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Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 1 2021, 04:10 PM
Group Buy ending in less than 1 week!
I have heard nothing but great things about this aftermarket distributor. I won't be part or this group buy, because I already purchased one a few weeks ago for my Ljet. While speaking with Ed at 123ignition, I told him that it might be good time to set up a group buy for the month of March, to help get our 914's running better for summer driving 
Ed told me: 1-5 people will get 5% off. 6-10 people, would be 10% off. 11+ people, is 10% off and free shipping within the US. Pretty sure Ed said that if we get 1000 people, he would fly out to each of our houses and personally install the new dizzy himself! (kidding)
Group Buy 3/1/2021 thru 3/31/2021
Coupon code: 914world21
Please order using this site: 123ignitionusa.com
I borrowed some links from the last group buy (thanks Rob)! Ed mentioned that the Djet version dizzy still does not have the bluetooth function.
* https://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-vw-4-cyl-w-d-jet-bluetooth-programmable-includes-spacer/
1.https://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-912-914-356-vw-411e-412e-1600e-123ignition-distributor-switched-w-o-vacuum-includes-spacer/ Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.
2.https://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-912-914-356-vw-411e-412e-1600e-123ignition-distributor-switched-with-vacuum-includes-spacer/ Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.
3. https://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-with-d-jet-912-914-356-vw-411e-412e-1600e-type-3-4-123ignition-distributor-switched-w-bosch-d-jetronic-includes-spacer/ This is the unit to choose for stock D-Jet users.
4. https://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-vw-4-cyl-engine-distributor-bluetooth-programmable-naturally-aspirated-w-spacer/ This is the best unit for carbs, L-Jet, aftermarket FI
5. https://123ignitionusa.com/vw-4-cyl-engines-pc-programmable-naturally-aspirated-w-spacer-cable-sold-separate/ Will work with engines that have carbs, L-Jet or aftermarket FI. Will not work with D-Jet.
This group buy will also apply for other engines such as the 911 six cylinders. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wZ2xj6SAfI
Posted by: burlybryan Mar 1 2021, 06:12 PM
Great job setting this up. Been planning on upgrading from my 20 year old MSD. I'll be in.
Posted by: Morph914 Mar 1 2021, 06:19 PM
Rats!!! I just purchased one last month. Oh well, win some, loose some.
Looking forward to getting it installed here very soon.
Cheers,
John
Posted by: mb911 Mar 1 2021, 06:22 PM
I bought this setup last year for my -6 and hope to put some miles on it this year. I have to also play with curves but its pretty cool setup.
Posted by: VaccaRabite Mar 1 2021, 06:47 PM
I have set these up on a 914 before. Its easy and they work really well.
I don't have one on my 914 since I am crank fired. But I do have one for my 2002.
I highly recommend getting one. I've not seem them on 1.8 cars, but I have set them up for DJet motors and carbed cars.
Zach
Posted by: BillC Mar 1 2021, 07:20 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8154
Thank you very much for setting this up! I've been planning to get one of these for my "new" 914 -- put one on my previous 914, and was very happy with it.
How are the discounts going to work? After the sixth person orders, do the first five get a refund/credit? Or, is Ed going to hold all the orders until the end of the month and just charge the appropriate amount at that time?
Posted by: Sycolyst Mar 1 2021, 08:02 PM
Perfect timing...I'm in. I was planning to purchase in the next two weeks so the timing is good. Going with the carbureted bluetooth version for my 2056 build.
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 1 2021, 08:13 PM
Great question, I'm somewhat fuzzy on how Ed will handle these discounts. I reached out to him, hopefully he chimes in soon.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 1 2021, 08:42 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=8154
Thank you very much for setting this up! I've been planning to get one of these for my "new" 914 -- put one on my previous 914, and was very happy with it.
How are the discounts going to work? After the sixth person orders, do the first five get a refund/credit? Or, is Ed going to hold all the orders until the end of the month and just charge the appropriate amount at that time?
Unlike the last GB, for this one, orders will be shipped on a first come first serve basis.
The first six will be refunded when number hits 6 and the code will be changed to reflect 10% discount. If the GB hits 10 then the free shipping will kick in and refunds will be issued. All went well the last time. I try to be as transparent as possible. Thanks for your support.
