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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 21 2005, 01:26 AM
Maybe Saturn coupes may have been the last to get the word... <!-- emo&:screwy: -->
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As I have said before, the "signal" light pods are a unique characteristic of the 914 design. Making them house headlights will give them a higher purpose than signaling and join the modern "smaller" lighting trend. This and using the existing headlight space where the radiators will mount are why I chose this location. Legal? We'll see if they figure it out... <!-- emo&:lol: -->
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the "rise and fall" of http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=90916&view=findpost&p=1112489:
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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 21 2005, 01:26 AM
Nip and Tuck...
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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 21 2005, 01:30 AM
Voila! Don't worry, they are weather sealed and the fender will be wider, thanks Andrew so they will fit. Just need those clear lenses, Bruce?
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Posted by: Rand Jul 21 2005, 01:40 AM
Cool. I've been planning on trying to fit projector beams in the turn signal buckets for a while now. Most of the lights I have found were a bit too big to fit... I thought about stretching the bucket. I keep searching for smaller lights (maybe from some of the newer motorcycles)...... haven't found the perfect solution yet. I hope you beat me to it and post your results!!!! 
Posted by: sj914 Jul 21 2005, 01:53 AM
I thought you couldn't cover your headlights with a lense unless it came that way.
Posted by: fiid Jul 21 2005, 01:59 AM
Dude - that kicks ass. Keep the picss coming. What was the donor car?
Posted by: Dr. Roger Jul 21 2005, 02:05 AM
Now THAT really does rock. =-)
Donor vechicle is???
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 21 2005, 02:10 AM
| QUOTE (sj914 @ Jul 20 2005, 11:53 PM) |
| I thought you couldn't cover your headlights with a lense unless it came that way. |
| QUOTE |
| Legal? We'll see if they figure it out... |
I've done some research...
and there will be more development
Posted by: dakotaewing Jul 21 2005, 06:20 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Jul 21 2005, 03:10 AM) | ||||
I've done some research... and there will be more development |
That is weak....
Thom
Posted by: SGB Jul 21 2005, 06:44 AM
To Two Too 2 Keyule!
Posted by: airsix Jul 21 2005, 10:19 AM
| QUOTE (sj914 @ Jul 20 2005, 11:53 PM) |
| I thought you couldn't cover your headlights with a lense unless it came that way. |
Don't give up so easily! I'm trying to figure out how to get a March F3000 licenced for the street and you want to give up over headlight covers? You've got to try harder than that.
Step 1: Realization that logic and sanity are not mutually exclusive.
-Ben M. (insane in the membrane...)
ps - Felix - AWESOME stuff!!!
Posted by: fiid Jul 21 2005, 10:26 AM
I was thinking of doing this... I had an idea to spray the inside of the pod assy black, and just put a sheet of plexiglas over the front. How are you planning to protect the back of the assembly from road grime? Plexi would not be a lens so it shouldn't be a problem right? It also wouldn't ruin the projection pattern of the HID.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 21 2005, 10:30 AM
way cool!
like the 914 drawings motortrend did last year...could be cool!
Posted by: bondo Jul 21 2005, 10:30 AM
Sweet! Once the design is done I bet you could sell those. 
Posted by: MikeP Jul 21 2005, 11:36 AM
I know a guy locally with a plastic vaccuum mold. We could smooth out the lense and use it as a mold so you'd have all the right contour but no distortion.
Posted by: Rand Jul 21 2005, 12:09 PM
What are you planning on doing for front turn signals? I was thinking a small amber LED cluster would still fit nicely in the bucket. How are you rigging up the aim adjustments? Can't wait to see them in the car!
Posted by: nocones Jul 21 2005, 12:39 PM
Ahh...
Add me to the list of foks planning that same mod.
Happy to see someone else making some progress.
Looks very nice so far.
So what was the source for those HIDs?
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 21 2005, 12:51 PM
Mike,
That sounds great, I considered forming new lenses. My plan is to have the original lenses modified so I can keep the original shape and seal. A fellow member is experimenting with filling in the "flutes" and maybe mold crystal clear lenses. I was going to dremel the features but that takes some skill and a good eye. I've seen how "craftsman" fix distored jet plane canopies under an optical grid. "Clear enough" is good for this application.
Y'all might want to try PIAA x1100's, the bodies might be smaller. I was going to use them but want to stick with as much German or OEM parts as I can. The Hellas DE Xenon are aftermarket, fully sealed ,and designed for "new" applications. Not cheap but I'll bet you can find similar parts in several German sedans. A production version or kit is always possible, just not in the schedule yet.
Posted by: MikeP Jul 21 2005, 12:56 PM
I was thinking saw off the seal and use the new vac molded piece over it.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 21 2005, 12:59 PM
I hate to be a wet blanket.. but how are you going to keep the factory 914 clear lenses from melting?????
It will be cool looking if it works!!!!
Posted by: airsix Jul 21 2005, 04:43 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 21 2005, 10:59 AM) |
| I hate to be a wet blanket.. but how are you going to keep the factory 914 clear lenses from melting????? It will be cool looking if it works!!!! |
Those HIDs are 25w. There's a good chance they won't heat it too much. I'd still do a test with an old broken lens though - Clay might be right. I know a 10w HID will discolor a lexan cover if there isn't enough clearance (say an inch or so).
-Ben M.
Posted by: mattillac Jul 21 2005, 04:47 PM
that's tight! 
stealthy.
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 21 2005, 04:52 PM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 21 2005, 10:59 AM) |
| I hate to be a wet blanket.. but how are you going to keep the factory 914 clear lenses from melting????? It will be cool looking if it works!!!! |
Those are the needling type of questions my wife complains about, are you an engineer?
These are fully sealed units, except they have two rubber boots (you can see them in the pics) that are probably for vent. Worse case, I will run a small plastic tube to to airflow for ventilation. Heat pipes could be used as well. If Bruce molds the lenses, he should be able to find a more UV and heat resistance material. That or I will need extra sets to replace periodically,
My first task is to package them and make them adjustable. The supplied mounts allow this but they need to be adapted to the bucket. Sealing will be next and then
to see if it can be done simpler...
Posted by: redshift Jul 21 2005, 04:59 PM
Coolness! I have thought of a similar kind of thing, but hell, I ain't done nuthin'.
M!
Posted by: guywan914 Jul 21 2005, 06:33 PM
Yes very interesting indeed! I too have had the same plan but not the time to work on it. Definately keep us posted!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Jeroen Jul 22 2005, 01:50 AM
Hate to ask, but...
what are you gonna use for indicators?
why don't you mount them in the headlight buckets and use a flush mounted piece of lexan instead of the stock headlight door
Posted by: GWN7 Jul 22 2005, 02:15 AM
The trial lens will be in the mail next week to see if they will stand up against the heat.
What I did was fill the test lens that Felix sent me with a clear UV stable material that I have been experimenting with. It should fill the fluted interior and create a smooth look to the lens. Also it should strengthen the existing lens to withstand the heat. This is the first test to see if it works.
To create a new style lens with the characteristics that Felix described in his emails to me. I will have to create a mold of the exterior of the lens and then a new style interior mold of the filled lens.
To do the exterior portion is the easy part. All I need is a perfect copy of a lens to create it.
The interior is the hard part. Any imperfections are duplicated when you make a mold. So filing the flutes away might not be possible. A CNC machine with mapping capabilities would be perfect. Create a new smooth interior out of metal and then cast the mold from that.
The following picture is of the sample foglight lens I made from the new material.
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Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 22 2005, 05:50 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Jul 21 2005, 04:52 PM) | ||
Those are the needling type of questions my wife complains about, are you an engineer? These are fully sealed units, except they have two rubber boots (you can see them in the pics) that are probably for vent. Worse case, I will run a small plastic tube to to airflow for ventilation. Heat pipes could be used as well. If Bruce molds the lenses, he should be able to find a more UV and heat resistance material. That or I will need extra sets to replace periodically, My first task is to package them and make them adjustable. The supplied mounts allow this but they need to be adapted to the bucket. Sealing will be next and then to see if it can be done simpler... |
Does an MCSE count as a 'real' engineer????
Actually I am what my grandfather called a "jackleg engineer". That means that I can build stuff, but don't ask me to make drawings of how I did it. My father is a retired automtoive engineer, so I may have picked up some of his habits over the years.
I am following this thread to see if it works. It will be really cool if it does.
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 22 2005, 09:25 AM
| QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jul 21 2005, 11:50 PM) |
| Hate to ask, but... what are you gonna use for indicators? why don't you mount them in the headlight buckets and use a flush mounted piece of lexan instead of the stock headlight door |
I answered both of those questions...
1. mount indicators at Euro running lights, add mirror lights (they are like SPA copies)
2. My Boxster radiators will take up that room and covered lights don't have a modern look IMHO
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 22 2005, 09:37 AM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 22 2005, 03:50 AM) |
| Does an MCSE count as a 'real' engineer???? Actually I am what my grandfather called a "jackleg engineer". That means that I can build stuff, but don't ask me to make drawings of how I did it. My father is a retired automtoive engineer, so I may have picked up some of his habits over the years. I am following this thread to see if it works. It will be really cool if it does. |
I like that name "jackleg".
