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Posted by: PaulFV8 Apr 29 2021, 02:06 PM
Great find. Any idea on pricing?
Posted by: Lucky9146 Apr 29 2021, 02:46 PM
Cool find! Congrats.
Posted by: Chris H. Apr 29 2021, 02:53 PM
Early '73 VIN...looks like a diamond in the rough! There MIGHT have been one of those vinyl bras on the front at some point . Just a hunch.
Posted by: Sprout Apr 29 2021, 03:01 PM
Agreed, that is a great find! Hopefully some elbow grease on the front end will lessen the damage from the bra. Won't take much to bring it up to snuff!
Posted by: flyer86d Apr 29 2021, 03:15 PM
Good looking car.
Charlie
Posted by: PanelBilly Apr 29 2021, 06:11 PM
Great find.
Posted by: targa72e May 1 2021, 01:20 PM
From PAULFV8
Great find. Any idea on pricing?
I will probably give BAT a try. Survivor cars seem to bring very good money there.
The Bra guess is correct.
It had a black slide over the hood bra that was left on the car for years. The area that was under the Bra is slightly darker, stained by the Bra.
john
Posted by: Jett May 1 2021, 08:45 PM
QUOTE(targa72e @ May 1 2021, 12:32 PM)
This car has been really cool to clean up. I cant believe how nice the condition of some of the areas are. Hard to believe this is almost 50years of grime.
Standard dirty front fender well.
Cleaning supplies
Work in progress
Finished product. I cant believe how few rock chips there are. One season in Colorado and the entire fender well would be sand blasted. Even the black paint on struts and brake backing plates looks nice.
john
Looks really clean, great job! We had to scrap the undercoating and repaint to get it looking like yours
Posted by: Montreal914 May 1 2021, 09:32 PM
WOW!!
Great find! Even if not the original paint, great condition car. I would keep it, and enjoy it
Posted by: 930cabman May 1 2021, 11:11 PM
Great find, the number of these "clean" cars is small. Will you be keeping for your own use or turn around?
Posted by: 914xr75 May 2 2021, 12:07 PM
Love it! 73 light Ivory 1.7 is my favorite. Keep having a great time with it.
Posted by: Bullethead May 2 2021, 01:59 PM
Congratulations on a terrific find... subscribed. Remarkable condition underneath the dirt!
Proof there are still discoveries to be made.
Posted by: targa72e May 2 2021, 02:06 PM
930Cabman asked:
Great find, the number of these "clean" cars is small. Will you be keeping for your own use or turn around?
My current plan is to sell it. I will probably list it on BAT once I get the engine resealed and tranny rebuilt.
I have been a 911 guy for years. I purchased my 1st 914 about 4 years ago to do a -6 conversion. Did not know much about 914's and got lucky that I found a 73. I liked the finished product and started looking for another 914 to convert to -6. The plan is for next 914 to be what I want (still not 100% sure what that is). Pics of first 914 as it sits now. 2.4 with E cams and carbs. 5 lug conversion. Short gearbox.
I purchased a 70 roller that had only minor rust to be next -6 conversion. Decided I really wanted a later car to start with. 70 914 now for sale in classifieds.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=352498
Purchased this 73 white car thinking it might be a better starting point for my -6 conversion. Decided it is too nice and original to start modifying, so keep looking.
Purchased another rust free 75 roller (also Ivory) that was someones abandoned project. I will build to be "my car".
Will end up selling all the other 914's to fund the build.
john
Posted by: 930cabman May 2 2021, 02:18 PM
Sounds as though you have the sickness but good. Keep us up to speed with your projects. What 911 models are in the stable?
Posted by: targa72e May 3 2021, 02:00 PM
QUOTE(930cabman @ May 2 2021, 02:18 PM)
Sounds as though you have the sickness but good. Keep us up to speed with your projects. What 911 models are in the stable?
70 911 T restoration mod project
78 SC longhood backdate project Should end up with 3.5 and ITB's
91 964 coupe, 5 speed RWD. Coilovers, big brake upgrade, rebuilt 3.6 with 993SS cams and headers
2001 Turbo Coilovers, 16/16G turbos, GT2RS intercoolers, 3" exhaust custom tune
john
Posted by: wonkipop May 4 2021, 06:01 PM
incredible.
they are still out there.
factory markings on the suspension arms!
that car deserves to keep on being coddled.
nice job getting hold of it.
Posted by: Root_Werks May 5 2021, 03:58 PM
Wow, how'd I miss this thread, nice work!
Posted by: MM1 May 5 2021, 04:49 PM
Great stuff - congrats!
I also have an early '73 1.7L - Ivory White . . .it has white headlight surrounds . . .your car is earlier - does it also retain white headlight surrounds?
A friend of mine thought they were supposed to be black in '73 - but I've read that early to mid-'73 cars had white - not black.
Posted by: 930cabman May 5 2021, 05:36 PM
I heard it somewhere before:
some guys have all the luck
Great project, but the other P-cars also sound great.
Ever dabble in anything Italian?
