That is if someone wants to buy the whole car and Jon is willing to sell it whole. I could also store it for a short while if needed.
Can someone (Jon?) explain the issue with the title?
-Jeff
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 13 2005, 07:01 PM
if no one will make a real offer on the car, then it deserves to be cut up... it shocks me and disgusts me that the car be cut up, but if no one will even offer 2000(to make up for the 1000 shipping, then obviously cutting is what everyone wants...
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| on is a reasonable person.....how about someone offering to buy the stripped down chassis for just a few hundred bucks?? Who knows, once all the bolt-on items that us vultures want have been taken off and sold, he might be willing to "give" the bare chassis away..... but I doubt anyone will take him up on that offer either |
that would be a great deal Mueller! he can pull the tranny, motor, and fuchs off and get his 3k and sell the roller with some beetle rims for 1000...
hell I bought a roller for 1500 with an engine that DIDN'T run, it DID have some minor rust, and NO (zero) interior... and drove 6 hours to get it too!!
would I have paid 3k for a rust-free runner with a bad quarter? damn right! I'd have taken a week of work, rented a truck and towed the bitch back on a trailer... it would have sat in MY garage until I got the $$ to have a body shop fix it, but I'd have done it...
have nothing against anyone in this deal.
I understand where Clay's coming from, to see a car that clean be cut up SICKENS me!! and I can see where jon DESERVES to make a profit...
If I was in Jon's place and NO ONE would step up and at least say "hey give me a week to find some dough, here's a $100 deposit" or "can someone store this car until I can make arrangements" then I'd probably HAVE to do the same thing... if people want the parts, not the car... sad but true
has anyone even asked if the timeline is flexible (with a deposit to back it up?)
these cars are like stray dogs, I'd take them in and get them all help if I could, and I hate to know that one is being 'put down'
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 13 2005, 07:06 PM
btw, if this does get the chop-chop...
someone in the classifieds needs the tranny and linkage,
and I am 99% sure I know someone who wants the front trunk if that's not bad...
Posted by: Dead Air Jul 13 2005, 07:07 PM
Bondo,
I mis- spoke. Sorry
Posted by: McMark Jul 13 2005, 07:13 PM
It's funny to me that the people who BITCH the most about cutting up cars aren't the ones who have garages FULL of parts. They aren't the ones whove gone through all the HELL of trying to get rid of stuff.
Exactly HOW LONG should Jon have to hold onto this car? HOW LONG should he sacrifice his shop/garage space to store a car he doesn't want any more? WHY WOULD HE DO THAT? I'm all for helping out the 914 community, but at some point, any rational person decides that they'd like to use their garage to park their car in. I know I haven't been able to in a long time.
I'm sure even Clay and Scott would be singing a different tune if they had 5 914s at their house and a garage stacked to the ceiling with 914 parts. At some point you get tired of being a wrecking yard and try to get rid of it. And I'll tell you what happens EVERY TIME someone tries to get rid of the stuff. NO ONE WANTS IT!
If this car was so worth saving WHERE ARE THE MARTYRS AND THEIR $$$? Step up! Save it. You can do it. No, instead everyone TELLS Jon that it's Jon's RESPONSIBILITY to save it. Screw that.
Regardless of the reason he has the car now, he wants it gone. Cut up or sold doesn't matter. Just get it gone. I can understand. I'm with you Jon, I got your back.
Posted by: bondo Jul 13 2005, 07:20 PM
| QUOTE (Dave Eddy @ Jul 13 2005, 06:07 PM) |
| Bondo, I mis- spoke. Sorry |
No problem, I was just clearing things up. Both skline and I showed up with just primered 914s.. easy mistake.
Posted by: Dead Air Jul 13 2005, 07:27 PM
| QUOTE (bondo @ Jul 13 2005, 05:20 PM) | ||
No problem, I was just clearing things up. Both skline and I showed up with just primered 914s.. easy mistake. |
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Don't cut me any slack! Sklines car had that cool stripe on it!
Does California have temporary/ Transport stickers for registration? That would save someone from having to trailer it?
Posted by: McMark Jul 13 2005, 07:28 PM
| QUOTE (Dave Eddy @ Jul 13 2005, 05:27 PM) |
| Does California have temporary/ Transport stickers for registration? That would save someone from having to trailer it? |
Yes.
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 13 2005, 07:53 PM
Going to sleep now - I am sure I will have bad dreams about not having enough cash to buy this car, not having a garage to put it in, not having another $1000 to transport to the east coast. Thanks for offering the car as a whole and for offering us the parts. The community has spoken : ) I'd like to see if one Ginsu can be used to part out a 914???
Posted by: Headrage Jul 13 2005, 08:19 PM
Hey John,
Got that bumper off yet??
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 13 2005, 09:17 PM
| QUOTE (scruz914 @ Jul 13 2005, 05:58 PM) |
| Can someone (Jon?) explain the issue with the title? -Jeff |
I'll do the best I can as this is third hand knowledge.
The car is a local original. The owner had it shipped to him in one of the Carolinas while stationed there in the service. There the car was hit by a neighbor while parked in front of the seller's house. The insurance totaled it like they usually do 914's. He collected the insurance and bought the car back to repair it. He took it to a body shop where it sat untouched for a year. The whole time it was still registered and titled in California. The seller told me when he got back to California with the car he sent the title to the DMV and told them what happened. They sent him the same title back unchanged, not marked as salvage.
I bought the car as a non-running late '73 2.0 with a salvage title.
I call the DMV the next day to ask about what would be involved in the event someone wanted to put the car back on the road. I knew it was worth saving and planned to offer it up in case someone wanted it. The kind lady tells me that they do not show the car as having salvage status and that it should be plainly marked on the title if it were. She says the car is currently listed as PNO. [Planned Non-Operation for those of you not living in California. You have to tell the DMV when you plan to not renew the registration on your car, otherwise it will keep accruing and you will have to pay back-registration when you (or an unsuspecting buyer) goes to re-register the car] She told me that to register the car the only fees that would be due were title transfer, tax, and new plates because I don't have the front one (or the bumper it was attached to).
So as far as the title, that's it as I understand it. I can't guarantee it, per se, as it's all based on a conversation on the phone with, of all people, the DMV. I've thought of offering a 15% refund if it turns out to actually have a salvage title as I don't like to mis-represent myself; however I'm not sure how I feel about that right now.