It will work for my purposes, it's plug and play after I sort out the mounting. I'm not worried about the optics. I will mount another, at least the fog version in the bumper if need be.
Felix
Posted by: GWN7 Jul 28 2005, 10:57 PM
Here's the lens filled. You can slightly see the ribs still and there must have been a bit of loose paper in the chamber. It's is imbedded in the material. In the mail back to you in the PM to test.
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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 28 2005, 11:11 PM
Thanks Bruce! 
Posted by: Mueller Jul 29 2005, 12:03 AM
interesting
what you want is "optically" clear plastic (polycarbonate or acrylic)....when bent/formed the light rays are not "bent" or diffussed too much (fighter pilot cockpit or bubble of a helicopter)
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 29 2005, 12:36 AM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Jul 28 2005, 10:03 PM) |
| interesting what you want is "optically" clear plastic (polycarbonate or acrylic)....when bent/formed the light rays are not "bent" or diffussed too much (fighter pilot cockpit or bubble of a helicopter) |
True:
| QUOTE |
| I've seen how "craftsman" fix distorted jet plane canopies under an optical grid. "Clear enough" is good for this application. |
We're working with what's readily available and building proof of concept first...taking it to production worthy is another big step.
"Concept" car allows all the waivers.
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 31 2005, 12:55 AM
| QUOTE (dakotaewing @ Jul 21 2005, 04:20 AM) | ||||||
That is weak.... Thom |
Haven't found anything here to get me in legal trouble, the bottom of the signal lense is 22". Besides, I will make them look "factory". Maybe NHTSA has more restrictions..
Vehicle Code
Headlamps on Motor Vehicles
24400. (a) During darkness, every motor vehicle other than a motorcycle, shall be equipped with at least two lighted headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the vehicle, and, except as to vehicles registered prior to January 1, 1930, they shall be located directly above or in advance of the front axle of the vehicle. The headlamps and every light source in any headlamp unit shall be located at a height of not more than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches.
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This section shall become inoperative on July 1, 2005, and, as of January 1, 2006, is repealed, unless a later enacted statute that is enacted before January 1, 2006, deletes or extends the dates on which it becomes inoperative and is repealed. Amended Ch. 13, Stats. 1991. Effective February 13, 1991.
Amended and repealed Sec. 1, Ch. 415, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005. Repeal operative January 1, 2006.
The 2004 amendment added the italicized material.
NOTE: The preceding section becomes inoperative on July 1, 2005, at which time the following section becomes operative. The preceding section is repealed January 1, 2006.
24400. (a) During darkness and inclement weather, a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, shall be equipped with at least two lighted headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the vehicle, and, except as to vehicles registered prior to January 1, 1930, they shall be located directly above or in advance of the front axle of the vehicle. The headlamps and every light source in any headlamp unit shall be located at a height of not more than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches.
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As used in subdivision (a), "inclement weather" is a weather condition that is either of the following:(1) A condition that prevents a driver of a motor vehicle from clearly discerning a person or another motor vehicle on the highway from a distance of 1,000 feet.
(2) A condition requiring the windshield wipers to be in continuous use due to rain, mist, snow, fog, or other precipitation or atmospheric moisture.
© This section shall become operative on July 1, 2005.
Added Sec. 2, Ch. 415, Stats. 2004. Effectve January 1, 2005. Operative July 1, 2005.
Vehicle Code
Use of Multiple Beams24409. Whenever a motor vehicle is being operated during darkness, the driver shall use a distribution of light, or composite beam, directed high enough and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a safe distance in advance of the vehicle, subject to the following requirements and limitations:(a) Whenever the driver of a vehicle approaches an oncoming vehicle within 500 feet, he shall use a distribution of light or composite beam so aimed that the glaring rays are not projected into the eyes of the oncoming driver. The lowermost distribution of light specified in this article shall be deemed to avoid glare at all times regardless of road contour. (
Whenever the driver of a vehicle follows another vehicle within 300 feet to the rear, he shall use the lowermost distribution of light specified in this article.Amended Ch. 37, Stats. 1965. Effective September 17, 1965.Vehicle Code
Upper and Lower Beam24407. Multiple-beam road lighting equipment shall be designed and aimed as follows: (a) There shall be an uppermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of such intensity as to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 350 feet ahead for all conditions of loading. (
There shall be a lowermost distribution of light, or composite beam so aimed and of sufficient intensity to reveal a person or vehicle at a distance of at least 100 feet ahead. On a straight level road under any condition of loading none of the high intensity portion of the beam shall be directed to strike the eyes of an approaching driver. Amended Ch. 547, Stats. 1963. Effective September 20, 1963.
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 31 2005, 12:58 AM
Strange, these smilies ( = B in parenthesis
For anyone researching alternatives, this is good data. Check out the parent directory too. http://uk.geocities.com/saab99tips/Electrics/Headlights_DesignerCoop.htm
Posted by: sj914 Jul 31 2005, 02:57 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Jul 30 2005, 10:55 PM) |
| Thom [/QUOTE] Haven't found anything here to get me in legal trouble, the bottom of the signal lense is 22". Besides, I will make them look "factory". Maybe NHTSA has more restrictions.. Vehicle Code Headlamps on Motor Vehicles 24400. (a) During darkness, every motor vehicle other than a motorcycle, shall be equipped with at least two lighted headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the vehicle, and, except as to vehicles registered prior to January 1, 1930, they shall be located directly above or in advance of the front axle of the vehicle. The headlamps and every light source in any headlamp unit shall be located at a height of not more than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches. ( This section shall become inoperative on July 1, 2005, and, as of January 1, 2006, is repealed, unless a later enacted statute that is enacted before January 1, 2006, deletes or extends the dates on which it becomes inoperative and is repealed. Amended Ch. 13, Stats. 1991. Effective February 13, 1991. Amended and repealed Sec. 1, Ch. 415, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005. Repeal operative January 1, 2006. The 2004 amendment added the italicized material. NOTE: The preceding section becomes inoperative on July 1, 2005, at which time the following section becomes operative. The preceding section is repealed January 1, 2006. 24400. (a) During darkness and inclement weather, a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, shall be equipped with at least two lighted headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the vehicle, and, except as to vehicles registered prior to January 1, 1930, they shall be located directly above or in advance of the front axle of the vehicle. The headlamps and every light source in any headlamp unit shall be located at a height of not more than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches. ( As used in subdivision (a), "inclement weather" is a weather condition that is either of the following:(1) A condition that prevents a driver of a motor vehicle from clearly discerning a person or another motor vehicle on the highway from a distance of 1,000 feet. (2) A condition requiring the windshield wipers to be in continuous use due to rain, mist, snow, fog, or other precipitation or atmospheric moisture. © This section shall become operative on July 1, 2005. Added Sec. 2, Ch. 415, Stats. 2004. Effectve January 1, 2005. Operative July 1, 2005. |
Felix,
Can you give a link to wear this info about the headlight requirements being taken out or modified.
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 31 2005, 02:59 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Jul 22 2005, 07:25 AM) | ||
I answered both of those questions... 1. mount indicators at Euro running lights, add mirror lights (they are like SPA copies) 2. My Boxster radiators will take up that room and covered lights don't have a modern look IMHO |
Here are my mirrors/additional indicators...
The shape is not too "aero" or rounded. The mount will also serve as the corner filler where the front rail "can" be mounted on the door. There is method to the madness....
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Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 31 2005, 03:10 AM
| QUOTE (sj914 @ Jul 31 2005, 12:57 AM) |
| [QUOTE=Neo914-6,Jul 30 2005, 10:55 PM] Thom [/QUOTE] Haven't found anything here to get me in legal trouble, the bottom of the signal lense is 22". Besides, I will make them look "factory". Maybe NHTSA has more restrictions.. Vehicle Code Headlamps on Motor Vehicles 24400. (a) During darkness, every motor vehicle other than a motorcycle, shall be equipped with at least two lighted headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the vehicle, and, except as to vehicles registered prior to January 1, 1930, they shall be located directly above or in advance of the front axle of the vehicle. The headlamps and every light source in any headlamp unit shall be located at a height of not more than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches. ( This section shall become inoperative on July 1, 2005, and, as of January 1, 2006, is repealed, unless a later enacted statute that is enacted before January 1, 2006, deletes or extends the dates on which it becomes inoperative and is repealed. Amended Ch. 13, Stats. 1991. Effective February 13, 1991. Amended and repealed Sec. 1, Ch. 415, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005. Repeal operative January 1, 2006. The 2004 amendment added the italicized material. NOTE: The preceding section becomes inoperative on July 1, 2005, at which time the following section becomes operative. The preceding section is repealed January 1, 2006. 24400. (a) During darkness and inclement weather, a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, shall be equipped with at least two lighted headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the vehicle, and, except as to vehicles registered prior to January 1, 1930, they shall be located directly above or in advance of the front axle of the vehicle. The headlamps and every light source in any headlamp unit shall be located at a height of not more than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches. ( As used in subdivision (a), "inclement weather" is a weather condition that is either of the following:(1) A condition that prevents a driver of a motor vehicle from clearly discerning a person or another motor vehicle on the highway from a distance of 1,000 feet. (2) A condition requiring the windshield wipers to be in continuous use due to rain, mist, snow, fog, or other precipitation or atmospheric moisture. © This section shall become operative on July 1, 2005. Added Sec. 2, Ch. 415, Stats. 2004. Effectve January 1, 2005. Operative July 1, 2005. [/QUOTE] Felix, Can you give a link to wear this info about the headlight requirements being taken out or modified. |
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/pubs.htm
Posted by: redshift Jul 31 2005, 04:52 AM
| QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 22 2005, 07:50 AM) |
| Actually I am what my grandfather called a "jackleg engineer". That means that I can build stuff, but don't ask me to make drawings of how I did it. |
Heh! Coolness! I am something of a renaissance jackleg.