Posted by: targa72e May 5 2021, 11:16 PM
QUOTE(MM1 @ May 5 2021, 04:49 PM)
Great stuff - congrats!
I also have an early '73 1.7L - Ivory White . . .it has white headlight surrounds . . .your car is earlier - does it also retain white headlight surrounds?
A friend of mine thought they were supposed to be black in '73 - but I've read that early to mid-'73 cars had white - not black.
My white car is a very early 73 built in 8/72. It has white surrounds.
My blue car built in 5/73 has black
john
Posted by: targa72e May 6 2021, 11:11 PM
QUOTE(930cabman @ May 5 2021, 05:36 PM)
I heard it somewhere before:
some guys have all the luck
Great project, but the other P-cars also sound great.
Ever dabble in anything Italian?
no doubt some luck was involved. I live in a dry climate so rust is not quite the problem as other areas. Part of the luck is I looked at every 914 that came up for sale locally for about 4 years. I saw lots of turds, met a lot of interesting people but most important got better at knowing what I was looking at. When the diamonds in the rough popped up I knew what I was looking at, I also know where some other gems are at that the owners are not quite ready to get rid of.
I agreed to buy this what car before I knew it ran, a quick look over indicated it was that nice. I also ended up buying 4 cars over the 5 yea time.
I have been told that when you are searching for a car and find the one, you should keep looking because a better one l might be around the corner.
The last 914 I purchased is a 75 almost rust free (I don't know that any are rust free until restored) that will need a little trunk work.
It is car that like the 73 is from southern California and was brought to Colorado 20+ years ago and not driven, it was on jack stands and stored indoors. It was a abandoned project that had been stripped to the bare chassis (all the rest was in boxes) so I could see what i was getting.
Italian lust yes, but not acquired, I had a Fiat 124 spider for a short time is college if that counts. I lusted after Alpha Rome spiders back in the day, thought about Ferrari's and Lamborghini (or More likely R8 equivalent) but have mostly had German cars. Rented a Alpha 4C about 3 years ago, and if it had a manual transmission I would have one in my garage (automatic it comes with is so bad).
I did have a Lotus Esprit turbo for a while (not Italian but on the exotic side) before I purchased the 996 Turbo, looked cool in the driveway but not that great to drive. Most of my daily drivers have been BMW coupes for the last 12years (their turbo 6 at altitude is awesome). I currently have a BMW M2 Competition on order as my daily driver as its one of the last manual transmissions available (its going to have to sit outside if I don't sell off some of my Porsche's!!) and wife drives the last year manual transmission Audi Avant available. As manual transmissions become non existent i figure my next new car will likely be some types of hybrid, plenty of old ICE engined cars to keep me intertained.
John
Posted by: MM1 May 25 2021, 08:24 PM
QUOTE(targa72e @ May 6 2021, 12:16 AM)
QUOTE(MM1 @ May 5 2021, 04:49 PM)
Great stuff - congrats!
I also have an early '73 1.7L - Ivory White . . .it has white headlight surrounds . . .your car is earlier - does it also retain white headlight surrounds?
A friend of mine thought they were supposed to be black in '73 - but I've read that early to mid-'73 cars had white - not black.
My white car is a very early 73 built in 8/72. It has white surrounds.
My blue car built in 5/73 has black
john
Thanks, John
Posted by: wonkipop May 26 2021, 01:31 AM
it must be giving you pleasure - it doesn't seem to disappoint does it.
spare looks suspiciously like it might be origi diggy (or close).
right down to blade runner eye make up.
Posted by: Root_Werks May 27 2021, 12:05 PM
Certainly seems to fall into survivor category!
Posted by: wonkipop Sep 23 2021, 02:59 AM
re undercoating.
evidence of original slacker not finishing the job and knocking off for a hotdog at lunch or a beer at 5.00 pm? or the goo ran out in the gun and that was it.
fascinating car.
Posted by: Front yard mechanic Sep 23 2021, 09:20 AM
They used to only spray the seam areas. A full bottom cost more money. My guess is the owner was a tight wad
Posted by: mbseto Sep 23 2021, 10:00 AM
Pristine - great find.
Posted by: targa72e Feb 20 2022, 09:15 PM
Pulled drivers door card after dropping screw into door (replaced window seal which had previous paint over spray) . Inside of drivers door looks very nice. Factory plastic vapor barrier still in place .
Bottom of door.
Inside
john
Posted by: targa72e Feb 20 2022, 09:23 PM
Moved up front to clean things up.
Cleaned up pretty nice.
john
Posted by: wonkipop Feb 21 2022, 03:47 AM
you found a bit you didn't need to wipe clean!
amazing car.
Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 21 2022, 07:55 AM
Nice car and nice to see it getting cleaned up.
Posted by: doug_b_928 Feb 21 2022, 04:03 PM
Mine is also an early 73. Interestingly, the rear emblems on yours look exactly like mine (silver with the 1.7 looking darker). Conventional wisdom is that all 73s had black emblems though there has been some debate about this in the past (see here: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=76156&st=20). After seeing yours I'm thinking mine are original and either they came looking like that or they were black but wore/faded to look like that.
