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Posted by: flmont Feb 20 2021, 10:43 PM

I cant find a smaller Air intake,So I cant install my EG33 without cutting the Bulkhead,.I need about a 1.5" inboard and I then intend to use the Maddog -6 mount and bolt to the bulkhead,.Is this a reasonable path to take I've tried pounding in the bulkhead...its just not deep enoungh.Attached Image

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 21 2021, 05:32 AM

I would try to move it back first. thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif more photos would help.

If you have to move it forward here is what I did. I went back 2" first by relocating the transaxle mounts then rebuilt the forward bulkhead/firewall.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=7725&hl=

Posted by: Superhawk996 Feb 21 2021, 09:17 AM

I think I see the problem. . . . wrong engine in the car. happy11.gif

Posted by: tygaboy Feb 21 2021, 09:19 AM

Couldn't you slice the snorkel off the side of that air box and modify it (or make something else) so it comes out the top then heads rearwards and lives under the engine lid grill? It'd put your intake in a better place to pick up cold air.

Just my $.02,but if you can cut up your bulkhead, I'm betting you'd be able to fab up something that solves this issue.

There are also these cobra head elbows that could maybe help?

https://www.intakehoses.com/cobra-head-elbows.html


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Posted by: 76-914 Feb 21 2021, 09:43 AM

Frank, I sent you a PM. Kent

Posted by: mgp4591 Feb 21 2021, 10:53 AM

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I cant find a smaller Air intake,So I cant install my EG33 without cutting the Bulkhead,.I need about a 1.5" inboard and I then intend to use the Maddog -6 mount and bolt to the bulkhead,.Is this a reasonable path to take I've tried pounding in the bulkhead...its just not deep enoungh.Attached Image

How far back does Chris H have his engine? I know he's using a cradle but there's gotta be a way that you can move things around. How are your axles lining up?

Posted by: Chris914n6 Feb 21 2021, 12:49 PM

2 180* mandrel bends or silicone hoses and relocate the box over the engine.

I'd move the engine back an inch or two before I'd cut firewall. The axles don't need to line up vertically. The CV angles just need to stay in spec during full susp travel.

V8 swaps move the trans back 1.5". My Nissan swap moved the trans forward 1.5". Not a problem.

Posted by: Literati914 Feb 21 2021, 02:58 PM

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I have the same engine (though it needs some essential pieces to make complete/considering parting it).

The intake can be turned around, to put the snorkel on the other end, have you considered that?


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Posted by: mgp4591 Feb 21 2021, 03:13 PM

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I have the same engine (though it needs some essential pieces to make complete/considering parting it).

The intake can be turned around, to put the snorkel on the other end, have you considered that?


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Then you end up cutting the rear bulkhead going into the trunk. That's why Frank turned around the upper manifold to begin with so there's no cutting involved.

Posted by: 914forme Feb 21 2021, 04:59 PM

If you have to cut it to make it work, flip it to the passenger side, cut it there, and put the filter over there where the battery traditionally goes.

Then if you need to add a bit of sheet metal to the area, you can, and it only gets into your passengers seating area. I need my seat all the way back in my 914s. My passengers are normally compact than I.

You could also cut the tube and use a silicone tube to fit and then make your transition to the Air tube.

Or fabricate an new TB opening duct, and make it fit a bit better.

Another option is cut a notch in the duct and plastic weld a notch in it. Or find a section of plastic tube from another intake that goes oolong to allow the same area of airflow to pass thru, and plastic weld it up and in.

This is after the MAF so it will need to be sealed.

For east=y no car cutting method you can do at home.

I thought about making one out of carbon or fiberglass fiber prepreg tape. make the piece out of foam, wrap it in plastic tape, wrap the prepreg around my now buck, and you can clean it up if you want or leave it. Pretty easy and comes in all sorts of neon colors or white if you want. https://youtu.be/7rS7in5COiw

Use foam as it is easier than doing this in metal tubing and then doing like they did in the video. Foam you can jut bust it out in pieces to get it out of the tube.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Feb 21 2021, 06:32 PM

You could always take the manifold off and machine off a little bit of the throttle body mounting flange. From the looks of it in that picture, that would give you the clearance you need.