WHAT A GREAT THREAD!!!
Jon
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 13 2005, 10:01 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 13 2005, 07:17 PM) |
| WHAT A GREAT THREAD!!! Jon |
Hey...shouldn't you be chopping a car up instead of playing around on the computer?
Posted by: Jenny Jul 13 2005, 10:14 PM
| QUOTE (scotty b @ Jul 13 2005, 05:25 PM) |
| As far as this car, what I see is everyone who wants to save the car is on the East coast and knows what we constantly deal with while the West coasters don't care because it's a dime a dozen to them. I think we see who cares about the cars and who cares about the pockets . If I could afford it, I would wire the money right now because this is the kind of shit I'm used to doing. %90 of the cars I have fixed have looked like this or worse. Be grateful for what you have Cali peeps. |
If I could afford it, I'd buy it as well. Join the friggin' club. No one can afford it, that's why no one's made Jon an offer. ('cept Britt's $600
) Jen
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 13 2005, 10:16 PM
I bought my rusty POS roller for $400....
Posted by: rick 918-S Jul 14 2005, 12:46 AM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 02:55 PM) |
| FYI... I found the ad on Craigslist. He bought the car for 900.00. Now he wants 3000.00 Sounds like a to me. |
come on... You people on the Gold Coast don't get it. Too much sun or something. Make a couple of bucks and a friend. The car isn't worth $ 4000.00 in it's present condition. ($ 3000.00 + shipping...) After repairing the damage it's hardly worth the cost of repairs. It's the passion. If you don't get the vibe here, you don't have it. Shame on all of you.
Your cars are premo nice! We don't get those here. How about a little respect for people that have less instead of poking them in the eye with your thumb.
If your serious about selling the car and not just making fun of us less fortunate. Sell the car the Clay at a fair price, make a few bucks on the deal, and help a fellow enthusist but finding a local member that can keep the car safe until he can pick it up. That's the right thing to do and you all know it.
Posted by: Jenny Jul 14 2005, 01:39 AM
Rick, read the entire thread. Again. Clay pulled that purchase price out of his ass. Jon would never try to make a profit of $2100. Especially off a club member or fellow teener enthousiast.
Clay claims he found the craigslist ad that has that car listed for $900. He has yet to prove it. Pretty much, he has the huevos to call Jon "Liar, liar. Pants on fire. And I've got the proof!" in public, but can't back it up with proof, and has since taken his ball and gone home.
And Jon's not disrespecting people with rusty cars, or west coast challenged people. He's trying to get rid of a car. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. He's selling it for $3000. Purchase price is $3000. Regardless of whether you live in San Jose, New York, or Timbucktoo. If you happen to need to arrange for transport ($), so be it. Maybe someone with the dedication and passion for these cars is willing to drive out, rent a Uhaul, and truck it back to the rust belt.
You guys make it sound like we don't love these cars as much as you do. Well, I don't see any of you guys offering to save the poor car either. You're just as bad as the west coasters then, aren't you? (I can't believe we're drawing a line for sides here, by the way. East side, and West side. Just like the rappers )
Jen
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 14 2005, 01:49 AM
ok, here's what we should do:
jon will cut the car in half down the center line. the left half of the car stays here at the left coast. the right half of the car will be shipped to the east coast. then we all wait another 30 years. that will settle the eastcoast/westcoast thing once and for all.
Andy
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 01:58 AM
| QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jul 13 2005, 11:46 PM) |
| Your cars are premo nice! |
Really? Here's my car in a picture dated March 2004. The only difference between then and now is I've scraped more Olympic Blue paint from the front trunk. I would have liked to have started with a nicer car, one that didn't need the passenger floorboard replaced or didn't have a rusted through rear trunk; but I told myself this was a better fit for me because I had a feeling I wanted to do some wild stuff and I know I couldn't bring myself to do that to a nice original car. Oh, and I couldn't afford anything nicer.
To be continued...
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Posted by: Travis Neff Jul 14 2005, 02:40 AM
I can't believe this turned into 9 pages of crap, and I can't believe I read it all.
Christ, who cares??
Obviously Jon is getting a chuckle out of the flame ware he has created and he has sucked a lot of you into it to boot.
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 03:44 AM
Ok, now that I've put on my "be serious" underpants I guess I can vent a little. This will probably be a mistake but...
That picture is of my garage. It's the only place I have to work on my car. See, I live in a townhouse in San Jose. I don't have a yard or a driveway to store the green car. I don't have a lift like Clay does. I can't run a compressor or make too much noise. That's the reason for the "arbitrary and unrealistic" deadline. I need to make this car gone. It can't live on the street without putting myself or the previous owner in a world of hurt. Don't feel sorry for me though, I do live in Silicon Valley after all, it's not like I'm living in a van down by the river.
Maybe I shouldn't have bought it in the first place but I'm trying to make something happen. I'm trying to do what we all want to do, create something that so far only exists in my mind. I'm trying to complete something before it becomes a running joke, or worse, ends up for sale as a pile of parts in the classifieds because I've given up (e.g. fiid's car).
I screwed up. I started this thread with a little attitude because of something I read the other day (http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=34756&hl=nanner) and because I know from watching other people part out cars here that there's a lot of talk and not much action when it comes to moving the whole car. I was hoping to get people to move on this but here we are, 10 pages later and I've gotten one serious offer (not counting Britt's savings account); it came in a few hours ago and it was for less than I'm into the car. The problem now is tempers start to rise, people take sides and I may have trouble selling the parts or the car as a whole and recouping my loss.
[Please hold while I change back out of my "be serious" underpants]
Clay, I don't know you, never met you, never conversed with you in any way until today. Not sure what your problem is but I bet it's treatable with medication. My guess is that, despite what you said, you're not in a position to make me a "serious offer" and it's easier to make an adversary out of me than to admit it (oh, and you're willing to lie to get there too).
Scott Thacher, thank you for telling me how much I deserve to earn as a "finder's fee" for taking the risk of buying a non-running salvage-titled car. When you complete your Subaru Conversion Kit please post your total cost here and we'll be glad to tell you how much you are allowed to sell it for.