I would like to mention that the PC programmable units are few only because of demand being so low. So if any order the TUNE it will no doubt be a wait.
That is not the case with the Bluetooth TUNE+ or the switched models including the D-Jet.
Ed
Posted by: Robarabian Mar 2 2021, 09:23 AM
I have one for my 4 and one for the pending 6. Anyone done a thread from start to finish setup? Or is it that easy this is a dumb question? (I have not opened the packages yet)
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 2 2021, 04:44 PM
I have one for my 4 and one for the pending 6. Anyone done a thread from start to finish setup? Or is it that easy this is a dumb question? (I have not opened the packages yet)
I don't think it's all that bad, however I haven't done mine yet either. I think the most difficult part would be finding TDC on the impeller and or pushing the distributor down. From what I have read is that the dizzy's Oring may fight you. Overall, it should be somewhat easy.
Posted by: Rand Mar 2 2021, 08:08 PM
We have been through this. I think it's pretty clear the 123 is superior.
Do we have to go through this again?
Better yet, show us. SHOW US your better curves.
Your awesomeness here:
Posted by: 72914wrx Mar 2 2021, 10:32 PM
I’m in !
Posted by: Highland Mar 7 2021, 05:04 PM
Just wondering if the 123 ignition might help with a hunting idle?
Looking for any actual experience with a 2.0 d jet configuration.
I know it's somewhat of a crap shoot, but if I buy one I want to make sure I'm not totally going in the wrong direction.
Posted by: StratPlayer Mar 7 2021, 08:37 PM
I will be selling my 123 dizzy for a DJet soon. Installing a modern EFI shortly, will have a lot of D Jet parts to offer
Posted by: mate914 Mar 8 2021, 08:08 AM
What happens if you have the bluetooth+ and you use the immobilizer to lock your $80000 car and you loose(stolen) your phone? Is there a backup way of unlocking it?
Can the vacuum be disabled if not wanted?
Matt
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 8 2021, 12:16 PM
What happens if you have the bluetooth+ and you use the immobilizer to lock your $80000 car and you loose(stolen) your phone? Is there a backup way of unlocking it?
Can the vacuum be disabled if not wanted?
Matt
Hi Matt
Both good questions.
For question one follow the reset instructions.
To Reset:
- Shut down the Apps on all devices! and disable Bluetooth on phone and tablet. (very important)
- Shut off the ignition key
- Connect the black wire of the ignition to the red wire ( + of the coil ), At this point there is no power on the Red/Black wire.
- Turn ON the ignition key ( red and black wire are both powered by 12 Volt now ) Note: this can take as much as 30 seconds. Don't hurry it.
- The blue LED will flash for about 10 seconds.
- After the reset procedure is finished the blue LED will turn constantly ON.
- Turn OFF the ignition key, and wire everything back to normal.
- Now the code is 1234.
- This will reset the unit but not delete the stored curve.
As for number 2 simply don't hook it up or zero it out. No vacuum = no signal to energize the circuitry
Ed
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 15 2021, 08:22 PM
Another two weeks left in this group buy, so far three folks have pulled the trigger.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 16 2021, 05:20 PM
Don't forget to use coupon code 914world21
Posted by: tyfighter123 Mar 16 2021, 10:23 PM
Just ordered one. Thanks
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 17 2021, 10:45 AM
New release - Programmable Bluetooth with D-Jet outputs
Click this linkhttps://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-vw-4-cyl-w-d-jet-bluetooth-programmable-includes-spacer/ available 4/1/21
Posted by: orthobiz Mar 17 2021, 10:48 AM
One time I looked and saw two detailed YouTube videos on installing in a 914...IN DUTCH!!
Anybody translate it yet?
Paul
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 17 2021, 11:00 AM
I concluded that most 914 people are camera shy which might explain the lack of installation videos for this product.
I recently found out that there is a web site called Cameo, to where you can pay celebrities to speak. I thought it might be fun to do a 123 dizzy installation video, and have either Gordon Ramsay or Adam Savage from mythbusters providing the instructional voice over. 
Hi Paul 
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 17 2021, 12:43 PM
Updated post one to include the new Djet bluetooth version. 
Posted by: pete000 Mar 17 2021, 05:00 PM
I installed a blue tooth version in my 74 1.8 L-Jet and it worked awesome. It is way easy to install and program. Car runs like it never did before. I am going to jump in on this group buy and pick one up for my six. Thanks for setting it up !