Posted by: 930cabman Feb 21 2022, 06:27 PM
Great progress with the cleanup, any news with the eng/tranny?
Posted by: targa72e Feb 21 2022, 11:03 PM
QUOTE(930cabman @ Feb 21 2022, 07:27 PM)
Great progress with the cleanup, any news with the eng/tranny?
As you can tell from pics the engine and tranny were removed. Engine got decreased (very well marinated) and received all new gaskets , seals, engine mounts, etc.. Debated what to do with engine tin as there was some surface rust. I elected to just clean it as many of the factory markings were still in good condition.
Transmission was also de-greased and inspected. The transmission would not stay in 4th gear, this was the reason I was told the car was not driven much for 20+years. Inspected and then replaced most of the syncros (5th was good and reused), dog teeth and shift selectors. 1st was not good and 4th was very bad (part of the reason it would no stay in gear). Resealed and re-installed and adjusted shifter, as set up it would not go fully into 4th, probably reason 4th was damaged.. So far no leaks from engine or tranny and runs and shifts good.
I had one mess up in cleaning some of the heat exchanger ducting. The parts that were painted grey were in good shape but really layered in grease. I used to aggressive a cleaner and stripped the paint. Had to repaint grey.
john
Posted by: targa72e Feb 21 2022, 11:14 PM
QUOTE(doug_b_928 @ Feb 21 2022, 05:03 PM)
Mine is also an early 73. Interestingly, the rear emblems on yours look exactly like mine (silver with the 1.7 looking darker). Conventional wisdom is that all 73s had black emblems though there has been some debate about this in the past (see here: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=76156&st=20). After seeing yours I'm thinking mine are original and either they came looking like that or they were black but wore/faded to look like that.
My blue car (-6 conversion) is also a 73 (late) and it had black rear badges (they are now custom) and black headlight surrounds.
White car has white surrounds and silver badges (1.7 looking darker is just angle and lighting).
john
Posted by: Dion Feb 22 2022, 08:53 AM
I love the pic of the immaculate wiring harness on the tunnel!
What a great find. Thanks for sharing the time capsule.
Posted by: wonkipop Feb 22 2022, 09:42 AM
QUOTE(targa72e @ Feb 21 2022, 11:03 PM)
QUOTE(930cabman @ Feb 21 2022, 07:27 PM)
Great progress with the cleanup, any news with the eng/tranny?
As you can tell from pics the engine and tranny were removed. Engine got decreased (very well marinated) and received all new gaskets , seals, engine mounts, etc.. Debated what to do with engine tin as there was some surface rust. I elected to just clean it as many of the factory markings were still in good condition.
john
that engine tin stamp made me look closely at your first few posts.
last year we did some research on 74 1.8s - i noticed very early cars in the production run had the EA stamp above the engine designation number.
i noticed your car is 128th car made in 73 MY. August 72 so the EA number seems similarly to be on another very early production run car. different model year, different development order (EA number) of course since its an EB engine.
i noticed however that the car was not sold until may 73!
thats very unusual that it was made so early and sold so late?
Posted by: dr914@autoatlanta.com Feb 22 2022, 10:16 AM
cannot beat those california 914s
Posted by: Jett Mar 14 2022, 08:49 AM
QUOTE(targa72e @ Mar 13 2022, 09:49 PM)
Interior cleaned up.
Ended up partially re-upholstering drivers seat with 914 rubber kit.
Vintage Alpine still works.
Trying to decide If I should replace dash before listing for sale. Has some cracks but is the original.
Getting close to being ready to sell.
john
Looks amazing, but find a dash as I expect that it will help you bring more money quickly
Posted by: rgalla9146 Mar 14 2022, 10:15 AM
Open to suggestions ?
Paint the wheels silver and remove the window tint.
It's a great car and you've done great work.
Posted by: targa72e May 11 2022, 10:26 PM
currently on BAT if anyone is interested.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-porsche-914-66/
john
Posted by: wonkipop May 12 2022, 12:13 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20392
the car looks very good on BAT.
lots of photos.
can i ask a favour of you if you have time to spare?
noticed the car has full glovebox package of manual and emissions warranty booklet.
we have been tracking some data on those emissions warranties either side of nov 73 in the 74 model year and were trying to get info from 73 and 75 owners.
would it be too much trouble to ask you to post an image of the page inside that emissions booklet that shows the diagram layout of the evaporative emissions system.
and a shot of the back page, its got some numbers and letters etc down the bottom usually of the back page.
good luck with the sale.
it should go well.
Posted by: infraredcalvin May 12 2022, 12:24 AM
QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Mar 14 2022, 09:15 AM)
Open to suggestions ?
Paint the wheels silver and remove the window tint.
It's a great car and you've done great work.
Posted by: Cairo94507 May 12 2022, 07:03 AM
I 100% agree re tint and wheel. But it is a nice car and will get bought up. GLWTS.
Posted by: Bullethead May 12 2022, 08:07 AM
Terrific results after all that work. You should get an endorsement deal with Zep!