Rick, thank you for telling me what the car is not worth. Is that your opinion as a 914 lover or as a former bodyshop owner? You do realize that those two perspectives can't co-exist, right? The 914 lover lives in "retail land" while the bodyshop owner gets to live in the land of jobber pricing and car auctions.
And to all the people who do seem to really get it (not this uber-idealistic reality some people are living in) thanks for your participation in one kick-butt thread that is about 914's!!! Not politics, religion, or Zois' butt crack (Hi Mikey buddy!).
Stay tuned folks, I just got an idea but I'm saving it for morning!
Jon
Posted by: scott thacher Jul 14 2005, 03:50 AM
| QUOTE (Jenny @ Jul 13 2005, 11:39 PM) |
| Rick, read the entire thread. Again. Clay pulled that purchase price out of his ass. Jon would never try to make a profit of $2100. Jen |
jenny he said he found the ad, but he is taking a few days off. i guess when he comes back he will post it. maybe somebody else also found it and they will post it, but maybe he did make it up but i think clay is a little more honest than that.
Posted by: ematulac Jul 14 2005, 07:01 AM
Not taking sides here, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Personally, I'd like to see someone save this 914.
The Craiglist ad was deleted, but here's a copy of it dated 6/22. The seller lowered the asking price to $1700 about a week later.
| QUOTE |
Almost Perfect '73 914 (san jose east) ***** ASKING PRICE IS $2500 BUT DEFINITELY NEGOTIABLE ***** 1973 Porsche 914 2.0 Miles: 250000 Doors: 2 doors Transmission: Manual Interior: Black Engine: 4 - Cyl. Year: 1973 VIN Number: 47329 Title: Salvage Exterior: Green Options: Convertible Vehicle Description @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ I am selling this car for a great price as I need the money quick. Payment will be due 48 hours from close of the sale. This is a near perfect 1973 914. I am the third owner of this car and I have had it for 10 years. It always ran great for me and the biggest thing I ever had to fix was the clutch. About 2 years ago a neighbor of mine ran into the passenger side fender and dented the fender and bumper. The insurance company would not pay to have it fixed as it would be more than what they determined the car to be worth. Of course when it is your first car that has never let you down, you get a little mad. I kept the car and took it to a shop that said they could fix it. It sat for over a year and they never touched it. I have a new fender for it. The bumper that I have is not really that great. It has a ding in it and you would be better off trying to get one here on E-Bay. The interior is missing the radio as it was stolen from the shady autobody repair place. The paint is starting to show a little wear, but some wax should it bring it back out. Of course there are scratches and small dings in a few places, but the car is over 30 years old. The engine ran when I took it to the repair shop, but they did not start it, so it no longer runs. After looking at it, it probably needs a battery, spark plugs, rotor and distributor cap. It will also need to have any fluids drained and refilled. This car has a lot of history and if you would like to know more, please email me. GOOD LUCK!! EMAIL ME IF YOU WANT MORE PICTURES!!!!!!!! This item has been posted by-owner. no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests 80392928 6/22/2005 7:16 PM |
Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 14 2005, 07:36 AM
the uproar over this car completely escapes me. whatever jon paid for this car is irrelevant. if he wants to part it out, spend hours taking it apart, spend hours answering emails and pms, spend hours boxing stuff up, spend hours driving to fedex/ups/usps and back home so people can aquire some badly needed parts, to make some money what's the crime? until he makes back the money he spent on the car and related exspenses he's in the hole. when you figure the bottom line, it's not like he's going to be cutting a fat hog. jon, when you have a minute could you push in the cigar lighter to see if it still works? i almost got in a wreck trying light a smoke while repeatedly flicking my bic and steering with my knees on the freeway. calling for sure today, 8ish. are you sure that's an ad for the same car? color in ad states green, i think the car jon has is silver.
k
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 09:06 AM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 14 2005, 04:44 AM) |
| Stay tuned folks, I just got an idea but I'm saving it for morning! Jon |
well... it's 8am PST, and obviously we're all on pins and needles... the whole board is quiet, awaiting your response...
what COULD it be?
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 09:08 AM
Hi Kevin, good to hear from you, I was afraid all this was putting you off. Call anytime you like.
Sure I'll check the cigar lighter, if it doesn't work you can have the one from my own car. I don't think I'll be able to reach it while wearing a 5-pt harness anyway.
The ad ematulac quoted is the same car. I saw the one the seller re-posted a week later for $1700 as he said. I have the additional photos from emailing his wife, maybe I should post them?
Jon
Posted by: Root_Werks Jul 14 2005, 09:14 AM
If you part it out, did anyone call dibs on the rust? Is the rust in good shape? I could use some more as the PO seemed to have removed most of it on my 914. Just a bag a flakes would be cool, I don't want to hog it all for myself.
Posted by: URY914 Jul 14 2005, 09:35 AM
Paul
Posted by: Jenny Jul 14 2005, 09:48 AM
| QUOTE (scott thacher @ Jul 14 2005, 02:50 AM) |
| jenny he said he found the ad, but he is taking a few days off. i guess when he comes back he will post it. maybe somebody else also found it and they will post it, but maybe he did make it up but i think clay is a little more honest than that. |
he said he's taking a few days off after Jon requested he post the craigslist ad. How convenient.
Like I stated, if you have the nads to call someone a liar, back it up. Otherwise, Clay's no better than Sam accusing Brad of stealing #4. I know Jon, and I know Clay. Not well, but probably better than you do. How well do you know either of them to question their integrity? Jon didn't come out and attack Clay, but Clay has no reservations about doing it to Jon. Who's the bigger man here?Jen
Posted by: phantom914 Jul 14 2005, 10:01 AM
| QUOTE (Jenny @ Jul 14 2005, 07:48 AM) | ||
he said he's taking a few days off after Jon requested he post the craigslist ad. How convenient. Like I stated, if you have the nads to call someone a liar, back it up. Otherwise, Clay's no better than Sam accusing Brad of stealing #4. I know Jon, and I know Clay. Not well, but probably better than you do. How well do you know either of them to question their integrity? Jon didn't come out and attack Clay, but Clay has no reservations about doing it to Jon. Who's the bigger man here?Jen |
Actually, to be correct, Clay disappeared after he said he found the ad, before Jon asked for him to produce it.
That says nothing about what I think about either side and may make no difference in anybody's opinion, but that is how it happened.
Now back to the rational debate.
