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Posted by: djm914-6 Jul 22 2005, 10:55 AM

Trial #2

Several people here have asked me about my signiture so I thought I would attempt to have a thread on the idea of a Christian based Sports car club. I'm looking for ideas and guidence on starting a club.

I will not attempt to push my religion on anyone not even talk about Christian ideal on this board. This is mainly a feeler to see if anyone is interested and to aquire email address' and contacts for those interested in such an idea.

PLEASE, don't use this thread to start a debate over religions and such. If that happens again, I'll just delete the whole thing again. Thank you.

So, What do you think of CISCO?

Posted by: 914GT Jul 22 2005, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (djm914-6 @ Jul 22 2005, 09:55 AM)

So, What do you think of CISCO?

It's a registered trade name for a network hardware company.

Posted by: stecz Jul 22 2005, 11:03 AM

What's the goal of the proposed club?

Posted by: TROJANMAN Jul 22 2005, 11:16 AM

how about "Godspeed"

Posted by: ematulac Jul 22 2005, 11:22 AM

QUOTE (TROJANMAN @ Jul 22 2005, 10:16 AM)

how about "Godspeed"

I like that.

Posted by: James Adams Jul 22 2005, 11:27 AM

I'll PM you my info.

Posted by: seanery Jul 22 2005, 11:28 AM

inflamatory comments will be deleted.

Posted by: jimkelly Jul 22 2005, 11:34 AM

In only 7 posts - this thing is coming to a head - Jim.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Jul 22 2005, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Jul 22 2005, 11:30 AM)

Fuck You SEAN if Politics shouldnt be tollerated on this board than Religious Prostelizing  shouldnt be tloerated either  :finger:

The reason that politics got the boot is that during the 2004 presidential election there was a heated and nasty debate about the canidates merits. The admin team decided that we really didn't need to have divisive discussions about politics here.

This thread is an attempt to get like minded sports car owners together. It was stated in the opening thread that this was not to be a discussion on religion.

Also, we don't have a rule about religion because it has not caused the problems the election thread did.


FYI... there are two things I never discuss with anyone. Religion and politics. Because no matter what the make up of a group is, either of those subjects will piss someone off.

Posted by: jimkelly Jul 22 2005, 11:41 AM

I agree 1000% - there is no compromise to be when these two hot button topics are discussed. - Jim ( peace out

Posted by: ArtechnikA Jul 22 2005, 12:33 PM

the initial post solicited opinions about a CAR CLUB. sheesh.
there's all kinds of car clubs with various special interests.
i understand there's even one for Porsche owners.

i see no reason why groups of like-minded individuals should not be allowed to meet for any legal, nonviolent purpose. i see nothing wrong with MENTIONING that such an organisation is being discussed.

Dave's PM and email links work. if you're interested, he's not hard to get hold of. if you're not, don't.

Posted by: nebreitling Jul 22 2005, 12:35 PM

this is not even a thread about religion. it's about like-minded people of a certain faith getting together. what's the harm? i'm not at all religious, and i think this is a great idea.

Posted by: URY914 Jul 22 2005, 12:40 PM

Ever seen the "RFC" decals on dragsters?

I say let the thread stand. No one is pushing anyone to do anything.

We all have gotten a little closer to God when working on these cars anyway.

P

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jul 22 2005, 12:50 PM

I say let the thread stand, too.

Among all the other things tolerated here, this certainly should be. Especially if it's not even DISCUSSING religion or its tenents!

Please put my vote in for Godspeed, too. Far better than CISCO and a cool word with a great meaning, too.

Peace to all,

pete

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 22 2005, 12:58 PM

there are car clubs and christian clubs, I think combining them is a fine idea...


and this thread isn't petitioning that we become christians... let it stand.

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 22 2005, 01:04 PM

Were part of RFC (like paul said, racers for christ)

But, Me and dad are behind you in every way.

Godspeed is cool.

We currently have a website that dad bought that was for this purpose, but didnt get any attention. Its currently blank.... www.teamgracer.com We just host pics and vids from it now.

Andrew

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jul 22 2005, 01:06 PM

i mean, how is it different than "beer drinkers car club" etc.....

1 group of people....1 common interest....

awesome idea guys!

