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Posted by: SirAndy Jul 16 2005, 01:22 PM

so, on my way to the car after a show last night i stop in a dark (and empty) alley to get rid of some of the "water" i had consumed during the show.
while i mind my own business peeing on a fence (that has obviously been used for this kind of thing before), someone puts a flashlight on me.

the cops. great ...

"can i at least finish?" i ask ...
he's cool with that and proceeds to call in for backup.

so now i have this "notice to appear" in court, cop said he didn't know how much it's going to cost me.

now my real question is, i have heard rumors that such an offense ("urinating in public") is treated as "indecent exposure" here in CA and can get you on the states "sex offenders" list.

anyone know for sure if there's any truth to that?
Andy

Posted by: merrill Jul 16 2005, 01:48 PM

I have no idea how much it will cost But I do know that it is up to the officer and how the ticket was written. He wrote you for urinating in public, not indecent exposure which was at his discretion. He could have hit you for both.

Posted by: sj914 Jul 16 2005, 01:54 PM

Hope this helps

"314. Indecent exposure
Every person who willfully and lewdly, either:
1. Exposes his person, or the private parts thereof, in any public place, or in any place where there are present other persons to be offended or annoyed thereby; or,
2. Procures, counsels, or assists any person so to expose himself or take part in any model artist exhibition, or to make any other exhibition of himself to public view, or the view of any number of persons, such as is offensive to decency, or is adapted to excite to vicious or lewd thoughts or acts, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
Every person who violates subdivision 1 of this section after having entered, without consent, an inhabited dwelling house, or trailer coach as defined in Section 635 of the Vehicle Code, or the inhabited portion of any other building, is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison, or in the county jail not exceeding one year. Upon the second and each subsequent conviction under subdivision 1 of this section, or upon a first conviction under subdivision 1 of this section after a previous conviction under Section 288, every person so convicted is guilty of a felony, and is punishable by imprisonment in state prison. "

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 16 2005, 01:54 PM

QUOTE (merrill @ Jul 16 2005, 12:48 PM)

He wrote you for urinating in public, not indecent exposure which was at his discretion.

i see ...

the ticket says "153(a) MPC, urinating in public" ...

is there any way i can look this number up somewhere?
Andy

Posted by: sj914 Jul 16 2005, 01:56 PM

It sounds like they cited you for a municipal violation. Depending on the city it's either an infraction or a misdeameanor.

Posted by: sj914 Jul 16 2005, 01:57 PM

What city were you in?

Posted by: spare time toys Jul 16 2005, 02:01 PM

What was the cop doing there? Did you hear a zipper before the light came on can we get a cop peeing on a fence smiley

Posted by: aircooledboy Jul 16 2005, 02:05 PM

Pretty similar to the law in Illinois. You weren't in a place where you were reasonably likely to be seen by others, so Indecent exposure doesn't really apply. I don't know what MPC stands for, but it is probably a municipal code. If so, your ticket is for an "ordinance violation", which carries the same implications as a parking ticket. Make sure before you resolve it, but if it is an ordinance, it is no big deal.

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 16 2005, 02:05 PM

QUOTE (sj914 @ Jul 16 2005, 12:57 PM)

What city were you in?

Mission District in San Francisco. Mission @ 17th to be exact.

it was well after midnight and the alley was empty.
it's not like there are any public bathrooms in that area either.

just looked at the notice again, he circled "I" so i guess that means Infraction ...

might not be that bad after all.
Andy

Posted by: brer Jul 16 2005, 02:12 PM

go with the free speech defense.

tell them you had just seen a bunch of environmentalists and you felt like expressing your distaste for the earth by urinating on it. Being drunk just made you more inclined to indecent expression of your ideals.

worked for a friend of mine.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 16 2005, 02:13 PM

I hate cities...I have 23 acres of urinial here

Was it just a set fine?

Bring a lawsuit against the city for not providing enough public restrooms...bet the ticket would vanish.

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 16 2005, 02:14 PM

found it:

QUOTE

San Francisco Law: Article 2 Section 153 Prohibit Public Urination and Defecation a. It shall be unlawful for any person to deposit or cause to be deposited any human urine or feces upon any public or private highway or road, including any portion of the right~of-way thereof, or in or upon any private property into or upon which the public is admitted by easement or license, or upon any private property without the consent of the owner, or in or upon any public property other than property designated or set aside for that purpose. b. Penalty. Any person who shall violate the provisions of this Section shall be guilty of an infraction, the penalty for which shall be a fine which shall be not less than $50 nor more than $500.