Andrew
Posted by: ! Jul 14 2005, 10:01 AM
OK...so, for the brain to digest.....people are mad cause there's a roller that may or may not have a salvage title....right?
CURE...
Register it....
Ok.....people are mad cause there is a nice tub that may go under the knife....
CURE...
Buy it or STFU
Ok...even IF someone wants to buy...no has stepped up...someone is bitching that the seller is making too much money....
CURE...
Make an offer or STFU
*Note...remind self to buy high and sell low next time...
This thread is like Seinfeld....it's about nothing but a lot of bitching....
so STFU
or buy the freaking car.....hey Jon, set a deadline for buyers....set an asking price, then cut the fucker up when it passes.....
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 14 2005, 10:04 AM
yeah man. seinfeld. i'm george then. miles is uncle leo.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 10:06 AM
I'm with Z...
and don't care either way at this point.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 10:06 AM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 14 2005, 11:04 AM) |
| yeah man. seinfeld. i'm george then. miles is uncle leo. |
are you shitting me?! Miles is Kramer!
Posted by: bondo Jul 14 2005, 10:10 AM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jul 14 2005, 09:06 AM) | ||
are you shitting me?! Miles is Kramer! |
I thought Miles was bubble boy.
Jon and Clay are arguing about which way to enter a parallel parking space.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 10:11 AM
| QUOTE (bondo @ Jul 14 2005, 11:10 AM) | ||||
I thought Miles was bubble boy. Jon and Clay are arguing about which way to enter a parallel parking space. |
no,no... that's Britt...
Posted by: ! Jul 14 2005, 10:12 AM
I hear the roller was once owned by Jon Voight....
Posted by: Headrage Jul 14 2005, 10:12 AM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 14 2005, 09:04 AM) |
| yeah man. seinfeld. i'm george then. |
Maybe Elaine?
Posted by: tod914 Jul 14 2005, 10:15 AM
| QUOTE |
| I hear the roller was once owned by Jon Voight.... |
Well, if that is the case, I'll take the seat cushion his daughter sat on
Posted by: bd1308 Jul 14 2005, 10:16 AM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Jul 14 2005, 10:12 AM) | ||
Maybe Elaine? |
no.
start->shutdown.
your Computer is now safe to turn off.
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 10:24 AM
Ok, here we go...
At the risk of aggravating all the people who are already counting on parts, I'll make the following offer.
I bought the car for $1500, top price for a non-runner with salvage title in my opinion, but I don't buy and sell cars everyday. I want a $500 finder's fee (Scott picked the number and I like it). Not for me, not for my wife, for the guy I bought the car from. He was as honest as he could be in representing the car and even though he seemed ok with selling it he dropped a hint about taking his wife to the hospital and her being flown back east for some kind of special care. I don't know the specifics of her condition but this idea ocurred to me as I was leaving his house with the car and I thought I might be able to make enough to give him $500 since the car appeared to not be a salvage after all. I was going back and forth on whether I would actually do this but now I'm making it public and the board can hold me to it. If anyone wants to make this happen we could handle the $500 through an unbiased third party. There are quite a few members here that are active, have not taken part in this thread and have shown to be beyond reproach.
The only part I was really hoping to keep out of all this is the transmission. I gave mine to Brad to be rebuilt but that was before he got out of 914s. It's been dis-assembled and moved 2 or 3 times since then so it's not like I can just go pick it up. I'm sure he'll get it back to me at some point but I'm not holding him to any particular deadline. I figured I'd get a good used transmission and hold on to the original as a spare.
So there you have it. $2000 and a good used side-shift transmission. The tranny isn't a dealbreaker for me but the $500 is. If people don't feel the car is worth $2000 in it's present state then it will be worth that in parts and I will get a transmission and some nerve damage in my hands for my trouble. Whatever I get above the $2k mark will go to my wife's anniversary band and if (God willing) I make more than that I may actually have a few dollars to put towards my car in the ever-decreasing hopes it's finished by next year's WCC (and maybe now you see where my money-grubbing $3k number came from).
Peace out,
Jon
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 10:28 AM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jul 13 2005, 11:49 PM) |
| ok, here's what we should do: jon will cut the car in half down the center line. the left half of the car stays here at the left coast. the right half of the car will be shipped to the east coast. then we all wait another 30 years. that will settle the eastcoast/westcoast thing once and for all. Andy |
Sir "King Solomon" Andy. Nice one!
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 14 2005, 10:29 AM
Actually.. I have your tranny right here with me. I brought it down with me when I first came down. Few gaskets and I can bring it up with me in the coming weeks. I brought 3 with me. One of them was yours. I need to stop by Black Forest and pick up some individual gaskets.
I havent read through everything, but I'm guessing people where pissy that your where going to cut the car?
B
Posted by: Mueller Jul 14 2005, 10:33 AM
| QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Jul 14 2005, 09:29 AM) |
| Actually.. I have your tranny right here with me. I brought it down with me when I first came down. Few gaskets and I can bring it up with me in the coming weeks. I brought 3 with me. One of them was yours. I need to stop by Black Forest and pick up some individual gaskets. I havent read through everything, but I'm guessing people where pissy that your where going to cut the car? B |
| QUOTE |
| I havent read through everything, but I'm guessing people where pissy that your where going to cut the car? |
and god forbid that he try to make a little profit at it at the same time.....
Posted by: Jenny Jul 14 2005, 10:36 AM
Alas, the profit nazis have exclaimed "NO PROFIT FOR YOU!!!" (Hehehe, Seinfeld reference)
Jen
Posted by: URY914 Jul 14 2005, 10:43 AM
This whole thing is kinda like the Herbie Rides Again movie. See the movie and you'll understand.
Lonely, unloved 914, is sold by mean used car salesman to a nice sweet (smokin')girl who falls in love with it. And it wins a NASCAR race.
Paul
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 10:48 AM
Where's Mer? Carl? Mer needs her own 914 and this one is close to home
It's better than a roller. It runs!
Great starter car for $2,500!
Keep it whole 
Or not
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 14 2005, 11:03 AM
Newsbreak:
*Some* 914 people want everything for free. 100 people will say they want the whole car and 99.5 of them will back out when it comes time to exchange money/title. This is just the law of the land when it comes to used cars/parts. Not just 914's. I cant count how many times people pissed and moaned when we cut up a semi decent tub... I always responded.. then BUY IT. By them all up and store them.