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 17 2021, 06:20 PM
I bought the bluetooth version for my Ljet, and will get around to installing it very soon hopefully. I may need to pick your brain on what program you used in a few weeks!
If you do buy one for your six, that would make you number 5 in the group buy. Just one more for the 10% discount 
Posted by: dax1969 Mar 19 2021, 03:29 AM
One time I looked and saw two detailed YouTube videos on installing in a 914...IN DUTCH!!
Anybody translate it yet?
Paul
that's not dutch but German
Just installed mine and the guy who made the youtube videos did a good job
krgds
Dax
Posted by: dax1969 Mar 19 2021, 03:35 AM
Damn...just bought a 123 ignition for my 74 2.0 djet last friday. Checked all websites (vendors and the manufacturer) and at that time there was no tune+ with bluetooth availaible for my car.
Two days ago the tune+ with bluetooth all of sudden appeared on the website of the manufacturer (and still not on the vendors website).
Damn if I knew this ... I even spoke with the seller before buying....
Not amused
greeting from Belgium, neighbouring country of The Netherlands... home of the 123 ignition manufacturer 
UPDATE : had contact with the manufacturer and they confirmed that their local dealers were not informed yet .... buggers
dax
Posted by: jhynesrockmtn Mar 19 2021, 08:03 AM
I'm contemplating two of these. I have a stock 1970 1.7. In looking at the website it mentions the 123 distributor does work with EFI systems that need a trigger from the distributor. I am a relative newbie but I thought the 1.7 Djet was triggered by points on the distributor?
The other car I have is a 6cyl GT clone that I'm prepping for vintage racing. The motor was built using a factor 2 liter 914-6 case, 2.2 pistons and cylinders with a longer stroke 2.4 crank for higher compression, weber 46's. It is currently running an electro motive crank fire which most vintage race orgs frown on. Would this be a good replacement for that system for a vintage race car? The engine is out so now is the time to do this. I'm assuming the blue tooth version would give me the most programming flexibility and ease. Anyone with experience with this application?
Thanks for your help.
Jerry
Posted by: CMONNETT Mar 19 2021, 10:08 AM
Has anyone else had a problem with these 123's cutting out? I bought one for D-Jet on the first group buy to install when I finished my 2056 build. The thing didn't even last 1000mi. I finally just put the stock dizzy back in, and the car hasn't given me an issue since.
Thanks,
Chris
Posted by: VaccaRabite Mar 19 2021, 10:33 AM
Has anyone else had a problem with these 123's cutting out? I bought one for D-Jet on the first group buy to install when I finished my 2056 build. The thing didn't even last 1000mi. I finally just put the stock dizzy back in, and the car hasn't given me an issue since.
Thanks,
Chris
Sounds like a faulty unit. I'd send it back.
Zach
Posted by: rjames Mar 19 2021, 11:35 AM
Has anyone else had a problem with these 123's cutting out? I bought one for D-Jet on the first group buy to install when I finished my 2056 build. The thing didn't even last 1000mi. I finally just put the stock dizzy back in, and the car hasn't given me an issue since.
Thanks,
Chris
What were the symptoms, or did it just completely stop working one day?
Posted by: Morrie Mar 19 2021, 02:59 PM
Unlike the last GB, for this one, orders will be shipped on a first come first serve basis.
The first six will be refunded when number hits 6 and the code will be changed to reflect 10% discount. If the GB hits 10 then the free shipping will kick in and refunds will be issued. All went well the last time. I try to be as transparent as possible. Thanks for your support.
I would like to mention that the PC programmable units are few only because of demand being so low. So if any order the TUNE it will no doubt be a wait.
That is not the case with the Bluetooth TUNE+ or the switched models including the D-Jet.
Ed
Hi Ed,
Order placed!
How many orders so far? Hoping we get more than 10- looks like you hit the 6 threshold already. This is my second one. I have already replaced my D-Jet with the old style 123 (no BT) and love it. This one is going to be the BT version for non D-Jet for my 68 912.
Posted by: CMONNETT Mar 19 2021, 03:00 PM
Has anyone else had a problem with these 123's cutting out? I bought one for D-Jet on the first group buy to install when I finished my 2056 build. The thing didn't even last 1000mi. I finally just put the stock dizzy back in, and the car hasn't given me an issue since.
