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Posted by: mepstein Mar 10 2021, 02:49 PM
Because I don't have enough going on right now, I bought a 912 project. 
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Posted by: 914Sixer Mar 10 2021, 02:54 PM
Sweet
Posted by: Ace Le Count Mar 10 2021, 02:56 PM
Because I don't have enough going on right now, I bought a 912 project.
That's a fine looking car.
Posted by: BillJ Mar 10 2021, 02:59 PM
looks like a great project!
Posted by: mepstein Mar 10 2021, 03:07 PM
It's a '67
Posted by: 914werke Mar 10 2021, 03:14 PM
Nice. Stuff the OG eng. in a box & go Outlaw T4
Posted by: B2524 Mar 10 2021, 03:15 PM
Email sent on the Wevo 915 trans.
Posted by: BK911 Mar 10 2021, 03:24 PM
Love me some 912s.
Any welding required?
Or just some wrenching?
Posted by: johnhora Mar 10 2021, 03:31 PM
So Nice...great find....they are a fun to drive
Posted by: mepstein Mar 10 2021, 04:19 PM
Email sent on the Wevo 915 trans.
Nothing in my in box. I'm at: Mark@MarkEpstein.net
Posted by: ValcoOscar Mar 10 2021, 04:22 PM
Congrats Mark!!!!
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Posted by: mgp4591 Mar 10 2021, 04:32 PM
Love the white on white scheme...is that original? What are your hp goals with this one?
Sweet score!! 
Posted by: mepstein Mar 10 2021, 04:35 PM
Love me some 912s.
Any welding required?
Or just some wrenching?
Definitely some welding. I'm hoping not a LOT of welding. Painting. A lot of wrenching. I think I bought it because of the pretty engine. Prior owner started the resto then passed away. Current owner is a 914 guy, finished building the engine after FAT built the long block and then decided to punt on the project. New floors are tacked into place. The 5 green gauges also pulled me in. Seats are still in pristine condition.
Non numbers matching engine is a positive for me since I don't care and it cost me less.
I thought about doing a six conversion but after adding up all the parts and work - oil tank, engine mounts, axles, wiring, adding weight and needing bigger brakes etc, etc, I reversed course and now planning all stock except for one of Ben's mufflers.
Posted by: mepstein Mar 10 2021, 04:40 PM
Love the white on white scheme...is that original? What are your hp goals with this one?
Sweet score!!
Light ivory is original. I like the 911R look.
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Posted by: Tdskip Mar 10 2021, 04:56 PM
Score! You are going to love having the 912. Familiar but distinct driving experience, and key boatload of options on where you go with it if you decide to deviate from stock.
Make sure to come join us over on the 912 forum, really great community there.
Congratulations!
Posted by: saigon71 Mar 10 2021, 05:13 PM
Sweet looking car Mark - congrats! 
Posted by: Bullethead Mar 10 2021, 05:20 PM
Congratulations Mark, nice looking 912... was the motor already done?!?
A 912 R would be a fine direction to take, always liked the minimalist feel of the factory racers. Post a build thread!
Posted by: mepstein Mar 10 2021, 05:47 PM
Score! You are going to love having the 912. Familiar but distinct driving experience, and key boatload of options on where you go with it if you decide to deviate from stock.
Make sure to come join us over on the 912 forum, really great community there.
Congratulations!
BTDT
Posted by: justme Mar 10 2021, 07:17 PM
Love the white on white scheme...is that original? What are your hp goals with this one?
Sweet score!!
Light ivory is original. I like the 911R look.
Have ta be dead not to like that look!
Posted by: mepstein Mar 10 2021, 07:24 PM
Love the white on white scheme...is that original? What are your hp goals with this one?
Sweet score!!
Light ivory is original. I like the 911R look.
Have ta be dead not to like that look!
LOL! Right.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=179 - please move to the correct forum.
Posted by: SavingManuals Mar 10 2021, 08:40 PM
Definitely some welding. I'm hoping not a LOT of welding. Painting. A lot of wrenching. I think I bought it because of the pretty engine. Prior owner started the resto then passed away. Current owner is a 914 guy, finished building the engine after FAT built the long block and then decided to punt on the project. New floors are tacked into place. The 5 green gauges also pulled me in. Leather seats are still in pristine condition.
