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Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 01:23 PM
I ran across a listing on EBAY Item #224348635275 on a 1974 Porsche 914 with a 1967 911S 2.0L engine installed etc. The 67 911S engine was a sportier 2.0L engine Porsche that put out reportedly 180 hp, with 144 lb torque. Looking at the overall car it looks pretty rough! Looks like someone has put the oil tank in the front compartment and not real sure whats going on in the engine compartment. If someone has the time could they look at this listing and give me your thoughts. I have asked the seller to clearify what’s going on in the engine compartment and some engine numbers, no reply.
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 13 2021, 01:36 PM
total disaster, but worth the money for the parts., SO if you consider that you are purchasing a six cylinder engine and five lug suspension and fuchs wheels, it is worth buying. Who knows about the engine with that turbo charger butched into the car?
I ran across a listing on EBAY Item #224348635275 on a 1974 Porsche 914 with a 1967 911S 2.0L engine installed etc. The 67 911S engine was a sportier 2.0L engine Porsche that put out reportedly 180 hp, with 144 lb torque. Looking at the overall car it looks pretty rough! Looks like someone has put the oil tank in the front compartment and not real sure whats going on in the engine compartment. If someone has the time could they look at this listing and give me your thoughts. I have asked the seller to clearify what’s going on in the engine compartment and some engine numbers, no reply.
Posted by: PlaysWithCars Feb 13 2021, 01:41 PM
Wow. Somebody started quite the science project on that one. Twin turbo charged, "creative" oil circuit and many other things that you just can't tell what they were up to. Looks like they read an engineering book that taught them fins are good for cooling so they put them everywhere they could.
Chassis is a nightmare, looks of indications of serious rust (bubbles at a-pillar, pass side jack point missing, valences barely attached, ...) And what's with the later style bumper on the front? Did someone forward date the front bumper back in the day? Used to happen on 911s. Maybe there were some motivated 914 owners too.
BHCC finds another perfect "candidate for restoration".
Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 13 2021, 01:45 PM
Mechanical fuel injection and Twin Turbos
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Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 13 2021, 01:50 PM
total disaster, but worth the money for the parts., SO if you consider that you are purchasing a six cylinder engine and five lug suspension and fuchs wheels, it is worth buying. Who knows about the engine with that turbo charger butched into the car?
I ran across a listing on EBAY Item #224348635275 on a 1974 Porsche 914 with a 1967 911S 2.0L engine installed etc. The 67 911S engine was a sportier 2.0L engine Porsche that put out reportedly 180 hp, with 144 lb torque. Looking at the overall car it looks pretty rough! Looks like someone has put the oil tank in the front compartment and not real sure whats going on in the engine compartment. If someone has the time could they look at this listing and give me your thoughts. I have asked the seller to clearify what’s going on in the engine compartment and some engine numbers, no reply.
Maybe... engine may be total junk but, if it's a real 2.0 S then the engine is worth the $14.5k. WHAT A FRIGGEN ABORTION THOUGH!!! 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Porsche-914/224348635275?hash=item343c38808b:g:em4AAOSwQpZgHEjZ
Posted by: BillC Feb 13 2021, 02:22 PM
Did you see the seller? Beverly Hills Car Club. So, no surprise it's such an "excellent candidate for restoration".
I have to wonder where they find these "wonderful" examples. They can't all come from the bottom of a lake.
Posted by: gandalf_025 Feb 13 2021, 02:42 PM
Seriously doubt it is a 67 S engine..
Mechanical Fuel Injection wasn't around in a 911
till 1969 as far as I remember.
It could be a 1969 S engine though...
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 02:44 PM
I felt like it was probably worth there asking price for parts but still too many unknowns without seeing this one in person to verify what you were actually buying!
Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 13 2021, 02:53 PM
What's in that package above the trailer hitch? 
Spend 5k more now and get better car. But not one from BHCC.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 03:08 PM
I made contact with a salesman who is suppose to get me more pics and numbers off the engine and more info about the 5 lug conversion etc. and any history on the overall package etc. and if possible the owners name and number to dig deeper into this cars past or direction someone was going with it. I’ve dealt with BHCC once before on a 914 they had which after about 10 minutes talking to the salesman I said thanks but no thanks! They’re not exactly up front with you on everything, imagine that.
Posted by: Jett Feb 13 2021, 03:12 PM
I was good until seeing the trailer hitch 
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 03:34 PM
It seams like there is no history on the car! I’ve asked for someone to find the engine number which is stamped on the nose section of the case below the generator or the other two numbers visible on the left and right halves of the engine case behind the generator stand. The left is the case serial number and the right is the model number of the engine. Starting numbers should be between 750001 - 756195 and 836001 - 837070.
Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 13 2021, 03:35 PM
I was good until seeing the trailer hitch
H&H trailer hitch, My Dads Six had one , the previous owner Towed his MX motorcycle to the track with it....$ 3500 dollar car in 1976
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 03:41 PM
Salesman said the engine reportedly did turn over but wouldn’t start, at least its not locked up!
I doubt very much if they are able to retrieve the engine, case or model numbers. Do we have anyone from the forum that resides down in the LA area to inspect the car?
VIN #4742915460. Not found in the forums data base.
Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 13 2021, 03:54 PM
The Oil Tank is a one year only 1972 911, Too bad they filled in the oil level sender hole..
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 04:09 PM
Good eye....
Posted by: mb911 Feb 13 2021, 04:11 PM
Would it be an aluminum case 2.0?
Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 13 2021, 04:12 PM
Beverly Hills Car Club never saw a POS that in their opinion was not an "excellent candidate for restoration". They should have been partnered up with "Motormeister". Same crap.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 04:18 PM
I believe in 67-68 they were Aluminum cases. If so that could be checked pretty easy with a magnet.
Posted by: mb911 Feb 13 2021, 04:19 PM
I believe in 67-68 they were Aluminum cases. If so that could be checked pretty easy with a magnet.
Well the magnet would not do you any good to determine magnesium vs aluminum
Posted by: mepstein Feb 13 2021, 04:21 PM
I believe in 67-68 they were Aluminum cases. If so that could be checked pretty easy with a magnet.
Magnet?
'68 changed to mag.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 04:24 PM
That’s true....... 
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 04:31 PM
One possibly could check the Fuchs to see what the date code was which I believe in 67 was unique to have Fuchs. Assuming maybe someone took the Fuchs and the engine out of the same donor car!
Posted by: mepstein Feb 13 2021, 04:40 PM
Maybe someone will get lucky but I have a feeling the guys at BHCC know what they have and have priced it accordingly.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 04:45 PM
I would say your probably correct.
Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Feb 13 2021, 05:06 PM
Wow. Somebody started quite the science project on that one. Twin turbo charged, "creative" oil circuit and many other things that you just can't tell what they were up to. Looks like they read an engineering book that taught them fins are good for cooling so they put them everywhere they could.
Chassis is a nightmare, looks of indications of serious rust (bubbles at a-pillar, pass side jack point missing, valences barely attached, ...) And what's with the later style bumper on the front? Did someone forward date the front bumper back in the day? Used to happen on 911s. Maybe there were some motivated 914 owners too.
BHCC finds another perfect "candidate for restoration".
It looks to me like they put the rubber cover from a BUB over the front bumper. I think I see the rubber top of the '74 bumper peeking out in the corners.
Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Feb 13 2021, 05:07 PM
Maybe someone will get lucky but I have a feeling the guys at BHCC know what they have and have priced it accordingly.
Accordingly + 50%?
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 05:16 PM
We’ve several forum members that have chimed in on this 914 with expertise on rebuilding and identifying 911 engines. What are your thoughts or gut feelings? 1) It’s probably not a 67-911 2.0L S engine 2) BHCC probably know exactly what they have just not disclosing it although possibly could be setting themselves up for a lawsuit 3) Don’t have enough information to draw a logical conclusion. What other questions would you be asking?
Posted by: Mike Bellis Feb 13 2021, 05:16 PM
I was good until seeing the trailer hitch
That's the only part on it that I want.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 05:19 PM
Mike if I buy it I will make sure you get the trailer hitch! Semper Fi
Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 13 2021, 05:37 PM
I didn't see a reference to S.. a 67 case is wanted , but needs 2k worth of upgrades for a hot rod.. I have a complete 68 engine for 10500, with webers.
I did sell a no number 64/65 case fore $22,500
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 05:51 PM
It’s amazing what these engines are bringing these days! Unfortunately without further inspection I’m not willing to take that gamble on this 1967 2.0L engine or whatever it actually is. Thanks for the insight of current market values. I will keep your 68 in mind. Thanks
Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 13 2021, 06:21 PM
I believe in 67-68 they were Aluminum cases. If so that could be checked pretty easy with a magnet.
Magnet?
'68 changed to mag.
mid year/ 68 mag .. 68 alum. cases are the best, they accept later chain housings , no mods..
Posted by: stownsen914 Feb 13 2021, 08:40 PM
Why do the underside pics show what looks like a 914/4 crossbar and a deep sump from a type 4? The early 911 aluminum cases don't look like that.
Posted by: bretth Feb 13 2021, 08:40 PM
Maybe it is one of those 500hp 2.1 RSR turbo race 911 motors. More likely another baffling Beverly Hill Billys Clown Car Club special.
