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Posted by: Niklas Mar 7 2021, 03:49 AM

Who sells tumblers ( Wafers ) and springs now?

Niklas

Posted by: 914Sixer Mar 7 2021, 06:57 AM

914Rubber was going to make them but not sure IF i ever happened.

Posted by: ConeDodger Mar 7 2021, 07:07 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348

Posted by: bdstone914 Mar 7 2021, 08:43 AM

I have lots of used tumblers with wafers and springs. Some sells repros them new as a VW part.

Posted by: pete000 Mar 7 2021, 09:27 AM

Do a search on the Samba for Gabriel Locks, he rebuilds VW locks.

Posted by: iankarr Mar 7 2021, 09:54 AM

Also Curt Curtis on FB

Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 7 2021, 10:08 AM

Yes these are on the list. I have not seen new. The problem is that if they are used they can be worn unevenly.

You may have to go through a few to match your ignition key to the door.

Are new available now and how much are they?

Posted by: bbrock Mar 7 2021, 10:22 AM

I bought new wafers and springs from member @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=15579 a few years ago but he hasn't been active here for a couple years. He was getting new wafers from someplace though so they must be available.

Posted by: bdstone914 Mar 7 2021, 10:41 AM

I found these.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/324458702771?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=324458702771&targetid=1068323850390&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031486&poi=&campaignid=11755693419&mkgroupid=112482247605&rlsatarget=pla-1068323850390&abcId=9300462&merchantid=119050344&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0ajeu8-e7wIVtQytBh2qOAtXEAQYASABEgIvhfD_BwE

Posted by: bdstone914 Mar 7 2021, 10:44 AM

This looks like the source

https://www.easykeys.com/1831_ESP_Cam_Lock_Re-Keying_Kit_ODDCRK-30-0000.aspx

Posted by: willieg Mar 7 2021, 11:07 AM

I have had good response from keys4classics.com. They are an Aussie company.

Posted by: bdstone914 Mar 7 2021, 11:57 AM

Not that much. Maybe buy the 400 kit and repack.

https://www.easykeys.com/1831_ESP_Cam_Lock_...RK-30-0000.aspx

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 7 2021, 02:41 PM

Those are not the same. They are made for cam style locks. They are not the same size. I've checked all those vendors and they state that they will not fit automotive locks.

Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 7 2021, 05:31 PM

I'm totally down with buying in bulk and reselling in bit size pieces to make stuff reasonable. Just gotta do my homework to make sure its correct.

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 7 2021, 06:03 PM

I hope you can find them. I've had two porsche parts professionals looking for a source with no luck.

Posted by: Mikey914 Mar 7 2021, 07:10 PM

Which is why we were looking to make them.
The tooling is not cheap.

Posted by: JeffBowlsby Mar 7 2021, 07:47 PM

Their website says they only do keys, not locks

Posted by: 914Sixer Mar 8 2021, 06:26 AM

Lets be clear, VW wafers and 914/911 wafers are COMPLETELY different thickness. Not interchangeable.

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 8 2021, 06:31 AM

Mark nailed it. Vw wafers will NOT fit!

Posted by: Niklas Mar 9 2021, 04:31 AM

It says that these does not fit car locks.

Niklas

Posted by: Root_Werks Mar 9 2021, 12:46 PM

I bought this kit, worked great. Now I have a hundred extra wafflers and springs.

Posted by: 914Sixer Mar 10 2021, 07:21 AM

IF this is a correct set, it is the answer to everything.

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 10 2021, 07:36 AM

I would be happy to take your leftovers.

Posted by: mepstein Mar 10 2021, 07:46 AM

Thank you for posting. I have looked in the past but never was able to find a kit. Tweet used to charge the same amount for about 20 wafers and springs.

Edit - I just ordered. Super easy and fast.

Posted by: Root_Werks Mar 10 2021, 09:58 AM

I'll have to check the kit I bought. Worked on doors and rear lock perfect. Even wrote down which wafer went where so I have a good key code.