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 16 2005, 02:20 PM

QUOTE (brer @ Jul 16 2005, 01:12 PM)

Being drunk just made you more inclined to indecent expression of your ideals.

i don't think the "i was drunk" defense is a gud idea ...

after all, the cop asked me how much alcohol i had consumed and i told him "a couple of beers" and let me drive home ...
Andy

PS: just to clarify, i was *not* drunk, i had only 3 or 4 beers starting at 7pm and it was almost 1 am when i got the ticket ...

Posted by: merrill Jul 16 2005, 02:20 PM

Them's peanuts as long as they stay near the minimum $50. That's an expesive rest stop

Posted by: markb Jul 16 2005, 02:27 PM

QUOTE (sj914 @ Jul 16 2005, 11:56 AM)

It sounds like they cited you for a municipal violation. Depending on the city it's either an infraction or a misdeameanor.

Just show up for court if it's a high bail amount on the letter they'll send you, and look properly repentant, and the Judge may lower the bail to a reasonable amount. If it's a low bail amount on the letter, pay the sucker & call it good.

Posted by: SLITS Jul 16 2005, 02:40 PM

Was the address #4 whatever Street?

Posted by: pete-stevers Jul 16 2005, 02:44 PM

cops...hmmm .... why ticket a guy who is not really doing any harm to any one, who is not hanging it out for the world to see, why even waste the paper it takes to write the infraction, is there not more presssing issues to deal with in our society, Canadian or American......why harrass practically inocent citezens, heck when was the last time Arny took a wiz by the road side?
injustice!...... probably a green, green cop

Posted by: cooltimes Jul 16 2005, 02:51 PM

1st, respect the law. They write these laws for a reason beyond the fines.
A good idea is to carry an empty soda pop bottle in the car with you.
When the urge happens, fill it up in your car and later dispose of it properly at home.
No matter the time of day, in 2005 and forward, somebody is probably going to be watching you/me/us/them/all.
My guess is it must be one of those traffic light type cameras that are now being used in all areas of all cities. Not being paranoid. It was in the local paper telling how most major cities in America are using hidden camera to watch public places for signs of terrorism and/or those engaged in any unlawful acts. Some call it spying on the public. How else did they just happen up on you? However, in SF, gmaybe they have a lot of that exposure thing going on and is a good source of continuing revenue.
Could have been worse. Maybe someone who wasn't a policeman.

Mike

Posted by: Travis Neff Jul 16 2005, 03:08 PM

If you have a court date, be respectful and tell them the truth about having to go pee now! and there was no restroom to do so, you did your best to keep out of sight for yourself and for others.

Oh, btw that is a pisser. Someone had to say it.

Posted by: xitspd Jul 16 2005, 03:12 PM

Andy,

Just tell the court that you had to go and found the best place to do it at that moment. There was on other choice. It was a biological phenomenon. If they are not understanding, tell them to

Posted by: larryp Jul 16 2005, 03:23 PM

Gee, I am torn. On one hand, this reminds me of "I was speeding in NJ" thread. But I cannot get the image of those Calvin window stickers out of my head either.

Posted by: kwales Jul 16 2005, 03:25 PM

Tell them you are French and it's OK there,,,,,

Musta been about 10 when we were traveling trough France. Broad daylight and Dad pulled up at the light. I looked out the window at a whole line o' guys peeing on a wall about 10 feet away.

Then I noticed the small trench at the base of the wall.

Yeppers, outdoor urinals for all to enjoy! Only in France!

Ken

Posted by: grantsfo Jul 16 2005, 03:28 PM

Yeah couldnt you go with the cultural differences approach? In Europe we pee in the streets and I had no idea it was illegal.

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Jul 16 2005, 03:44 PM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jul 16 2005, 12:05 PM)

just looked at the notice again, he circled "I" so i guess that means Infraction ...

The "I" means "incision", referring to the procedure they put you through as a penalty ....................................... THEY CUT THE OFFENDING PART OFF! The Cap'n

Posted by: ChrisReale Jul 16 2005, 04:41 PM

well, while you' re at court, tell them to start hanging around Leavenworth and Geary cause all these fucking bums keep shitting in the middle of the sidewalk and smoke crack right after it. Im going to start pissing on them....At 17th and Mission I can think of more useful ways to write a ticket than urinating in public

Posted by: brer Jul 16 2005, 05:26 PM

you could also point out that it is unhealthy to hold urine for an extended period of time, and that you had held it too long already looking for a loo.

