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Posted by: maf914 Feb 26 2021, 03:57 PM
I just received the Mar/Apr 2021 issue of Vintage Motorsport magazine. In it is an article about Al Holbert and a photo of an ex-Peter Gregg 914 he raced in SCCA C Production in 71 and 72. I had never read that he started driving in a 914. Is anyone familiar with this?
Here is a scan of the page with the photo. (Disregard the edge of my hand pressing down the page. 
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Posted by: gms Feb 26 2021, 04:29 PM
yup
Posted by: gms Feb 26 2021, 04:36 PM
1971 ARRC Results
Posted by: gms Feb 26 2021, 04:40 PM
Posted by: gms Feb 26 2021, 04:41 PM
Posted by: mgphoto Feb 26 2021, 04:47 PM
There have been several models made of that car, a Revell 1/25 and a few 1/43rds.
https://www.mamodels.com/shop/sports-cars/porsche-914-holbert-scca-1972-car-14-built-only-available/
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 26 2021, 05:06 PM
Love these old pics of this car, Glenn!
Posted by: gms Feb 26 2021, 05:19 PM
1972 ARRC Results
Posted by: ctc911ctc Feb 26 2021, 05:24 PM
I recall reading the NTSB report on his AeroStar wreck. Short version is the door popped open, no big deal.......just land the plane
However, he reached out to grab the door at 150kts+ - natural reaction.....this did not end well.
Posted by: Bleyseng Feb 26 2021, 05:43 PM
Is this the car Paul Neuman crashed?
Posted by: gms Feb 27 2021, 08:12 AM
Is this the car Paul Neuman crashed?
No that was a brumos gt replica
Posted by: GregAmy Feb 27 2021, 08:36 AM
A lot of people did that, sadly.
Edit: I have a couple hours in an Aerostar; a buddy owned one. A bit noisy with the props RIGHT THERE, but a very cool airplane, I enjoyed flying it. Reason I bring it up: when my buddy put me in the left seat we were doing some power-off cockpit familiarization discussions. He said, "I want you to do something for me: open the window" so I did. Then he said "reach up to close the window, but I want you to move your arm backwards when you do it to simulate cruising speed winds" so I did. Then he said, "look back where your hand is" and I swear my face turned white as a ghost.
I recall that the airplane was seen flying eratically and the pilot highly stressed on the radio. DId they ever actually confirm a related arm injury?
Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 27 2021, 07:43 PM
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Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 28 2021, 09:53 AM
Holbert Family lives on..
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=341680&st=0
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Posted by: davesprinkle Feb 28 2021, 11:01 PM
A lot of people did that, sadly.
Edit: I have a couple hours in an Aerostar; a buddy owned one. A bit noisy with the props RIGHT THERE, but a very cool airplane, I enjoyed flying it. Reason I bring it up: when my buddy put me in the left seat we were doing some power-off cockpit familiarization discussions. He said, "I want you to do something for me: open the window" so I did. Then he said "reach up to close the window, but I want you to move your arm backwards when you do it to simulate cruising speed winds" so I did. Then he said, "look back where your hand is" and I swear my face turned white as a ghost.
I recall that the airplane was seen flying eratically and the pilot highly stressed on the radio. DId they ever actually confirm a related arm injury?
I read the NTSB report. There was no mention of an arm injury.
I suspect the severed arm rumor is wrong.
Posted by: ctc911ctc Mar 1 2021, 09:06 AM
In the old days (pre 2000) the reports are very short, here is what is published. There are folders with notes diagrams, etc. that can be requested.
https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20001213X26788&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=FA
A lot of people did that, sadly.
Edit: I have a couple hours in an Aerostar; a buddy owned one. A bit noisy with the props RIGHT THERE, but a very cool airplane, I enjoyed flying it. Reason I bring it up: when my buddy put me in the left seat we were doing some power-off cockpit familiarization discussions. He said, "I want you to do something for me: open the window" so I did. Then he said "reach up to close the window, but I want you to move your arm backwards when you do it to simulate cruising speed winds" so I did. Then he said, "look back where your hand is" and I swear my face turned white as a ghost.
I recall that the airplane was seen flying eratically and the pilot highly stressed on the radio. DId they ever actually confirm a related arm injury?
I read the NTSB report. There was no mention of an arm injury.
I suspect the severed arm rumor is wrong.