Thanks,
Chris
What were the symptoms, or did it just completely stop working one day?
At first it started with a real faint stumble, then the car would just start bucking real bad and finally died on the hwy. Had it towed home, and the thing fired up like nothing once it got off the truck. It was the first time I have ever had to tow the car in the 20yrs of ownership. It drove fine for a few days and started acting up again, swapped out the dizzy on the side of the road, and it's been fine since. I would send it back, but was told it's only a one year warranty.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 19 2021, 03:14 PM
Hey Guys we are at 5. From here forward 10% discount. If we hit 10 shipping will be refunded.
Hope this helps
Ed
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 19 2021, 03:18 PM
Has anyone else had a problem with these 123's cutting out? I bought one for D-Jet on the first group buy to install when I finished my 2056 build. The thing didn't even last 1000mi. I finally just put the stock dizzy back in, and the car hasn't given me an issue since.
Thanks,
Chris
What were the symptoms, or did it just completely stop working one day?
At first it started with a real faint stumble, then the car would just start bucking real bad and finally died on the hwy. Had it towed home, and the thing fired up like nothing once it got off the truck. It was the first time I have ever had to tow the car in the 20yrs of ownership. It drove fine for a few days and started acting up again, swapped out the dizzy on the side of the road, and it's been fine since. I would send it back, but was told it's only a one year warranty.
If you want to send it in to me I can check it out. Let you know what is wrong and give you an estimate to fix.
Hope this helps
Ed
Posted by: CMONNETT Mar 19 2021, 03:48 PM
Has anyone else had a problem with these 123's cutting out? I bought one for D-Jet on the first group buy to install when I finished my 2056 build. The thing didn't even last 1000mi. I finally just put the stock dizzy back in, and the car hasn't given me an issue since.
Thanks,
Chris
What were the symptoms, or did it just completely stop working one day?
At first it started with a real faint stumble, then the car would just start bucking real bad and finally died on the hwy. Had it towed home, and the thing fired up like nothing once it got off the truck. It was the first time I have ever had to tow the car in the 20yrs of ownership. It drove fine for a few days and started acting up again, swapped out the dizzy on the side of the road, and it's been fine since. I would send it back, but was told it's only a one year warranty.
If you want to send it in to me I can check it out. Let you know what is wrong and give you an estimate to fix.
Hope this helps
Ed
That would be great! Thanks
Posted by: warpig Mar 19 2021, 09:49 PM
Rats!!! I just purchased one last month. Oh well, win some, loose some.
Looking forward to getting it installed here very soon.
Cheers,
John
Me too. Haven't even opened it yet.
So much for stockpiling parts.
Everyone should pay me a little $ to buy stuff so it will go on sale.
Posted by: DRPHIL914 Mar 21 2021, 08:02 AM
what would be the advantage of having the blue tooth programmable version for d-jet vs my current one ? i have had the 123 for a few years, running strong no issues. i use the vac setting with i think is curve b. so it’s a pain t have to change the curve setting manually, i gues thst would be the advantage? it’s tempting!!
so 10% discount? if anyone wants a non-blue tooth version, mine has 2 years and less than 2500 miles on it, still mint like new(like the rest of my car) i would sell it for $100 off new thats a 20% savings- pm if interested.
Posted by: 75914-L20C Mar 21 2021, 12:47 PM
I just ordered a bluetooth unit for my '75 L-jet. I got a 10% discount so the group buy is in the 6 - 10 range!
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 21 2021, 12:50 PM
Click this link https://123ignitionusa.com/about/
or click here for additional programming lessons. https://123ignitionusa.com/123ignition-lessons/ although the lessons are on the TUNE program the basic ideas apply to the Bluetooth.
One time I looked and saw two detailed YouTube videos on installing in a 914...IN DUTCH!!
Anybody translate it yet?
Paul
that's not dutch but German
Just installed mine and the guy who made the youtube videos did a good job
krgds
Dax
Posted by: pete000 Mar 21 2021, 07:11 PM
Just ordered mine. Thanks for setting this up!