Posted by: roblav1 Feb 13 2021, 09:00 PM
I'll take a swag that it's not an aluminum case. First mfi was 1969... and mag case.
Intake valve covers look like sand cast aluminum. Can't tell if mfi intakes are mag or plastic. Horrid hack job... and too bad about that rare oil tank.
If those are real Fuchs, the front struts 3.5" caliper spacing, and the rear 5 lug conversion is correct, I'd give $10k sight unseen.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 13 2021, 09:10 PM
I have a friend in the area that’s suppose to go bye next week and take a look at it for me.
Posted by: PlaysWithCars Feb 14 2021, 01:38 AM
Why do the underside pics show what looks like a 914/4 crossbar and a deep sump from a type 4? The early 911 aluminum cases don't look like that.
Yeah, I scratched my head on that as well and have stared at the pictures for a while and still can't figure it out.
It looks to me like they put the rubber cover from a BUB over the front bumper. I think I see the rubber top of the '74 bumper peeking out in the corners.
Hey, you're right. You can definitely see the early bumper under the edges. The sheet metal screw holding it on is kind of a give away too.
Are those aluminum 911S calipers up front? And it looks like Koni red on the rear shocks.
Looks like a 911 trombone style oil cooler over the tail housing of the transmission.
Wish I lived in the L.A. area. This would be an interesting one to pursue in person.
Posted by: davehg Feb 14 2021, 05:52 AM
The DeTomoso Pantera called. It wants its center console back.
Posted by: stownsen914 Feb 14 2021, 06:27 AM
I'm guessing the engine is a mongrel. If the case matches an early S, it'll be worth something regardless, even more if it turns out to be aluminum. If the MFI is complete, that is worth $$ by itself.
Posted by: ElCee Feb 14 2021, 07:40 AM
Hey,
I wonder if my engine is identical as the one you’ve been talking about?
I bought my 914 in May 1970 with a 4-cylinder engine, later I bought a 1969 6-cylinder MFI (engine no. 6390039) in Germany in 1971 and then put that engine in my 914.
After driving the 914 for about 15 years, the car was stored in around 1985
A few years ago I took it out again, completely disassembled it and had it sandblasted.
Lately I have been busy welding in new sheet metal, putting in some new parts and I have been hoping to start driving the 914 again within a few years.
But reading this thread, I’ve started wondering: If my engine is really worth that much, wouldn't I be better off selling this engine and installing a 4-cylinder or a even a cheaper 6-cylinder?
ElCee
Posted by: Tdskip Feb 14 2021, 08:57 AM
I made contact with a salesman who is suppose to get me more pics and numbers off the engine and more info about the 5 lug conversion etc. and any history on the overall package etc. and if possible the owners name and number to dig deeper into this cars past or direction someone was going with it. I’ve dealt with BHCC once before on a 914 they had which after about 10 minutes talking to the salesman I said thanks but no thanks! They’re not exactly up front with you on everything, imagine that.
While I firmly believe BHCC gets a bad rap you HAVE to go see their cars in person and know what you are buying. I’d never buy from them remotely and you have to accept full responsibility for any due diligence required.
It is highly unlikely they will have any real history or contact info for you.
I’d suggest thay is not the not the sort of car to buy from them.
Posted by: Tdskip Feb 14 2021, 08:58 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20449 - drive it an enjoy it.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 14 2021, 09:19 AM
The only partial numbers I’ve received they said they got off the bottom of the engine was HA 21 02.....not clear about last two numbers given. They also advised they have no contact info of previous owner or history.
Posted by: Tdskip Feb 14 2021, 09:45 AM
The only partial numbers I’ve received they said they got off the bottom of the engine was HA 21 02.....not clear about last two numbers given. They also advised they have no contact info of previous owner or history.
Unless you personally, or someone who really knows these cars and 911 goes in person, you’re kind of just setting yourself up to be disappointed or wasting time. As a interesting topic to discuss no worries but please heed the comments above if you’re serious about the car.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 14 2021, 10:11 AM
The wheels appear to be flat 6s '72>
The front struts look like Hydropneumatics which are unusual '72 era
They are 911S/early930 front calipers '69s - '77 930
Oil tank '72 only
MFI '69-'73
I do see an 'eyebrow' on one intake valve cover spark plug hole .....early sandcast or
SC pressure cast ?
With all of that plumbing on top it would be very hard to see the engine
identification or serial number. That MUST be determined.
It's almost possible to make out three ribs on the front of a sand cast alloy
engine case from below. Maybe not.
Early aluminum case and MFI don't usually happen together.