Posted by: VegasRacer Jul 16 2005, 05:45 PM

Re-enactment of the crime

the color of the shorts and hair have been changed to protect the innocent


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Posted by: scotty b Jul 16 2005, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (ChrisReale @ Jul 16 2005, 02:41 PM)

well, while you' re at court, tell them to start hanging around Leavenworth and Geary cause all these fucking bums keep shitting in the middle of the sidewalk and smoke crack right after it. Im going to start pissing on them....At 17th and Mission I can think of more useful ways to write a ticket than urinating in public

Take a shit and then smoke crack? These arn't Corona transplants are they?

Posted by: redshift Jul 16 2005, 06:43 PM

QUOTE (VegasRacer @ Jul 16 2005, 07:45 PM)

Re-enactment of the crime the color of the shorts and hair have been changed to protect the innocent

lol

Posted by: DNHunt Jul 16 2005, 07:26 PM

The cop must have been there cause he just finished. That's how Andy knew it had been used for that before.

Dave

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 16 2005, 07:56 PM

Ha ha... just dont tell them you know me. They will hang you for sure.

I was busted for a MIP back in the late 80's (Minor In Possession of alcohol)

A friend picked me up from the hospital (still wearing my hospital bracelit and had all my paperwork on me) and he decides to stop at our local sell to minors conveinence store. We back out and get a block down the street and an umarked car pulls us over. The beer was in the trunk and I was a passenger.. BULLSHIT. I couldnt beleive they wrote me the ticket. I didnt event get out of the car when he went in for the beer Paid a lawyer $125 and never heard from them again.


B

Posted by: Verruckt Jul 16 2005, 09:17 PM

Andy

Be sure and leave the DK shirt and camo shorts at home when you go to court.

Posted by: Michael N Jul 16 2005, 09:31 PM

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Posted by: Mrs. K Jul 16 2005, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (VegasRacer @ Jul 16 2005, 04:45 PM)

Re-enactment of the crime the color of the shorts and hair have been changed to protect the innocent

John, you are hilarious! Where do you find all those animations???

Andy....I work in a Hospital.....want me to send you an
"Emergency Urinal" to keep in the trunk???

Lisa



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Posted by: Bruce Allert Jul 16 2005, 11:06 PM

QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Jul 16 2005, 01:13 PM)

I hate cities...I have 23 acres of urinial here

I hear ya Mark 50 here with trees..... ain't a day go by that I don't

PEE ON'A TREE

..........b

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 17 2005, 07:10 AM

QUOTE (Bruce Allert @ Jul 17 2005, 01:06 AM)

QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Jul 16 2005, 01:13 PM) I hate cities...I have 23 acres of urinial here I hear ya Mark 50 here with trees..... ain't a day go by that I don't PEE ON'A TREE ..........b

Posted by: SLITS Jul 17 2005, 08:18 AM

QUOTE (Bruce Allert @ Jul 16 2005, 10:06 PM)

QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Jul 16 2005, 01:13 PM) I hate cities...I have 23 acres of urinial here I hear ya Mark 50 here with trees..... ain't a day go by that I don't PEE ON'A TREE ..........b

****FLASH****FLASH****419CLUB.COM FLASH****

Deforestation of Boring Orygun has just been solved by UofO Scientists. Based on a tip recieved by email............

Posted by: ! Jul 17 2005, 08:25 AM

I can be a character witness.......when ya get convicted and get 30 days, I'll lead a ceremonial mooning of the judge. I can bring camo shorts but draw the line at the pink mohawk....bunny ears and combat boots I can do....

Posted by: Bruce Allert Jul 17 2005, 08:30 AM

QUOTE (SLITS @ Jul 17 2005, 07:18 AM)

QUOTE (Bruce Allert @ Jul 16 2005, 10:06 PM) QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Jul 16 2005, 01:13 PM) I hate cities...I have 23 acres of urinial here I hear ya Mark 50 here with trees..... ain't a day go by that I don't PEE ON'A TREE ..........b ****FLASH****FLASH****419CLUB.COM FLASH**** Deforestation of Boring Orygun has just been solved by UofO Scientists. Based on a tip recieved by email............

DAMN! if'n I'd'a known dey wuz study'n dat I cood'a safed'm sum muny..... I calls it AGENT YELLOW... wurks fine on dandelions or rather PISS ON

.........b

Posted by: Bruce Allert Jul 17 2005, 08:33 AM

ain't we a bunch... Z, Slits & someone from Boring Orygun talkin 'bout piss'n at 7 in da morning
git a job
Cool

........b

Posted by: ! Jul 17 2005, 08:35 AM

Yep....that's me, cuppa coffee, and gud pee and I'm happy...plus I'm an attention whore....