Posted by: burlybryan Mar 24 2021, 08:18 AM
Order placed for D-Jet with BT
Posted by: BillJ Mar 24 2021, 08:45 AM
oh man -JUST finished my 2056 and have the 123 non-BT. Timing is everything
Posted by: pstank Mar 24 2021, 08:52 AM
Ordered L-Jet option! Super excited for this upgrade. Thanks for setting this up!!
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 24 2021, 09:54 AM
One Week Left!
And we definitely hit the quota for the 10% off discount!
Posted by: Morrie Mar 24 2021, 10:59 AM
One Week Left!
And we definitely hit the quota for the 10% off discount!
Looks like possibly 9 ordered so far from folks commenting!
Posted by: Samuelrocky Mar 24 2021, 12:55 PM
Just ordered today 3-24-21.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 24 2021, 02:33 PM
Thanks for your patronage. Orders are now at 11.
All refunds including shipping to the USA will be processed after the close of the Group Buy.
Orders that are not in stock like the Bluetooth D-Jet models should be here and shipped out by April 20th.
Posted by: TJB/914 Mar 24 2021, 04:28 PM
Thanks for your patronage. Orders are now at 11.
All refunds including shipping to the USA will be processed after the close of the Group Buy.
Orders that are not in stock like the Bluetooth D-Jet models should be here and shipped out by April 20th.
123Guy?
Wondering:
Can my older style 123ignition still in the box be re-programed with Bluetooth?? If sent back to you??
Tom
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 25 2021, 10:31 AM
Maybe Ed will chime in, but from the pictures I have seen, the bluetooth dizzy has a daughter circuit board that is perpendicular to the main control board. I think this daughter board has a bluetooth chip on it, where the non bluetooth dizzys do not have this daughter board. So, I don't think a firmware update on a non bluetooth dizzy would enable bluetooth, they appear to be two different animals.
Now what would be nice and hopefully the 123ignition engineers are listening, ditch the bluetooth version. Instead, replace it with a 3g/4g chipset. Have the data from each distributor continuously stream to the 123ignition headquarters. Then hire a huge team of Nascar crew chiefs to monitor and make timing changes on the fly. I can envision it now, it would be like a NASA control room!
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 27 2021, 08:33 PM
Thanks for your patronage. Orders are now at 11.
All refunds including shipping to the USA will be processed after the close of the Group Buy.
Orders that are not in stock like the Bluetooth D-Jet models should be here and shipped out by April 20th.
123Guy?
Wondering:
Can my older style 123ignition still in the box be re-programed with Bluetooth?? If sent back to you??
Tom
Hi Tom
If it is new enough we can convert it to a Bluetooth.$$$ The born on date needs to be 2012 or newer. Send me an email and we can discuss it. 123ignitionusa@gmail.com
Posted by: rjames Mar 27 2021, 09:44 PM
Thanks for your patronage. Orders are now at 11.
All refunds including shipping to the USA will be processed after the close of the Group Buy.
Orders that are not in stock like the Bluetooth D-Jet models should be here and shipped out by April 20th.
123Guy?
Wondering:
Can my older style 123ignition still in the box be re-programed with Bluetooth?? If sent back to you??
Tom
Hi Tom
If it is new enough we can convert it to a Bluetooth.$$$ The born on date needs to be 2012 or newer. Send me an email and we can discuss it. 123ignitionusa@gmail.com
I'm also interested in this. How many emails do you want?
Posted by: jhynesrockmtn Mar 28 2021, 10:20 AM
I just bought 2
Posted by: mate914 Mar 28 2021, 12:50 PM
Just got one for the 9146 with Bluetooth.
Thanks
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 29 2021, 04:04 PM
Two days left!!
Posted by: 914chris Mar 31 2021, 11:03 AM
For a 914/6 application on original 2.0 liter 6, would I remove the CDI?
Website description says:
Suitable for engines without HKZ (CDI) unit and first generation HKZ unit ( 3 wires )
Warning: Don’t use the original HKZ (CDI) coil direct on the 123ignition.
I believe I have the HKZ unit with 3 wires. Says it is suitable to use with first gen, but then says don't use it direct on the 123ignition. What does "direct on" mean?
Posted by: Morrie Mar 31 2021, 12:41 PM
For a 914/6 application on original 2.0 liter 6, would I remove the CDI?