Posted by: frostyf Mar 10 2021, 10:03 PM

Hey Rootwerks, is this the solution? Despite the comments about not fitting car locks, did these wafers work in yr locks??

I tried some 924 wafers but they must be like the VW ones as they were too thick and too large! Keen to find a source that works!

Posted by: mepstein Mar 15 2021, 12:59 PM

I just got mine today. I’ll try them in some lock cores shortly. But I got to believe that if Root says they work, they work.


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Posted by: eric9144 Mar 15 2021, 01:33 PM

Very curious to see the outcome on this, have literally just gotten all the odds and ends pieces to pull apart both of my doors and pull F/R trunk and Passenger tumblers out to match them to the ignition and drivers door key. Didn't want the car pulled apart for too long while the locks were being re-keyed and didn't want to have to do it 2x

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 15 2021, 03:17 PM

I too ordered the set from easy key. They are not the same. They do fit the cylinder, but the length overall, and the height of the key slot are smaller. I've already tried to key a cylinder with them. The key slot being smaller makes it difficult or even impossible to insert the key, depending on the cut of the key. They do slide into the cylinders, but that's about it. All in all, not a viable solution for me.

Posted by: Root_Werks Mar 15 2021, 03:22 PM

That looks like the same kit I bought. I'll check when I get home tonight. I did doors and rear lock. They fit perfect. BUT, gotta double check the kit.

Dunno about ignition.

Posted by: gord Mar 16 2021, 06:35 PM

Subscribing to this thread because I need to rekey 3 of my locks in the near future. I did find the ASP kit (A-26-101), but it seems impossible to purchase unless you are a licensed locksmith.

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=10825 - please let us know how this kit works out for you!

Gord

Posted by: Root_Werks Mar 17 2021, 08:36 AM

Yup, that's the ESP kit I have. The wafers worked and I didn't need any springs so don't know if those worked.

Again, this was just on doors and rear lock. Haven't tried them on glove box or front trunk handle yet.

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 17 2021, 09:35 AM

Here's a comparison between the two. You can clearly see the difference. The key slot is different. The length is different. There is a small tit on one side of the esp wafers. They might work with a particular key, but they will not work with all keys. I've tried to mock up with 3 different keys in 3 different cylinders. All were failures. I fear there will be trouble with them down the road. I will not be using these on locks for my customers. I just can't guarantee them.

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 17 2021, 09:41 AM

The esp wafers are also not as wide, and quite sloppy side to side. This could easily hang up in the cylinder.

The springs work just fine.

Posted by: Root_Werks Mar 17 2021, 10:20 AM

Will admit I didn't notice the thickness difference between the wafers.

So it seems the ESP kit isn't truly a perfect replacement for proper wafers. I'm happy with how my locks operate though. The key is pretty smooth and at least the ESP kit allowed me to get all my locks to match.

Years ago I had tons of 914/911 keys and lock parts including wafers. Shoulda kept them!

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 17 2021, 10:26 AM

That's why l have saved every lock l can. Still, l run low on #4 wafers. For me, the springs alone are almost worth the cost.

Posted by: Dobbsy Mar 17 2021, 10:58 AM

I am still waiting for mine to arrive, I will deffinately need the springs, shame about the wafers.
On the topic of keys, which key would a 914-6 have been sold with, the only key I was given is the Porsche Audi one. Should I have the black and red ones.








If its the black and red ones, for the valet key which wafer indentation should be missing or was it random.

If its the Porsche Audi key what did they do for the valet key

Posted by: TheCabinetmaker Mar 17 2021, 11:32 AM

All 914s and early 911s came with a master and valet key, as far as l know. The valet wafer replaces the #3 wafer. Some wafers aren't marked. The#3 will measure approximately 0.169 from bottom of slot to bottom of wafer.

Posted by: PCH Mar 17 2021, 01:52 PM

I agree with Root Werks. I used the ESP kit wafers to help me key all my locks to the ignition lock. Worked out fine. Amazing how many locks a 914 has!