Agreed with removing the tint and painting the wheels. Such a great looking car, GLWTA.
Posted by: brant May 12 2022, 09:42 AM
Nice work on the car John,
looks great!
Posted by: shredtherad Aug 16 2022, 08:45 AM
I love reading this thread, I bought the call from John and I am in love with it! Such a great little car and I just adore it. One reason I bought it was to have my dad come out to Colorado from NJ and do a big road trip in it. He is 80 and a Porsche nut, I grew up around Porsches and I thought it would be cool to do some work on the car with my dad and then maybe road trip to Utah for the meetup. Will see.
I have not done a ton of work to the car but a few things.
- painted wheels silver
- removed the tint
- new tires
Next:
- I have SS fuel lines that I want to install
- possibly move the fuel pump to the front
- lower front just a little bit
- repaint or replace the muffler ( maybe SS )
- heater box paint or replace.
- maybe fix dash, maybe not... is what it is.
I
Posted by: gereed75 Aug 16 2022, 08:52 AM
That is one sweet car. I also enjoy the thread. You got a great deal. Enjoy!
Posted by: NARP74 Aug 16 2022, 11:31 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20392 I see you mentioned Ospho. Do you like it, have you used it much? I'm looking for a treatment not a sealer and this might work. I was also looking at Rust Mort, ever work with that?
Posted by: nathanxnathan Aug 16 2022, 11:59 AM
Awesome car! Nice to see this thread. I'm so glad the tires got switched — the tiny profile ones were so wrong for me. Also the tint I'm glad was removed.
Interesting the targa trim turned black at some point, and the chrome bumpers stayed on. I think black bumpers were better with the no-sail-vinyl look, and chrome targa trim to match the windshield trim but still a nice car as-is.
Posted by: shredtherad Aug 16 2022, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(nathanxnathan @ Aug 16 2022, 11:59 AM)
Awesome car! Nice to see this thread. I'm so glad the tires got switched — the tiny profile ones were so wrong for me. Also the tint I'm glad was removed.
Interesting the targa trim turned black at some point, and the chrome bumpers stayed on. I think black bumpers were better with the no-sail-vinyl look, and chrome targa trim to match the windshield trim but still a nice car as-is.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21899 I am not sure I follow, the bumpers were painted white at some point and the previous owner swapped out for the chrome. I did not think there were black bumper available in early 73' but I am a noob so don't kill me
you are saying the bumpers and trim are not correct?
Posted by: Stef914 Aug 16 2022, 02:39 PM
Nice find and restoration !
Posted by: nathanxnathan Aug 16 2022, 03:22 PM
QUOTE(shredtherad @ Aug 16 2022, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE(nathanxnathan @ Aug 16 2022, 11:59 AM)
Awesome car! Nice to see this thread. I'm so glad the tires got switched — the tiny profile ones were so wrong for me. Also the tint I'm glad was removed.
Interesting the targa trim turned black at some point, and the chrome bumpers stayed on. I think black bumpers were better with the no-sail-vinyl look, and chrome targa trim to match the windshield trim but still a nice car as-is.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21899 I am not sure I follow, the bumpers were painted white at some point and the previous owner swapped out for the chrome. I did not think there were black bumper available in early 73' but I am a noob so don't kill me
you are saying the bumpers and trim are not correct?
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=26559 It looks like it's a base model standard equipment car, the no sail vinyl and perlon carpet, no bin type center console, and horn grills. Probably it had a plastic unwrapped wheel.
I haven't seen many 72-73 standard equipment cars. I think they are rarer than 70-71, definitely more rare than the 74+ black bumper cars. I was thinking that 73's had black bumpers as it looks like it was as such in the first few pics on the thread.
The original owner had a paint-it-black thing going on with the wheels at least, so the bumper may have been a similar story.
There are a few pics in the first page here were it looks like the targa trim is chrome — it definitely would have been unless it was white. I'm not sure how 72—73 Standard Equipment cars were, body colored or chrome, but I think only 74 LE cars had black.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Aug 16 2022, 05:09 PM
You've hit the important corrections.
The tint, the wheels...... and the tires (good catch)
I know its seems a step backwards but maybe go back to body color bumpers ?
Too few of us respect the inate purity of the early 'no option' cars.
I had a plain Jane '72 way back and miss it.
Too bad about the luggage rack, another 'ditch' item for me.
Great work, looking good !
Posted by: shredtherad Aug 16 2022, 06:34 PM
QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Aug 16 2022, 05:09 PM)
You've hit the important corrections.
The tint, the wheels...... and the tires (good catch)
I know its seems a step backwards but maybe go back to body color bumpers ?
Too few of us respect the inate purity of the early 'no option' cars.
I had a plain Jane '72 way back and miss it.
Too bad about the luggage rack, another 'ditch' item for me.
Great work, looking good !
A no option car just is mostly cosmetic and interior? In my mind there is not much of a difference. I like purity… also, I do not like the luggage rack and would repair the trunk or replace if I found one. Is there really that big of difference between a no option and optioned car? I scored a second set of bumpers for free thst are black already. I would be open to trying it… thx!