Non numbers matching engine is a positive for me since I don't care and it cost me less.
I thought about doing a six conversion but after adding up all the parts and work - oil tank, engine mounts, axles, wiring, adding weight and needing bigger brakes etc, etc, I reversed course and now planning all stock except for one of Ben's mufflers.
Congrats Mark! I don't know how anyone could have said no to the pretty engine.
Sounds maybe like IT found YOU, instead of YOU finding IT? Either way, it's a destiny thing. Gotta go with destiny.Posted by: r3dplanet Mar 10 2021, 09:13 PM
Ooh, I owned a '69 912 long ago. Silver with chrome in perfect condition, it was the most beautiful thing I ever owned. Sold it for a song due to poverty. I really miss that car. But the 914 drove much better.
Posted by: jaredmcginness Mar 10 2021, 09:34 PM
You’re the man! Nice SWB. I am in dealings with something similar. This will be fun.
Posted by: euro911 Mar 11 2021, 03:18 AM
Nice acquisition, Mark 
... now you won't be bugging me about buying mine 
Keep the Type-616 motor in it, much more nimble handling than with a 911 motor 
Posted by: Dion Mar 11 2021, 05:36 AM
Good for you Mark, congrats. That’s you! Fingers crossed minimal welding.
The engine looks awesome. Yes I’d keep the mechanical stock , but sure ,dress it up cosmetically. The R look would be the E-ticket. Look forward to seeing it in person.
Posted by: 930cabman Mar 11 2021, 05:53 AM
Congrats, some things in life you just cannot let pass by, coulda, woulda, shoulda .....
Posted by: Front yard mechanic Mar 11 2021, 07:08 AM
Nice please keep those wheels & caps 
Posted by: Morph914 Mar 11 2021, 07:19 AM
Very nice! And that engine is car porn for sure!
BTW thanks again for the small trim parts
Cheers,
John
Posted by: PanelBilly Mar 11 2021, 09:21 AM
I’d build it with the OEM engine. Who cares if it’s not fast. It cool!
Posted by: mepstein Mar 11 2021, 09:43 AM
I’d build it with the OEM engine. Who cares if it’s not fast. It cool!
I agree. Once it's up and running I might try building in lightness. Remove parts, put them aside and replace with lighter pieces. Between bumpers, engine lid, seats, wheels and some other parts, I think 150-200lbs is possible. A lexan rear window only saves 15lbs but its high and far back enough that it might help. Fiberglass light buckets are a lot lighter than oem. A lightweight exhaust is the perfect spot to save weight. So there's still plenty of opportunity to let the sickness take hold.
The current owner checked with fat and was told it should be a 115-120hp engine so that would be similar to an early 911 but 200lbs less.
Posted by: BillJ Mar 11 2021, 10:00 AM
Are you keeping or targeting to sell? If keeping build your vision and don't look back. If selling do a nice driver level without mods and should fetch really good money. 912's are getting loved these days.
Posted by: mepstein Mar 11 2021, 10:07 AM
Are you keeping or targeting to sell? If keeping build your vision and don't look back. If selling do a nice driver level without mods and should fetch really good money. 912's are getting loved these days.
Right now the target is just to get it in paint. If I mod, I'm thinking only parts that can be removed/bolted on the car. It's fun to dream. Even though I don't care about numbers matching or correct paint, it was originally light ivory so that will work fine with my vision.
Posted by: DavidSweden Mar 11 2021, 10:16 AM
I got one about 8 years ago
Edit: Good luck with the restoration
After a lot of work this is what it looks like now
Posted by: mepstein Mar 11 2021, 10:36 AM
Looks terrific.
My son always wanted me to have a hood badge and now with the 912, it’s legal.
Posted by: Root_Werks Mar 11 2021, 10:43 AM
Nice score Mark! Any long nose 911/912 that can be saved is a find for sure.
Posted by: JmuRiz Mar 11 2021, 11:02 AM
I’d build it with the OEM engine. Who cares if it’s not fast. It cool!