Website description says:
Suitable for engines without HKZ (CDI) unit and first generation HKZ unit ( 3 wires )
Warning: Don’t use the original HKZ (CDI) coil direct on the 123ignition.
I believe I have the HKZ unit with 3 wires. Says it is suitable to use with first gen, but then says don't use it direct on the 123ignition. What does "direct on" mean?
I found that confusing too! We were looking for a distributor to use in a carbureted 3.2L in place of the option of a 2.7RS and this, plus the gear discussion on the site, was very confusing.
Since this is the last day, I'd send him an e-mail in addition to your post...
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Mar 31 2021, 04:45 PM
Last Day!
Chris, I emailed Ed as well, hopefully he will get you the answers soon.
Thanks everyone who took part on this group buy. I believe we are at 13 at the moment
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 31 2021, 06:19 PM
For a 914/6 application on original 2.0 liter 6, would I remove the CDI?
Website description says:
Suitable for engines without HKZ (CDI) unit and first generation HKZ unit ( 3 wires )
Warning: Don’t use the original HKZ (CDI) coil direct on the 123ignition.
I believe I have the HKZ unit with 3 wires. Says it is suitable to use with first gen, but then says don't use it direct on the 123ignition. What does "direct on" mean?
Hi
I am not sure how they are wired. So I cannot answer that tonight as the mfg is closed at the moment. I will extend the buy 24hrs to see if I can get an answer.
As for the gear - There are two different pitched gears depending on what motor you have.
The 2.4 2.7 and 3.3 when looking at them sitting in front of you are pitched from left up to the right.
The 3.0 SC is pitched from right to up to the left.
Over the years motors are worked on and rearranged cams from different motors are used and gearing changes. Because of this you need to confirm what you have. A picture is supplied to compare. Almost all are pitched from left up to the right.
I have had customers order one only to find out they have the other. You mus to a visual comparison. See attachment
In addition original gears have a larger inside diameter than the 123 and so cannot be used unless a bushing adapter is used.
https://123ignitionusa.com/3-0-gear-l-h-pitch/
Attached thumbnail(s)
Posted by: mb911 Mar 31 2021, 06:23 PM
Chris there is a big thread on the bird board on how to wire the 123 dizzy with CDI. I have an msd box on my 123 and it works just fine
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 31 2021, 06:26 PM
For a 914/6 application on original 2.0 liter 6, would I remove the CDI?
Website description says:
Suitable for engines without HKZ (CDI) unit and first generation HKZ unit ( 3 wires )
Warning: Don’t use the original HKZ (CDI) coil direct on the 123ignition.
I believe I have the HKZ unit with 3 wires. Says it is suitable to use with first gen, but then says don't use it direct on the 123ignition. What does "direct on" mean?
You could remove the 3- pin unit and use it with a plain coil of not less than 1 ohm.
I will email the mfg in the morning regarding the statement of not using the hkz direct and extend the special by 24 hrs.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 31 2021, 06:31 PM
Chris there is a big thread on the bird board on how to wire the 123 dizzy with CDI. I have an msd box on my 123 and it works just fine
Ben do you have a link
Posted by: mb911 Mar 31 2021, 06:51 PM
Chris there is a big thread on the bird board on how to wire the 123 dizzy with CDI. I have an msd box on my 123 and it works just fine
Ben do you have a link
Here is mine and worked just as it should.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1064149-123-ignition-msd.html
Posted by: mb911 Mar 31 2021, 06:57 PM
Chris there is a big thread on the bird board on how to wire the 123 dizzy with CDI. I have an msd box on my 123 and it works just fine
Ben do you have a link
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19587 do you have any of the basic curves for the 911 based engines anywhere in your documentation? I would love to see those baselines vs what I have.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Mar 31 2021, 07:02 PM
Chris there is a big thread on the bird board on how to wire the 123 dizzy with CDI. I have an msd box on my 123 and it works just fine
Ben do you have a link
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19587 do you have any of the basic curves for the 911 based engines anywhere in your documentation? I would love to see those baselines vs what I have.
Sorry I do not
Posted by: DTMLGND Mar 31 2021, 08:01 PM
New release - Programmable Bluetooth with D-Jet outputs
Click this linkhttps://123ignitionusa.com/porsche-vw-4-cyl-w-d-jet-bluetooth-programmable-includes-spacer/ available 4/1/21
Seriously considering this for my '73 2.0 D-Jet and BMW 2002 M10
!!Bluetooth available and best choice for both my cars???
