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Posted by: Coondog Apr 5 2021, 08:08 AM

Car impounded for 30 days. This is about 30 miles from my house, must have been coming back from Vegas. For us locals we call this stretch of highway the CHP 100 plus zone. Lots of tickets handed out for 100 and higher MPH.
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Posted by: 76-914 Apr 5 2021, 08:27 AM

That reckless driving charge is going to destroy his insurance rate!

Posted by: Steve Apr 5 2021, 08:43 AM

QUOTE(76-914 @ Apr 5 2021, 07:27 AM) *

That reckless driving charge is going to destroy his insurance rate!

Curious what the cost of the ticket is? Pretty expensive joy ride. I've only had my 914=6 up to 140 and that was when I was in my 20's in the 80's. I would never do that now. I have to much to lose.

Posted by: jaredmcginness Apr 5 2021, 08:47 AM

Looks like it says "Unlicensed" too....


Edit: Yes "Vehicle Code 12500(a) VC - Driving w/o a License in California"




Yikes.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 5 2021, 09:10 AM

Seeing the 12500 CVC added onto the citation is extra troubling. I hope the court jails him and orders the car destroyed. The asshat couldn't bother to get a license, yet he is burning up the roads at 160-plus. No mercy at all.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 5 2021, 10:04 AM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Apr 5 2021, 10:10 AM) *

Seeing the 12500 CVC added onto the citation is extra troubling. I hope the court jails him and orders the car destroyed. The asshat couldn't bother to get a license, yet he is burning up the roads at 160-plus. No mercy at all.



Don't take it out on the car. It is not at fault. It should be impounded and sold, not destroyed.

Clay

Posted by: 914Sixer Apr 5 2021, 11:15 AM

In the late 60's-70's the Western States ( NM, CO, SD, WY) had unrestricted speed limits. As long as you did not get too stupid and there was not any traffic you could haul ass all day long at a 100 with out any problem.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 5 2021, 11:32 AM

Good point Clay. My beef is not with the car- it's the asshat driver. Court ordered sale and funds to be sent to educate teenaged drivers.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 5 2021, 11:55 AM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Apr 5 2021, 12:32 PM) *

Good point Clay. My beef is not with the car- it's the asshat driver. Court ordered sale and funds to be sent to educate teenaged drivers.


I like that!

Asshats should be punished. If he wants to do that, he needs to go to the track.


Posted by: Chris914n6 Apr 5 2021, 01:59 PM

No plates. What insurance....

I'm sure he got a ride to jail.

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 5 2021, 04:48 PM

160 mph = 257 kmh in aus.

car would be crushed here. sadly.
+ a very good lawyer to stay out of jail.

in the offenders defense, i see some pretty asshat driving here at speeds below the legal limit (strict 110 kmh on interstates). said asshats are too busy doing everything but driving. it would be nice to see a jail sentence for switching on the cruise control and getting your phone out. penalties - phone crushed, offender jailed, car donated to a charity of choice.

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 5 2021, 04:56 PM

QUOTE(Steve @ Apr 5 2021, 08:43 AM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Apr 5 2021, 07:27 AM) *

That reckless driving charge is going to destroy his insurance rate!

Curious what the cost of the ticket is? Pretty expensive joy ride. I've only had my 914=6 up to 140 and that was when I was in my 20's in the 80's. I would never do that now. I have to much to lose.


lucky you.

back in the 90s when i lived in western australia, there was some tolerance for driving at high speed once a certain distance from perth. open flat two lane roads, long desert distances. i think it took me about 5 full minutes (maybe it was 10) to get the 1.8 to 105 mph. and the nose started coming up at around 95. there was no one else within about 200 miles of that aerodynamic experiment.

i have to memorize all the mph conversions to kph now when i drive so i don't risk a ticket in our zero tolerance environment. the cops are theoretically allowed no discretion in measured speed, ie 1 kph over is a ticket. in practice they tell me they apply 5 still.

Posted by: bbrock Apr 5 2021, 05:31 PM

QUOTE(914Sixer @ Apr 5 2021, 10:15 AM) *

In the late 60's-70's the Western States ( NM, CO, SD, WY) had unrestricted speed limits. As long as you did not get too stupid and there was not any traffic you could haul ass all day long at a 100 with out any problem.


Amateurs. Montana had a "reasonable and prudent" law before AND AFTER the federal 55 mph limit until 1999. Locals like to blame maniac out of state drivers for abusing the law and causing it to disappear. In reality, the MT Supreme Court struck it down as too subjective to be fairly enforced. Passing through when the law was in place, I saw plenty of vehicles with MT tags driving anything BUT reasonable or prudent. Moving here a couple years after speed limits had been instated, the locals still seemed to have extremely heavy right feet. One day while driving the legal 70 mph on the Interstate, I car passed me such a speed I got curious how fast they were driving and decided to try to pace them. My old truck started shaking at 95 mph as the car continued to get smaller in the windshield. Just as I decided to back off, another car whizzed past me like I was standing still, quickly overtook the first speeder, and dissipated over the horizon.