I agree. Once it's up and running I might try building in lightness. Remove parts, put them aside and replace with lighter pieces. Between bumpers, engine lid, seats, wheels and some other parts, I think 150-200lbs is possible. A lexan rear window only saves 15lbs but its high and far back enough that it might help. Fiberglass light buckets are a lot lighter than oem. A lightweight exhaust is the perfect spot to save weight. So there's still plenty of opportunity to let the sickness take hold.
The current owner checked with fat and was told it should be a 115-120hp engine so that would be similar to an early 911 but 200lbs less.
Nice, 15-120 in a 912 would be a blast. I have probably 100 in my 356 due to the 1772cc setup and it's good enough to keep up with traffic.
Posted by: burton73 Mar 11 2021, 01:46 PM
Mark,
Good luck on this 912.
I think it was a good find for you. Buying right in a special market that is increasing is a winner formula. I have a lot of memories of my buddie getting one of these in the early 70s He kept blowing up the Eng. Very shiny red paint Bk interior.
Bob B
Posted by: KELTY360 Mar 11 2021, 05:59 PM
Checks all the boxes, except.........it’s not red......what’s up with that?
Posted by: BK911 Mar 11 2021, 06:07 PM
I agree. Once it's up and running I might try building in lightness. Remove parts, put them aside and replace with lighter pieces. Between bumpers, engine lid, seats, wheels and some other parts, I think 150-200lbs is possible. A lexan rear window only saves 15lbs but its high and far back enough that it might help. Fiberglass light buckets are a lot lighter than oem. A lightweight exhaust is the perfect spot to save weight. So there's still plenty of opportunity to let the sickness take hold.
My 68 came with a whale tail.
Yanked that off for 20#s.
Bought a fg decklid since the original has holes drilled in it for the tail.
Fg lid a whole pound lighter!
Pulled off the fg rear bumper center portion to go back to stock.
Stock was another pound lighter!
Most significant weight savings was ditching the 40# 16x7 fake Fuchs with 205.55s, and installing 25# 15x5.5 951 spares with 185.60s.
15#s per corner!!
Posted by: mepstein Mar 11 2021, 06:56 PM
I agree. Once it's up and running I might try building in lightness. Remove parts, put them aside and replace with lighter pieces. Between bumpers, engine lid, seats, wheels and some other parts, I think 150-200lbs is possible. A lexan rear window only saves 15lbs but its high and far back enough that it might help. Fiberglass light buckets are a lot lighter than oem. A lightweight exhaust is the perfect spot to save weight. So there's still plenty of opportunity to let the sickness take hold.
My 68 came with a whale tail.
Yanked that off for 20#s.
Bought a fg decklid since the original has holes drilled in it for the tail.
Fg lid a whole pound lighter!
Pulled off the fg rear bumper center portion to go back to stock.
Stock was another pound lighter!
Most significant weight savings was ditching the 40# 16x7 fake Fuchs with 205.55s, and installing 25# 15x5.5 951 spares with 185.60s.
15#s per corner!!
I would love to have a set of outlaw wheels.
I know I will change the seats. My wife worked surgical shock trauma and knows a headrest is crucial to prevent what they call a “hangman’s fracture”.
Posted by: BK911 Mar 11 2021, 07:20 PM
Fuchs are the usual go to.
15x6 are 16# each.
951 spares 15x5.5 are 11#s!!
I LOVE the steelie look, but 15x5.5 are about 20#s each.
The 951 spare looks like the steelie but are aluminum.
Your 67 would have had 15x4.5.
No idea how much they weigh.
No matter what you decide to do it should be fun and rewarding.
Buckle up and enjoy the ride!
Posted by: Big Len Mar 11 2021, 09:18 PM
Way to go Mark. I'm sure you'll make her into something very special.
Posted by: GBX0073 Mar 12 2021, 12:17 AM
Mark
Congrats great looking car
Posted by: JmuRiz Mar 12 2021, 06:17 PM
Get a set of 951 spares, they are silly light! Next time I need tires (probably now) I’ll swap over to them on the 356.
I wish I could figure out how to mount stock hubcaps did the full sleeper look.