B
Posted by: bondo Jul 14 2005, 11:29 AM
I wonder how much money I could make buying 914s in CA and shipping them to the east coast... Any east coasters want to be the seller on that end?
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 11:34 AM
Hey Brad,
I wasn't calling you out about the tranny, we haven't talked in a while and you're obviously busy. And it's not like I need it right now! I still have your dummy tranny which is a lot easier to move around cuz it's so lite.
Bondo, are you joking? Read Brad's last reply, he's absolutely right. When it's time to move all you can hear are crickets chirping in the distance.
Jon
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 14 2005, 11:44 AM
Ok. Here is what happened with the cragislist ad.
I found what I thought was the ad from craigslist. I was wrong. I had the wrong city. As for my opinion about this whole mess.. it has not changed one iota.
I am entitled to my opinion.
Jon is entitled to do what he wants with the car.
We may not agree, and I may call him nasty names in the process, but I will defend his right to do what he wants with his property.
Jenny... I am not a liar, and I do not appreciate being called one. If I am wrong about something, I will admit it (see above).
Mark. You have no business stating that I will not put my money where my mouth is. I have a garage and attic full of 914 parts. I regularly give them away to people who need them more than I do. I also buy 914s that otherwise would be scrapped. I have done this twice, and I was going to do it a third time when Jason Fox bought the car before I could. I am glad it went to a good home.
If you don't believe me, ask around... try talking to Perry Kiehl.
As for this thread... I am not going to respond to it anymore. I am angry about the fact that this nice 914 will be cut up for parts. Unfortunately there is nothing I can do about it, other than buy the car. I can afford to do that, but due to work commitments, I cannot get to California to pick the car up.
As for the reason I have not posted, I was way too angry to make any kind of a rational post. So rather than do something stupid, I absented myself from the board.
I need a break. I will be back later, just don't expect to see me on here for a few days.
Oh and Jon... If you reread your first post, you will see how the wording would anger the folks in the rust belt. I suspect that you are not one in person, but that post really made you come across as an asshole.
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 11:52 AM
Please post the link to the mistaken Craigslist ad.
Thanks,
Jon
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 14 2005, 11:58 AM
Can it be driven from west coast to east coast ?
I send you an email as well. 
You should see what I paid $1500 for only 30 days ago
Jim
Posted by: fatlando Jul 14 2005, 11:59 AM
This thread needs to end! I can't get any work done over here....this so beats reality tv! and it's free with no commercials!
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 12:02 PM
| QUOTE (fatlando @ Jul 14 2005, 12:59 PM) |
| This thread needs to end! I can't get any work done over here....this so beats reality tv! and it's free with no commercials! |
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Posted by: Jenny Jul 14 2005, 12:04 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 14 2005, 10:44 AM) |
| Jenny... I am not a liar, and I do not appreciate being called one. If I am wrong about something, I will admit it |
I never called you a liar. I wouldn't have the audacity to be so presumptuous. Go ahead, quote where I called you a liar.
Jen
edit: I don't appreciate you accusing me of calling you a liar.
Posted by: bondo Jul 14 2005, 12:16 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Jul 14 2005, 10:34 AM) |
| Bondo, are you joking? Read Brad's last reply, he's absolutely right. When it's time to move all you can hear are crickets chirping in the distance. Jon |
Hehe, well people over there buy rustbuckets for too much money all the time. I think the crickets chirping problem is mostly from people who already have 914s that just don't want to see one cut up, or from people who need one but don't want to deal with buying sight unseen and shipping. It seems like someone in CA could buy rust free 914s, and ship them to the east coast. Someone could then sell them there, without the sight unseen/shipping problem. So in that sense I wasn't joking...
But for the record, as far as my personal involvement in such a setup, I was joking. I don't have the time or money to start up something like that.
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 14 2005, 12:19 PM
Bondo,
I had cars located and a transporter setup many moons ago to deliver car all across the "rust belt". When it came time to collect money for the cars... NADA. Nothing but bullshit excuses. I had ONE person buy a tub which I hand delivered myself to Indiana.
They piss and moan.. but wont do anything about it. Promise. I have 17 years of info to back this up.
I personally find it VERY easy to bitch about something and do NOTHING about it. The issue is the shipping of the tub. Not the intial purchase. People dont want to pay $1000-2000 for a car and THEN pay another 1k to have it shipped.
B
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 12:25 PM
I think if such a plan were to work it would have to be driven by someone on the east coast who knows the market there and has shipping connections. We don't know the market there apart from what we see on websites. The east coast money man needs a west coast agent he trusts to pick and choose cars for him/her.
This is how it has worked in other situations like with antiques coming to the U.S. from Europe and I think it could work for moving cars east from west, not just 914s.
Just my greedy 2 cents,
Jon
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 12:30 PM
You all East of the Sierras say you never find decent 914's for sale out there.
I found a bunch on CraigsList. Quick Save Them!
Atlanta:
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/car/78755847.html
New York:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/car/83704696.html
Houston:
http://houston.craigslist.org/car/83598684.html
New Hampshire:
http://boston.craigslist.org/car/82634379.html
Washington DC suburbs:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/car/83432884.html
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/car/83740424.html
Fort Lauderdale:
http://miami.craigslist.org/car/76541525.html
Tampa:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/car/78177526.html
http://tampa.craigslist.org/car/77514929.html
Posted by: phantom914 Jul 14 2005, 12:39 PM
Cool. The Ft. Lauderdale car even has the rare six speed. We don't even have those in California.
Andrew
Posted by: bondo Jul 14 2005, 12:43 PM
| QUOTE (phantom914 @ Jul 14 2005, 11:39 AM) |
| Cool. The Ft. Lauderdale car even has the rare six speed. We don't even have those in California. Andrew |
Sure we do.. speed doesn't account for direction, but velocity does... so I guess that means we get to count reverse!
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 12:43 PM
| QUOTE (phantom914 @ Jul 14 2005, 01:39 PM) |
| Cool. The Ft. Lauderdale car even has the rare six speed. We don't even have those in California. Andrew |
OMFG! it's #6!
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 14 2005, 12:52 PM
Can anyone store this car for a few months if someone on the east coast buys it ?
$200000 who can resist.