Soon after, I told that story to a co-worker who is 5th generation Montanan. He reminded me that only two years before, you could theoretically drive down the highway at 150 mph while swigging whiskey from a bottle and a loaded gun hidden under your seat and not break a single law. Of course we also had among the highest per capita traffic fatality rate and drunk driving accident rate in the country. That kind of freedom sounds fun, but the reality is quite different.

Posted by: rudedude Apr 5 2021, 05:54 PM

I like those days when you could pull up to the drive through at the liquor store and get a couple for the road and be legal. It was a long time ago.

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 5 2021, 05:58 PM

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I like those days when you could pull up to the drive through at the liquor store and get a couple for the road and be legal. It was a long time ago.


travellers. part of a lost language.

in 70/80s aus trips were often described in numbers of cans.
"about 3 cans up the highway mate, turn left".

Posted by: HIPPIEKILLER Apr 5 2021, 06:07 PM

I see some of us a bit strict and acting as judges. We don't know all facts such us car, road conditions, traffic, etc. Plus, we all make mistakes.

Be safe out there while enjoying!

Posted by: Front yard mechanic Apr 5 2021, 06:58 PM

Maybe he really had to stromberg.gif

Posted by: Coondog Apr 5 2021, 07:33 PM

QUOTE(HIPPIEKILLER @ Apr 5 2021, 05:07 PM) *

I see some of us a bit strict and acting as judges. We don't know all facts such us car, road conditions, traffic, etc. Plus, we all make mistakes.

Be safe out there while enjoying!



Car......Porsche, going to assume 911
Road conditions.....4 lane freeway. Straight in that area, clear weather.
Traffic........SB 15 on a Saturday always moderate with lots of trucks coming out of Barstow truck stops.

120mph could be fun with Zero traffic. Kill yourself it’s on you.
160 mph just plain stupid and odds are you will kill innocent people.

Crashing in the desert is a different animal. Getting a clear airway to Intubate the victim is almost impossible from the blood mixed with dirt-sand that’s completely filled there mouth, nostrils and blocked there airway.

There are no facts that warrant this behavior.
Sorry but I have had to request the Coroner to many times on that stretch of highway.

Posted by: 914_teener Apr 5 2021, 08:05 PM

QUOTE(HIPPIEKILLER @ Apr 5 2021, 05:07 PM) *

I see some of us a bit strict and acting as judges. We don't know all facts such us car, road conditions, traffic, etc. Plus, we all make mistakes.

Be safe out there while enjoying!



Yes....I agree...let's all stop being judges.


For those that want to be and live in or near San Berdo County here in the great So Cal wildernes...just show up at the court at the time stated and see what the judge says.

Carry on.

Oh...be smart... don't do this...learn from others.

Posted by: Shivers Apr 5 2021, 08:31 PM

I set mine up for rights and lefts. If mine did more than a 100 I'd throw a party. Too many low performance drivers on the road to do speeds like that there.

Posted by: bkrantz Apr 5 2021, 09:08 PM

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 5 2021, 11:55 AM) *

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Apr 5 2021, 12:32 PM) *

Good point Clay. My beef is not with the car- it's the asshat driver. Court ordered sale and funds to be sent to educate teenaged drivers.


I like that!

Asshats should be punished. If he wants to do that, he needs to go to the track.


To make sure everyone feels the same pain, fines should be based on income, like they do in Norway.

Posted by: cary Apr 5 2021, 09:31 PM

QUOTE(914Sixer @ Apr 5 2021, 10:15 AM) *

In the late 60's-70's the Western States ( NM, CO, SD, WY) had unrestricted speed limits. As long as you did not get too stupid and there was not any traffic you could haul ass all day long at a 100 with out any problem.


Montana too :::
Reasonable and prudent

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Apr 5 2021, 10:37 PM

SoCal Superior courthouse in Victimville w00t.gif

Posted by: RARE 6 Apr 5 2021, 11:16 PM

QUOTE(cary @ Apr 5 2021, 07:31 PM) *

QUOTE(914Sixer @ Apr 5 2021, 10:15 AM) *

In the late 60's-70's the Western States ( NM, CO, SD, WY) had unrestricted speed limits. As long as you did not get too stupid and there was not any traffic you could haul ass all day long at a 100 with out any problem.


Montana too :::
Reasonable and prudent

Got my first CO license in 1962. Don't remember a time without a speed limit here.

Posted by: Arno914 Apr 6 2021, 01:34 AM

...come to Germany where the Autobahn is... biggrin.gif

Actually we have some unrestricted stretches left on our Autobahn´s, but traffic usually is to heavy and with all those electronic helpers in nowadays vehicles the number of stupid drivers is increasing rapidly. Smartphone related accidents have outnumbered drunk driving accidents here. Mostly head on crashes, wrong lane - oops.

The "Green Party" (I´d rather call them socialists barf.gif ) is pushing hard on a general speed limit and chances are quite high they finally get through with it after the next elections in September. This is one of their main emphasis besides "saving the climate". Our car industry has suffered some hard blows recently with the (forced) switch to "electric" and the "diesel gate". Still - our Autobahns are by far the safest roads and I - and many others - hope they dont get the speed limit through.

