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Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 21 2005, 12:10 AM
I'm not sure about you, but I've been looking around at the cost and availability of engine compartment seals, and I'm amazed at how expensive these are. Mine were all baked off from a fire, and I must replace all.
I can make these, but to break even on the die I need to find 40 people that would buy them at $50.
I might just have them made if there is enough serious interest.
I'm not sure that there's that much interest, that's why I thought I might post this to see.
Also as I understand there are 2 different seals I above the engine, and the other 3 sides are the same.
If all 4 are the same the cost would be significantly less as only one die would be required.
I'm not looking to get rich, I just want to get some parts at a more reasonable cost.
-Mark
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 21 2005, 10:35 AM
i think that's a great idea! 
i for one would buy a set. mine are not too bad but have a few cracks. good used ones are hard to come by ...
i'd buy a set for $50 ...
as for the top seal, i *think* they're all the same. someone else hopefully chimes in here ...
Andy
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 21 2005, 10:38 AM
if by "top" you mean the rear... it's differentvery different
I'd be in for $50... that's 1/4 the price! and the front is NLA, but it's just like the sides in profile... only longer
Posted by: lapuwali Jul 21 2005, 11:05 AM
I'd buy a set at that price, now that I'm sticking with air-cooled power...
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 21 2005, 11:05 AM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jul 21 2005, 09:38 AM) |
| if by "top" you mean the rear... it's different very different |
i thought he meant "there are 2 different versions of the TOP seal" ...
to which i replied "i don't think so" ...
but yes, the TOP seal is different than the 3 surrounding seals ...
Andy
Posted by: tdgray Jul 21 2005, 11:53 AM
Count me in 
All of mine were trashed.... was not looking forward to paying the major price for 'em.
Posted by: SpecialK Jul 21 2005, 05:41 PM
Yes!
only 35 to go!
Posted by: Grimstead Jul 21 2005, 05:49 PM
| QUOTE (Special_K @ Jul 21 2005, 04:41 PM) |
| Yes! only 35 to go! |
34 to go....
Posted by: rjkavanagh Jul 21 2005, 05:55 PM
I'm in for a set
Posted by: scotty b Jul 21 2005, 06:02 PM
I'm in for 2 sets at that price 'Course I've been waiting for ever for a 904 gauge 
Posted by: watsonrx13 Jul 21 2005, 06:10 PM
Mikey, I just bought the 3 sides, but was fortunate to be able to reuse the rear. Even though I don't need a set today, I think this is a great price and product that the 914 community would definately use.
Posted by: Blau914 Jul 21 2005, 06:11 PM
I'll buy a set if it makes a difference.
Posted by: firstknight13 Jul 21 2005, 06:14 PM
ok if i'm right 29
Posted by: guywan914 Jul 21 2005, 06:17 PM
Count on me, car is starting to go back together soon [ right]
Posted by: Marty Yeoman Jul 21 2005, 06:27 PM
My engine is coming out this winter.
Count me in for a set.
Posted by: scruz914 Jul 21 2005, 06:36 PM
$50 is a great price. But if this deal doesn't work out, Don at GPR sells the set (all 4) for $80.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=24783
I bought a set from him. Good fit and quality.
-Jeff
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 21 2005, 07:09 PM
Sounds like there is enough interest. Does anyone have some dead seals that about 2" would be good. I need to get samples for production.
Posted by: Qarl Jul 21 2005, 08:37 PM
| QUOTE |
| Does anyone have some dead seals that about 2" would be good. |
Sorry...
I couldn't resist
http://www.casanetworking.com/trippindave/images/Oregon%20Coast/pages/Dead_seal.jpg
Posted by: Lou W Jul 21 2005, 08:56 PM
I'm in for a set too
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 21 2005, 10:44 PM
Hey I know...you could buy my set (of three) on eeeeeBay right now...
No one has bid yet, but there are alot of people watching this auction. Someone might look into the other VW cars...busses?...any Karmann product that might be similar and use similar extrusions.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4563208962&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
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Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 22 2005, 12:39 AM
I just got a sample of the "zig zag" channel. Only need a sample of the other one now.
Posted by: Dominic Jul 22 2005, 09:17 AM
Count me in for a set
Posted by: type11969 Jul 22 2005, 10:41 AM
I'm in for a set.
Posted by: GWN7 Jul 22 2005, 10:42 AM
2 sets here
Posted by: porsche914blue Jul 22 2005, 12:19 PM
I'd take a set.
Posted by: Eddie Williams Jul 22 2005, 01:02 PM
I'd buy a set.
Posted by: Bill Shaw Jul 22 2005, 01:57 PM
I'm in for a set too. Looks like a landslide!
Posted by: echocanyons Jul 22 2005, 02:45 PM
I'm in for a set
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 22 2005, 03:04 PM
Anyone have a small section of the rear elisive seal?
Posted by: Grimstead Jul 22 2005, 03:25 PM
If this works out, how long are we talking. 
Just wondering...
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 23 2005, 01:43 AM
I need to submit final drawings, which I can do after I find a sample. 2-3 weeks for article of first extrusion, production rum about 2 weeks after. Should be able to start shipping 5-6 weeks, if the first runs looks good.
Posted by: redshift Jul 23 2005, 01:53 AM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jul 21 2005, 01:05 PM) | ||
i thought he meant "there are 2 different versions of the TOP seal" ... to which i replied "i don't think so" ... but yes, the TOP seal is different than the 3 surrounding seals ... Andy |
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Posted by: spiritedTreiber Jul 23 2005, 01:53 AM
I might be in for a set. have no clue what condition mine are in. never looked.