Less options = lighter, more raw and more utilitarian.
Posted by: wonkipop Aug 16 2022, 07:52 PM
QUOTE(shredtherad @ Aug 16 2022, 01:51 PM)
QUOTE(nathanxnathan @ Aug 16 2022, 11:59 AM)
Awesome car! Nice to see this thread. I'm so glad the tires got switched — the tiny profile ones were so wrong for me. Also the tint I'm glad was removed.
Interesting the targa trim turned black at some point, and the chrome bumpers stayed on. I think black bumpers were better with the no-sail-vinyl look, and chrome targa trim to match the windshield trim but still a nice car as-is.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21899 I am not sure I follow, the bumpers were painted white at some point and the previous owner swapped out for the chrome. I did not think there were black bumper available in early 73' but I am a noob so don't kill me
you are saying the bumpers and trim are not correct?
targa bar trim in 73 is correct in black when it didn't have vinyl.
standard non appearance group had black bumpers in 73 same as 74s did later.
but you could order it optioned with chrome bumpers.
original owner probably did, who knows. car seems to very original and unmolested.
only the earlier cars than 73 had the raw minimalism look with body painted bumpers and horn grilles. its your call but i wouldn't mess too much with the car you have. its a real period piece thats survived all the way to here and very cool.
changing the wheels back to silver was a good call however. looks right now.
EDIT
nathanxnathan is right. looks like it did have black bumpers when targa72 got hold of it.
i see back at start of thread he says they were repainted in some bad black paint, not original paint. looks like he removed them and replaced with chrome.
Posted by: nathanxnathan Aug 16 2022, 09:07 PM
QUOTE(wonkipop @ Aug 16 2022, 06:52 PM)
QUOTE(shredtherad @ Aug 16 2022, 01:51 PM)
QUOTE(nathanxnathan @ Aug 16 2022, 11:59 AM)
Awesome car! Nice to see this thread. I'm so glad the tires got switched — the tiny profile ones were so wrong for me. Also the tint I'm glad was removed.
Interesting the targa trim turned black at some point, and the chrome bumpers stayed on. I think black bumpers were better with the no-sail-vinyl look, and chrome targa trim to match the windshield trim but still a nice car as-is.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21899 I am not sure I follow, the bumpers were painted white at some point and the previous owner swapped out for the chrome. I did not think there were black bumper available in early 73' but I am a noob so don't kill me
you are saying the bumpers and trim are not correct?
targa bar trim in 73 is correct in black when it didn't have vinyl.
standard non appearance group had black bumpers in 73 same as 74s did later.
but you could order it optioned with chrome bumpers.
original owner probably did, who knows. car seems to very original and unmolested.
only the earlier cars than 73 had the raw minimalism look with body painted bumpers and horn grilles. its your call but i wouldn't mess too much with the car you have. its a real period piece thats survived all the way to here and very cool.
changing the wheels back to silver was a good call however. looks right now.
EDIT
nathanxnathan is right. looks like it did have black bumpers when targa72 got hold of it.
i see back at start of thread he says they were repainted in some bad black paint, not original paint. looks like he removed them and replaced with chrome.
ah nice, I didn't know that 73's had gone to black bumpers, the standard equipment cars.
I always thought that when they went to black bumpers that the targa trim was just chrome across the model range? It does look in the pics like it had chrome targa trim at the beginning of the thread anyway.
I saw in the comments of the bring a trailer page that targa72 said he'd offer the original black bumpers as an option to the buyer.
Posted by: bbrock Aug 16 2022, 09:18 PM
QUOTE(nathanxnathan @ Aug 16 2022, 09:07 PM)
QUOTE(wonkipop @ Aug 16 2022, 06:52 PM)
QUOTE(shredtherad @ Aug 16 2022, 01:51 PM)
QUOTE(nathanxnathan @ Aug 16 2022, 11:59 AM)
Awesome car! Nice to see this thread. I'm so glad the tires got switched — the tiny profile ones were so wrong for me. Also the tint I'm glad was removed.
Interesting the targa trim turned black at some point, and the chrome bumpers stayed on. I think black bumpers were better with the no-sail-vinyl look, and chrome targa trim to match the windshield trim but still a nice car as-is.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=21899 I am not sure I follow, the bumpers were painted white at some point and the previous owner swapped out for the chrome. I did not think there were black bumper available in early 73' but I am a noob so don't kill me
you are saying the bumpers and trim are not correct?
targa bar trim in 73 is correct in black when it didn't have vinyl.
standard non appearance group had black bumpers in 73 same as 74s did later.
but you could order it optioned with chrome bumpers.
original owner probably did, who knows. car seems to very original and unmolested.
only the earlier cars than 73 had the raw minimalism look with body painted bumpers and horn grilles. its your call but i wouldn't mess too much with the car you have. its a real period piece thats survived all the way to here and very cool.
changing the wheels back to silver was a good call however. looks right now.