Greets, Arno

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 6 2021, 02:14 AM

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...come to Germany where the Autobahn is... biggrin.gif

Actually we have some unrestricted stretches left on our Autobahn´s, but traffic usually is to heavy and with all those electronic helpers in nowadays vehicles the number of stupid drivers is increasing rapidly. Smartphone related accidents have outnumbered drunk driving accidents here. Mostly head on crashes, wrong lane - oops.

The "Green Party" (I´d rather call them socialists barf.gif ) is pushing hard on a general speed limit and chances are quite high they finally get through with it after the next elections in September. This is one of their main emphasis besides "saving the climate". Our car industry has suffered some hard blows recently with the (forced) switch to "electric" and the "diesel gate". Still - our Autobahns are by far the safest roads and I - and many others - hope they dont get the speed limit through.

Greets, Arno


you are describing australia.
except for the bit about unrestricted stretches of autobahn. sad.gif

Posted by: Arno914 Apr 6 2021, 03:11 AM

Hi wonkipop,

I remember driving in Australia back in 2007. I visited a friend of mine who lived in Melbourne back then for a years work assingnment. He came to pick me up at the airport - in Sydney! dry.gif
We drove to his home in Melbourne and I remember those endless stretches of lonely, straight outback roads. We pushed it down to the metal... happy11.gif
Maybe we were just lucky back then not to end up beeing nailed be the police.

Anyways, great country, loved it!

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 6 2021, 03:54 AM

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Hi wonkipop,

I remember driving in Australia back in 2007. I visited a friend of mine who lived in Melbourne back then for a years work assingnment. He came to pick me up at the airport - in Sydney! dry.gif
We drove to his home in Melbourne and I remember those endless stretches of lonely, straight outback roads. We pushed it down to the metal... happy11.gif
Maybe we were just lucky back then not to end up beeing nailed be the police.

Anyways, great country, loved it!


no worries arno.

its all gone downhill since then.

those roads you were on though are not outback roads.
but probably seemed like that to you.
you would have been either on the main interstate (hume highway) or the coast road (pacific highway). or not far off (but maybe your mate knew a few good backroads running in parallel). but still what we call civilisation.

around that time i was doing a job up in albury, repeated trips up the hume from melb.
the cops wouldn't bother unless you were out past 130kph. and if you were polite about it when you got pulled in, there was a warning and on your way. not now.
i remember on one of those trips in summer i decided to come back over the alps. while i was up high coming down into omeo i forgot where i was. i probably had the renault 172 out past 160ks. great road. came around a big sweeping bend and the cop was there standing on the side of the road waving both hands in a downward motion. so i slowed down. that was it. today he'd have me in the back of the divvy van.

there are still some roads you can try out on responsibly.
but not right now.
covid isolation of the country from the rest of the world has every tom dick and harry out there on the roads driving like kooks. thousands of them. all on their phones in front of swaying caravans.
but its better than chinese tourists. (not a racist). apparently they get their license in a simulator. you know when you come across one because their car is stopped on the highway while they get out and look. they don't even pull off the road!!

Posted by: 914forme Apr 6 2021, 06:22 AM

I get it, and yes it is against the law.

Stupid - no license
Stupid - if it is real reckless operation, but that gets slapped onto all sorts of items and is very subjective.

Here is my gripe.

Enforce the correct laws and things get a lot better. Yes even Germany has their share of accidents, and they do have speed limits, but they also have stretches with no speed limits. And this is what I found over there, keep right except to pass, and everyone is respectful. Why they enforce the keep right law, it helps so much.

You can have a Merc van towing a car under a cover, looks an awful lot like a Porsche. going a whole 65 MPH in the far right lane, and getting passed by a Merc in the middle lane doing 150 MPH, while being passed by a McLaren, a GT2RS and a Panamera Turbo going somewhere north of 175 MPH. Was hoping to see a Ranger Rover with a Camera or two. But sadly no. Everyone was happy, everyone was safe, everyone understood the rules of the road. It was driving Nirvana on a public highway, Run I made on a Holiday weekend from Stuttgart to Munich. I was the guy in the S class Merc. Would have preferred to be in the McLaren, but love the one your with. Latter saw the Truck and Porsche on the road just on the other side of my bench while enjoying a beer3.gif and some local food. 911 GTish thing with a bunch of sensors and camera camo, to keep the pictures in the press.

Enforce the correct laws and this will allow everyone to enjoy the drive. Drive responsibly and respectfully.

BTW, this morning on the way into work, I was passed on the left by a Mercury Barge doing 80 on a two lane, through the intersection with oncoming traffic. That incident put at least 10 people lives at risk, I did not do a head count just the car count involved. That was truly breaking several laws.

Passing in a non passing zone!
Reckless operation or at least incredulous operation, not a law, but good enough for me.
Speeding 80 in a 45
None signal usage

I am sure I could find a few more if I was not assessing the situation and the options I had tactically.