I really like to fly out and drive it home - but it would need lights at least.
Jim
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 12:54 PM
| QUOTE (jimkelly @ Jul 14 2005, 01:52 PM) |
| Can anyone store this car for a few months if someone on the east coast buys it ? $2000 who can resist. I really like to fly out and drive it home - but it would need lights at least. Jim |
yea Jim!
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 01:04 PM
| QUOTE (jimkelly @ Jul 14 2005, 10:52 AM) |
| Can anyone store this car for a few months if someone on the east coast buys it ? $200000 who can resist. I really like to fly out and drive it home - but it would need lights at least. Jim |
Dude! For $200K I bet Jon could sweet talk his wife into letting him store it a little longer
Heck! I bet he'd even get the lights working for ya
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 14 2005, 01:20 PM
Funny thing - a decimel point is
I dug out my recent credit card statements and to my suprise I found that within both statements were low interest checks specifically designed for buying 914's
If I had a place to hide it from the wife - hum - I mean store it until I can fly out - my excuses would be -- practically -- eliminated.
Jim
Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 14 2005, 01:30 PM
i say end the madness and part the thing out. many more cars and owners will benefit. i see more money in parts, than as a whole car. take the money and run jon.
k
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 14 2005, 01:31 PM
Kevin,
You sound like you speak from experience.
B
Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jul 14 2005, 02:16 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 13 2005, 02:41 PM) |
| I am out of here for a while........... (totally disgusted with this site......) |
Disgusted?
As in someone who lives IN texas and,
who has NEVER met jon, or who has NEVER talked to jon,
yet makes his *opinions* seem like fact, facts that should determine how
jon conducts his life & 914 business????
Clay that same 'free world' that enables you to share your, umm, opinions,
lets jon do whatever the F#ck he wants with THIS/HIS 914
Posted by: anthony Jul 14 2005, 02:22 PM
At the new BIN price, someone please buy it and start showing up at local autocrosses. We need more 914 attendance.
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 14 2005, 02:25 PM
I really need to move out to CA - if I only had marketable skills
I am about to pul the plug but I could easily understand Jon's initial concept of parting out the car as it is worth more in pieces. His car is far from complete - Jon could sure use some visitors with parts and tools in hand 
Can anyone store this bad boy if I buy it?
Jim
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 02:32 PM
Red State vs Blue State interpretation of 'our' Capitalist Democracy?
Jon, you WILL sell this car in one piece for no more than $500 profit for the safety and benefit our fine 914 community.
Don't be a 914 terrorist!
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 02:35 PM
| QUOTE (jimkelly @ Jul 14 2005, 12:25 PM) |
| Can anyone store this bad boy if I buy it? Jim |
I live within 25 miles of Jon.
How long do you need it stored?
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 02:48 PM
If we part this car out then the periodic table will have already won.
Thanks to Gwen for the terrorism bend.
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 14 2005, 03:06 PM
| QUOTE (GTeener @ Jul 14 2005, 12:35 PM) | ||
I live within 25 miles of Jon. How long do you need it stored? |
GTeener - I guess 2 months - thank you for the offer - Jim
I suppose I would like an confirmation the damage does not effect front suspension - maybe Jon could post a few more pics of the damaged area from various angles - and acquire a clear title for it?
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 03:10 PM
a happy ending is in sight!! a good one saved...
I love it when a plan comes together
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 03:18 PM
| QUOTE (jimkelly @ Jul 14 2005, 01:06 PM) | ||||
GTeener - I guess 2 months - thank you for the offer - Jim I suppose I would like an confirmation the damage does not effect front suspension - maybe Jon could post a few more pics of the damaged area from various angles - and acquire a clear title for it? |
Jim, I don't have covered storage but I can put a cover over the car.
I'd be OK with having this car parked at my house for 1-3 months.
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 14 2005, 03:22 PM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jul 14 2005, 01:10 PM) |
| a happy ending is in sight!! a good one saved... I love it when a plan comes together |
....and 10 other 914's sit rusting.
Posted by: Headrage Jul 14 2005, 03:22 PM
There goes my bumper...
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 03:23 PM
The check has to clear first ya'll
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 03:31 PM
| QUOTE (Special_K @ Jul 14 2005, 04:22 PM) | ||
....and 10 other 914's sit rusting. |
if rust-free teeners are falling out of palm trees in Ca, and they are being stacked... I'd BET that someone would be willing to find some important parts, and charge a 'finder's fee' ... like the ones you need and cut that out of a junk-yard teener... and there are still cars being cut up... I'm sure one would have your part, man!
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 14 2005, 03:48 PM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jul 14 2005, 01:31 PM) | ||||
if rust-free teeners are falling out of palm trees in Ca, and they are being stacked... I'd BET that someone would be willing to find some important parts, and charge a 'finder's fee' ... like the ones you need and cut that out of a junk-yard teener... and there are still cars being cut up... I'm sure one would have your part, man! |
Good idea Wayne.....I'll put my add in the classified section (again), and see how many responses I get. I personally don't care if they (the needed parts) come from Jon's 914 or not. He was offering to make the car a donor, so I jumped on the of recipients list.
With the exception of Paul (URY914)
, all of the people that offered up sheetmetal parts, and said "it's yours Kev!", never came through....then completely ignored my PM's.
Posted by: jonwatts Jul 14 2005, 04:32 PM
Hold on to those winning tickets, folks. This isn't over yet.
There are complications. Are you surprised?
Jon
Posted by: Verruckt Jul 14 2005, 04:54 PM
| QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Jul 14 2005, 12:19 PM) |
| I had cars located and a transporter setup many moons ago to deliver car all across the "rust belt". When it came time to collect money for the cars... NADA. Nothing but bullshit excuses. I had ONE person buy a tub which I hand delivered myself to Indiana. B |
Sorry to threadjack...
Brad
when was this?!?!?! Was this before summer of last year? Or before I became a member? I remember some talk about something similar to this, I think it was tad2phreak and a few of us that talked about this.
Oh well, I can't complain, I finally found a car. I'm always a day late and a dollar short.