EDIT
nathanxnathan is right. looks like it did have black bumpers when targa72 got hold of it.
i see back at start of thread he says they were repainted in some bad black paint, not original paint. looks like he removed them and replaced with chrome.
ah nice, I didn't know that 73's had gone to black bumpers, the standard equipment cars.
I always thought that when they went to black bumpers that the targa trim was just chrome across the model range? It does look in the pics like it had chrome targa trim at the beginning of the thread anyway.
I saw in the comments of the bring a trailer page that targa72 said he'd offer the original black bumpers as an option to the buyer.
I have one of those 73s with black bumpers and targa trim. Interesting car. Mine is a 2L with what was called the Sport Package that gave you the performance goodies (Fuchs wheels, sway bars, and center console) but not appearance group items. In addition to the bumpers, the rear targa trim was black but the rest of the trim was bright aluminum (a.k.a. chrome, but not really chrome).
Posted by: targa72e Aug 16 2022, 10:47 PM
when I purchased the car it had black bumpers and trim. Both looked to have been repainted as there was black over spray on the paint. They were not chrome, backside was painted black as well so assume that was original color. In researching it looked like some of the early cars came this way from the factory. I had a set of chrome bumpers and like the look better so swapped. When I sold the car I offered either Chrome or original painted bumpers (I needed one set for my project car).
I did not like the luggage rack either. I did not want to replace the trunk lid as it had the original inspection stickers and fit well.
Car looks awesome Chad. Debated painting the wheels and removing the tint but figured as soon as I did the new owner would want black wheels and tint . Figured it was better to let new owner decide. I am doing RRC as well and hope to take my blue car (-6 conversion). Desperately working on getting new engine in finished (on the test stand now, hopefully running tomorrow).
john
Posted by: shredtherad Aug 17 2022, 07:15 AM
QUOTE(targa72e @ Aug 16 2022, 10:47 PM)
when I purchased the car it had black bumpers and trim. Both looked to have been repainted as there was black over spray on the paint. They were not chrome, backside was painted black as well so assume that was original color. In researching it looked like some of the early cars came this way from the factory. I had a set of chrome bumpers and like the look better so swapped. When I sold the car I offered either Chrome or original painted bumpers (I needed one set for my project car).
I did not like the luggage rack either. I did not want to replace the trunk lid as it had the original inspection stickers and fit well.
Car looks awesome Chad. Debated painting the wheels and removing the tint but figured as soon as I did the new owner would want black wheels and tint
. Figured it was better to let new owner decide. I am doing RRC as well and hope to take my blue car (-6 conversion). Desperately working on getting new engine in finished (on the test stand now, hopefully running tomorrow).
john
@targa72 Hey John, thanks for chiming in... FYI, this POST from the start is so good, I look back on it often and just amazed at the work you did and where the car started. So cool. Thanks for offering up options on the bumpers, I like the CHROME, might not have left the factory that way but that is ok. I wonder if the luggage rack could be removed and the holes filled and matched.
Good luck getting the car done, either way we should hook up sometime!
Cheers - Chad
Posted by: nathanxnathan Aug 17 2022, 09:07 AM
QUOTE(targa72e @ Aug 16 2022, 09:47 PM)
when I purchased the car it had black bumpers and trim. Both looked to have been repainted as there was black over spray on the paint. They were not chrome, backside was painted black as well so assume that was original color. In researching it looked like some of the early cars came this way from the factory. I had a set of chrome bumpers and like the look better so swapped. When I sold the car I offered either Chrome or original painted bumpers (I needed one set for my project car).
I did not like the luggage rack either. I did not want to replace the trunk lid as it had the original inspection stickers and fit well.
Car looks awesome Chad. Debated painting the wheels and removing the tint but figured as soon as I did the new owner would want black wheels and tint
. Figured it was better to let new owner decide. I am doing RRC as well and hope to take my blue car (-6 conversion). Desperately working on getting new engine in finished (on the test stand now, hopefully running tomorrow).
john
Very cool — learn something new every day!
Posted by: shredtherad Aug 18 2022, 06:41 AM
QUOTE(nathanxnathan @ Aug 17 2022, 09:07 AM)
QUOTE(targa72e @ Aug 16 2022, 09:47 PM)
when I purchased the car it had black bumpers and trim. Both looked to have been repainted as there was black over spray on the paint. They were not chrome, backside was painted black as well so assume that was original color. In researching it looked like some of the early cars came this way from the factory. I had a set of chrome bumpers and like the look better so swapped. When I sold the car I offered either Chrome or original painted bumpers (I needed one set for my project car).
I did not like the luggage rack either. I did not want to replace the trunk lid as it had the original inspection stickers and fit well.
Car looks awesome Chad. Debated painting the wheels and removing the tint but figured as soon as I did the new owner would want black wheels and tint
. Figured it was better to let new owner decide. I am doing RRC as well and hope to take my blue car (-6 conversion). Desperately working on getting new engine in finished (on the test stand now, hopefully running tomorrow).
john
Very cool — learn something new every day!
Yup, John is a cool. He gave me the option on the bumpers. I choose the Chrome. I like them, I would love to find a black set.