When I read the title I thought it was a factory test driver. I was hoping for a late career change opportunity. biggrin.gif

Posted by: mate914 Apr 6 2021, 06:42 AM

Only one kind of person drives with out a license and like that ! A Criminal that cares only for them selves.... Common sense says illegal immigrant, not American, but then again....I am wrong more often then right. flag.gif
Matt

Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 6 2021, 08:03 AM

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Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 6 2021, 08:06 AM

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Apr 5 2021, 05:56 PM) *

i have to memorize all the mph conversions to kph now when i drive so i don't risk a ticket in our zero tolerance environment. the cops are theoretically allowed no discretion in measured speed, ie 1 kph over is a ticket. in practice they tell me they apply 5 still.


I would suggest getting on Ebay and finding a Euro speedometer from a 914 or an early 70s 911. They were in KPH and are a bolt in for your car. I had one from a grey market 914 that I parted out. It was great fun to freak out people here in the US. Just put it in the car and watch their eyes bug out when it reads over 100... happy11.gif

I sold it to a 914 owner in Canada years ago.

Clay

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 6 2021, 05:43 PM

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 6 2021, 08:06 AM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Apr 5 2021, 05:56 PM) *

i have to memorize all the mph conversions to kph now when i drive so i don't risk a ticket in our zero tolerance environment. the cops are theoretically allowed no discretion in measured speed, ie 1 kph over is a ticket. in practice they tell me they apply 5 still.


I would suggest getting on Ebay and finding a Euro speedometer from a 914 or an early 70s 911. They were in KPH and are a bolt in for your car. I had one from a grey market 914 that I parted out. It was great fun to freak out people here in the US. Just put it in the car and watch their eyes bug out when it reads over 100... happy11.gif

I sold it to a 914 owner in Canada years ago.

Clay


thats pretty funny.

yeah if i do that i can freeze my low mileage in a box and put ghost kilometers on the odo too. blink.gif


i get to do the inverse at the moment. my friend with me on the last country drive leaned across and said are we really only doing 70?

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 6 2021, 05:45 PM

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Apr 6 2021, 07:43 PM) *

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 6 2021, 08:06 AM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Apr 5 2021, 05:56 PM) *

i have to memorize all the mph conversions to kph now when i drive so i don't risk a ticket in our zero tolerance environment. the cops are theoretically allowed no discretion in measured speed, ie 1 kph over is a ticket. in practice they tell me they apply 5 still.


I would suggest getting on Ebay and finding a Euro speedometer from a 914 or an early 70s 911. They were in KPH and are a bolt in for your car. I had one from a grey market 914 that I parted out. It was great fun to freak out people here in the US. Just put it in the car and watch their eyes bug out when it reads over 100... happy11.gif

I sold it to a 914 owner in Canada years ago.

Clay


thats pretty funny.

yeah if i do that i can freeze my low mileage in a box and put ghost kilometers on the odo too. blink.gif


They are out there!





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Posted by: 930cabman Apr 6 2021, 05:47 PM

How does it go, you can't fix stupid or something like that

Posted by: windforfun Apr 6 2021, 05:55 PM

It wasn't me. My "73 1.7 tops out at 103. And at 103, it still handles as beautifully as can be. I'm a poet & I hope I don't blow it.

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 6 2021, 06:11 PM

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Enforce the correct laws and things get a lot better. Yes even Germany has their share of accidents, and they do have speed limits, but they also have stretches with no speed limits. And this is what I found over there, keep right except to pass, and everyone is respectful. Why they enforce the keep right law, it helps so much.





thats a big one in aus (or perhaps it is just the state i live in) now. it once was a law to keep in the left lane unless overtaking. same as your keep in right lane.

at the same time the state govt.decided to raise revenue by introducing zero tolerance measure for speeding, they quietly withdrew the hard and fast law on staying left. its turned our freeways and interstates into arteries with clots. cars seem to bunch up in groups of 5-10 travelling too tightly together at 110kph all on cruise control across all lanes (or two on the interstates). it gets hairy when a double B road train is part of the mix.

i noticed on my last trip two weeks ago the cops were cruising up and down the interstate breaking up the clots. a highway patrol bmw right up the backside of right hand lane loiterers seems to produce a reaction involving moving left that no other car can.

as arno notes it was once an enjoyable experience on an aussie interstate just covering miles, now its..........like everywhere else?

Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 6 2021, 10:55 PM

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They are out there!
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Why don't you sell it to wonkipop so he can stay out of jail???

Clay

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 6 2021, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 6 2021, 06:45 PM) *


They are out there!
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Why don't you sell it to wonkipop so he can stay out of jail???

Clay


oh oh - google searches on cost of aus speeding ticket.
over a barrel now.

Posted by: AZBanks Apr 7 2021, 12:26 AM

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To make sure everyone feels the same pain, fines should be based on income, like they do in Norway.


Extra punishment just because someone is successful. What a brilliant idea. barf.gif barf.gif screwy.gif

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 7 2021, 07:30 AM

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Posted by: stownsen914 Apr 7 2021, 02:42 PM

The driver sounds like a real genius at work ...

On a related point, up until the 1990s I think it was Montana where the speed limit was "reasonable and prudent" or something to that effect.