M
Posted by: redshift Jul 31 2005, 04:57 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Jul 31 2005, 02:58 AM) |
| Strange, these smilies ( = B in parenthesis |
Funny as hell... it looks like you are being an ass... like..
(
Speed Limit 150... yeah right..(
Don't run thru house with scissors.. yeah right...(
Eat your vegetables... yeah right..heh
I love the ideas you have, I hope it's alot easier than it looks!
M
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 31 2005, 11:52 AM
| QUOTE (redshift @ Jul 31 2005, 02:57 AM) |
| I love the ideas you have, I hope it's alot easier than it looks! M |
| QUOTE |
| The mount will also serve as the corner filler where the front rail "can" be mounted on the door. There is method to the madness.... |
opps, more mad ideas are slipping out.
Thanks Miles
We need this smilie with a "Jackleg Engineering" sign
Posted by: Andyrew Jul 31 2005, 12:19 PM
Hey...
What are you going to use for side mirrors felix?
Andrew
Posted by: airsix Jul 31 2005, 12:34 PM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Jul 28 2005, 10:03 PM) |
| interesting what you want is "optically" clear plastic (polycarbonate or acrylic)....when bent/formed the light rays are not "bent" or diffussed too much (fighter pilot cockpit or bubble of a helicopter) |
This stuff Mike is talking about is really nice and the way to go IMHO. It's very easy to work with. With a little heat-gun application and a little compressed air you can quickly make a really nice domed lens. I've seen a couple of guys make homebuild aircraft canopies from scratch with it, and they came out beautifully. Very slick.
-Ben M.
Posted by: neo914-6 Jul 31 2005, 01:08 PM
| QUOTE (airsix @ Jul 31 2005, 10:34 AM) | ||
This stuff Mike is talking about is really nice and the way to go IMHO. It's very easy to work with. With a little heat-gun application and a little compressed air you can quickly make a really nice domed lens. I've seen a couple of guys make homebuild aircraft canopies from scratch with it, and they came out beautifully. Very slick. -Ben M. |
Yeah I've seen this done, maybe I'll try it for phase 2 unless you are willing to make a go of it? Join the cause!
I like these made for a Lotus Europa:
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Posted by: Dr. Roger Aug 7 2005, 11:09 PM
Hey Felix,
I haven't heard from you in a while so you MUST be working on your baby...
I hate to see this topic get pushed under the whatever ...
So I was surfing and I see the 928 Spyder and noted the headlights. They I thought of you.
I wonder what they use for the lenses.
Have you come up with a solution for your lenses?
Full pics http://www.spyderwerks.com/photo10big.html
Roger
Posted by: neo914-6 Aug 8 2005, 12:49 AM
Roger,
Actually had vacation time with the family and had to clean/organize my garage/workshop so I could find tools and parts.
I spent a little time on the lights today. I think I have the mounting worked out coming off the existing "U" mount. Side to side will be more of a bend" adjustment but there shouldn't be much left to right (yaw).
I got Bruce's filled lense and put them under a halogen light. It's heavy and the now convex lense didn't quite survive the shipping. I can't fit it because I have the Hella positioned "into" the concave part of the original lense. It's a test piece anyway and was planned to be sacrificed. If it works I have a new clear lense to fill. I notice all imperfections show so I think the lense will have to be crystal clear with no raised lettering or features. Here's an example of one from a track car where the owner had a communication signal bulb mounted in one of them. I forget if the lense is flat.
I will first mold a nice bezel and a lense cover later. That will assure they have good Hella optics. The Hellas are sealed and weatherproof already. There are alot of cars where people would put the covers on for looks (Alfa Duettos, 240Z's, Camaros)
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Posted by: GWN7 Aug 8 2005, 12:53 AM
I was wondering if it had arrived and if it worked......
Posted by: neo914-6 Aug 8 2005, 01:02 AM
| QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Aug 7 2005, 09:09 PM) |
| So I was surfing and I see the 928 Spyder and noted the headlights. They I thought of you. |
I think Rick Ollah (alien) worked on this car...
Posted by: Andyrew Aug 8 2005, 02:17 AM
Felix... great stuff!!!
Im thinking the same lines for my car...
Would be great for production....
Posted by: Rand Sep 14 2005, 06:30 PM
How's this coming?
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 14 2005, 06:48 PM
I haven't tested Bruce's filled lense sample for heat yet because I was told all clear resin cast parts will "yellow" from UV. This would affect clarity unless they were replaced regularly but then even my Mercedes inj. molded headlight surrounds yellow over time. To prove this I need to provide Bruce with a clear lense for clear UV stable resin. This may work fine for for my purposes as a "show" car but should be sorted for production.
A prototype shop gave me some these lense options:
-injection mold = $$$$$$$ (not hundreds)
-CNC block of clear plastic = $$$$$
-vacuum mold a few sets from a plastic sheet then machine mount = $$
-they will estimate further once they get a sample lense
Finally got a fender to test mount the assembly, thanks Mark and Jon...
Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 08:45 PM
how hard to make a glass lens???? 
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 14 2005, 08:45 PM
Keep us posted.
Im deciding on my car. (fg wont hold that big module but somthing could be welded from the side to hold it...)
Andrwe
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 14 2005, 08:49 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 14 2005, 06:45 PM) |
| how hard to make a glass lens???? |
More heat, higher temp molds and fixtures, material more difficult to machine, more brittle than plastic...
although maybe a glass blower...
Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 08:50 PM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 14 2005, 07:49 PM) | ||
More heat, higher temp molds and fixtures, material more difficult to machine, more brittle than plastic... although maybe a glass blower... |
cant you sand cast it????
or pour it into a large mold......
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 14 2005, 08:53 PM
| QUOTE (Andyrew @ Sep 14 2005, 06:45 PM) |
| Keep us posted. Im deciding on my car. (fg wont hold that big module but somthing could be welded from the side to hold it...) Andrwe |
It already has a U bracket, all you'd need is an L bracket on the body to mount it...
These are the fog versions that I'll mount in the bumper. Slightly different body and lense but the brackets are the same...
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Posted by: Rand Sep 14 2005, 09:03 PM
All the new cars have plastic covers over the HID lights. What are they using? Is the problem with material or proximity to the light source?
If the cover was a flat piece, it would be super easy and inexpensive to replace. I guess the problem with that is it wouldn't match the contour of the factory lens. So this begs the question....... who needs the factory contour, and who is OK with the CSOB flat piece that might need replacing if it yellows?
Just throwin' stuff out there.
Thanks Felix for working on this!!
Posted by: jonwatts Sep 14 2005, 09:15 PM
Like the single piece windows, any chance of finding an existing "close enough" and cutting it down for this purpose? I'm thinking Celica GT-S or similar here.
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 14 2005, 09:28 PM
Hey Jon, we think alike... 
I had the same thought of cutting down Celica assemblies but they are still quite larger ~4" for the signal pod. Plus the profile didn't match.
Just like the side glass, I stared at alot of car's headlights in parking lots
I liked the stacked lights on Caddy SRX but they were also too large.
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Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 14 2005, 09:44 PM
| QUOTE (Rand @ Sep 14 2005, 07:03 PM) |
| All the new cars have plastic covers over the HID lights. What are they using? Is the problem with material or proximity to the light source? If the cover was a flat piece, it would be super easy and inexpensive to replace. I guess the problem with that is it wouldn't match the contour of the factory lens. So this begs the question....... who needs the factory contour, and who is OK with the CSOB flat piece that might need replacing if it yellows? Just throwin' stuff out there. Thanks Felix for working on this!! |
I suspect Lexan or similar plastic material on OEM cars.
The pods are beautiful and prominent, why flatten them? My goal is to emphasize or add shape and form where possible.
Manufacturers have big budget, team engineered, 3D CAD designed, latest technology, DOT tested lights,
whereas I'm adapting available components in a very small area with existing shapes, and on a working man's time and budget...
...and enjoying it!
Posted by: jonwatts Sep 14 2005, 09:51 PM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 14 2005, 08:44 PM) |
| components in a very small area |
This statement should be underlined, in bold, and large print. For your sake I hope the amount of space between the lamp and cover of most modern HID setups is by choice and not necessity.
Posted by: GWN7 Sep 14 2005, 09:52 PM
The material that the sample is made of is suppost to be UV stable. That's why I wanted you to test it with the lamps your using. To see how it reacts to the possible heat/UV created by the lamps.
If it works I can move ahead with making a outside stock mold and then making a inside out of plaster/clay. Then carving the plaster/clay smooth. Then having it covered with ceramics.
This will give the clasic outside look with a clear inside (no flutes/lines) and be as thin as the stock lens.