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jul 22 2005, 01:10 PM

You could also do a very cool graphic logo, say black background, simple white font, and two red stripes, one on top of the word and one below it?

I can see it, but someone with skills can probably cook it up -- as well as a few others. Make it in a few sizes...

pete

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 01:16 PM

I like the Godspeed thingy. I probably wouldn't fit in your club very well, but that doesn't mean you can't have it.




M

Posted by: anthony Jul 22 2005, 01:23 PM

I guess I don't get the point of having a religious car club. Is the point to talk about cars or religion? In my opinion when you tack on religion (especially a specific religion) to any club then the club becomes exclusive and non-welcoming to all people.

Posted by: Brando Jul 22 2005, 01:31 PM

I'm going to start a Pagan Racing club.

... wait, it's just me? FUCK.

"Godspeed" is a good idea for your group. But what about the faster guys?

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 22 2005, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (redshift @ Jul 22 2005, 02:16 PM)

I like the Godspeed thingy. I probably wouldn't fit in your club very well, but that doesn't mean you can't have it. M

though I don't necessarily agree with your opinion I'll defend your right to have that opinion to the end!

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 01:47 PM

QUOTE (anthony @ Jul 22 2005, 03:23 PM)

I guess I don't get the point of having a religious car club. Is the point to talk about cars or religion? In my opinion when you tack on religion (especially a specific religion) to any club then the club becomes exclusive and non-welcoming to all people.

Anthony, I understand what you are saying, but clubs need not be all inclusive, and if they aren't, it's just like minded people, enjoying the same things that I enjoy, with a different twist.

I can't be a member of many clubs, I don't need to litigate them into non-existance though.



Tolerance works both ways, and not saying you, but many people don't get that.


M

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 01:50 PM

QUOTE (Brando @ Jul 22 2005, 03:31 PM)

I'm going to start a Pagan Racing club. ... wait, it's just me? FUCK. "Godspeed" is a good idea for your group. But what about the faster guys?

I am not a pagan, but I'd be in that club, if it came with a cool sticker.



Oh, and the faster guys can be called the "Toyota Corolla Club".



M

Posted by: djm914-6 Jul 22 2005, 01:57 PM

YIPES!

I leave you all alone for a few hours and this is what happens.

The name isn't important right now. I know how upsetting any talk of religion can be to this club in particular and to people in general which is why I'm mainly interested in getting names with contact information of those interested. PMs are fine, Email is good. Cell works too.

CISCO is a name that came to me one day a few months ago. It is a common name and in this case and acronim (SP?) so it can not be copyright protected.

Purpose is to get a following of people with similar interests together. Together in this day in age is a wide spectrum. It can mean actual gatherings or Just another contact. I don't know where this will take me. I won't exclude anyone but I won't cater to everyone. If you're interested, let me know and we'll start talking. If You're not interested, then read no more.

Posted by: ArtechnikA Jul 22 2005, 02:04 PM

QUOTE (anthony @ Jul 22 2005, 03:23 PM)

...In my opinion when you tack on religion (especially a specific religion) to any club then the club becomes exclusive and non-welcoming to all people.

clubs are by definition exclusionary.
otherwise, it's just "the human race."

look at us here - we're pretty intolerant of people who think, generally, that all Porsche owners are snobs and 914's are crap.

if you don't see the point, you probably wouldn't fit in there very well.
i *do* see the point, and i probably wouldn't fit in there very well.

because there are so many places where religion is "off limits," i can see that people who feel outwardly and openly faithful would grow tired of having to be "politically correct" all the time. if there are a bunch of car guys who'd like an enviroment in which they can feel comfortable having a group prayer before a rallye, or a dinner, or whatever, cool. there's that 'freedom of association' concept in the constitution.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 22 2005, 02:09 PM

QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Jul 22 2005, 03:04 PM)

QUOTE (anthony @ Jul 22 2005, 03:23 PM) ...In my opinion when you tack on religion (especially a specific religion) to any club then the club becomes exclusive and non-welcoming to all people. clubs are by definition exclusionary. otherwise, it's just "the human race." look at us here - we're pretty intolerant of people who think, generally, that all Porsche owners are snobs and 914's are crap. if you don't see the point, you probably wouldn't fit in there very well. i *do* see the point, and i probably wouldn't fit in there very well. because there are so many places where religion is "off limits," i can see that people who feel outwardly and openly faithful would grow tired of having to be "politically correct" all the time. if there are a bunch of car guys who'd like an enviroment in which they can feel comfortable having a group prayer before a rallye, or a dinner, or whatever, cool. there's that 'freedom of association' concept in the constitution.

well said.