Posted by: worn Apr 7 2021, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(bkrantz @ Apr 5 2021, 08:08 PM) *


To make sure everyone feels the same pain, fines should be based on income, like they do in Norway.


Extra punishment just because someone is successful. What a brilliant idea. barf.gif barf.gif screwy.gif

Yeah. OK. But say you are born without intellect, drive or talent. You get to feel just as much pain as the next guy though. Man, I count my blessings every hour. And that ain’t enough. I have two 914s! And my wife will ride in them. wub.gif

Posted by: ConeDodger Apr 7 2021, 05:09 PM

About 5 years ago in Reno during this time of the year with everything blooming and pollen so thick you had to wash your car daily, I was driving my truck with the cruise control set for 50 (the speed limit) and I had a sneezing fit. I guess I must have been jerking the wheel with each sneeze and I was immediately pulled over. The cop (RPD) asked for the usual license and registration and asked if I had been drinking. I made the true comment that I had a beer last March and he turned and walked away. I sat there patiently until I sensed him tap the taillight as cops will do and looked back to see him holding his gun in his right hand. HOLY SHIT I thought, and turned in my seat to face him. I said 'What the hell are you doing with your gun drawn.' He says 'you didn't tell me about your concealed carry permit, are you armed?' I said that 'my gun was in the case, locked, in the backseat.' First of all, Nevada is an open carry state. Second, if I was armed I am not required to inform him, it is a courtesy and as he hadn't been particularly courteous to me, well... He wrote me a ticket and I called the police station and they sent out a Sargent who must have been close as he was there in a minute. The ticket was for Reckless Driving as I swerved. I filed a complaint and the ticket was reduced to a seatbelt violation with no fine and as he was ordered not to show up in court, even that was dropped.
But 160? Public highway? You go to jail.

Posted by: pcdarks Apr 7 2021, 07:08 PM

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About 5 years ago in Reno during this time of the year with everything blooming and pollen so thick you had to wash your car daily, I was driving my truck with the cruise control set for 50 (the speed limit) and I had a sneezing fit. I guess I must have been jerking the wheel with each sneeze and I was immediately pulled over. The cop (RPD) asked for the usual license and registration and asked if I had been drinking. I made the true comment that I had a beer last March and he turned and walked away. I sat there patiently until I sensed him tap the taillight as cops will do and looked back to see him holding his gun in his right hand. HOLY SHIT I thought, and turned in my seat to face him. I said 'What the hell are you doing with your gun drawn.' He says 'you didn't tell me about your concealed carry permit, are you armed?' I said that 'my gun was in the case, locked, in the backseat.' First of all, Nevada is an open carry state. Second, if I was armed I am not required to inform him, it is a courtesy and as he hadn't been particularly courteous to me, well... He wrote me a ticket and I called the police station and they sent out a Sargent who must have been close as he was there in a minute. The ticket was for Reckless Driving as I swerved. I filed a complaint and the ticket was reduced to a seatbelt violation with no fine and as he was ordered not to show up in court, even that was dropped.
But 160? Public highway? You go to jail.


Always a good idea to keep both hands on the wheel and inform the officer immediately that you have a CC permit. That's what I do and they appreciate it. I've never had a problem. Even when they pulled me over for doing 140 in a 65. BTW I got off.


Posted by: Blue6 Apr 7 2021, 09:51 PM

Wow, that’s interesting. Who could order the officer not to show up to a court case? Sounds like he could be held in contempt. confused24.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 8 2021, 07:28 AM

I have never heard of an officer being "ordered" not to show up to court on a citation. That would be illegal.... just saying.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Apr 8 2021, 10:48 AM

QUOTE(pcdarks @ Apr 7 2021, 08:08 PM) *

QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Apr 7 2021, 05:09 PM) *

About 5 years ago in Reno during this time of the year with everything blooming and pollen so thick you had to wash your car daily, I was driving my truck with the cruise control set for 50 (the speed limit) and I had a sneezing fit. I guess I must have been jerking the wheel with each sneeze and I was immediately pulled over. The cop (RPD) asked for the usual license and registration and asked if I had been drinking. I made the true comment that I had a beer last March and he turned and walked away. I sat there patiently until I sensed him tap the taillight as cops will do and looked back to see him holding his gun in his right hand. HOLY SHIT I thought, and turned in my seat to face him. I said 'What the hell are you doing with your gun drawn.' He says 'you didn't tell me about your concealed carry permit, are you armed?' I said that 'my gun was in the case, locked, in the backseat.' First of all, Nevada is an open carry state. Second, if I was armed I am not required to inform him, it is a courtesy and as he hadn't been particularly courteous to me, well... He wrote me a ticket and I called the police station and they sent out a Sargent who must have been close as he was there in a minute. The ticket was for Reckless Driving as I swerved. I filed a complaint and the ticket was reduced to a seatbelt violation with no fine and as he was ordered not to show up in court, even that was dropped.
But 160? Public highway? You go to jail.


Always a good idea to keep both hands on the wheel and inform the officer immediately that you have a CC permit. That's what I do and they appreciate it. I've never had a problem. Even when they pulled me over for doing 140 in a 65. BTW I got off.