The other option I thought of is with a glass blower. There is a high temp silicone that is used in metal casting. Make a outside mold out of it and then the inside part as described above. Then have a glass blower insert almost molten glass into the silicone part and stamp the glass with the ceramic portion. If this works this would give a stock clear glass lens without the flutes and lines. And a way to make replacement glass fog light lens....
The problems with this is how the ceramic & the silicone would react to the high temps of the molten glass. Also there is the problem of making the creamic insert.
As to sand casting....every imperfection in either the original or the sand will show up in the product. There is also the problem with molten glass being poured into wet sand (even slightly damp, which the sand has to be to hold it's shape) of the steam which is produced distorting the product making it unuseable. Not to mention how to make the inside smooth enough to be useable.
I've done sand casting...when metal is poured into it there are imprefections which are polished out later. One place I know of that uses cast metal pieces in their products receives them with lots of extra metal on them and then they are thrown into a "rock polisher" the size of a small car for several days to make the smooth enough to be used.
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The problem with these lenses are that they are a one off...if you went to a commercial plastic lens manufacture and told them you wanted 100,000 pairs they would prob eat most of the mold development costs (or hide it in the lens costs).
Anyone want 199,998 lenses?
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 14 2005, 10:56 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Sep 14 2005, 07:51 PM) | ||
This statement should be underlined, in bold, and large print. For your sake I hope the amount of space between the lamp and cover of most modern HID setups is by choice and not necessity. |
For practical purposes these lights have a sealed body and lense to use without a cover. My major concern is that they have enough light output and can be aimed properly for night driving.
The pod shaped lense is for aesthetics but one of the most challenging features. For mass availability, they would probably be still used as an alternative to colored signal lenses. You would have to be
to use it for HID headlights...
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 14 2005, 11:00 PM
| QUOTE (GWN7 @ Sep 14 2005, 07:52 PM) |
| The material that the sample is made of is suppost to be UV stable. That's why I wanted you to test it with the lamps your using. To see how it reacts to the possible heat/UV created by the lamps. If it works I can move ahead with making a outside stock mold and then making a inside out of plaster/clay. Then carving the plaster/clay smooth. Then having it covered with ceramics. This will give the clasic outside look with a clear inside (no flutes/lines) and be as thin as the stock lens. The other option I thought of is with a glass blower. There is a high temp silicone that is used in metal casting. Make a outside mold out of it and then the inside part as described above. Then have a glass blower insert almost molten glass into the silicone part and stamp the glass with the ceramic portion. If this works this would give a stock clear glass lens without the flutes and lines. And a way to make replacement glass fog light lens.... The problems with this is how the ceramic & the silicone would react to the high temps of the molten glass. Also there is the problem of making the creamic insert. As to sand casting....every imperfection in either the original or the sand will show up in the product. There is also the problem with molten glass being poured into wet sand (even slightly damp, which the sand has to be to hold it's shape) of the steam which is produced distorting the product making it unuseable. Not to mention how to make the inside smooth enough to be useable. I've done sand casting...when metal is poured into it there are imprefections which are polished out later. One place I know of that uses cast metal pieces in their products receives them with lots of extra metal on them and then they are thrown into a "rock polisher" the size of a small car for several days to make the smooth enough to be used. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem with these lenses are that they are a one off...if you went to a commercial plastic lens manufacture and told them you wanted 100,000 pairs they would prob eat most of the mold development costs (or hide it in the lens costs). Anyone want 199,998 lenses? |
Ok, I'll experiment with it this weekend. What should I look for, softening? I held it under a Halogen for a few minutes but I think it should be tested for hours, just not sure my porta-battery will last.
Did they even produce 100k 914's? I'll be surprised if you could sell 914 of them.
Posted by: GWN7 Sep 14 2005, 11:11 PM
Hook it up to the battery with it assembled....put the battery charger on the battery. see if the heat it produces distorts it. It shouldn't yellow.
Posted by: jonwatts Sep 14 2005, 11:22 PM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 14 2005, 09:56 PM) |
| For practical purposes these lights have a sealed body and lense to use without a cover. |
Right, but do they get hot?
Posted by: effutuo101 Sep 14 2005, 11:23 PM
What if you raked the angle of the turn signal back about 10-12 degrees. you could elongate the hole and fit the low/high beam and turn signal at the top or bottom. It might flow better with your NEO design..I would be happy to find a fender to see how it would look. i think in California, as long as the headlight is 18 inches above the ground you are ok
Posted by: Graphikhaus Sep 14 2005, 11:30 PM
Polycarbonate, aka "Lexan" is probably the easiest answer.
Low refraction, great clarity, (88% @ .125" thick), UV stable, easily glued, can be heat formed at around 350°F, soft enough to give without breaking.
It occured to me that the lense shape is roughly elliptical and an ellipse can be sliced out of a curved tube. I don't have the ideal diameter figured out yet, but I would guess around 3.5" OD, .125" wall Lexan tube. Cast tubing, not extruded.
Also, a lense that is taller or "rounder" (not as flat as the stock one) would achieve three things:
1. Less of an angle is presented to the light beam = less refraction.
2. Increased distance from the lamp = less chance of heat distortion.
3. Stronger, more spherical shape.
Big Doug
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Posted by: TonyAKAVW Sep 14 2005, 11:49 PM
How about injection molding? Hard to say how many it would take to pay for the die to be made, but you could have whatever shape you want.
-Tony
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 12:07 AM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Sep 14 2005, 09:22 PM) | ||
Right, but do they get hot? |
I'm not following your questions, all light has heat
Posted by: Dr. Roger Sep 15 2005, 12:08 AM
I think Big Doug has a heck of a good idea....
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 12:09 AM
| QUOTE (TonyAKAVW @ Sep 14 2005, 09:49 PM) |
| How about injection molding? Hard to say how many it would take to pay for the die to be made, but you could have whatever shape you want. -Tony |
Let's say you can buy a "really" nice 914 for how much it would cost. Can it be amortized with sales is the big question.
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 12:13 AM
| QUOTE (Graphikhaus @ Sep 14 2005, 09:30 PM) |
| Polycarbonate, aka "Lexan" is probably the easiest answer. Low refraction, great clarity, (88% @ .125" thick), UV stable, easily glued, can be heat formed at around 350°F, soft enough to give without breaking. It occured to me that the lense shape is roughly elliptical and an ellipse can be sliced out of a curved tube. I don't have the ideal diameter figured out yet, but I would guess around 3.5" OD, .125" wall Lexan tube. Cast tubing, not extruded. Also, a lense that is taller or "rounder" (not as flat as the stock one) would achieve three things: 1. Less of an angle is presented to the light beam = less refraction. 2. Increased distance from the lamp = less chance of heat distortion. 3. Stronger, more spherical shape. Big Doug |
Very nice thinking! Would cast be optically clear enough? I agree the lenses are quite flat. If I were to start with a new mold or CNC, I'd increase the profile for aesthetics but then it may unfavorably distort the beam...
Posted by: GWN7 Sep 15 2005, 12:16 AM
| QUOTE (TonyAKAVW @ Sep 14 2005, 09:49 PM) |
| How about injection molding? Hard to say how many it would take to pay for the die to be made, but you could have whatever shape you want. -Tony |
| QUOTE |
| A prototype shop gave me some these lense options: -injection mold = $$$$$$$ (not hundreds) -CNC block of clear plastic = $$$$$ -vacuum mold a few sets from a plastic sheet then machine mount = $$ |
If you insert a decimal point and put a 1 for each $$.......10k for a injection mold to be made
+ you have to have a "original" to make the mold off of
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 12:27 AM
| QUOTE (GWN7 @ Sep 14 2005, 10:16 PM) | ||||
If you insert a decimal point and put a 1 for each $$.......10k for a injection mold to be made + you have to have a "original" to make the mold off of |
Is that CAN$?
Let's see, if 100 of us put up $100 ea...
Anyone own an injection molding company?
Posted by: jonwatts Sep 15 2005, 12:27 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 14 2005, 11:07 PM) | ||
I'm not following your questions, all light has heat |
Well, you mentioned a few times that these were sealed units like it shouldn't matter how close the lens is to the cover you're trying to make. I'm thinking that they might throw off a lot of heat and that's why cars tend to not have them right up against the cover.
But really all this is bench racing that is keeping your from making any real progress. I sincerely suggest you stop listening to us (but please keep posting the updates!)
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Sep 15 2005, 12:30 AM
| QUOTE |
| Anyone own an injection molding company? |
yes actually... My father in law.... in Argentina.... where the peso is currently 1/3 of a dollar.....
-Tony
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 12:39 AM
| QUOTE (TonyAKAVW @ Sep 14 2005, 10:30 PM) | ||
yes actually... My father in law.... in Argentina.... where the peso is currently 1/3 of a dollar..... -Tony |
Then what are we waiting for?
Quando?
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 12:40 AM
Popped the bucket in the donor fender...
May start with another bucket to fit a signal bulb on top...
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Posted by: Dr. Roger Sep 15 2005, 12:47 AM
WOW.
Heck yea', Felix. Signal light in it too? Oh yea'... 
Posted by: porsche944Turbo Sep 15 2005, 12:49 AM
Hey felix, out of curiosity, is your last name Zuniga
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 15 2005, 12:53 AM
sweet! One is cool... I'd design for two...
but if one works, then heck. Lighter!!!
lol
keep us POSTED.