Posted by: bd1308 Jul 17 2005, 08:37 AM

you're the only one with a moving bathing chick as your avatar

Posted by: scotty b Jul 17 2005, 08:42 AM

Defense #1
" You're honor, if I did in fact urinate in front of officer O'mally, then I'm sure he would be able to pick my weiner out of a lineup correct?"
Defense #2
"You're honor I'd like to present exhibit P"
Defense #3
"You're honor I have a medical condition where I suiddenly without warning find that I MUST urinate with no warning at.........hold on a second (now start to unzip your pants in haste and pee on the bench) See what I mean?"

Posted by: Bruce Allert Jul 17 2005, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (Manfred Z @ Jul 17 2005, 07:35 AM)

...plus I'm an attention whore....

Ya ain't been watchin Jerry Springer lately. The word is HO



........b

Posted by: SLITS Jul 17 2005, 08:45 AM

QUOTE (Bruce Allert @ Jul 17 2005, 07:33 AM)

ain't we a bunch... Z, Slits & someone from Boring Orygun talkin 'bout piss'n at 7 in da morning git a job  B) Cool  :beer1: ........b

Ya need to move farther North to solve the "slug" problem.

Headline in PNW Chronicle.........

TREE PISSER FROM ORYUGUN VOWS ASSISTANCE WITH BANANNA SLUG PROBLEM For years, stepping on a bananna slug in your bare feet has been a disgusting problem. UofW Scientists have been unable to solve this slimy mess. Now a half-breed from Boring, Orygun is touting a complete solution with "Agent Yellow"..................

Posted by: bd1308 Jul 17 2005, 08:53 AM

419club.com is some japanese .NET site with some cool looking XP interface.....seems and feels like a portal.

Posted by: ! Jul 17 2005, 08:55 AM

QUOTE (Bruce Allert @ Jul 17 2005, 06:43 AM)

QUOTE (Manfred Z @ Jul 17 2005, 07:35 AM) ...plus I'm an attention whore.... Ya ain't been watchin Jerry Springer lately. The word is HO ........b

I'm also an immature fuck......but hey....ummmm, what was I talking 'bout?????

Posted by: xitspd Jul 17 2005, 08:56 AM

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Posted by: SLITS Jul 17 2005, 08:57 AM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 17 2005, 07:53 AM)

419club.com is some japanese .NET site with some cool looking XP interface.....seems and feels like a portal.

I'm gonna sue.................

Posted by: xitspd Jul 17 2005, 08:58 AM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 17 2005, 06:53 AM)

419club.com is some japanese .NET site with some cool looking XP interface.....seems and feels like a portal.

It's Chinese....

Posted by: SLITS Jul 17 2005, 09:00 AM

QUOTE (Manfred Z @ Jul 17 2005, 07:55 AM)

QUOTE (Bruce Allert @ Jul 17 2005, 06:43 AM) QUOTE (Manfred Z @ Jul 17 2005, 07:35 AM) ...plus I'm an attention whore.... Ya ain't been watchin Jerry Springer lately. The word is HO ........b I'm also an immature fuck......but hey....ummmm, what was I talking 'bout?????

Brian only stated what we already know......but we accept you anyway

To take your mind off your troubles...piss on this

Posted by: BigDBass Jul 23 2010, 08:40 PM

So I was searching the forum for info on the Valentine 1 radar detector, turning up a thread about Sir Andy's speeding. There I came upon a reference to this 2005 thread about Sir Andy's peeing, and absurdly read through the whole thing. Then I wasted even more time writing this post.

And you just wasted your time reading it.





P.S. Remember to thank your admins for providing a place to learn about their criminal history and to comment on it. And don't pee in public. Or at least try not to get caught.

Posted by: Lennies914 Jul 23 2010, 09:10 PM

Posted by: Lou W Jul 23 2010, 09:45 PM

I think using a old plastic water bottle, then leaving it on the side of the road works too.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 23 2010, 09:50 PM

I'm still peeing on tree's

It's been hot here, so I tell the lad not to pee in the same spot or near the buildings...and mom's flower garden is OK, but not on the vegetable garden.

Posted by: championgt1 Jul 23 2010, 09:51 PM

So what was the final outcome Andy?

Posted by: 1970 Neun vierzehn Jul 23 2010, 09:52 PM

Yur in trouble now, Andy.

Use the "prostate inflammation" pee, er plea.