Posted by: Reiche Jul 22 2005, 02:12 PM

QUOTE (URY914 @ Jul 22 2005, 11:40 AM)

We all have gotten a little closer to God when working on these cars anyway.

At any rate, I have certainly, and often, invoked His wrath upon 914s I have been working on. And 914s already inspire, and almost require, a religious devotion to keep on the road.

Whatever, guys, club away.

Posted by: bd1308 Jul 22 2005, 02:13 PM

I have a server with a forum software (completly customizable in PHP) already ready for you to go. I *LOVE* this idea.....


PM me and I'll set you up in like 10 seconds.

Posted by: Brett W Jul 22 2005, 02:52 PM

Good idea. I like the name Godspeed. Sounds better than CISCO. Everyone makes good points except those intolerant few.

Posted by: grantsfo Jul 22 2005, 03:02 PM

I was thinking it would be cool to have an Eastern Philosophy club called the Blazing Buddhists. Man think of the mental excercizes we could have before AX and track days. ...one with the car.

I guess the thing I like about car culture is that it cuts across religious and cultural boundries. It would seem awfully boring to me to be surrounded with people who share similar ideologies. But certainly isnt anything wrong with it. It is a way however of excluding people who dont share your beliefs no matter how you spin it.

Posted by: Mr.C Jul 22 2005, 03:18 PM

Count me in Dave. I need a change.

Posted by: 914GT Jul 22 2005, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (djm914-6 @ Jul 22 2005, 12:57 PM)

CISCO is a name that came to me one day a few months ago. It is a common name and in this case and acronim (SP?) so it can not be copyright protected.

I seriously doubt if their lawyers will come after you. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/swassets/sw293/trademark_statement.html does show the name as a registered trademark however.

Posted by: jhadler Jul 22 2005, 04:01 PM

I thought there already was one.. All of 'em.

After all, we all pray to "our lady of blessed acceleration" (nod to the Blue Brothers) every Sunday morning when the green flag drops.

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter....no, I'm not interested though...

-Josh2

Posted by: bd1308 Jul 22 2005, 04:06 PM

right but in this case, you canna copyright a acronym....so Christian Insipred Sports Car Club is A-OTAY.....

of course CISCO has a copyright on the name though.....

I'd say it's okay though. If the admin gets a email, it'll be changed.

with that being said, NARP is now regestered to me.
NARP ™

Posted by: Reiche Jul 22 2005, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 22 2005, 03:06 PM)

right but in this case, you canna copyright a acronym

I would be surprised if Cisco Systems came after you, but I would be even more surprised if what you're saying is true. For example, I'm certain FIAT is copyrighted (Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino.) Any business-related pattern of letters not in common usage can be copyrighted.

Posted by: bd1308 Jul 22 2005, 04:39 PM

i dunno.....any lawyers in the house?

Posted by: ArtechnikA Jul 22 2005, 04:40 PM

QUOTE (Reiche @ Jul 22 2005, 06:33 PM)

Any business-related pattern of letters not in common usage can be copyrighted.

not copyright, whole different concept.

TRADEMARK is what you mean.

wasn't there a song about the Cisco Kid about a hundred years ago ?

Posted by: seanery Jul 22 2005, 04:42 PM

...The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine....

Posted by: Headrage Jul 22 2005, 04:48 PM

Godspeed. Cool sound. It probably isn't for me but there is a Baptist pastor in town who drives a '73 2.0 who I would refer.

Posted by: Series9 Jul 22 2005, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jul 22 2005, 12:37 PM)

..... I'll defend your right to have that opinion to the end!

I agree Wayne, but be careful, they won't return the favor.

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 05:05 PM

If some people find this place unacceptable for daily consuption, what would we do to stop them?