Andrew
Posted by: porsche944Turbo Sep 15 2005, 01:01 AM
hey andrew, is your friend's Felix's last name zuniga?
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 01:04 AM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Sep 14 2005, 10:27 PM) | ||||
Well, you mentioned a few times that these were sealed units like it shouldn't matter how close the lens is to the cover you're trying to make. I'm thinking that they might throw off a lot of heat and that's why cars tend to not have them right up against the cover. But really all this is bench racing that is keeping your from making any real progress. I sincerely suggest you stop listening to us (but please keep posting the updates!) |
I appreciate the questions and ideas, I must not be clear enough.
Here's some specs:
The Hella Micro DE Xenon Driving Light offers the benefits from Xenon lighting technology in the smallest possible design. This auxiliary driving lamp uses a Xenon bulb mounted in an extremely small, sturdy and temperature resistant magnesium housing with a Magnesium FF reflector that virtually guarantees optimal light distribution. With high light output for more vision and additional range, the Micro DE auxiliary driving lamp shines a light color similar to daylight to help provide the greatest possible safety during night travel. Lens is tempered glass.
DE light technology
The DE (triple-axle ellipsoid) light technology’s principle is similar to that used in a slide projector. An ellipsoid as a reflector directs the light to a focusing lens that bundles it and projects it onto the road. A shield positioned between the reflector and the lens provides the prescribed cutoff. DE headlamps, a Hella innovation, are low in dazzle and are therefore ideal for low-beam and fog lamp use. Advantages in comparison with typical parabolic headlamps: Smaller dimensions, almost twice the light output, clear cutoff, and hardly any scatter loss.
I realize I'm "pushing" them for primary headlights...
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 15 2005, 01:12 AM
I dont think so 944turbo....
but yet, I dont know his last name (at least I dont think I do)
Andrew
Posted by: jonwatts Sep 15 2005, 01:14 AM
Unger
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 01:15 AM
| QUOTE (porsche944Turbo @ Sep 14 2005, 11:01 PM) |
| hey andrew, is your friend's Felix's last name zuniga? |
After another member's harassment problems I've stopped posting my last name but no it's not Zuniga
...unless you are holding a fortune for him/me.
Posted by: redshift Sep 15 2005, 01:16 AM
| QUOTE (Graphikhaus @ Sep 15 2005, 01:30 AM) |
| Big Doug |
I'll be damned! That is elegant, at least for a couple trys.
Congrats! You have clues!
M
Posted by: Graphikhaus Sep 15 2005, 04:03 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 15 2005, 01:13 AM) | ||
Very nice thinking! Would cast be optically clear enough? I agree the lenses are quite flat. If I were to start with a new mold or CNC, I'd increase the profile for aesthetics but then it may unfavorably distort the beam... |
The only specs I have for refraction and clarity are for flat sheet Lexan, not tubes. The curve will impact both a bit, but 1/8" is thin.
Looks like they don't differanciate between cast /extruded in Lexan - perhaps I was thinking of Acrylic tube.
http://k-mac-plastics.net/polycarbonate-tubes.htm
"For the clarity of glass and the impact strength of metal, specify Polycarbonate Tube. Made from
FDA-approved ingredients, PC tube gives extraordinary design and fabrication opportunities. It can be machined, drilled, cut and sawed, and is easily joined with solvents and adhesives. Weather Resistant, Underwriters Laboratories (UL) Ratings and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Compliant. Made from GE Lexan® 124 and 104."
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 15 2005, 10:03 AM
Doug,
That was very creative thinking but as I visualize it, the cylindrical shape at the top and bottom will not taper enough. You could take a roll of clay and cut it OR if someone had a 3D CAD program they could simulate it...
Posted by: cbenitah Sep 15 2005, 09:22 PM
Just curious if anyone has tried to do this??
Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 15 2005, 09:24 PM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Sep 15 2005, 08:22 PM) |
| Just curious if anyone has tried to do this?? <a href="http://imageshack.us"> </a> |
white race car in S. America....
cant find pics..
Posted by: bondo Sep 15 2005, 09:27 PM
What about glass lenses? They'd be clear and heat resistant. It isn't all that hard to slump sheet glass into a mold. Trimming it to size and drilling the holes would be the tedious part.
Posted by: cbenitah Sep 15 2005, 11:14 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 15 2005, 07:24 PM) |
| white race car in S. America.... cant find pics.. |
You mean this one?
i ment on a Drivable 914.. just mood the lights.. although i love Felix idea!
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 17 2005, 10:45 PM
Here's my test set up, fully charged porta-battery, jack leg wiring, harness is actually virtually plug in play but I may have to extend some wires...
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Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 17 2005, 10:47 PM
Houston, we have ignition. Ballasts have a whine at warm up but there also no engine sound right now...
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Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 17 2005, 10:49 PM
The experimental filled lense from Bruce. It won't lay flat because it's not concave anymore.
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Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 17 2005, 10:53 PM
Temps were measured by a meat thermometer thanks to Andrews but it maxed at 190F so...
Filled resin was soft and warm to touch after minutes. I had the lense mounted and light on for 30 minutes and after removing it, I could dent the filled resin and it would return to flat. 
I may need to leave it off for night use and install a clear lense for day time and shows...
Maybe design a retractible lense.
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Posted by: GWN7 Sep 17 2005, 11:30 PM
I was wondering about the heat and how it would effect it. I guess the plastic isn't the way to go seeing the ones without the inside fluting would be thinner and subject to further distortion because of the heat. Most cars that use the projector type lamps have more space between the lamp and their exterior lenses. I'm guessing this lessens the heat that is transfered to the lens.
I'll see on Monday about the glass option.
Posted by: redshift Sep 18 2005, 12:22 AM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Sep 15 2005, 11:22 PM) |
| Just curious if anyone has tried to do this?? |
There is a kit that makes the whole front end a low down 959/993. It looks really good.
Where? Who? Dunno, seent 2 cars.
M
Posted by: sj914 Sep 18 2005, 01:59 AM
Felix,
Just curious, in any of the research you did on the headlight laws. Was there anything about the size of the headlight(lens diameter)?
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 18 2005, 09:54 AM
| QUOTE (sj914 @ Sep 17 2005, 11:59 PM) |
| Felix, Just curious, in any of the research you did on the headlight laws. Was there anything about the size of the headlight(lens diameter)? |
No, only brightness and vehicle height as listed, if you find more let me know...
Other than some race cars at Sebring these lamps are used in conjunction with other headlights. I believe they are used on some motorcycles as well.
Remil, I am using them as primary headlights but Neo914-6 is a running concept or prototype car.
Posted by: Jeroen Sep 18 2005, 09:59 AM
It is probably different between the US and europe, but here the projection of the beam is also prescribed
Posted by: winterkornj Sep 18 2005, 11:45 AM
Felix just a thinking but wouldn't you usally be moving when your head lights are on . This may provide some cooling, not sure if it is enough. Think about our engines. Moving=good, sitting = not so good. Just a thought..
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 18 2005, 04:38 PM
| QUOTE (winterkornj @ Sep 18 2005, 09:45 AM) |
| Felix just a thinking but wouldn't you usally be moving when your head lights are on . This may provide some cooling, not sure if it is enough. Think about our engines. Moving=good, sitting = not so good. Just a thought.. |
not a bad idea, I could leave vents in the back of the bucket and draw in air from the front somewhere. It's the stop and go city night driving in a warm place like Las Vegas that may heat it up too much. Then I'd just need a temp controlled fan...
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 18 2005, 04:39 PM
| QUOTE (Jeroen @ Sep 18 2005, 07:59 AM) |
| It is probably different between the US and europe, but here the projection of the beam is also prescribed |
I think it's the similar in terms of distance of illumination...
Posted by: 9146986 Sep 18 2005, 09:36 PM
Different approach. I've always wanted to revise the pop up headlights so they only open, say 20 degrees, and use small projection fixtures. Never had the time to fool around with it though. Seems like adjusting the pop up mechanism might be easier than moulding new lenses.
Injection moulding tool? Think more on the lines of $25k, unless you go offshore. Of course this would mean a retail price of like $1200 a set, which we know is right inline with our average 914'ers budget
Posted by: Pnambic Sep 18 2005, 11:24 PM
yeah, I have been planning the same thing Perry. I swear I saw a website probably two years or so ago that advertised that they were in the process of making a kit to do just this, but I haven't been able to locate it for some time now.
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 18 2005, 11:35 PM
| QUOTE (9146986 @ Sep 18 2005, 07:36 PM) |
| Different approach. I've always wanted to revise the pop up headlights so they only open, say 20 degrees, and use small projection fixtures. Never had the time to fool around with it though. Seems like adjusting the pop up mechanism might be easier than moulding new lenses. Injection moulding tool? Think more on the lines of $25k, unless you go offshore. Of course this would mean a retail price of like $1200 a set, which we know is right inline with our average 914'ers budget |
Heard that interesting idea a few times over the years but no one want's to invest the R&D...
I'd like to see 968/928 style pop-up lights.
My onshore quotes for IM are much lower than 25k but still a large investment risk.