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Apr 1 2021, 06:36 AM
This should end the confusion regarding the Hkz CDI and the 123ignition.
From Ron at the Mfg
"You can use our 123Ignition distributor without the HKZ unit. But you can't use the Coil from the HKZ unit directly on our 123Ignition distributor.
This coil has a resistance of 0,4 Ohm.
Our 123ignition needs a coil of at least 1 ohm."
So Bottom line is
1) Yes you can use the HKZ 3 pin CDI system.
2) Do not use the original coil change it out for one that measures 1 ohm or higher. Like a Bosch Red (1.8 ohm) or a Bosch Blue (3.4 ohm).
Sale ends tonight at midnight EST. Unfulfilled orders are being shipped from the mfg as we speak. Shipping to you should be middle of next week
Hope this helps
Ed
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Apr 1 2021, 09:23 AM
Extra Bonus Day!
Coupon code has been edited and extended till midnight
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Apr 1 2021, 09:56 AM
This may interest some of you. Under the Help Tab drop down box https://123ignitionusa.com/curve-tutorial/ Here is another link https://123ignitionusa.com/about/
Posted by: 914chris Apr 1 2021, 06:55 PM
Order Placed!! Thank you for the extension and getting back to me on the question.
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Apr 1 2021, 07:50 PM
Order Placed!! Thank you for the extension and getting back to me on the question.
Thank you Chris and all your fellow enthusiasts. Of course we want to thank Tim he is the mastermind here. Still waiting for him to come up with some plane tickets.
Enjoy the driving season.All discounts and refunds are being processed. Check your emails for updated invoices showing your new totals. Thanks again
Hope this helps
Ed
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Apr 2 2021, 04:39 PM
Thanks Ed, currently moving on to plan B with the air travel as I'm working on my private pilots license. It has only taken me 10 years to acquire 20 flight hours, hopefully I can get the other 20 hours sooner!
Thank you for the great product and your awesome support!
Posted by: pete000 Apr 2 2021, 06:14 PM
Here is the curve I ended up with my 74 1.8 L-Jet. No vacuum used for either advance or retard.
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Posted by: mgphoto Apr 8 2021, 05:16 PM
Mine arrived today, D-Jet w/BT!
Posted by: wbgoggans Jul 6 2021, 01:42 AM
Anyone interested in doing another group buy?
Posted by: Front yard mechanic Jul 11 2021, 08:40 PM
Anyone interested in doing another group buy?
Yes
Posted by: mepstein Jul 11 2021, 08:51 PM
Yes
Posted by: FifthOrb Jul 13 2021, 10:55 AM
Anyone interested in doing another group buy?
Yes.
Posted by: TX914 Jul 14 2021, 05:35 AM
Yes
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Oct 17 2021, 07:25 PM
So I just now installed this bluetooth 123 dizzy on my Ljet, and wow! My 914 has been down for the past few years, and I have been slowly bringing it back to life this past week by installing a gowesty throttle body, new fuel injectors, high torque starter. Not only did it start on the first crank, it ran pretty damn well despite one of my new fuel injectors was not firing, causing my car to run on only three cylinders. After replacing the new faulty injector with new again (FJ707), I'm running on all 4 cylinders and this car has never ever ran this smooth before, simply amazing. I did a generic timing of 30 degrees at 3000 rpm, just to be in the ball park, but I plan to use Pete's curve to see if it changes the performance, seems pretty flat trying to accelerate. I haven't messed with any timing curves internal to the 123 dizzy, whatever is pre programmed out of the box is what I'm using, so this may explain why it's somewhat flat on acceleration.
I'm very impressed so far, thanks again everyone who participated in this group buy
Posted by: Front yard mechanic Oct 17 2021, 07:44 PM
So I just now installed this bluetooth 123 dizzy on my Ljet, and wow! My 914 has been down for the past few years, and I have been slowly bringing it back to life this past week by installing a gowesty throttle body, new fuel injectors, high torque starter. Not only did it start on the first crank, it ran pretty damn well despite one of my new fuel injectors was not firing, causing my car to run on only three cylinders. After replacing the new faulty injector with new again (FJ707), I'm running on all 4 cylinders and this car has never ever ran this smooth before, simply amazing. I did a generic timing of 30 degrees at 3000 rpm, just to be in the ball park, but I plan to use Pete's curve to see if it changes the performance, seems pretty flat trying to accelerate. I haven't messed with any timing curves internal to the 123 dizzy, whatever is pre programmed out of the box is what I'm using, so this may explain why it's somewhat flat on acceleration.