Posted by: burton73 Aug 18 2022, 01:41 PM
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Feb 22 2022, 09:16 AM)
cannot beat those california 914s
I wish they all could be California GIRLS, wish they all could be California….
Yes, this is cleaning up very nice
Bob B
Posted by: shredtherad Oct 26 2022, 08:38 AM
SInce I own this car now I absolutely love this thread from start to when John passed the car off to me. I hung out with John this past weekend and we chatted about the car and others as well. I thought I could do an update to keep this thread alive a bit.
I scored some 914 Fuchs for a good price and they are lovely, not perfect but the car is not perfect so it is fitting.
Some new tires and mounted them up, looks awesome. I have a bit of wheel addiction and have 3 sets to choose from now.
Anyhow, shared a photo.
Should I continue this thread with what I do with the car?
CT
Posted by: mepstein Oct 26 2022, 08:42 AM
Sure. Continue the thread. This is 914 world.
Posted by: Jett Oct 26 2022, 09:08 AM
QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 26 2022, 07:42 AM)
Sure. Continue the thread. This is 914 world.
+1 great car and story.
Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 26 2022, 10:07 AM
Absolutely keep this thread going. We love to see these cars as they evolve.
Posted by: 914xr75 Oct 26 2022, 01:50 PM
Keep it going. I love this thread. it's my favorite.
Posted by: kerensky Oct 27 2022, 01:38 PM
Love this thread, partially because I'm *hoping* mine turns out as nicely. Hmmm, same year, mine has only a few thousand more miles, black with appearance group vs white base trim. Does that make him "Good Chad" and me "Ebil Chad"?
Posted by: rgalla9146 Oct 27 2022, 03:20 PM
Keep it going !
Now you've gone and made the best use of a luggage rack ever ! Excellent.
The wheels may not be correct for how the car was built but they sure bring the
whole package together.
Great evolution on a car that wears it so well. Beautiful.
Posted by: targa72e Oct 27 2022, 11:08 PM
Its so cool the car ended up locally. It was really nice talking last weekend about what Chad is doing and what he would like to do. Many of his plans are things I struggled with decision wise in bringing this car back.
I also did not like the luggage rack and looked at replacing the rear deck lid but it had the original inspection stickers and thought it would be better to let the new owner decide. Also thought about changing the wheels but did not for same reason. I have seen the pictures with the Panosports and now the Fuchs in person and they both look much better than the black steel wheels (and more appropriately sized tires).
I also like the look better with the tint removed, but you never know the next owners preferences. I Purchase a VW GTI many years ago and was waiting on the dealer to get the car ready and they informed me "it should be done soon, they are just pulling all the tint" informed them to stop as I wanted the windows tinted and lucky only had to redo one windows.
I am looking forward and feel lucky to seeing how this car evolves.
john
Posted by: shredtherad Nov 1 2022, 08:17 AM
It was nice chatting with you too John, the car is awesome. I really don't have to do anything to to it, but finding little projects is fun and I do have the option for the original wheels and also the original trunk lid.
I opted to leave the trunk lid as it is to preserve it, I sourced another lid and had it refinished. It looks really good, very happy with the result.
QUOTE(targa72e @ Oct 27 2022, 11:08 PM)
Its so cool the car ended up locally. It was really nice talking last weekend about what Chad is doing and what he would like to do. Many of his plans are things I struggled with decision wise in bringing this car back.
I also did not like the luggage rack and looked at replacing the rear deck lid but it had the original inspection stickers and thought it would be better to let the new owner decide. Also thought about changing the wheels but did not for same reason. I have seen the pictures with the Panosports and now the Fuchs in person and they both look much better than the black steel wheels (and more appropriately sized tires).
I also like the look better with the tint removed, but you never know the next owners preferences. I Purchase a VW GTI many years ago and was waiting on the dealer to get the car ready and they informed me "it should be done soon, they are just pulling all the tint" informed them to stop as I wanted the windows tinted and lucky only had to redo one windows.
I am looking forward and feel lucky to seeing how this car evolves.
john
Posted by: Jett Nov 1 2022, 10:02 AM
QUOTE(shredtherad @ Nov 1 2022, 07:17 AM)
It was nice chatting with you too John, the car is awesome. I really don't have to do anything to to it, but finding little projects is fun and I do have the option for the original wheels and also the original trunk lid.
I opted to leave the trunk lid as it is to preserve it, I sourced another lid and had it refinished. It looks really good, very happy with the result.
QUOTE(targa72e @ Oct 27 2022, 11:08 PM)
Its so cool the car ended up locally. It was really nice talking last weekend about what Chad is doing and what he would like to do. Many of his plans are things I struggled with decision wise in bringing this car back.
I also did not like the luggage rack and looked at replacing the rear deck lid but it had the original inspection stickers and thought it would be better to let the new owner decide. Also thought about changing the wheels but did not for same reason. I have seen the pictures with the Panosports and now the Fuchs in person and they both look much better than the black steel wheels (and more appropriately sized tires).