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Posted by: flmont Feb 22 2021, 10:16 AM

Tygaboy..Iam trying to post a Pic of my inlet tube..for some reason It wont post,..Yet,.BUt I have about 4 hoses Iam susppose to connect to it and Iam not sure which ones I need or dont need ..Thats why I want to use stock parts for now if I can,.

MGP4591 ChrisH,..used a subaru transmisson Iam using the 901,.From Kent (Still thanking Kent for that generous sale).

Chris914N6,..I have heard that is ok to do and I may very well end up doung that,.Iam just very stubboran about that,.simply because I dont really know how to set that up,.I do have the Hyb.Renegades tranny blocks but seem's a little wonkie to install a tranny that way ( iam sure Iam wrong ) I may very well mis understand how Iam suppose to do it !

As soon as I figure out why I cant post pics..I will add them ASAP

Thanks Guy's really Appreciate the advise ! Frank

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 22 2021, 03:43 PM

I'm running mine flipped the other way. It's a tight fit but works better on that side. You do have to move the battery somewhere else.

This guy made some pretty major mods to his intake:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=640575&start=40

This guy shaved his down a bit and shortened the rubber tubes that connect to the throttle body (see page 2). I did this as well but not as much. Just remember you only have ONE shot if you do this so be conservative.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=222760&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=svx+throttle+body&start=20

BTW you do need to use all 4 hoses connected to the intake. 2 are connected to the heads for pressure balancing, the other two are for the IAC valve/warmup circuit.

Here's a pic of a really cool custom intake...if only I had the welding skills.

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Posted by: flmont Feb 22 2021, 05:05 PM

Thanks Chris H....I thought about doing that then fiber glassing the back, But, I always thought that the intake was built that way for the max air volume So I was afraid to cut into it incase the engine would not run correctly be cause it wasn't getting the correct amount of air flow at WOT,..if you guys think there's no problem with that then,.I'll wack the back off that intake..LOL

Posted by: flmont Feb 22 2021, 05:07 PM

and yes Clay maybe I could get a little bit more if I get it machined..

Posted by: flmont Feb 22 2021, 05:48 PM

Literati914...what parts are you missing ?

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 22 2021, 07:08 PM

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Thanks Chris H....I thought about doing that then fiber glassing the back, But, I always thought that the intake was built that way for the max air volume So I was afraid to cut into it incase the engine would not run correctly be cause it wasn't getting the correct amount of air flow at WOT,..if you guys think there's no problem with that then,.I'll wack the back off that intake..LOL


Either whack the back off or look at the second link in my post for the other method. Basically what Clay was saying, you trim the throttle body and the snorkel tubes rather than the back. Wouldn't worry about max air flow too much, the Vanagon guys alter their intakes or use smaller ones pretty regularly.

Posted by: 914forme Feb 22 2021, 07:31 PM

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Here's a pic of a really cool custom intake...if only I had the welding skills.

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Turbo setup, flow will be a bit whack.

Get yourself a plastic welder and be done.

Easier to fix plastic than it is to machine an intake or throttle bodies for you at home.

But I guess you can do your first year of apprenticeship like my Father in-law did in Germany to become a machinist. Year One you did everything with a hand file, and learned how each metal reacted.

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 22 2021, 08:09 PM

Yeah the main pipe would need to be fatter but the design is cool. Rocky Mountain Westy made a nice intake but it was $350. I don’t think they are making it any more.

https://www.vancafe.com/SVX-VANAGON-INTAKE-BOX-p/svx-intbox.htm


Posted by: Literati914 Feb 23 2021, 12:19 AM

QUOTE(flmont @ Feb 22 2021, 05:48 PM) *

Literati914...what parts are you missing ?


Well, to start.. I need the Cam Sprocket for the RH side (passengers) and a Crank Pulley.

next, would be - most of the timing belt housings.

Anyone got this stuff?


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Posted by: Chris914n6 Feb 24 2021, 02:24 PM

Happened to have the wheel off and thought of you....

It's double stacked for the intake manifold to clear the truck wall.

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