Posted by: 914Timo Sep 19 2005, 12:25 AM
| QUOTE |
| I'd like to see 968/928 style pop-up lights. |
Me too. I have thought the same a lot and once asked ages ago in rennlist e-mail list if somebody know anything about that kind of conversion. Nobady answered....
Posted by: redshift Sep 19 2005, 02:11 AM
How aboot retroing in a set of Gemballa pin lights?
M
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 19 2005, 02:20 AM
| QUOTE (redshift @ Sep 19 2005, 12:11 AM) |
| How aboot retroing in a set of Gemballa pin lights? M |
Got a pic?
What's up with SoCal club?
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 19 2005, 02:22 AM
Held in a pair of lights but determined there would very little room for adjustment and I want to mount a signal light in there instead...
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Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 19 2005, 02:27 AM
| QUOTE (914Timo @ Sep 18 2005, 10:25 PM) | ||
Me too. I have thought the same a lot and once asked ages ago in rennlist e-mail list if somebody know anything about that kind of conversion. Nobady answered.... |
In the 80's I saw a 914 in LA that I thought had these lights but when I got closer, he had only made fixed oval lenses and stationary lights underneath...
Posted by: Jeroen Sep 19 2005, 02:27 AM
| QUOTE (Pnambic @ Sep 19 2005, 06:24 AM) |
| yeah, I have been planning the same thing Perry. I swear I saw a website probably two years or so ago that advertised that they were in the process of making a kit to do just this, but I haven't been able to locate it for some time now. |
IIRC that was http://www.914turbo.com
There are low pop-up lights available for miata's, corvettes etc.
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 19 2005, 02:33 AM
Chris never completed the project as there was no $ interest...
Here's a 90's Miata cup car "option":
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Posted by: redshift Sep 19 2005, 02:34 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 19 2005, 04:20 AM) |
| Got a pic? What's up with SoCal club? |
That's a graphic I puked for another member... and no.. I don't have any pics, because YOU NEED TO STACK THEM UP!
Make that work! Make it work, and I'll be your *friend. *(subect to puke graphics on command)
M
Posted by: redshift Sep 19 2005, 02:41 AM
lol... imagine what it looks like from the front..
I love the stacked up look...I wonder if there may be a lense you could use to flush mount them.. or at least kind of..
OH MY GOD!
http://www.gemballausa.com/CarreraGT.asp
M
Posted by: redshift Sep 19 2005, 02:53 AM
Strosek here
Posted by: redshift Sep 19 2005, 02:55 AM
And again... (the ugliest 911 thing I have ever seen.. almost) another Strosek, with a setup similar to the (apparently rare) Gemballas.
Dig the awesome wheels on that Speedster.. err... hearse..
M
Posted by: SpecialK Sep 19 2005, 04:04 AM
| QUOTE (9146986 @ Sep 18 2005, 09:36 PM) |
| Different approach. I've always wanted to revise the pop up headlights so they only open, say 20 degrees, and use small projection fixtures. Never had the time to fool around with it though. Seems like adjusting the pop up mechanism might be easier than moulding new lenses. Injection moulding tool? Think more on the lines of $25k, unless you go offshore. Of course this would mean a retail price of like $1200 a set, which we know is right inline with our average 914'ers budget |
...you've been sucking up my brainwaves while I was sleeping.
'cept I was thinking more along the lines of FG or CF enclosures. Cheaper than injection molding (at least for the tooling), and better able to handle the heat given off by the HID lights. Use a small turnbuckle to figure out the correct center-to-center for the actuator bar to get the desired lift.
Miles - the black one looks like a flathead catfish I caught last weekend!
....uh, except for the "whaletail".
Posted by: redshift Sep 19 2005, 04:31 AM
I wish I had it as a donor.
M
Posted by: Jeroen Sep 19 2005, 04:34 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 19 2005, 09:33 AM) |
| Here's a 90's Miata cup car "option": |
now THAT's what I'd like to have for my teener
got any source for that?
A little while ago, Gustl posted pix of a German red 914 with an (ugly) bodykit, which used the Strosek lights
Posted by: 914Timo Sep 19 2005, 06:34 AM
...and look at that door mirror too !!!
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 19 2005, 10:56 AM
| QUOTE (Jeroen @ Sep 19 2005, 02:34 AM) | ||
now THAT's what I'd like to have for my teener got any source for that? A little while ago, Gustl posted pix of a German red 914 with an (ugly) bodykit, which used the Strosek lights |
I believe these parts were/are factory/tuner options so try contacting them. This car was part of a mini-museum at this years Monterey Historics.
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 19 2005, 11:02 AM
| QUOTE (redshift @ Sep 19 2005, 12:55 AM) |
| And again... (the ugliest 911 thing I have ever seen.. almost) another Strosek, with a setup similar to the (apparently rare) Gemballas. Dig the awesome wheels on that Speedster.. err... hearse.. M |
Stroske is a tuner/designer, they don't produce lights. I'm sure they used Hella or another existing lamp. Those look larger than the one's I'm using but look smaller because the fender pontoon is larger...
You'll see alot of small lamps like Hella packaged in OEM headlight clusters. This is a trend that helps designers create more front end shapes and light bezels.
Posted by: soupbone Sep 19 2005, 11:23 AM
What about a whole FG/CF GT3-R front end with OEM HIDs? OK maybe thats over the top.... 
http://www.tcdesignfab.com/914GT3r.htm
Posted by: SGB Sep 19 2005, 01:25 PM
I like the two light version....
If yer gonna cover it, I propose some really small computer fans that extract air from the housing- or maybe blowin in would be better. I think the thermostadt part would be unneeded- just run 'em all the time.
Maybe you can leave the actual lense and surrounding enclosure uncovered, with a scoop out fir the light path - a la XKE in the "uncovered lights" years- maybe 69 or 70. Sure it isn't as smooth as all enclosed, but it is a very small light compared to the old jag. I'm thinking thaty after prolonged use, they are gonna get hot enough to blister paint at the top of the fender unless an active cooling system is installed.
Posted by: redshift Sep 19 2005, 03:17 PM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 19 2005, 01:02 PM) |
| Stroske is a tuner/designer, they don't produce lights. |
Really!?
M
Posted by: Jeroen Sep 19 2005, 07:34 PM
here's a pic of the strosek lights
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Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 19 2005, 08:03 PM
| QUOTE (Jeroen @ Sep 19 2005, 05:34 PM) |
| here's a pic of the strosek lights |
Jeroen,
Those dont' have the shape like the ones pictured in the 911. Are you sure these the same ones?
Posted by: SpecialK Sep 20 2005, 03:11 AM
Ever consider some ricer bike headlights (projector beam type)? Gotta be pretty small (unverified), and definitely bright enough.
Posted by: Jeroen Sep 20 2005, 03:19 AM
| QUOTE (Neo914-6 @ Sep 20 2005, 03:03 AM) | ||
Jeroen, Those dont' have the shape like the ones pictured in the 911. Are you sure these the same ones? |
yep, that's them... they mount behind the oval opening in the bodywork (also in the pic)
Posted by: Scott Sep 20 2005, 01:46 PM
Found these. Already pinged (midtennmiata.com) about them. Seems they are out of production. Why? I don't know but I will probably find out when they reply.
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Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 20 2005, 02:09 PM
| QUOTE (Buzzard1 @ Sep 20 2005, 01:11 AM) |
| Ever consider some ricer bike headlights (projector beam type)? Gotta be pretty small (unverified), and definitely bright enough. |
Mine are projecter type and have been used in some motorcycle designs. I think PIAA and another I've seen have slightly smaller bodies but there aren't too many smaller ones than these Hellas. You can't get much smaller for light output vs heat vs size. There may be newer technology coming but these are currently on the market.
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 25 2005, 08:19 PM
Here's http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/industry_news/printer_1239.shtml that is bright as xenon and emits less heat.
Posted by: Dr. Roger Sep 29 2005, 12:52 AM
Felix,
I saw this in the parking lot and thought of your HID setup. I think this one is ventilated.
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Posted by: Dr. Roger Sep 29 2005, 12:53 AM
Even the shape is close to what you may be looking for.
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Posted by: Dr. Roger Sep 29 2005, 12:54 AM
I gave it a tap tap tap and it sounds like a lexan lens.
Lots of ventilation holes .. =-)
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Posted by: Dr. Roger Sep 29 2005, 12:55 AM
Last one.
Straight on.
Sick looking running lights too. Blue hue.
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Posted by: Andyrew Sep 29 2005, 01:00 AM
What is it? celica??
Posted by: Dr. Roger Sep 29 2005, 01:00 AM
What i'm seeing here is if perhaps you set back your lamps to allow more clearance, and ventillate using the heat created to draw cool air into the cavity, you might have something. 
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 29 2005, 01:26 AM
Roger,
The problem with recessing the lights is the width of the beam may be cut off in the forward center of the car. It's probably why headlight housing covers are much wider than the actual lamp.
I had lunch with Mueller today and he said there is a glass blower in town, near where I used to live. Once he gets his foundry together he may be able to mold an aluminum form so glass can be blown into it...
Posted by: Andyrew Sep 29 2005, 02:00 AM
Wouldnt an aluminum form melt? Or we talking solid aluminum....
sorry, Uneducated question...
BTW it IS from a new (02+) celica.
I wonder if the lense could be cut...
