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Posted by: 9146-racer May 11 2021, 11:40 AM
Hi All.
Decided to restore the Crayford RHD car and repaint in the original tangerine colour, however I'm struggling to find a new front scuttle panel.....does anyone know where to get them?
Cheers
Ian
Posted by: VegasRacer May 11 2021, 11:51 AM
Translation please. 
Do you mean a front valance ? Like https://914rubber.com/fiberglass-rear-valance-black-gelcoat from 914 Rubber ?
Posted by: Psw1811 May 11 2021, 03:56 PM
Translation please.
Do you mean a front valance ? Like https://914rubber.com/fiberglass-rear-valance-black-gelcoat from 914 Rubber ?
Front scuttle is usually the piece below the windscreen in the UK - where the wipers are mounted. I had to source a used one, but I think restoration design make corner repair pieces if that’s all you need.
Posted by: wonkipop May 11 2021, 05:42 PM
Hi All.
Decided to restore the Crayford RHD car and repaint in the original tangerine colour, however I'm struggling to find a new front scuttle panel.....does anyone know where to get them?
Cheers
Ian
Posted by: euro911 May 11 2021, 07:02 PM
We call that piece a cowl in the US
Posted by: VegasRacer May 11 2021, 08:02 PM
Scuttle. 
Cowl. 
Who makes this $h!t up ??? 
Posted by: wonkipop May 12 2021, 03:34 AM
Scuttle.
Cowl. Who makes this $h!t up ???
thats why you have independence day mate.
Posted by: AZBanks May 12 2021, 09:29 AM
England and America are two countries divided by a common language – George Bernard Shaw
Posted by: AZBanks May 12 2021, 09:31 AM
Scuttle.
Cowl. Who makes this $h!t up ???
thats why you have independence day mate.
Yes sir, and a "fannie-pack" means two TOTALLY different thing in the US vs Australia!!!
Posted by: euro911 May 12 2021, 10:42 AM
A car's cowl is the front part of the automobile's frame that supports the rear of the hood, windshield, dashboard, pedals and instrument panel. The cowl separates the passenger compartment from the engine *
* Apparently, the author of the article didn't take mid and rear-engined cars into account 
https://www.reference.com/world-view/cowl-car-153aae4007e11a7b
Posted by: wonkipop May 12 2021, 04:01 PM
Scuttle.
Cowl. Who makes this $h!t up ???
thats why you have independence day mate.
Yes sir, and a "fannie-pack" means two TOTALLY different thing in the US vs Australia!!!
true. but now sadly out of date. young australians no longer speak australian - they have converted to international slang.
the fanny thing might be pommy in origin. a pom could confirm.
aussies pick and choose which words they like.
mudguard (not fender).
boot (not trunk).
gas pedal (in agreement).
gear lever (not shift lever).
headers (in agreement)
blinkers (indicators/turn signals).
etc.
we agree with USA on cowl except for the mg drivers.
imagine mad max having to call it a scuttle.
there are other confusing terms applied to the 914.
one i recall is rocker panels in relation to the external sill cover panels.
had me scratching my head in the late 80s.
it was a good thing the old tweeks catalogues had pictures.
someone needs to help provide mr. racer with some rust free scuttles/cowl.
that is a significant car he has.
Posted by: BuddyV May 12 2021, 05:13 PM
Scuttle is better than cowl.
Posted by: AZBanks May 12 2021, 05:37 PM
We have a Tory in our midst.
Posted by: mlindner May 13 2021, 05:47 PM
Well I have a shitty scuttled cowl.
Posted by: JeffBowlsby May 13 2021, 06:02 PM
Personally think side valances is more descriptive that rocker panels.
Posted by: sixnotfour May 13 2021, 06:38 PM
just took a 70 with og bubble windschield ..too land fill
Posted by: Maltese Falcon May 13 2021, 11:19 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=24231 We ship Headahs to Australlia, Heeders to New Zealand, Fachenkrummers to Germany and Edders to France 
Posted by: type47fan May 14 2021, 12:26 AM
Don't forget:
Motorcycle, aircraft engine, outboard motorboat engine, cowl and cowling.
Traffic calming devices: speed bumps, speed humps, sleeping policemen, judder bars, etc. 
Accident damage can be repaired by Body Shop Mechanics and Panel Beaters. 
Posted by: wonkipop May 14 2021, 10:42 PM
cowls connected to the bonnet is connected to the headlamps. nearby is the petrol tank.
fuel is used to describe somebody who is stupid.
when a tyre is flat you look for the wheel wrench in the boot. usually just above the bumper bar where the rego plate is. the front window is a windshield as noted above and the rest is glass except for the one that used to be on old cars you poked your cig out of called a smokers window. in less polite circles the chrome trim strip down the side of the car at mid level was called c%^& armour in reference to the character of the kind of person who opened their door into the side of your car at the shops.
at the petrol station you pulled up next to the bowser.
you paid with a lobster or if you were short of paper you used schrapnel.
the central instrument in a porsche is a rev countah.
to the left is an idiot guage. any instrument containing lights was called a guage.
i never heard them called dials.
a dial referred to a person's face.