I'm very impressed so far, thanks again everyone who participated in this group buy
Another group buy?
Posted by: 123ignitionusa Oct 26 2021, 06:53 PM
So I just now installed this bluetooth 123 dizzy on my Ljet, and wow! My 914 has been down for the past few years, and I have been slowly bringing it back to life this past week by installing a gowesty throttle body, new fuel injectors, high torque starter. Not only did it start on the first crank, it ran pretty damn well despite one of my new fuel injectors was not firing, causing my car to run on only three cylinders. After replacing the new faulty injector with new again (FJ707), I'm running on all 4 cylinders and this car has never ever ran this smooth before, simply amazing. I did a generic timing of 30 degrees at 3000 rpm, just to be in the ball park, but I plan to use Pete's curve to see if it changes the performance, seems pretty flat trying to accelerate. I haven't messed with any timing curves internal to the 123 dizzy, whatever is pre programmed out of the box is what I'm using, so this may explain why it's somewhat flat on acceleration.
I'm very impressed so far, thanks again everyone who participated in this group buy
Hi Tim
Just wanted to let you know the curve that comes with the Bluetooth is a generic curve not intended for any particular car. It does give you something to work with. If you have a Porsche specific curve you can load in it should help quite a bit.
Don't forget to verify , synchronize the app with the motor.
Hope this helps
Ed
Posted by: jcd914 Nov 15 2021, 11:26 PM
So I just now installed this bluetooth 123 dizzy on my Ljet, and wow! My 914 has been down for the past few years, and I have been slowly bringing it back to life this past week by installing a gowesty throttle body, new fuel injectors, high torque starter. Not only did it start on the first crank, it ran pretty damn well despite one of my new fuel injectors was not firing, causing my car to run on only three cylinders. After replacing the new faulty injector with new again (FJ707), I'm running on all 4 cylinders and this car has never ever ran this smooth before, simply amazing. I did a generic timing of 30 degrees at 3000 rpm, just to be in the ball park, but I plan to use Pete's curve to see if it changes the performance, seems pretty flat trying to accelerate. I haven't messed with any timing curves internal to the 123 dizzy, whatever is pre programmed out of the box is what I'm using, so this may explain why it's somewhat flat on acceleration.
I'm very impressed so far, thanks again everyone who participated in this group buy
Another group buy?
I would be interested.
I have decided an ignition upgrade is due and will probably be buying a blue tooth version 123 shortly group buy or not.
Jim
There seemed to be some interest back in July when "wbgoggans" asked.
Yes
Anyone interested in doing another group buy?
Yes.
Yes
Posted by: strawman Nov 16 2021, 07:16 PM
I'm interested in a group buy for my wife's 1975 L-Jet 914; I'd want the bluetooth version.
Posted by: 7275914911 Feb 21 2022, 10:00 PM
Here is the curve I ended up with my 74 1.8 L-Jet. No vacuum used for either advance or retard.
Thanks for sharing this info. Are there other Curves out there to be shared by others for the bluetooth version. Engine is a 2056 w/1.7 Djet with 2.0 injectors. 2056 is 1.8 case with 2.0 crank/rods/pistons.
Thanks in advance for any and all replies,
Ken
Posted by: relentless Feb 22 2022, 02:44 PM
I'd be in for another GB for my '76 d-jet.
Posted by: Van B Feb 22 2022, 02:51 PM
I'm interested in a group buy for my wife's 1975 L-Jet 914; I'd want the bluetooth version.
Same here for my '74 L-Jet.
But, frankly, I'm a little worried it might be too much of a challenge to get right. I don't see any data on Vac advance/retard curves or RPM advance profiles. As one guy who's learning about distributors for the first time, I'm simply not up to the task. And without any experienced real-life 914 friends who are willing to help, I need a plug and play option.
If 123ignition had base maps for the L-Jet, I would already be an owner.
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