Andrew
Posted by: v82go Sep 29 2005, 10:34 AM
Miata lights http://www.midtennmiata.com/
Posted by: kilo123 Sep 29 2005, 05:07 PM
hi
what seems to be the problem??? i planed on installing hids too on my car. cutting a hole in the headlight and put it there. seems there is tons of room to stick the balast. i got the hids without the projector but just the h7 fitting.
Posted by: jd74914 Sep 29 2005, 05:21 PM
| QUOTE (Andyrew @ Sep 29 2005, 03:00 AM) |
| Wouldnt an aluminum form melt? Or we talking solid aluminum.... sorry, Uneducated question... BTW it IS from a new (02+) celica. I wonder if the lense could be cut... Andrew |
i'm thinkin tiberon
Posted by: neo914-6 Dec 30 2005, 02:51 AM
Finally chose an LED signal light which will help finalize the package. They are small and used in motorcycles...
I've been conversing with a plastic molder and got a quote from Tony's injection molder connection for the lense. If I went to production how many people will want to use them for headlights or just clear signal lights? It's a big tooling investment so I'll have to this awhile....
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Posted by: db9146 Dec 30 2005, 08:49 AM
Here is another option....these are on an Acura NSX.
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Posted by: db9146 Dec 30 2005, 08:50 AM
Another
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Posted by: db9146 Dec 30 2005, 08:51 AM
One more...
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Posted by: db9146 Dec 30 2005, 09:05 AM
One more option is on the new Corvettes. I had read about your project and while my son and I were walking around at the Petit LeMans at Road Atlanta a few months back, I saw the NSX and the Corvette and snapped these pics for you. The set up on the Corvette is not as "diamond-shaped" as the NSX.
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Posted by: db9146 Dec 30 2005, 09:06 AM
Second 'vette photo
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Posted by: nocones Dec 30 2005, 10:24 AM
Felix,
I'd be in for a set as long as they where half-way reasonable on cost.
Posted by: Mar7ck Dec 30 2005, 10:56 AM
Thanx for this thread.
I am looking for headlights for my project.
Pop ups are not on the menu.
Looking for projector headlights in the stock location.
Mar7ck
Posted by: richardmosselman Jan 2 2006, 02:09 PM
Anyone see the narrow stacked lites on the Guigiaro GG 50 in this month's Road and Track (Jan/06)? Remake of Ferrari 612 Scaglietti--very narrow fender peak;kinda looks like what you're after-imagine the cost!
Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 2 2006, 03:10 PM
| QUOTE (richardmosselman @ Jan 2 2006, 12:09 PM) |
| Anyone see the narrow stacked lites on the Guigiaro GG 50 in this month's Road and Track (Jan/06)? Remake of Ferrari 612 Scaglietti--very narrow fender peak;kinda looks like what you're after-imagine the cost! |
Yes, I did but I couldn't find an available stacked array like that. Those designers have a very large budget so I'm trying to find affordable parts to adapt...
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Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 10 2006, 01:20 AM
Trial fitted the LED signal lights in the pod. The signal is Amber, this pic shows the reflecting flash. Good fit, now I can finalize the mounting and finish bezel...
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Posted by: spare time toys Jan 10 2006, 07:01 AM
| QUOTE (neo914-6 @ Jan 10 2006, 02:20 AM) |
| Trial fitted the LED signal lights in the pod. The signal is Amber, this pic shows the reflecting flash. Good fit, now I can finalize the mounting and finish bezel... |
Do you have a photo from the side? Are the lights flush with the housing or do they stick out where you need a hump to get over the lens? We throw out the lenses from the 737 wing tip position lights when they crack and its thick plexi that has a nice curve in it of you can also get a large flat chunk out of it. I was thinking of doing covers out of these over recessed lights in the stock location with the flat part of the lens. I figure if they can hold up to the breaze flying at around 500 MPH they should be able to take anything I can throw at them.
Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 10 2006, 09:34 AM
I'm getting a quote on prototypes that are flat on the back to reduce costs. Concavity will cost more. This means I need to recess them to clear the flat surface.
That would be nice if you can find a lense the same shape and size.
I'm considering injection molding crystal clear lenses the same shape as original for production...
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 10 2006, 10:23 AM
I didn't read every post but did anyone suggest making a vacum mold in the shape of the factory lens and pulling in some lexan?
I've done it for a motorcycle faring lens cover. It's easy. Just besure the lens is deep enough to trim off the sandwich flange.
check the Alien build thread link at the bottom of my post for a simple vacum mold I made for a fan shroud. You may need a vacum pump but I just used my shop vac.
Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 10 2006, 01:56 PM
| QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 10 2006, 08:23 AM) |
| I didn't read every post but did anyone suggest making a vacum mold in the shape of the factory lens and pulling in some lexan? I've done it for a motorcycle faring lens cover. It's easy. Just besure the lens is deep enough to trim off the sandwich flange.check the Alien build thread link at the bottom of my post for a simple vacum mold I made for a fan shroud. You may need a vacum pump but I just used my shop vac. |
I vacuum formed lexan in school but how do you replicate the seal channel? I'm talking to a plastic fabrication company who could vac mold sets of them from a sheet, it still the tooling that takes time/expense...
Posted by: plymouth37 Jan 10 2006, 03:32 PM
nice work! I have been kicking this idea around for a long time, it's nice to see you actually pull it off! do you have the aplication and/or part numbers for those headlights, price? where did you get the turn signals? brand?
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 10 2006, 05:03 PM
| QUOTE (neo914-6 @ Jan 10 2006, 11:56 AM) | ||
I vacuum formed lexan in school but how do you replicate the seal channel? I'm talking to a plastic fabrication company who could vac mold sets of them from a sheet, it still the tooling that takes time/expense... |
I wouldn't worry about replicating the sealing channel. Just be sure the outside diamension is the correct width to match the housing.
Another option would be to make the sealing flange out of flat stock, polish all the edges and glue the polished clear plastic sealing flange, to the polished vacum formed light cover. Then re-polish. the bond line would become near invisable.
Easy peasy...
Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 10 2006, 05:19 PM
| QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 10 2006, 03:03 PM) |
| I wouldn't worry about replicating the sealing channel. Just be sure the outside diamension is the correct width to match the housing. Another option would be to make the sealing flange out of flat stock, polish all the edges and glue the polished clear plastic sealing flange, to the polished vacum formed light cover. Then re-polish. the bond line would become near invisable. Easy peasy... |
Super, I'll take two sets!
Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 10 2006, 05:45 PM
| QUOTE (neo914-6 @ Jan 10 2006, 03:19 PM) | ||
Super, I'll take two sets! |
I like your light idea. Sorry no time to build vacum molds today. Too much worky...
Posted by: neo914-6 Jan 11 2006, 01:21 PM
| QUOTE (plymouth37 @ Jan 10 2006, 01:32 PM) |
| nice work! I have been kicking this idea around for a long time, it's nice to see you actually pull it off! do you have the aplication and/or part numbers for those headlights, price? where did you get the turn signals? brand? |
Dana,
Thanks, info is in this thread...tell Scott
Posted by: cbenitah Mar 31 2006, 11:54 AM
| QUOTE (neo914-6 @ Dec 30 2005, 12:51 AM) |
| Finally chose an LED signal light which will help finalize the package. They are small and used in motorcycles... I've been conversing with a plastic molder and got a quote from Tony's injection molder connection for the lense. If I went to production how many people will want to use them for headlights or just clear signal lights? It's a big tooling investment so I'll have to this awhile.... |
I am in! When can I get a set?
Will the projector light do High beam as well or do you have to add another one underneath the one you got?
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Mar 31 2006, 12:50 PM
Things are in progress. I will try to get an update today or this weekend on the progress.
| QUOTE |
| Finally chose an LED signal light which will help finalize the package. They are small and used in motorcycles... I've been conversing with a plastic molder and got a quote from Tony's injection molder connection for the lense. If I went to production how many people will want to use them for headlights or just clear signal lights? It's a big tooling investment so I'll have to this awhile.... |
-Tony
Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 2 2006, 01:19 AM
Great news Tony!
Formed some aluminum sheet in the bucket, I'm no John Kelly but I think the results were nice...
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Posted by: Andyrew Apr 2 2006, 04:51 AM
Mmm Yup..
Those are nice!
Now.. didnt you say that would "possibly" melt fiberglass?
I really think thats a killer setup...
Posted by: neo914-6 Apr 2 2006, 11:53 AM
| QUOTE (Andyrew @ Apr 2 2006, 02:51 AM) |
| Mmm Yup.. Those are nice! Now.. didnt you say that would "possibly" melt fiberglass? I really think thats a killer setup... |
HID heat will melt the lenses but they will be mass produced so I will have spares
We'll see, headlight cooling system will be next. Posted by: Dougs914 Apr 2 2006, 07:57 PM
Put me down for a set.
Posted by: Andyrew Apr 3 2006, 02:18 AM
| QUOTE (neo914-6 @ Apr 2 2006, 10:53 AM) | ||
HID heat will melt the lenses but they will be mass produced so I will have spares We'll see, headlight cooling system will be next. |
If you do make another set.. or a bad set.. or something... let me know... I'll take one of your prototypes and use it on my car... I think it would look sick! (im leaning towards black for my body...)
Shoot me an email on what your progress is! Gota thank you for the good notes to Mike P.