( Joe)



M

Posted by: Grimstead Jul 22 2005, 05:10 PM

QUOTE (Brando @ Jul 22 2005, 12:31 PM)

I'm going to start a Pagan Racing club. ... wait, it's just me? FUCK. "Godspeed" is a good idea for your group. But what about the faster guys?

Hey don't forget me! You're not the only heathen about.

As for Godspeed, all the luck to them

Posted by: GWN7 Jul 22 2005, 05:15 PM

There was another case of two companys using the same combination of letters to identify themselves ......WWF ...World Wildlife Fund and the wrastlers.....Vince had to change the name of his company.....

Posted by: Series9 Jul 22 2005, 05:16 PM

QUOTE (Grimstead @ Jul 22 2005, 04:10 PM)

QUOTE (Brando @ Jul 22 2005, 12:31 PM) I'm going to start a Pagan Racing club. ... wait, it's just me? FUCK. "Godspeed" is a good idea for your group. But what about the faster guys? Hey don't forget me! You're not the only heathen about. As for Godspeed, all the luck to them

I want to be a heathen. What would the name be.......914world.com?

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 05:18 PM

I have to admit, outside of the board, I refer to this thread as Noah's Ark, and I am wondering if David has a weather report that I missed.




M

Posted by: djm914-6 Jul 22 2005, 05:42 PM

Miles,
How long can you tread water?

Posted by: Mr.C Jul 22 2005, 06:05 PM

Goats can swim?

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 06:17 PM

No matter how long, prolly just short of my needs.



Goats don't swim, but if you pump them up... they float.



M

Posted by: scottb Jul 22 2005, 06:38 PM

hey dave, more power to you.....

not my cup of mead but:

"I may not agree with a word you say,
but I shall defend unto my death your right to say it."
-- Voltaire (1694-1778)

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 06:41 PM

Unless it's about me, right Scott?




M

Posted by: SpecialK Jul 22 2005, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (redshift @ Jul 22 2005, 04:17 PM)

...but if you pump them up... they float. M

Res...sisti...ng the uuurrgge t...tt....to cliiiiicck th..th..the MMMM...'Miles' smilie...

Posted by: SpecialK Jul 22 2005, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jul 22 2005, 12:09 PM)

QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Jul 22 2005, 03:04 PM) QUOTE (anthony @ Jul 22 2005, 03:23 PM) ...In my opinion when you tack on religion (especially a specific religion) to any club then the club becomes exclusive and non-welcoming to all people. clubs are by definition exclusionary. otherwise, it's just "the human race." look at us here - we're pretty intolerant of people who think, generally, that all Porsche owners are snobs and 914's are crap. if you don't see the point, you probably wouldn't fit in there very well. i *do* see the point, and i probably wouldn't fit in there very well. because there are so many places where religion is "off limits," i can see that people who feel outwardly and openly faithful would grow tired of having to be "politically correct" all the time. if there are a bunch of car guys who'd like an enviroment in which they can feel comfortable having a group prayer before a rallye, or a dinner, or whatever, cool. there's that 'freedom of association' concept in the constitution. well said.

Yeah, he's always doing that.


Good luck with the club Dave!

No where near as "hatin'" as the "cuttin' up a rust-free wrecked car" thread a week or so ago.

Posted by: Flat VW Jul 22 2005, 08:43 PM

Posted by: pastordavid Jul 22 2005, 10:03 PM

No discussion of religion in this one, just an observation. Isn't the very idea of a car club, or any club for that matter, (porsche, rat rod, street rod, Harley, pinochle, bridge, rugby...) exclusive in that it appeals to a narrow segment of the overall population, and that in that "exclusivity" folks that share a common inerest or belief can bond and fellowship? Otherwise, why have PCA, SCCA, NHRA, NASCAR, ad infinitum?

David, I PM'ed you earlier, and will again. Thank you for allowing this idea to take root and offer something to those who feel the need for this fellowship. I enjoy this board (although some of the posts and smilies I could do without, just my own feelings, not trying to limit anyone or impose my own sense of propriety on anyone else), and will continue to be a part of it. But I am excited about this other avenue to further enjoy this "addiction" we all seem to share, the sports car itch.

David

Posted by: vortrex Jul 22 2005, 10:11 PM

ok, if you guys are going to do this jesus club at least keep the little boys out of it!!