for instance. "if you don't wipe that smile off your dial, i am going to have to do if for you". the term could also refer to a telephone which was a fancy device.
pre 1970 other gauges were not necessary apart from the petrol gauge.
it was up to the rozzers/constabulary/bronze/wallopers to stop you and inform you of speed and judge road conditions on your behalf. this would be done from a double bubble with the the blue light disco activated.
all switches are knobs. whether knobs or not.
the stripper (sub base, dechromed) holden was a standard.
the base holden was a special. nothing special about it.
top of the line was a premier. these were barely passable and sometimes featured heaters as an extra. option did not enter the language until the late 1970s - option implied choice. australians invented the idea that being ordinary was special.
only the prime-minister deserved to be driven around in a statesman, everyone else who had one had tickets on themselves.
if you bought a chrysler (valiant) you were a VIP. thats what the badge said.
it might also mean you could get your head punched in for being a smart arse not a smart ass.
a manual is a stick shift, it could either be three on the tree or four on the floor, regardless of how many rations were available in either location. nobody under the age of 30 now knows how to manually exchange ratios or why some cars have three pedals.
the item you sit on to hold the steering wheel is a chair, not a seat.
in a rolls royce it is a throne.
this can also refer to what is known in the USA as the can.
austin 1800s had stickers on the back glass that said "floats on fluid".
don't ask.
vws were beetles/nazi cookers - in recognition of the unusual position of the petrol tank just above your lap and depending on which theatre of WW2 said viewer took part in. similarly J cars were either acceptable or not, regardless of how good they were. for that reason british cars continued to sell in aus when they did not deserve to and prolonged use of the terms, bonnet, boot etc. all fancy english cars were called rolls royces. this included jaguars, wosleys, daimlers, etc.
imported american cars were called yank tanks. the make was irrelevant.
it was known they featured powah steerin and hair condishnahs and were big drinkers.
----
never say valence in australia.
you might either get told to speak english or punched in the face.
you might be understood if you asked for an apron or skirt.
Posted by: 9146-racer May 16 2021, 11:10 AM
To be absolutely honest I don't give a flying f**k what you want to call the thing, in UK where the car is it's called a scuttle.
the part number is.........914 503 057 10.
so come on you guys cut the crap and find me the panel, I'm sure someone has one tucked away somewhere, I could even trade it for something I have that you need.
Cheers
Ian
Posted by: euro911 May 16 2021, 01:26 PM
C'mon, man ... 914 owners need to have a sense of humor (or humour - depending on where one's located) ... we're not 911 owners.
Well, I have to take that back ... some of us are 911 owners too
Shoot a PM to Garold Shaffer ... @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=865 - He could probably hook you up
Posted by: Shivers May 16 2021, 02:25 PM
cowls connected to the bonnet is connected to the headlamps. nearby is the petrol tank.
fuel is used to describe somebody who is stupid.
when a tyre is flat you look for the wheel wrench in the boot. usually just above the bumper bar where the rego plate is. the front window is a windshield as noted above and the rest is glass except for the one that used to be on old cars you poked your cig out of called a smokers window. in less polite circles the chrome trim strip down the side of the car at mid level was called c%^& armour in reference to the character of the kind of person who opened their door into the side of your car at the shops.
at the petrol station you pulled up next to the bowser.
you paid with a lobster or if you were short of paper you used schrapnel.
the central instrument in a porsche is a rev countah.
to the left is an idiot guage. any instrument containing lights was called a guage.
i never heard them called dials.
a dial referred to a person's face.
for instance. "if you don't wipe that smile off your dial, i am going to have to do if for you". the term could also refer to a telephone which was a fancy device.
pre 1970 other gauges were not necessary apart from the petrol gauge.
it was up to the rozzers/constabulary/bronze/wallopers to stop you and inform you of speed and judge road conditions on your behalf. this would be done from a double bubble with the the blue light disco activated.
all switches are knobs. whether knobs or not.
the stripper (sub base, dechromed) holden was a standard.
the base holden was a special. nothing special about it.
top of the line was a premier. these were barely passable and sometimes featured heaters as an extra. option did not enter the language until the late 1970s - option implied choice. australians invented the idea that being ordinary was special.
only the prime-minister deserved to be driven around in a statesman, everyone else who had one had tickets on themselves.
if you bought a chrysler (valiant) you were a VIP. thats what the badge said.
it might also mean you could get your head punched in for being a smart arse not a smart ass.
a manual is a stick shift, it could either be three on the tree or four on the floor, regardless of how many rations were available in either location. nobody under the age of 30 now knows how to manually exchange ratios or why some cars have three pedals.
the item you sit on to hold the steering wheel is a chair, not a seat.
in a rolls royce it is a throne.
this can also refer to what is known in the USA as the can.
austin 1800s had stickers on the back glass that said "floats on fluid".
don't ask.
vws were beetles/nazi cookers - in recognition of the unusual position of the petrol tank just above your lap and depending on which theatre of WW2 said viewer took part in. similarly J cars were either acceptable or not, regardless of how good they were. for that reason british cars continued to sell in aus when they did not deserve to and prolonged use of the terms, bonnet, boot etc. all fancy english cars were called rolls royces. this included jaguars, wosleys, daimlers, etc.
imported american cars were called yank tanks. the make was irrelevant.
it was known they featured powah steerin and hair condishnahs and were big drinkers.