Andrew
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Apr 3 2006, 02:48 AM
Lenses will be available fairly soon. My father-in-law is working on a die and will be producing these. Hopefully the plastic he uses will be sufficient to withstand the heat from an HID light. We won't know really until we test them. But because these are truly injection molded, if there is a plastic that can withstand the heat then it can be used.
Look for more details on lens availability in the coming weeks.
-Tony
Posted by: Brian Mifsud Apr 3 2006, 08:07 AM
| QUOTE (neo914-6 @ Jan 10 2006, 11:56 AM) |
| I vacuum formed lexan in school but how do you replicate the seal channel? I'm talking to a plastic fabrication company who could vac mold sets of them from a sheet, it still the tooling that takes time/expense... |
The Seal channel can be CNC machined. Hit up Mike Mueller. I believe his mill is so equipped.
Also, you can build yourself a "pressure forming" mold, which uses vacuum on the female side, and pressure on the "male" side. This will allow you to press the material into a more detailed mold. You can at least form the "boss" for the channel to be trimmed from.
There are quite a few pressure forming shops in the Bay Area who can help you. Try Freetech Plastics, or Plastic Service Corp (Newark).
The tooling isn't alot of money (under $1000). You can make it yourself, or hit up Mike again!!
The nicest tooling would be aluminum, but you can achieve pretty good results from wood and plaster.
Posted by: mrdezyne Apr 3 2006, 08:36 AM
Dow Chemical Co.
Calibre 200-15, 200-22, 300-4, 300-6, 300-10, 300-15
Polycarbonate
Rockwell hardness of R118
Processing temps of 525 to 620 degrees
Deflection temp at 264 lb/in = 263 degrees
Optically clear
Just one option, something to check out maybe.....
Posted by: mrdezyne Apr 3 2006, 08:40 AM
WOW! Just realized that was from a 1987 product guide, I'm sure there are many better products for this application by now. I'll find a newer guide and check into something better......
Posted by: cbenitah Jun 13 2006, 02:54 PM
Felix or Tony,
Any progress on the lights?
Posted by: RobPattillo Jun 29 2006, 09:27 PM
I think that this is a real winner. There is a company on Ebay that is selling hi/lo HID lights that will work perfect. They come in H4, 9004, and 9007 bulbs. 
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Jun 29 2006, 11:31 PM
The lenses should have been here by now. The situation is that my father-in-law has been extremely busy with a big customer, running his shop 16 hours a day turning out medical stuff.
On top of that he's been having serious problems with one of his legs and may need surgery. Its imobilized him quit a bit. Last time I talked to him he assured me that he was very close to being finished. I'll try and find out this weekend what is going on, hopefully this gets moving soon.
-Tony
Posted by: neo914-6 Jun 30 2006, 01:42 AM
The lenses should have been here by now. The situation is that my father-in-law has been extremely busy with a big customer, running his shop 16 hours a day turning out medical stuff.
On top of that he's been having serious problems with one of his legs and may need surgery. Its imobilized him quit a bit. Last time I talked to him he assured me that he was very close to being finished. I'll try and find out this weekend what is going on, hopefully this gets moving soon.
-Tony
Tony,
Sorry to hear about your father-in-law.
I hope all goes well.If toolings nearly done, that's the biggest hurdle. Can't wait to see them...
Posted by: euro911 Jun 1 2007, 02:40 AM
... and 11 months later: 
I just picked up a 914 in Dec 2006, and within a couple of weeks had ideas of installing rectangular lights in the stock position (removing the pop-ups). I planned on molding ABS housings to cover the original bucket 'holes' and covering them with a LEXAN 'flat top' ... but then started thinking more about something in the signal housings (like your doing).
Like a lot of you, I found myself eyballing cars in the parking lot at work for ideas but no concrete ideas or plans came about.
I met Tony at a Sharp BBQ in January or February 2007 and discussed his headlight project. He mentioned the clear lenses that his father-in-law had made. Just this passed w/e at the 'AR', George H. told me to check out your posts, Felix.
I just read your thread this evening and find your work very interesting ... to date, is there any additional progress?
Posted by: neo914-6 Jun 1 2007, 09:43 PM
... and 11 months later:
I just picked up a 914 in Dec 2006, and within a couple of weeks had ideas of installing rectangular lights in the stock position (removing the pop-ups). I planned on molding ABS housings to cover the original bucket 'holes' and covering them with a LEXAN 'flat top' ... but then started thinking more about something in the signal housings (like your doing).
Like a lot of you, I found myself eyballing cars in the parking lot at work for ideas but no concrete ideas or plans came about.
I met Tony at a Sharp BBQ in January or February 2007 and discussed his headlight project. He mentioned the clear lenses that his father-in-law had made. Just this passed w/e at the 'AR', George H. told me to check out your posts, Felix.
I just read your thread this evening and find your work very interesting ... to date, is there any additional progress?
My light progress continued on my primary thread: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=37568&st=180
We are awaiting the production versions from Tony.
Thanks for your interest...
Posted by: Phoenix 914-6GT Mar 10 2008, 10:53 PM
Any word on how everything went on these?.... Pics?
Posted by: r_towle Sep 8 2008, 04:21 PM
Felix,
Did you ever finish the lights?
Do you have some wrap up posting you could do on that project?
Rich
Posted by: SGB Sep 8 2008, 10:53 PM
really, I thought it was back..
Hey Felix!!!
Knock-knock.
Hey! Felix! Hey, get up. C'mon.
Dude....
Posted by: neo914-6 Sep 9 2008, 12:17 AM
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Posted by: SGB Sep 9 2008, 02:48 PM
hahahah. I'll come back later...
Posted by: DAMMNN Jan 14 2011, 08:07 PM
Okay I going to pick up my VERY FIRST 914 in the morning. I have been trying to find a conversion kit to eliminate the pop up headlights. After seeing this post I have changed my entire approach! PLEASE let me know if you plan on putting thoes projector lights into production. Also check out this Youtube link. Maybe these L.E.D. headlights will work better...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ktktwmC8g
Tell me what you think. OH and that is a DAMN SEXY PORSCHE you have built!
Posted by: kg6dxn Jan 14 2011, 08:22 PM
This is my solution. They were fabricated from a 240sx kit on ebay. I think I posted somewhere about these. The low beam is a HID projector and the High beam is a HID flood lens...
This pic is before the HID and projector...
After..
Posted by: kg6dxn Jan 14 2011, 08:25 PM
another view...
Posted by: DAMMNN Feb 2 2011, 02:34 PM
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me you are going to mass produce those fender flares! I am looking to purchase some exactly like that! Is that a functional exhause port in the bottom?
Posted by: McMark Feb 2 2011, 07:34 PM
Aren't those just 911SC flares?
Posted by: kg6dxn Feb 2 2011, 07:44 PM
Aren't those just 911SC flares?
I think he's talking about the silver car? Little scoopie things at the bottom of the flare.
Posted by: McMark Feb 2 2011, 08:55 PM
Ooooh, you're right. I got lost in the thread hijack. 
Posted by: Rand Feb 2 2011, 10:34 PM
What happened to Felix and his project?
Posted by: DAMMNN Feb 2 2011, 11:46 PM
Oops im sorry, I was talking about the silver 914. However, the flares on the white 914 are VERY nice as well. I know I would like to get some fender flares but im NOT a big fan of the LEGO (squared off stuck on flares) so I am looking for some options. ANY assistance you all could offer would be GREATLY appreciated.
Posted by: Rand Feb 3 2011, 12:06 AM
Oops im sorry, I was talking about the silver 914. However, the flares on the white 914 are VERY nice as well. I know I would like to get some fender flares but im NOT a big fan of the LEGO (squared off stuck on flares) so I am looking for some options. ANY assistance you all could offer would be GREATLY appreciated.
You might like the Rich Bontempi flares. Chris at Tangerine Racing also makes some great steel flares with the nice bulge style.
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Posted by: Andyrew Feb 3 2011, 10:31 AM
Problem with the HPH flares is they were designed to be mounted on top the 914 fenders ala race car/ Dzuts fastners. They were not designed to be molded in. This is the problem I am dealing with with my fenders. They are REALLY hard to mold in properly and I am having to make some compromizes.
Posted by: kg6dxn Feb 3 2011, 11:19 AM
Oops im sorry, I was talking about the silver 914. However, the flares on the white 914 are VERY nice as well. I know I would like to get some fender flares but im NOT a big fan of the LEGO (squared off stuck on flares) so I am looking for some options. ANY assistance you all could offer would be GREATLY appreciated.
the ones on my car are 930 Turbo. There are a total of 8 steel flares grafted in. 2 per wheel well.
Posted by: booney914 May 19 2012, 12:08 PM
Just chiming in on the lights. I've seen the final product and Congrads! Excellent outcome. In the thread there is talk about mass production. Any word on the availability?
Posted by: LotusJoe May 19 2012, 12:49 PM
I've got the same headlight covers for my Europa as well. Group Buy about a dozen years ago. 
Posted by: Type 47 May 19 2012, 08:18 PM
This is all very good stuff, very good stuff.
but pop up headlights are in my plans and I think I can do similar stuff and keep the original design and look...just starting my engineering but this option verifies this is possible.
Awesome work!
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