I do know a 356 that made custom center caps for them, but you’d need to mill the mount.
Posted by: mepstein Mar 15 2021, 12:13 PM
Get a set of 951 spares, they are silly light! Next time I need tires (probably now) I’ll swap over to them on the 356.
I wish I could figure out how to mount stock hubcaps did the full sleeper look.
I do know a 356 that made custom center caps for them, but you’d need to mill the mount.
I will keep my eyes open for 951 spares. I need to find a deal since guys are asking big money for them these days. I was able to get a good deal on 2 flat Fuchs so now I have a set of 5. The steelies that come with it will sit in corner for a while. Having wheels that fit the 912 and a 914 is a bonus.
I always wanted a car with green gauges.
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Posted by: JmuRiz Mar 15 2021, 07:16 PM
Post a wtb on dorki, there are 944 guys there that might have leads, I got my 5th for spare tire use locally.
Posted by: mepstein Mar 15 2021, 07:39 PM
Post a wtb on dorki, there are 944 guys there that might have leads, I got my 5th for spare tire use locally.
Good tip. Thanks
Posted by: BK911 Mar 15 2021, 08:49 PM
Since you asked heres a pic of the 68 with the 951 wheels on it.
68s came with spacers, which I don't have, so im still playing with proper figment.
Tires are 185.60s, same as i run on the teener.
Posted by: mepstein Mar 20 2021, 09:58 AM
I’m lucky that I have awesome neighbors.
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Posted by: rhodyguy Mar 21 2021, 09:57 AM
Permanent home or eventually living in the new shop?
Posted by: mepstein Mar 21 2021, 11:08 AM
Permanent home or eventually living in the new shop?
Temporary until I have room in the workshop.
Posted by: mepstein Jun 25 2021, 12:40 PM
Fuchs are the usual go to.
15x6 are 16# each.
951 spares 15x5.5 are 11#s!!
I LOVE the steelie look, but 15x5.5 are about 20#s each.
The 951 spare looks like the steelie but are aluminum.
Your 67 would have had 15x4.5.
No idea how much they weigh.
No matter what you decide to do it should be fun and rewarding.
Buckle [attachmentid=798336]up and enjoy the ride!
Early flat Fuchs are pretty light. Later ones are ~1lb more
Minilites are cool but not light. (6 1/2 fits stock 914)
6" Cookies are cool and cheap.
4 1/2" stock steelies aren't that heavy.
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Posted by: Shivers Jun 25 2021, 08:01 PM
Very cool project.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Jun 26 2021, 05:22 AM
Cool project Mark
Good luck with it Came with some choice parts
The engine is a '68 ? That crank pulley looks air pumpish
Posted by: Freezin 914 Jun 26 2021, 05:52 AM
Had a 67’ 912 once upon a time, miss that car a great deal. Happy for you, looks great Mark!
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Posted by: mepstein Jun 26 2021, 07:18 AM
We are getting hip replacement surgery.
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Posted by: mepstein Jun 26 2021, 07:23 AM
Old ones were patched but even worse in person than pics.
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Posted by: mgp4591 Jun 26 2021, 04:58 PM
Fuchs are the usual go to.
15x6 are 16# each.
951 spares 15x5.5 are 11#s!!
I LOVE the steelie look, but 15x5.5 are about 20#s each.
The 951 spare looks like the steelie but are aluminum.
Your 67 would have had 15x4.5.
No idea how much they weigh.
No matter what you decide to do it should be fun and rewarding.
Buckle [attachmentid=798336]up and enjoy the ride!
Early flat Fuchs are pretty light. Later ones are ~1lb more
Minilites are cool but not light. (6 1/2 fits stock 914)
6" Cookies are cool and cheap.
4 1/2" stock steelies aren't that heavy.
Adding lightness...
Posted by: mepstein Jun 26 2021, 06:03 PM
Fuchs are the usual go to.
15x6 are 16# each.
951 spares 15x5.5 are 11#s!!
I LOVE the steelie look, but 15x5.5 are about 20#s each.
The 951 spare looks like the steelie but are aluminum.
Your 67 would have had 15x4.5.
No idea how much they weigh.