Homebrew engine conglameration ? Possible scrounged parts from a '72 E ?
What a mystery.
That motor mount !!!! That plumbing !!!!
For the right price it could very interesting. Sand cast engine or '72 E ? Both are
plusses.
A lot of junk to remove too.
Posted by: PlaysWithCars Feb 14 2021, 10:30 AM
I was thinking 72 donor car except the the MFI stacks are mag not plastic. So, the whole thing at least is not 72.
The numbers off of the top of the MFI pump and stack castings may be more accessible and could provide some clues. Although only directional information as they too can be modified. But it would help set a value as a parts car. If they have S numbers on them it increases value and starts to corroborate the claim that it's an S motor.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 14 2021, 11:23 AM
Thanks for all the insight, time will unravel the mystery behind this 914 rather it turns out to be a lost treasure or a overpriced gem!
Posted by: gereed75 Feb 14 2021, 11:39 AM
Wow. As unlikely as it first seems, this appears to be a twin turbo plumbed into MFI throttle bodies. I think that those two heat sinks stuck on the top of the air filter block off plates are some sort of effort at inter cooling. This is consistent with what appears to be a similar heat sink stuck on the oil drain plate under the engine.
Is that radiator cap plumbed into the intake “manifold” intended to be some sort of blow off valve!?!?
Again I say wow! The twists and turns created by the inexplicable human mind are indeed incredible. As wacky as all this is, it took serious effort. It was not just imagined, it was built, with serious intent, however misguided!
For someone so inclined, it appears to be worth the ask in parts - and the adventure in unraveling the mysteries.
I wonder if it ever ran?.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 14 2021, 01:25 PM
Maybe the friggin twin turbos overwhelmed the mere mortal engine below ?
Posted by: gereed75 Feb 14 2021, 03:20 PM
So what is the thought process that is capable enough to understand/fab/figure out the whole twin turbo/induction/injection/oiling scheme but over the months of finding the engine, mounting it, fitting the turbos etc etc etc that never says “this is a piece of crap, WTF am I doing!?”
Amazing!
My guess is it did run. It is unlikely that you would fabricate/attach a trailer hitch to a car that didn’t run. Hell for all we know it may have run well - wouldn’t that be a kick in the ass!
Sorta of like the Back to the Future Delorean. Maybe that is a flux capacitor hanging off the back of the trans.
Really like the rear shock tower strut brace. Looks likely to be some 1” conduit. What do you have to be smoking to come up with that? And then actually weld it in!
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 14 2021, 05:01 PM
American/German Engineering - the many roads it travels.
Posted by: Shivers Feb 14 2021, 07:32 PM
Bottom of the car makes me think it was stolen. I'd want to turn the engine through at least a few times. I think the guy was a plumber.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 14 2021, 08:06 PM
Bottom of the car makes me think it was stolen. I'd want to turn the engine through at least a few times. I think the guy was a plumber.
a plumber with no pride
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 15 2021, 08:26 PM
Well today I got back with the salesman at BHCC (Jesse) who advised they searched for the Engine Stamping number on the engine at the lower section of the fan area and it appeared the numbers had been removed or broken off! He advised the engine did not run and wasn’t sure it would turn over anymore.
Based on this new information I’m bowing out on this adventure, I don’t have enough positive information to pursue further interest!
Thanks again for all the input/suggestions.
Posted by: fixer34 Feb 15 2021, 09:25 PM
I'm not in the market, but we almost gotta get someone to put eyeballs on this 'thing'. If for nothing else but to help with some of the speculation.
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 15 2021, 09:47 PM
I’m surprised someone on the forum doesn’t recognize this car. The guy at BHCC wouldn’t disclose where they purchased the car from. Rather it was previously owned by a California native or not.
Probably have to track the previous owner down through DMV (vin number) which it appears would be the best bet on knowing the history of the drivetrain!
Good luck with dealing with BHCC.
It may sell on Ebay.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 16 2021, 08:09 AM
I see the interior has been pulled away from the bulkhead.
I wonder if they poked a hole there to get a view of the engine serial #
and engine type #
Hmmmm.
Posted by: Rav914 Feb 16 2021, 09:05 AM
I'd be afraid it was a Motormeister "rebuild". It may be a '67 or a '69 S case, but what's inside?
Posted by: 9144me2enjoy Feb 17 2021, 12:17 AM
FYI: The salesman advised me again today that his techs could not come up with a engine number but with the model number they determined the engine size (901/05).
Also I asked if he could at least tell me if it has a California title, he replied today that it did and it appears the title was issued to the owner in 1/08/80. So the previous owner obviously had the 74 Porsche 914 body/chassis in his possession for some time. Unknown when the conversion was done.
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