Posted by: olav Jul 14 2005, 04:57 PM
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Posted by: Mueller Jul 14 2005, 05:15 PM
| QUOTE (jimkelly @ Jul 14 2005, 12:20 PM) |
| Funny thing - a decimel point is I dug out my recent credit card statements and to my suprise I found that within both statements were low interest checks specifically designed for buying 914's If I had a place to hide it from the wife - hum - I mean store it until I can fly out - my excuses would be -- practically -- eliminated. Jim |
you are kidding correct??
you are 2852.6 miles one way....I wouldn't trust a car that has just started up for the 1st time in 3 years to a drive like that...the tires have got to be $hit, the fuel lines full of slime and just hours or minutes away from leaking and spraying fuel all over....
hope you have life insurance and Jon has a good Bill of Sale and Release of Liability
| QUOTE |
| Brad when was this?!?!?! Was this before summer of last year? Or before I became a member? I remember some talk about something similar to this, I think it was tad2phreak and a few of us that talked about this. |
I think he gave up on it at about that time or a little bit before it.....we had like 5 tubs ready to go...a few in great shape, but not able to pass smog on a few of them (at that time you still had to smog '74 chassis)
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Posted by: Mueller Jul 14 2005, 05:22 PM
smart man....getting it transported is good idea.....
oh yea, I'd ask for referances if you can on the transporting companies....a few horror stories have been posted
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On transport, I've done this a LOT recently. Most of the people you call are brokers, and they just have independent contractors actually move the cars around.
I've had excellent luck three times with Kiwi Karriers, who are a broker, in moving three cars up and down CA and from CA to NJ. I had three different contractors actually moving the cars. I've recently dealt with another company (not my idea), and the driver was an incompetent boob who couldn't be trusted to even get the car on and off the trailer safely.
The open transport is, IMHO, plenty sufficient. Most of the places will charge about $900 to move the car from CA to the middle of the country, and about $1500 to move it from CA to the East Coast. Enclosed transport is for garage queens that cost real money (>$20K).
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 14 2005, 05:27 PM
I jus did a quick search on the internet and requested a bunch of quotes from the first auto transport websites that came up. Thanks for the ball park estimates. Jim
here is another.
Door to Door with One Truck…
Your Negotiable Quote: $925.00 Open Trailer
Or Enclosed: $ 1650.00
Please Call for a Live Quote 866-561-4820
We Will Match Any Quote!
Posted by: Mueller Jul 14 2005, 05:31 PM
| QUOTE |
| and the driver was an incompetent boob who couldn't be trusted to even get the car on and off the trailer safely |
yep....my mother-in-law just had a car deliverd here from TX, transporter shows up 2 days late at 1am on a weekday ...she made some new friends on the street that night !!!!!
then proceded to drive the car off the side of the ramp, car had like 20 miles on it and already had $1500 worth of chassis damage before it got into thier garage....
Posted by: GTeener Jul 14 2005, 05:34 PM
What about U-haul?
http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=autotransport
You wanted to drive cross-country right?
Just an idea...
Posted by: boxstr Jul 14 2005, 05:41 PM
I have a car that has been sitting around, it has 33000 miles but it should be okay to cut the front quarter off of.
If someone wants the quarter its yours as long as you repair the car that Jon is offering.
CUTEMDONTDRIVEEM
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Posted by: lapuwali Jul 14 2005, 05:52 PM
| QUOTE (GTeener @ Jul 14 2005, 03:34 PM) |
| What about U-haul? http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=autotransport You wanted to drive cross-country right? Just an idea... |
By the time you rent a car trailer (3000lbs), and a truck hefty enough to tow it and the car, and put gas in it for 2500 miles of driving, you'll find it's cheaper to just pay the transport company to deliver it for you. They split the gas costs across a good number of short to medium runs to make up for the long hauls, and usually carry 2 to 3 cars on each long distance trip.
I just did the math on trying to get the blown-up Jag I was driving from MO to CA...
Posted by: bondo Jul 14 2005, 05:52 PM
I don't know what CptTripps paid or who he went through, but when I dropped off Adobe to be shipped off to Ohio, it went into an enclosed Mayflower trailer. I don't know if it was later transferred to an open or what.
Posted by: ematulac Jul 14 2005, 05:53 PM
| QUOTE (boxstr @ Jul 14 2005, 04:41 PM) |
| I have a car that has been sitting around, it has 33000 miles but it should be okay to cut the front quarter off of. If someone wants the quarter its yours as long as you repair the car that Jon is offering. CUTEMDONTDRIVEEM |
Posted by: lapuwali Jul 14 2005, 05:54 PM
| QUOTE (boxstr @ Jul 14 2005, 03:41 PM) |
| I have a car that has been sitting around, it has 33000 miles but it should be okay to cut the front quarter off of. If someone wants the quarter its yours as long as you repair the car that Jon is offering. CUTEMDONTDRIVEEM |
This is the second time in a few days I've seen a 914 with those ATS/Campagnolo/Daytona style wheels. I've always liked those wheels on Italian cars, and had no idea they ever came in the 4x130mm pattern for VW/Porsche use. Who makes those wheels, and what size are they?
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 14 2005, 06:17 PM
| QUOTE (Verruckt @ Jul 14 2005, 05:54 PM) | ||
Sorry to threadjack... Brad when was this?!?!?! Was this before summer of last year? Or before I became a member? I remember some talk about something similar to this, I think it was tad2phreak and a few of us that talked about this. Oh well, I can't complain, I finally found a car. I'm always a day late and a dollar short. |
about 1.5 years ago, give or take, Brad offered to deliver rust free cars to east coasters... it was an EXTREMELY generous offer, Brad was going to make NO money (or VERY little at best) on the deal and do it on his time... I don't know what happened after that really, but let's just say it was another case of Brad's generosity and passion for P-Cars was met in ungracious manners... I don't know the story... I don't presume to know the story, all I know is that brad wouldn't do it anymore... and I don't blame him, the thing just didn't take off like it should have
Brad, jump in if I forgot anything... I HAVE slepts some since then, and May have forgotten things....
I tried to get with Brad for a friend even... this friend has wanted a 911 for years, and everytime I find him a GOOD 911, it's either too far, too much $$, or, if those 2 excuses fall through, his wife just won't let him (reminds me, can we get a 'PW' smiley?) but as usual my friend backed out... I've quit looking for him one since then... that's another story I basically reached the END with him when I found him a SWEET 87 911, for around 15k... nothing wrong with it... and it was local, and 'his wife wouldn't "let" him'
Posted by: Bruce Allert Jul 14 2005, 07:04 PM
| QUOTE (boxstr @ Jul 14 2005, 04:41 PM) |
| I have a car that has been sitting around, it has 33000 miles but it should be okay to cut the front quarter off of. If someone wants the quarter its yours as long as you repair the car that Jon is offering. CUTEMDONTDRIVEEM |
GAWD Craig! you gotta be doin' that facetious thing again, right?