I got out of a ticket in a similar situation. Years ago, I was on my way home from the range, I got stopped for speeding. This was pre-concealed carry, and cops were really sensitive about firearms in the car. My pistol was sitting on the passenger seat with the slide locked open and no magazine in it. When he walked up to the car, I had both windows down, and I was sitting dead still with my hands on my head, fingers interlocked. When he asked for my license and insurance papers, I explained to him that I was coming home from the gun range, and my pistol was on the passenger seat. I then said that we would both be more comfortable if he held onto it while we talked. He walked behind the car to the passenger side, looked into the window, picked up the pistol and hooked it in his belt. He then walked back to my side of the car, and I gave him my license and insurance info.

He ran my info, and we talked for a few minutes. He wanted to compare my S&W 659 with his Browning High Power. I offered to meet him at the range if he wanted to try it.

He let me go with a warning. And he thanked me for being so overly careful about the pistol on the seat.

It is good to be nice to cops. They have an incredibly tough job. Normal people don't need to make it any harder.

Clay

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 9 2021, 07:31 AM

Handled perfectly Clay. I always say there is no need to kiss the cops butt, just be polite, respectful and honest. Something a relatively small percentage of our society will never understand or get.

Posted by: 930cabman Apr 9 2021, 08:43 AM

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Handled perfectly Clay. I always say there is no need to kiss the cops butt, just be polite, respectful and honest. Something a relatively small percentage of our society will never understand or get.


+1, a land without law and order is chaos, I am not interested in living there. Very basic to simply respect an officer of the law, over 95% of cops are great guys just trying to protect us

Posted by: veltror Apr 9 2021, 09:06 AM

QUOTE(Arno914 @ Apr 6 2021, 07:34 AM) *

...come to Germany where the Autobahn is... biggrin.gif

Actually we have some unrestricted stretches left on our Autobahn´s, but traffic usually is to heavy and with all those electronic helpers in nowadays vehicles the number of stupid drivers is increasing rapidly. Smartphone related accidents have outnumbered drunk driving accidents here. Mostly head on crashes, wrong lane - oops.

The "Green Party" (I´d rather call them socialists barf.gif ) is pushing hard on a general speed limit and chances are quite high they finally get through with it after the next elections in September. This is one of their main emphasis besides "saving the climate". Our car industry has suffered some hard blows recently with the (forced) switch to "electric" and the "diesel gate". Still - our Autobahns are by far the safest roads and I - and many others - hope they dont get the speed limit through.

Greets, Arno


The difference is in Germany most have good autobahn etiquette, overtake then pull in. This is not the case in many places, whilst I was living in the US i saw so much bad stupid driving at very low speeds so the fixation on speeds is ridiculous.

I sat at 140mph on an Autobahn for quite some time, no issues apart from when I had to pull over to allow some Audi A8 to cruise by.

The green Party are a bunch of tofu munching morons want an all out war on the motorist and need to be stopped. They are using this climate change malarkey to push their stupid agenda. here in the uk we have another bunch of cretins who are pushing their "20 is plenty" mantra to reduce speeds even more. If they succeed with that it should be mandatory that this extended to Ambulances and Fire Brigade so when they or a family member die etc due to a slow response then they can actually say that they don't care.

The war on the motorist is getting ridiculous together with these Electric car Zealots...

What we really need is an engine that is fuelled by the tears of Greta...

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 9 2021, 10:16 AM

QUOTE(veltror @ Apr 9 2021, 11:06 AM) *



. . . whilst I was living in the US i saw so much bad stupid driving at very low speeds so the fixation on speeds is ridiculous.



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Having lived in Europe, and traveled extensively with experience on both the German Autobahn and the Italian Autostrade's . . . you don't even know the 1/2 of it here in the US. av-943.gif

US drivers are among the worst in the world.

Posted by: jd74914 Apr 9 2021, 10:47 AM

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 9 2021, 11:16 AM) *

Having lived in Europe, and traveled extensively with experience on both the German Autobahn and the Italian Autostrade's . . . you don't even know the 1/2 of it here in the US. av-943.gif

Of course when you get off the Autostrade particularly as you go south or to Sicily...some parts make US drivers look good. laugh.gif

Posted by: jim912928 Apr 9 2021, 03:11 PM

Nice summer day....heading home from work (around 7pm)...just got on a divided freeway. Was in my 928, tunes playing, sunroof open....nobody in front of me nor behind me until...flashing lights and a bleep of a siren. I was pulled over by a state cop. He walked up (turns out he was heading down an onramp while I buzzed by) and asked if I new how fast I was going...I politely replied that I really didn't and was just enjoying the drive home from work on a nice day. He said he was doing 95 when he entered onto the freeway and I was still pulling away! I'm thinking oh shit, reckless driving and I'm going to jail....he stepped back and looked at the car then said: I loved this car in the movie Risky Business, I'd hate to see you and this car wrapped around a tree....slow down and have a nice evening. He then turned, walked away, drove off and beeped his horn when he went passed me!