I also like the look better with the tint removed, but you never know the next owners preferences. I Purchase a VW GTI many years ago and was waiting on the dealer to get the car ready and they informed me "it should be done soon, they are just pulling all the tint" informed them to stop as I wanted the windows tinted and lucky only had to redo one windows.
I am looking forward and feel lucky to seeing how this car evolves.
john
Looks perfect!
Posted by: targa72e Nov 1 2022, 10:50 PM
Chad, looks so good, Looks like they matched the color very well. love the Fuchs as well
john
Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 2 2022, 07:03 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=26559 - You have taken the car to new heights- it looks terrific.
Posted by: shredtherad Nov 4 2022, 07:02 AM
QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 2 2022, 07:03 AM)
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=26559 - You have taken the car to new heights- it looks terrific.
Thanks a ton, the hood project was the first time I ever had to do any body work or outsource it, etc... was pretty fun.
Posted by: shredtherad Nov 4 2022, 07:02 AM
QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Nov 2 2022, 07:03 AM)
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=26559 - You have taken the car to new heights- it looks terrific.
Thanks mate! I love it.
Posted by: shredtherad Nov 4 2022, 08:49 AM
question: the steering wheel is much off center.
possible issues:
1. is it just a steering wheel that is not centered?
2. Alignmen?
3. Bigger issue?
It bugs me and wanted to try and work it out.
Posted by: NARP74 Nov 4 2022, 08:59 AM
Figure out when the last alignment was and get that sorted. Have it done as part of the alignment if needed. Make sure the steering knuckle hardware is tight at the firewall just above the pedal assembly. I had asked about centering the steering wheel not too long ago, I'll find that and paste it here in a few minutes.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=361445&hl=
Posted by: shredtherad Nov 4 2022, 10:02 AM
QUOTE(NARP74 @ Nov 4 2022, 08:59 AM)
Figure out when the last alignment was and get that sorted. Have it done as part of the alignment if needed. Make sure the steering knuckle hardware is tight at the firewall just above the pedal assembly. I had asked about centering the steering wheel not too long ago, I'll find that and paste it here in a few minutes.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=361445&hl=
Super! thanks mate.
Posted by: shredtherad Nov 7 2022, 07:55 AM
QUOTE(NARP74 @ Nov 4 2022, 07:59 AM)
Figure out when the last alignment was and get that sorted. Have it done as part of the alignment if needed. Make sure the steering knuckle hardware is tight at the firewall just above the pedal assembly. I had asked about centering the steering wheel not too long ago, I'll find that and paste it here in a few minutes.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=361445&hl=
Crazy thing is I cannot find anyone to do an alignment! Ha.
Posted by: NARP74 Nov 7 2022, 09:33 AM
Plus 1 tire in Littleton will. A bit of a drive for you though.
Posted by: shredtherad Jan 25 2023, 08:35 AM
Nothing new to report except I scored a MOHN ski rack and installed it with some vintage skis, looks rad. Will get some shots.
I did get out for a light cruise the other week and shot some new photos.
Posted by: brant Jan 25 2023, 09:34 AM
Chad
I have the deep socket to fit that steering wheel if you want to move it a notch sat or Sunday morning
It takes 10 minutes.
May still need an alignment but surely we can get it closer
Posted by: NARP74 Jan 25 2023, 09:46 AM
Should probably get the alignment first as that may change the steering wheel position and it will have to be done again anyway. Unless you think it is ok and will not get an alignment for a while. Good Luck
Posted by: NARP74 Jan 25 2023, 09:47 AM
QUOTE(shredtherad @ Jan 25 2023, 07:35 AM)
Nothing new to report except I scored a MOHN ski rack and installed it with some vintage skis, looks rad. Will get some shots.
I did get out for a light cruise the other week and shot some new photos.
That is a great pic. I love the profile of the car. You either get it or you don't!
Posted by: shredtherad Jan 25 2023, 10:15 AM
QUOTE(brant @ Jan 25 2023, 08:34 AM)
Chad
I have the deep socket to fit that steering wheel if you want to move it a notch sat or Sunday morning
It takes 10 minutes.
May still need an alignment but surely we can get it closer
Lets do it!
I will reach out.
Posted by: targa72e Jan 26 2023, 11:29 PM
HI Chad,
Car looks awesome. I did remove the steering wheel to fix the horn. I cant guarantee I got it back on perfectly centered (eye balling in garage). That said if you have a 4 wheel alignment done they should be able to get the steering wheel centered regardless. I did not mess with any of the suspension adjustments and the car drove straight so I would guess its just my lack of ability to get it back on perfectly straight is why it is offset.
john
Posted by: shredtherad Sep 24 2023, 10:22 AM
QUOTE(targa72e @ Jan 26 2023, 11:29 PM)
HI Chad,
Car looks awesome. I did remove the steering wheel to fix the horn. I cant guarantee I got it back on perfectly centered (eye balling in garage). That said if you have a 4 wheel alignment done they should be able to get the steering wheel centered regardless. I did not mess with any of the suspension adjustments and the car drove straight so I would guess its just my lack of ability to get it back on perfectly straight is why it is offset.
john
yup, alignment fixed it.
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