No matter what you decide to do it should be fun and rewarding.
Buckle [attachmentid=798336]up and enjoy the ride!
Early flat Fuchs are pretty light. Later ones are ~1lb more
Minilites are cool but not light. (6 1/2 fits stock 914)
6" Cookies are cool and cheap.
4 1/2" stock steelies aren't that heavy.
Adding lightness...
Yea. I’m over 300lb weight savings on paper. Nothing radical, nothing too expensive but enough to make a difference. But first I need a solid chassis.
Posted by: mepstein Feb 27 2022, 03:23 PM
Sold the 616 engine. Now the plan is to do a 3.2 short stroke.
Metalwork is ~85% done.
Posted by: flyer86d Feb 27 2022, 03:49 PM
Well now, that is going to be fun! I had a 3.2 short stroke in my SC track car way back when. 320 hp @ 7500 rpm. In a light narrow body, short wheelbase car, it’ll be a hoot!
Charlie
Posted by: mepstein Feb 27 2022, 04:25 PM
Well now, that is going to be fun! I had a 3.2 short stroke in my SC track car way back when. 320 hp @ 7500 rpm. In a light narrow body, short wheelbase car, it’ll be a hoot!
Charlie
I'm not chasing HP because it's going to be enough no matter what it puts out but I do have a goal for it to rev to 9K. I'm getting help from a very experienced engine builder to make it work. The sound should be amazing.
Posted by: jaredmcginness Feb 28 2022, 06:27 AM
In this order:
Posted by: mepstein Mar 6 2023, 09:14 PM
Came back from chemical dip and e-coat. Mocked it up just for fun. Headed out to paint soon.
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Posted by: Krieger Mar 6 2023, 09:34 PM
Looking good!
Posted by: BillJ Mar 6 2023, 09:39 PM
How did the ecoat and overall condition come.out?
Posted by: TRS63 Mar 6 2023, 10:39 PM
Cool project!
Antoine
Posted by: flyer86d Mar 7 2023, 04:59 AM
Nice looking tub!
Charlie
Posted by: Dion Mar 7 2023, 05:49 AM
This will be a fun one. Like where you’re going with this Mark.
I need to drive down to see this. 9K rpm!? 
Posted by: jaredmcginness Mar 7 2023, 06:30 AM
Nice to compare the photos of the yellow tub to the pics now!
Posted by: mepstein Mar 7 2023, 07:40 AM
How did the ecoat and overall condition come.out?
Really good. The chemical dip removes everything, rust, seam sealer, etc. then the Ecoat penetrated all the spot welded seams. A previous owner had started a restoration, replacing floor pans and some other pieces and let every overlapped seam get rusty. This cleaned and sealed everything. Ecoat is really needed if you chemical dip. Otherwise, all the spot welded seams are left bare but not accessible to conventional primer.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Mar 7 2023, 08:32 AM
Is that an aluminum engine lid ? Mmmmmm
Posted by: mepstein Mar 7 2023, 08:43 AM
Is that an aluminum engine lid ? Mmmmmm
Yes. My friend has a real one and once I saw it, I could not unsee it. Under 5 lbs and shaped really well. In fact, when I received the glass hood, I decided I didn't want glass and ordered a Dansk aluminum long hood. Unfortunately, they are 2X the price from when I sold them in 2016.
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Posted by: Retroracer Mar 7 2023, 11:26 AM
Mark - very cool build, thanks for sharing the journey.
Sounds like you'll be needing a green 10K tach....?! (to complement that 5 gauge dash)
- Tony
Posted by: mepstein Mar 7 2023, 01:45 PM
Mark - very cool build, thanks for sharing the journey.
Sounds like you'll be needing a green 10K tach....?! (to complement that 5 gauge dash)
- Tony
Thanks. I know you are the go-to guy for the 10k tachs but I’ve changed my engine plans. Keeping the motronic with some upgrades. I have a green 911S tach. 8k with a 7200 redline. That should do it for now. Too much money in the build to go crazy with the engine right now.
Posted by: wonkipop Mar 7 2023, 03:17 PM
love the 13 on the bonnet.
just like the "devils number monaro" that won bathurst in 68.
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