Posted by: Howard Jul 22 2005, 10:45 PM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 22 2005, 03:06 PM)

right but in this case, you canna copyright a acronym....so Christian Insipred Sports Car Club is A-OTAY..... of course CISCO has a copyright on the name though..... I'd say it's okay though. If the admin gets a email, it'll be changed. with that being said, NARP is now regestered to me. NARP ™

Interesting...
http://www.narprail.org/cms/index.php

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 10:46 PM

hahahah

Posted by: Howard Jul 22 2005, 10:48 PM

Track day coming up. MuslimMiatas.com vs ShintoSubarus.com. Film at 11.

Posted by: redshift Jul 22 2005, 11:00 PM

Scientology is just an offshoot of the 1965 Bizarrini factory team.


M

Posted by: wheelo Jul 22 2005, 11:59 PM

IMHO - There are plenty of Biker Clubs for Christ ...
Why-not teeners too ?... Not all Christians are Right-wing nut-jobs!
or Psyco- kiddie- abusing- Priest... Most are good people, who have a deep sense of spiritual life, beyond the facade of popular culture.
That being said, the name CISCO, just sucks... I've worked with CISCO & been to CISCO... you can do better than that.... God's Speed is way better... or
Via Con Dios.... Count me in with name edit.



- Mark

Posted by: redshift Jul 23 2005, 01:44 AM

QUOTE (wheelo @ Jul 23 2005, 01:59 AM)

IMHO - There are plenty of Biker Clubs for Christ ... Why-not teeners too ?... Not all Christians are Right-wing nut-jobs!

Uhh... not all right-wing nutjobs are Christians either.




M

Posted by: VegasRacer Jul 23 2005, 05:58 AM

QUOTE (horizontally-opposed @ Jul 22 2005, 12:10 PM)

You could also do a very cool graphic logo, say black background, simple white font, and two red stripes, one on top of the word and one below it?

Like this Pete?


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Posted by: djm914-6 Jul 23 2005, 07:13 AM

Name:
Having an acronym is important to me. The name "just came to me" one night and felt it was appropriate. Cisco was also the name of my Dad's last guide (Seeing Eye) dog. I had Cisco for several years after my Dad died (@47 btw). Cisco was a wonderful animal and helped me through some rough times. It wasn't until I had out the club name on paper that I made the connection.

Posted by: VegasRacer Jul 23 2005, 07:52 AM

CISCO


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Posted by: bd1308 Jul 23 2005, 08:15 AM

Howard, i was kidding.

I think you'll be fine. It's a simple banner change if the company comes looking for a small religious-based sport car club....we arent selling anything so i dont think big brother is goign to come knocking.

Posted by: bd1308 Jul 23 2005, 05:08 PM

http://cisco.reactornet.net

go and sign up.



peace....

Posted by: Lawrence Jul 24 2005, 03:15 PM

Dave... a bump for you.

Remember: Illegitimi non carborundum.

-L

(Ya, it's pseudo-latin, but it fits.)

Posted by: ThinAir914 Jul 24 2005, 09:30 PM

I'd be interested. I like GodSpeed much better than CISCO. Everytime I see CISCO I think Crisco and somehow vegatable shortening just doesn't sound exciting/attractive.

Posted by: bd1308 Jul 24 2005, 09:33 PM

it's cisco for now. i can change it and have it working almost instantly

it's all working, just hop in and give your opinion.

Posted by: djm914-6 Jul 25 2005, 02:51 PM

QUOTE (Lawrence @ Jul 24 2005, 04:15 PM)

Dave... a bump for you. Remember: Illegitimi non carborundum. -L (Ya, it's pseudo-latin, but it fits.)

Nah, they won't get me down. I've learned to look past the infractions and wish them the best. Thanks!

Posted by: djm914-6 Jul 25 2005, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (ThinAir914 @ Jul 24 2005, 10:30 PM)

I'd be interested.  I like GodSpeed much better than CISCO.  Everytime I see CISCO I think Crisco and somehow vegatable shortening just doesn't sound exciting/attractive.

While I do agree that CISCO is a little flat, I just think that Godspeed is too secular these days. I'm open to a name change as long as it reflects... you know who (don't want to mention His name and offend oneone on this board )

Besides, the name isn't as important as it's purpose.