Posted by: stownsen914 Mar 1 2021, 04:43 PM
In the old days (pre 2000) the reports are very short, here is what is published. There are folders with notes diagrams, etc. that can be requested.
https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20001213X26788&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=FA
When I read this thread the other day, I got curious and googled around. I had previously heard about the cockpit door being an issue, but not about the arm. I found some speculation about arm injury but nothing seemed to confirm it. Seems the door being open either caused an aero disruption and/or a distraction significant enough to cause loss of control
Posted by: GregAmy Mar 1 2021, 07:30 PM
Clear weather but an IFR departure, at night. Dark horizon? Rotation is a busy time, pitch for climb, set the airspeed, gear and flaps up, re-configure the airplane for cruise climb, contact Approach...
...and a door next to your head pops open. Big air and big engine noise, confusion as to what in the hell is going on, wondering what's wrong and how to fix it...then maybe trying to resolve the situation, all while only hundreds of feet above the ground...pitching back too far while doing it, losing airspeed...descending to blue line and a wing rolls over....
End of data.
It's not a situation I would have wanted to be in.
I was trained by good people. They would throw all kinds of distractions at me, then scream "IGNORE THAT! FLY THE F(riendly) AIRPLANE!!!".
Posted by: 9146GUY Mar 2 2021, 01:20 PM
He was leaving Don Scott Field, the Ohio State airport, when it happened. The Columbus 500 was in town and he was leaving to go somewhere as I remember.
Big loss way to soon.
Posted by: 9146GUY Mar 2 2021, 01:22 PM
Also Glenn, do you have a copy of the 1970 Runoff results?
Steve
Posted by: maf914 Mar 2 2021, 05:31 PM
I found some of the SCCA Runoff results. See Reference 3 at the bottom of the page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCCA_National_Championship_Runoffs
The link has results, but I don't know if they are complete. Look at the names in the C-production and A-production classes.
http://www.virhistory.com/cars/arrc/index.htm
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Posted by: GregAmy Mar 2 2021, 05:52 PM
SCCA has uploaded the Runoffs archives into a searchable database:
https://www.crbscca.com/public/runoffs/archiveReporting/
Search by driver name, class, year, etc. Later years even have qually times and fast laps.
Posted by: gms Mar 2 2021, 06:32 PM
Also Glenn, do you have a copy of the 1970 Runoff results?
Steve
Steve (9146GUY) you raced one of the Ginther Roadsters, it was one of the Art Bunker cars right?
Posted by: 9146GUY Mar 2 2021, 07:00 PM
It was the Hindson car. That's why I was interested in those results.
I found out that it was repaired, a windshield was put back on the car and it returned to street use. It may be in Calif.
Posted by: gms Mar 3 2021, 08:18 AM
It was the Hindson car. That's why I was interested in those results.
I found out that it was repaired, a windshield was put back on the car and it returned to street use. It may be in Calif.
There is a 914/6 that is suppose to be one of the KC roadsters, I think Tom Shaughnessy owns it. The second KC car was totaled by Stefan Edlis
Steve I thought you sold your roadster to Edlis?
Posted by: 9146GUY Mar 3 2021, 02:18 PM
Glenn...
The Runoffs were the culmination of those cars in the SCCA C Prod class.
Two cars from the west coast, Alan Johnson & EFR.
Two Cars from the Midwest Division, Kendall Noah & Bob Hindson
Two cars from the Southeast Division, Peter Gregg and Pete Harrison
Two cars from the Central Division, Chuck Deitrich & Bill Stroh
I don't know where Steve Behr was from.
I bought Hindson's car and I know it was his car because under the PORSCHE sticker on the rear quarters was the name Hindson. I raced it for a couple of years and then sold it to guy locally in the central Ohio area. He raced it a couple of times and I believe rolled it at Meadowbrook in Michigan. I was talking to a guy last year at a Porsche event and he related that he bought the car from who I sold it to and proceeded to put a windshield back on it and drove it on the street. Then he thinks he sold it to someone who took it to California.
Would love to know if it really is on the west coast and on the street. It would be worth more as the race car that it was.
Posted by: racerbvd Mar 3 2021, 08:27 PM
Is this the car Paul Neuman crashed?
Posted by: gms Mar 3 2021, 09:34 PM
This is the car that is said to be the Hindson 914/6
Posted by: gms Mar 3 2021, 09:38 PM
the Steve Behr was not a roadster and I believe it was the orange car Ralph Meaney turn into a GT 1971. Behr was from NJ
Posted by: mepstein Mar 3 2021, 09:50 PM
Bob Russo was the crew chief for the Holbert 962 race team. He always talks very fondly of Al Holbert.
Posted by: racerbvd Mar 4 2021, 04:29 PM
This is on an old Brumos poster I have on the wall.
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