Posted by: mepstein Apr 9 2021, 03:20 PM

I’ve gotten off with warnings just by being polite and honest (hard for me but you know...). The last one when I made a rolling stop at a stop sign (no cars, back road) the cop said he was just looking for drunk drivers and said have a nice night.

Posted by: eric9144 Apr 9 2021, 04:38 PM

Just want to set the record straight, it wasn't me, I have a license dancinnanner.gif

Posted by: eric9144 Apr 9 2021, 04:40 PM

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 8 2021, 09:48 AM) *

It is good to be nice to cops. They have an incredibly tough job. Normal people don't need to make it any harder.

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Posted by: worn Apr 9 2021, 07:49 PM

QUOTE(eric9144 @ Apr 9 2021, 02:40 PM) *

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 8 2021, 09:48 AM) *

It is good to be nice to cops. They have an incredibly tough job. Normal people don't need to make it any harder.

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Driving more than sixty years without a ticket, though once I forgot to put on new tabs. I think it is frightening to have to pull over random nut jobs as part of everyday work.
But I have for many years wondered how much you have to break the law to deserve to be in the left lane (you hardly ever find me there). So, a person is in urban traffic and passing car after car at ten mph over the limit. Someone comes behind them wanting to do twenty over. Does the latter have a beef because the former won’t duck into the right lane? Don’t tell me this isn’t real because it is. There is no Autobahn anywhere in the US. Get into Montana or the Dakotas or maybe Delaware and sure, the highway beckons. I am tired of having some big ass vehicle inches from my bumper when I have only one ton to their three.

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 10 2021, 08:24 AM

QUOTE(worn @ Apr 9 2021, 09:49 PM) *


But I have for many years wondered how much you have to break the law to deserve to be in the left lane (you hardly ever find me there). So, a person is in urban traffic and passing car after car at ten mph over the limit. Someone comes behind them wanting to do twenty over. Does the latter have a beef because the former won’t duck into the right lane? Don’t tell me this isn’t real because it is.


That's an odd way to put it. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=13152 -- the following is not directed at you. Rather attempting to answer the question you posed and as a commentary on observed traffic behavior, not your personal behavior.

Simply put, the left lane is a passing lane. This is where lane discipline in Europe or even our neighbors in Canada seem to have a better grasp of traffic flow and common courtesty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_lane#:~:text=Common%20practice%20and%20most%20law,to%20traffic%20wishing%20to%20overtake.

"Common practice and most law on United States highways is that the left lane is reserved for passing and faster moving traffic, and that traffic using the left lane must yield to traffic wishing to overtake.

The United States Uniform Vehicle Code states:

Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ...

It is also illegal in many states in the US to use the "far left" or passing lane on a major highway as a traveling lane (as opposed to passing), or to fail to yield to faster moving traffic that is attempting to overtake in that lane. For example, Colorado's "Left Lane Law" states:

A person shall not drive a motor vehicle in the passing lane of a highway if the speed-limit is sixty-five miles per hour

or more unless such person is passing other motor-vehicles that are in a non-passing lane...[1]"

Unfortunately in the US, this is a law that the police choose not to enforce in favor of simply sitting in the median and clocking traffic. The offense of "speeding" is much easier to enforce and yields more $$/hr for various jurisdictions than enforcemnt of proper lane use would. As a result we now have a large swath of the population that is paralyzed with fear of "speeding" and then decide that since they are doing the speed limit, they might just as well spread out across all available lanes. To hell with the proper use of a passing lane.

Posted by: worn Apr 13 2021, 08:40 AM

I hear you, but in my scenario the slower driver was using the left lane to pass. It passed one car and then although it could then squeeze over it would have to slow down to avoid the next car right ahead in the right lane - that he would pass rather quickly if he simply stayed in the left lane. When this happens to me I am in my 2200 lb car and have a pickup truck so close behind me I cannot see the windshield in my rear view mirror. Personally, I would probably just pull over to the right and accept the fact that I am gonna have to slow down.
I am not gonna say teeners shouldn't speed, because driving fast is one reason to have a sports car (although driving the limit in a 914 is a ton of fun more than breaking the law in an SUV). I will say that we lose a lot of young and promising people every year in car crashes and almost every traffic fatality would have been avoided if all of the rules were followed.
Where we probably agree is that as a group 914 owners probably actually like driving and take it more seriously than those relying on lane assist and other props that enable careless driving.

Posted by: worn Apr 13 2021, 08:44 AM

I should add that I very much agree that traffic shouldn't be a spread out melee. I hate people weaving in and out of traffic swerving through all of the lanes as their fancy takes them. You are right that the proper lane for passing should be the left.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 13 2021, 08:54 AM

At my age and experience driving, rather than get into a "game of chicken" with people on the highway, I just stay to the right when possible. If I am in the far left lane and some vehicle starts rapidly closing on me, I put on my right turn signal and move to the right to allow them to pass. I would rather avoid problems and just drive down the road.

We have a lot of lifted, large 4x4 trucks with wheels protruding well beyond their fender lips (illegal) that climb on the rear bumper of anyone who dare not yield right of way.