Posted by: RD Evans Jul 23 2005, 10:02 AM
Count me in for one set.
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 27 2005, 10:54 PM
UPDATE:
Have finished drawing on zigzag seal, awaiting inbound rear seal to start drawings for it. Will do tooling for both at same time.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 28 2005, 07:20 AM
| QUOTE (Mikey914 @ Jul 27 2005, 11:54 PM) |
| UPDATE: Have finished drawing on zigzag seal, awaiting inbound rear seal to start drawings for it. Will do tooling for both at same time. |
you still need a cross-section of the rear?
I'll cut a piece off mine if needed.
Posted by: maxwelj Jul 28 2005, 07:34 AM
I'd be in for a set as well. I do have a rear one for a pattern if you need it. It's a bit hard, but should be able to get the idea. the only question I have is if the /6 is the same as the /4?
Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 29 2005, 09:08 PM
Thanks, I understand that I have a sample inbound at this time. Should have beginning of next week.
Posted by: dmenche914 Jul 30 2005, 01:04 AM
The rear seal sure looks close in shape to that used on a VW Bug (old Bugs) U think one would work, although you might need two for the full length.
Question on the reproduction seals, what material will they be made out of? some rubbers survive the motor bay enviroment much better than others. Which rubber do you plan on using?
Posted by: tdgray Aug 11 2005, 08:40 AM
Any word on this project, might need some soon.
Posted by: Grimstead Sep 25 2005, 03:40 PM
| QUOTE (Mikey914 @ Jul 29 2005, 08:08 PM) |
| Thanks, I understand that I have a sample inbound at this time. Should have beginning of next week. |
Hey Mikey,
Is this still going forward or did it die a slow death?
I'm getting to the point where a could use a set and wanted to see how this was going for you?
Thanks,
BIll
Posted by: mharrison Sep 25 2005, 04:12 PM
I could also use a set.
Let me know...
-Matt
Posted by: grasshopper Sep 25 2005, 06:18 PM
if it is still going, ill take a set too.
Posted by: turtleman Sep 25 2005, 09:14 PM
I will take a set.
GCW
Posted by: Twystd1 Sep 25 2005, 09:55 PM
I am in for two..
Just tell me where and when to send the money.......
I think this would be a great idea for all of us...
Regards,
Twystd1
Posted by: Gint Sep 26 2005, 08:18 AM
I'd take two sets also.
I emailed Mikey914 to let him know that there was renewed interest and folks asking about status. We'll see...
Posted by: Marty Yeoman Sep 27 2005, 01:01 PM
Yea, what's going on with this.
Any further progress???
Posted by: Brando Sep 27 2005, 06:27 PM
If there will be a production run for these, put me down for a complete set.
Posted by: arc914 Oct 3 2005, 01:28 PM
Put me down for a set. my engine is out and will be in by the end of winter.
arc914
Posted by: jdogg Oct 3 2005, 02:31 PM
I'm up for a set as well....but soon!!!!
Posted by: Hammy Oct 3 2005, 05:01 PM
If these will be ready in the next month or so, I'd be in for a set.
But what's the status?
Posted by: Grimstead Oct 3 2005, 05:13 PM
i'm thinking that by the lack of a responce, this is a dead issue. 
Posted by: bottomend Oct 3 2005, 08:56 PM
Engine is out and I'm rebuilding it. good time for new seals... is this still happening?
Posted by: 9146986 Oct 4 2005, 07:42 AM
I'm thinking that he's found out a extrusion die is going to cost him between $1500-$3000! So, for 50 sets it's going to cost an average of $50 each just for the tooling. Just a guess, but I've got some extrusion die purchasing experience
Posted by: Vacca Rabite Oct 4 2005, 07:45 AM
I am in for a set.
Zach
Posted by: tdgray Oct 4 2005, 07:52 AM
Three letters gents.... GPR - $80.00 set. Can't beat that with a stick.
Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 20 2006, 11:36 PM
Well it's not dead yet. I finnally got the bugs worked out. I looked at several vendors and when it came time to cut dies prices went up, or there was some other issue. After looking at high temp silicone, and several other materials. Original rubber is the best for abrasion resistance, resistance to oil&gas, and cost.
The die costs are steep enough that I only want to cut one at a time. It makes sense to cut the die for the front and sides first. Pricing will be about the same.
I can to one left, one right and the front for $40 + $8.10 flat rate priority mail for all 3.
Before there was enough interest, If there is about the same amount of interest I will cut the first die.
Time frame is 2 weeks for the die, production run about 2 more weeks. Payment will be when they are ready to ship.
Who's still in?
Posted by: JOHNMAN Feb 20 2006, 11:56 PM
I would focus on the rear seal since that is the one NLA.
Pelican has the two sides and front for $44.25
Posted by: markb Feb 21 2006, 12:10 AM
| QUOTE (JOHNMAN @ Feb 20 2006, 09:56 PM) |
| I would focus on the rear seal since that is the one NLA. |
Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 21 2006, 01:18 AM
Maybe the upper rear is the way to go. I couldn't find the listing for the seals you referenced at Pelican. I started this project as I was frustrated at having to buy short seals and wasn't able to find the front one. I'm sure that at the very least some other member will benifit.
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