Posted by: ConeDodger Jul 23 2010, 10:16 PM

In Minnesota in the winter you could use the Free Speech Defense. "I was writing with piss your honor. Protesting the high sales taxes in San Francisco..." Not sure how that would work in SF though... No snow

Posted by: underthetire Jul 23 2010, 10:39 PM

Ya andy, after five years it's time to let the cat out of the bag. And it's a good thing it wasn't the urinating/masturbating in public ticket. You'd be registered now!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Jul 23 2010, 11:34 PM

You were in the very wrong place at the wrong time. Mission from 15th to 24th has always been a bad stretch for all kinds of stuff including, nowadays, gang activity. So you will see a higher police presence and stricter enforcement.

Now add to that, I am not sure if you still have a mohawk and wear cut offs, military boots, etc., (not that there is anything wrong with any of that) but officers aren't going to take the time to get to know you, they tend to operate more on judging the book by the cover, so....

regardless you still will get off with just a fine and that's it because it is a Municipal code and not a penal code violation. If I were you I would just suck it up and pay the ticket. Regardless of how desolate you thought the alley was, it obviously was not as the cop was there. He cut you a break by writing the MPC section and not 314 PC which some cops do.

Next time pee some where else. Really how would you feel if your home or business backed up to that alley and people were always peeing in it? The homeless people have taken this whole thing to a completely insane level as they pee and poop every where and do not care who sees them. Blame the homeless for this one, and correctly so.

And sorry you got a ticket. If they would have spent the time to talk to you I am sure they would have just said zip it and get out of here.

Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 23 2010, 11:50 PM

I'd say the pee in question is a bit past the expiry date and by now the ticket has yellowed a little bit.

Posted by: SLITS Jul 24 2010, 07:01 AM

Naw, the peeps in the Mission District are just drinking it now. It has inflitrated the water table.

Posted by: RobW Jul 24 2010, 07:29 AM

Was the pee Sunflower Yellow, Ravena Green, or some other 914 color? Hopefully not Bahia Red...

Posted by: gothspeed Jul 24 2010, 08:07 AM

SYou should have said ....... "I did not go to a public restroom for fear of George Michael !!!"

Posted by: realred914 Jul 25 2010, 08:40 AM

MPC = Municipal Penal Code

In san fransisco the freak house by the bay, two dudes can fuck each other in public at a gay street fair and the cops trun a blind eye (or join in), so I doubt they would ever prosecute you for indencent exposure, any thing goes in that city.
however the peeing in public is a different "crime" probably just pay a fine. Now if you had bad hair, torn cloths, and stunk like a pile of poop (like many of the cities substance abusing filth that live on the streets that the city seems to encourage,) you would have gotten away scott free. Had you spoken spanish and not produced ID , you probabaly would have been let go (you got to play the sanctuary city card)


anyway looks like you will not be on the sex list. you evidently did not look homeless or like an illegal alien and will simply have to pay a fine.


. tough break!

most citys have the municple penal code on line, look it up


now I cant resist, it is called a PENAL code, good greif!!!
good luck

Posted by: DBCooper Jul 25 2010, 02:27 PM

Boy, right there you managed to weave together every stereotype and misconception that exists. You live in the suburbs, right? Don't get into the city too much? Or do you know all that from actual personal experience?

Posted by: strawman Jul 25 2010, 11:24 PM

I grew up in San Francisco (was there today visiting my folks), and I am proud to call it my hometown. I not easily offended either, but you took it to a level that is totally inappropriate in the Garage. Please take it to the Sandbox or keep it to yourself.

Posted by: underthetire Jul 26 2010, 09:07 AM

Sorry, just had to.

Posted by: realred914 Jul 26 2010, 09:33 AM

every steroetype??? really, every one of them????? I guess you texans dont get out too often.


you ought to see the news, the public nudity, the failed homeless programs, and the lawlessness of the sanctuary city status is legendary.

ever hear of the nude bay to breakers runners getting arrested? of the nude public sex act pervetts getting arrested? basically public nudity/decency is not prosecuted in SF. I am surprised the cops wrote a ticket for peeing. but heck maybe a city leader owned the fence being pee'd on?

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 26 2010, 12:11 PM

Paid the ticket and all is good ...

Andy

Posted by: Cupomeat Jul 26 2010, 12:15 PM

Yeah, but have you rehabilitated yourself?

They'll put you on the group W bench for that sort of thing...

Posted by: Drums66 Jul 26 2010, 12:41 PM

No jive.....you're being followed by the "PEEP" with the cup
(they only come out at night)
P.S. peep freak moving tree violation, don"t get caught!!!