Back in the day, police officers took pride in knowing the Vehicle Code and enforcing those type of violations. (If you have ever had one of those douches pass you and toss a rock into your windshield and crack it, you know what I mean.)


Posted by: 73-914 Apr 13 2021, 09:13 AM

QUOTE(jd74914 @ Apr 9 2021, 12:47 PM) *

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 9 2021, 11:16 AM) *

Having lived in Europe, and traveled extensively with experience on both the German Autobahn and the Italian Autostrade's . . . you don't even know the 1/2 of it here in the US. av-943.gif

Of course when you get off the Autostrade particularly as you go south or to Sicily...some parts make US drivers look good. laugh.gif

Northern Italy, only place I saw "No blowing horn" signs LOL

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 13 2021, 09:25 AM

QUOTE(73-914 @ Apr 13 2021, 11:13 AM) *

QUOTE(jd74914 @ Apr 9 2021, 12:47 PM) *

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 9 2021, 11:16 AM) *

Having lived in Europe, and traveled extensively with experience on both the German Autobahn and the Italian Autostrade's . . . you don't even know the 1/2 of it here in the US. av-943.gif

Of course when you get off the Autostrade particularly as you go south or to Sicily...some parts make US drivers look good. laugh.gif

Northern Italy, only place I saw "No blowing horn" signs LOL


Horn and waiving hands out the window is part of the Italian signaling strategy. laugh.gif

Posted by: Jamie Apr 13 2021, 12:14 PM

I have spent many years driving interstates and pulling a 43' 5th wheel trailer in my photography business. Now retired but still frequently traveling, sometimes in my 914, or my Cayman or Cayenne, the interstates are clogged with drivers, often women, cruising in their private left lane while talking on a cell phone. Amazing how often several cars will stack up behind them, and the right lane is empty! This is perhaps a result of some driving like its a competition, or a birthright of being an exceptional driver, and I will often pass the fools by going to the real cruising right hand lane. confused24.gif

Posted by: 930cabman Apr 13 2021, 12:31 PM

We are Americans, and many Americans are just plain stoopid. Operating a motor vehicle is probably the most dangerous activity the average person will undertake, and a large percentage of us here in the good US of A do not have a clue how to drive. I see it everyday

Posted by: Superhawk996 Apr 13 2021, 01:21 PM

QUOTE(930cabman @ Apr 13 2021, 02:31 PM) *

We are Americans, and many Americans are just plain stoopid. Operating a motor vehicle is probably the most dangerous activity the average person will undertake, and a large percentage of us here in the good US of A do not have a clue how to drive. I see it everyday


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Posted by: AZBanks Apr 13 2021, 04:12 PM

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 13 2021, 12:21 PM) *

QUOTE(930cabman @ Apr 13 2021, 02:31 PM) *

We are Americans, and many Americans are just plain stoopid. Operating a motor vehicle is probably the most dangerous activity the average person will undertake, and a large percentage of us here in the good US of A do not have a clue how to drive. I see it everyday


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Being an "average" driver in the US is nothing to brag about. stirthepot.gif

Posted by: wonkipop Apr 13 2021, 08:26 PM

QUOTE(Jamie @ Apr 13 2021, 12:14 PM) *

I have spent many years driving interstates and pulling a 43' 5th wheel trailer in my photography business. Now retired but still frequently traveling, sometimes in my 914, or my Cayman or Cayenne, the interstates are clogged with drivers, often women, cruising in their private left lane while talking on a cell phone. Amazing how often several cars will stack up behind them, and the right lane is empty! This is perhaps a result of some driving like its a competition, or a birthright of being an exceptional driver, and I will often pass the fools by going to the real cruising right hand lane. confused24.gif


global problem.

local response (aus).

(beyond talking on phones here - they text and read).

https://www.drive.com.au/news/victoria-flicks-the-switch-on-mobile-phone-detection-cameras-is-queensland-next--125391.html

Posted by: bbrock Apr 13 2021, 10:39 PM

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 13 2021, 12:21 PM) *

QUOTE(930cabman @ Apr 13 2021, 02:31 PM) *

We are Americans, and many Americans are just plain stoopid. Operating a motor vehicle is probably the most dangerous activity the average person will undertake, and a large percentage of us here in the good US of A do not have a clue how to drive. I see it everyday


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You are an engineer so I can't let this slide. You are assuming driver "goodness" is normally distributed. We don't know that. Given how astronomically bad the worst drivers are, the distribution could easily be skewed and 73% of driver could indeed be better than the average. Now if 73% of drivers think they are better than the median driver, 23% would be wrong regardless of distribution. Just a little statistics 101 because, come on now, we are better than average. biggrin.gif

Posted by: jd74914 Apr 14 2021, 07:12 AM

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You are an engineer so I can't let this slide. You are assuming driver "goodness" is normally distributed. We don't know that. Given how astronomically bad the worst drivers are, the distribution could easily be skewed and 73% of driver could indeed be better than the average. Now if 73% of drivers think they are better than the median driver, 23% would be wrong regardless of distribution. Just a little statistics 101 because, come on now, we are better than average. biggrin.gif

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