Yer kill'n me here.
.........b
Posted by: Porsche Rescue Jul 14 2005, 07:14 PM
James, those wheels on the phoenix red car (was once mine, sold it to Craig in order to buy Eric Shea's six) are made by ATS. They are available now and again on Ebay. They seem to sell for about the same price as 2.0 Fuchs. They are 5.5 x 15. Often the center is painted black. I too think they really look good on a 914.
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Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 14 2005, 08:22 PM
ya think there might be some tweeking to the tub? i do believe you should part out that red car craig. so... jon's car for 2 and then shipping you're close to 3 for a TOTAL sitting in the driveway. then FIX it!! jon, make who ever buys it as a "fixer" sign a contract that under no circumstances will it be parted out. in fact, better put on a frame jig first. i sent you a long ramblin' pm brad. hope yours isn't turned off.
k
Posted by: scott thacher Jul 14 2005, 09:24 PM
well i got to work for 18 hours and look what happens
jon the number i came up with of 500 finders fee, i feel is reasonable for what you have in it for towing, getting it running etc. it was not a statement of me saying what you can make on it, it was what "I" felt is fair to you and the buyer. if i could buy decent cars and get them running i would feel for me 500 is fair for a day of work
i am glad you decided to come clean as for what you really paid for it, and clay i am glad you admitted you were wrong. both of you just grew up... now it is my turn... not
jim if you get the car let me know i can come help
and jon again it is very big of you to send the extra money to the po, and if you did part it you probably would be kicking your self for the extra work
now if people need metal that i can get just let me know
Posted by: jimkelly Jul 14 2005, 10:55 PM
I just emailed Jon - I had to pass on the excellent offer. My wife would kill me being the first reason and the damage - although not insurmountable by any means is well beyond anything I have ever contended with. I guess it is best to let Jon get on with it and let everyone get their DIBS - Jim
Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 15 2005, 06:35 AM
buy sawsall blades by the large mutipack at homedespot. i can only imagine there will be 500 pms in jon's in box when the round 1 bell goes DING!!!
k
Posted by: GTeener Jul 15 2005, 10:19 AM
Like it's been said...it taint over till the $$$ is in Jon's bank account
For the record, my 3 month storage offer still stands for anyone east of the Sierras who buys the whole car.
Posted by: SLITS Jul 15 2005, 10:29 AM
Well, let's see......I'm gonna cut up two..a '72 & '73 and maybe a '74 unless I have it towed to the scrap yard.......Do I qualify for the flame war?
I'll cut up a '75 2.0, but I haven't bought it yet.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 15 2005, 11:45 AM
| QUOTE (SLITS @ Jul 15 2005, 11:29 AM) |
| Well, let's see......I'm gonna cut up two..a '72 & '73 and maybe a '74 unless I have it towed to the scrap yard.......Do I qualify for the flame war? I'll cut up a '75 2.0, but I haven't bought it yet. |
are they rust-free runners, start up another threaad and we'll see what we can do
Posted by: Mueller Jul 15 2005, 11:48 AM
| QUOTE (SLITS @ Jul 15 2005, 09:29 AM) |
| Well, let's see......I'm gonna cut up two..a '72 & '73 and maybe a '74 unless I have it towed to the scrap yard.......Do I qualify for the flame war? I'll cut up a '75 2.0, but I haven't bought it yet. |
only if they are repaints with a salvage title and damaged bodywork do people care
Posted by: cooltimes Jul 15 2005, 12:35 PM
Of course what anyone does with their 914 is their own concern but just so many 914's are left and cutting up one that someone could repair and get back on the road is pathetic. Parting one out only adds those pieces to a list of excessive scavanged parts everyone else seems to have in their attics, storage spaces and backyards.
I don't have the money myself, just the 914 passion but a few have expressed their interest. If you truly love the 914 cars, you won't cut it up until that is a last resort. From the photo I saw, this one is far from that condition.
This is just my opinion since this bbs is about one thing only. The 914.
BTW. Clay Perrine said it right. He and others gave me my 1975 914.
It was going to be a junk yard dog but they brought it to me instead. I enjoy it very much.
Thanks all.
http://members.rennlist.com/mikecool/dusty1.jpg
Mike Cooley
Memphis
Posted by: Mueller Jul 15 2005, 12:45 PM
| QUOTE (cooltimes @ Jul 15 2005, 11:35 AM) |
| Of course what anyone does with their 914 is their own concern but just so many 914's are left and cutting up one that someone could repair and get back on the road is pathetic. Parting one out only adds those pieces to a list of excessive scavanged parts everyone else seems to have in their attics, storage spaces and backyards. I don't have the money myself, just the 914 passion but a few have expressed their interest. If you truly love the 914 cars, you won't cut it up until that is a last resort. From the photo I saw, this one is far from that condition. This is just my opinion since this bbs is about one thing only. The 914. BTW. Clay Perrine said it right. He and others gave me my 1975 914. It was going to be a junk yard dog but they brought it to me instead. I enjoy it very much. Thanks all. http://members.rennlist.com/mikecool/dusty1.jpg Mike Cooley Memphis |
Hey Mike, good to see you posting again....
Yes, it would be nice to "save" as many 914's as possible, but I often wonder what happens to them if "saved" for too long
This guy might have had good intentions years ago, but without $$$$ they cannot survive time and nature
Posted by: cooltimes Jul 15 2005, 01:26 PM
From those photos seen, looks like someone must have felt the need to part them out like this thread is about. LOL
BTW. that dash cover you sent me for my 914 looks good. Thanks.
Mike Cooley
Memphis
Posted by: dakotaewing Jul 16 2005, 07:15 AM
Jon,
This is what I need -
Thanks-
Thom
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Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 16 2005, 07:25 AM
what's the deal? wasn't this one locked down? i think a reply i made has been edited out . it wasn't a flame job either. who's the keymaster?
k
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