----
never say valence in australia.
you might either get told to speak english or punched in the face.
you might be understood if you asked for an apron or skirt.
Well, I found it funny as heck. Thanks for the effort, I'm going to read this to the wife.
Posted by: wonkipop May 17 2021, 08:47 PM
rust and 914s is no laughing matter, gallows humour aside.
there has to be a cowl panel somewhere in the USA for ian to purchase?
i've seen photos of all those donor shells you guys cut up.
Posted by: GaroldShaffer May 17 2021, 09:11 PM
I have this section. I can cut it down to whatever size you need. I would think shipping across the big pond would be a little pricey?
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Posted by: 9146-racer Jan 14 2023, 08:07 AM
OK so we all had a good laugh at my termanology.....can't anyone in UK find one for me...PRETTY PLEASE..
Ian
Posted by: Superhawk996 Jan 14 2023, 08:39 AM
Seriously?
There must be what - 100 914s in the UK? I’m not sure how trust worthy the graphic is but it suggests only 24 currently registered on the road in UK via MOT info?
Garrold posted a perfect part and was willing to cut it up, work with you on international shippping, and over a year later you start all over but only want the part to come from UK? I wish you luck in your quest. 
Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 14 2023, 09:09 AM
Shipping is what it is. I think your options will be limited. If loaded air freight is what it takes, so be it. Pare the part down to just a little over what’s required. You might get one chance. You might regret a using bargain priced shipper. Good luck on your search.
Posted by: bdstone914 Jan 14 2023, 12:44 PM
Scuttle.
Cowl. Who makes this $h!t up ???
Same people that make up boot and wings.
Posted by: Osnabruck914 Jan 14 2023, 04:24 PM
Go EAST young man; maybe someone in Germany has what you need...? It's a whole lot closer.
Osnabruck914
Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 14 2023, 05:08 PM
WOW. Replacement would be quite the chore.
Posted by: vitamin914 Jan 14 2023, 07:05 PM
OK so we all had a good laugh at my termanology.....can't anyone in UK find one for me...PRETTY PLEASE..
Ian
I don't think anyone was laughing at you or your terminology... I doubt you were the one that christened the name "scuttle". It is just the difference in automotive jargon in various countries that people started discussing - especially when few knew what a scuttle is.
The bulk of 914s went to North America. If you are looking for a highly specialized "piece" of a car you have to look where most of them are.
In the very short time that I have been in the 914 world, I have learned that if you find something you need or want, you have to jump on it and not wait. You may not have the chance again for a long time. I have paid some ugly shipping costs when I found NOS OEM rear Euro lenses in the UK (and got screwed because one was not OEM despite the claim) - but that is part of the hobby. There is way more available in the USA, including new reproduction parts, than you will ever find in the UK. You have to go where the supply is. If there are truly only 24 914s in the UK, finding a supply of stuff would be similar to me looking for Reliant Robins parts in Canada.
I wonder how many 914World members we have that are in the UK?
Like @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=27038 (previously Ansbacher) said, after N.A., Germany would be the location of the next highest concentration of 914 bits and pieces. Best of luck.
Posted by: r_towle Jan 14 2023, 07:18 PM
Well I have a shitty scuttled cowl.
That piece is welded to the windshield frame.
Try restoration-design in Canada.
If not, try finding someone parting out a 914 and have them cut it out for you.
Rich
Posted by: wonkipop Jan 14 2023, 08:29 PM
air freight is starting to settle down again in terms of $.
pre covid it was no big deal to air freight stuff out from USA.
during covid all the wheels fell off things.
i've just noticed pulling together all the parts for renault clio major belt change that its starting to get towards sensible again. i'd priced it a year ago and nearly fell over as certain key parts for the 100K full belt service where off the scale. but a year later its back in reasonable territory. some of the parts have to come ex france as the dealer does not stock them.
i would have thought a cowl/scuttle is very doable right now from stateside with some careful freight inquiries.
its a flat piece and that is going to help with shipping in terms of volume.
weight is the issue.
any good second hand body panel is going to be found stateside a lot easier than in europe or germany. most of those guys here in aus pull the parts out from the USA to do their restorations - but they surface ship it and put up with the waiting times. one guy in sydney is an agent for restoration design and brings in a container every few months. if you can wait and get on his advance order list the cost is not a penalty. a guy i know restoring a 911 here did that.
if there is an agent for restoration design in the UK and i am betting there is somewhere?
they will be providing in the main all the parts for 356 and early 911 restos and might be able to get your cowl piece in if r d make it.
good luck with the part.
Posted by: wonkipop Jan 14 2023, 08:38 PM
doesn't look like RD make the whole cowl.
but they make the two end pieces.
and i'm guessing this is where they mostly rust and thats why they make it?
https://www.restoration-design.com/store/product/PP305L
https://www.restoration-design.com/store/product/PP305R
pretty small parts and and very easy/economical to ship.
is this all you need?
if it is your problem is solved?
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