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Posted by: grantsfo Jul 24 2005, 08:25 PM

Wow great course, tons of teeners and a perfect course for us. Nathan and Trekkor were 2nd and 3rd. Nathan was on the cords of his Hoosiers. Damn that was quick Nathan. No more burn outs for you!!! Trekkor has really improved his driving. Much smoother and he is starting to get fast!

Albert and I were battling it out with out 1.8s and he had a new set of Hoosiers. He won our class (BX) by less than half a second.

Thanks to Randal. Had my first instructor ride along since I started this silly sport and he taught me alot.

Nathan and Trekkor were in low 52 second range. I was about 2 seconds off the pace. Think there were at least 4 914's in top 10.

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 24 2005, 10:02 PM

Posted by: nebreitling Jul 24 2005, 11:06 PM

great day out at marina today, folks. although a highly autocross-prepped 911 stole the show, 914's filled the ranks after that.

trekkor's course featured a number of sweepers, two slaloms, a wicked hairpin, and a few *oddities* that made for a fairly technical and challenging course. really nice, fun, safe course with excellent flow. A LOT of people were having trouble finding an efficient line, including myself at first. thankfully, after randal kicked my ass about it, (thanks, randal) i stayed pretty consistent. super late apexes on damn near everything. lots of sections where you just had to 'give it up' in order to get your car positioned.

the big news this weekend is trekkor's serious AX progress as of late. guys: he is really getting better -- and staying consistent. he ended up just about a quarter of a second off my time. aside from perhaps Demick and I's battle a few months ago at Alameda, such close competition in Fm has not happened all season. congratulations, trekkor.

i was having to really manage my tires today. in the AM, they just felt 'off'. sure enough, closer inspection revealed that two were corded. i moved these to the right side of the car (course was clockwise), which helped, but i just couldn't get the car to stick like i was used to. after the PM runs, all 4 tires were showing significant cord around the entire outer camber edge... needless to say, i drove about 10 fun-runs after that, trying to drift the entire course. hey -- now i've got steel-belt showing!

grant and albert had their own competition going. i got to drive albert's car and was really impressed with it's balance -- and somewhat less impressed with it's power... both of these guys are building up engines and will soon be top-5 contenders.

also got a ride in logan's super charged miata -- holy shit that thing rips. complete straight-line power wheel-spin through 2nd gear. torque. almost an 8000 rpm red line. neutral. driftable. i was screamin' like a schoolgirl. ride in this car and your V-8 mustang/camaro/whatever will forever feel like a pig.

trekkor will chime in the exact results shortly, i believe....

Posted by: Randal Jul 25 2005, 12:05 AM

Trekkor's course today was actually the best one he has designed to date. It flowed well, had lots of technical challenges and the worker positions were in the right places. Nice job Trekkor.

As Nathan said there was lot of places to get the lines wrong, and most people were, but our 914 crowd did a pretty good job.

My impressions for the day:

Instructing Grant and enjoying his ability to control his car. He is driving a 1.8 and his times reflect a much faster car. Good job Grant. Did you ever get a run where you didn't leave anything on the table?

When we were looking at Nathan's tires before he put them on in the morning it was clear he would be lucky to get 10 runs out of them as they were on the edge.

But as always it is a kick to run with Nathan as that car just goes like stink and Nathan likes to drive it at the limit, OK, maybe a bit over, but that is the way you get fast times...

I still feel he would do better with 23/24 lbs air pressure in the Hoosiers, but I guess I am the only one that believes lower pressures work better with these tires.

How did you end up doing Nathan? Every get a run where you didn't leave anything on the table?

I didn't get a chance to watch or run with any of the other guys as I had to leave by 11:00AM, but what little I got to do with our guys made my day.

The Marina is simply one of the best autoX venues on the planet.

Posted by: Mr.C Jul 25 2005, 12:41 AM

Seen a white 914 on a trailer being pulled by a red dodge truck on the 1 out of Monterey at about 5pm today. I think it had the #s 786 or something like that. Was that any of you guys?

Posted by: trekkor Jul 25 2005, 12:51 AM

Awesome day

The competition between Nate and I was fierce.
We both started in the 54's and whittlede it down to the low 52's.
I'd beat him by 2 hundreth's and he'd come back and get me by 3.
I'd step up, and then he'd do one better.
At one point I had him by .015

On my last run they *said* I had a 52.017 ( +1 )

Turned out to really be a 52.817 ( +1 )

great runnin'

TTOD was 51.043 911 race car
nathan 52.052
trekkor 52.385
albert 53.828
grant 54.224

We had 12 timed runs and I ran 9 more "fun runs".
Say hello to seat time.

I got some pics.

Andy, what happened?

Here's the course map.

KT




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Posted by: trekkor Jul 25 2005, 01:06 AM

Thanks, Randal. That means a lot.

We're all anxious to see you back on course so you can show us how it's done.

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Seen a white 914 on a trailer

That was me #746 pulled by Ford F-350.

Here's one for the folks, Nate. ( cone killer )

KT


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Posted by: redshift Jul 25 2005, 01:08 AM

Ooopsy!

Show that to Scott Kline, tell him that could be a power poll, uphill..



M

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 25 2005, 04:59 AM

QUOTE (trekkor @ Jul 24 2005, 11:51 PM)

Andy, what happened?

got wasted at the show sat. night, stayed up all night to drop off shannon at the airport at 4:30am, came back home and crashed.
didn't get up until noon-ish ...

slacked all day, got back in party mode this evening, went to another show and the "after-party" with all the groupies ( ) and here i am, 3:55am again.

happy and , just the way it's supposed to be!

thank god i don't have a *real* job i need to show up for monday morning ...
Andy

Posted by: grantsfo Jul 25 2005, 09:09 AM

QUOTE (Randal @ Jul 24 2005, 10:05 PM)

Trekkor's course today was actually the best one he has designed to date.   It flowed well, had lots of technical challenges and the worker positions were in the right places.  Nice job Trekkor. As Nathan said there was lot of places to get the lines wrong, and most people were, but our 914 crowd did a pretty good job. My impressions for the day:   Instructing Grant and enjoying his ability to control his car.  He is driving a 1.8 and his times reflect a much faster car.   Good job Grant.    Did you ever get a run where you didn't leave anything on the table? When we were looking at Nathan's tires before he put them on in the morning it was clear he would be lucky to get 10 runs out of them as they were on the edge.   But as always it is a kick to run with Nathan as that car just goes like stink and Nathan likes to drive it at the limit, OK, maybe a bit over, but that is the way you get fast times... I still feel he would do better with 23/24 lbs air pressure in the Hoosiers, but I guess I am the only one that believes lower pressures work better with these tires. How did you end up doing Nathan?  Every get a run where you didn't leave anything on the table? I didn't get a chance to watch or run with any of the other guys as I had to leave by 11:00AM, but what little I got to do with our guys made my day. The Marina is simply one of the best autoX venues on the planet.

Thanks again Randal you helped me see that course in a completely different way than I would have approached it. I had one run that was fairly clean and turned in a 54.2, but I gave up a little too much speed on that very slow 180 (that was a very tough corner on low powered cars). Never had a 100% clean run, but I was getting very close. Nice thing is that I constantly improved my times with each run in the afternoon session.

I was running 28 psi all around with my Hoosiers. I'll probably try 26 psi next AX just to see how it works for me.

I rode with Nathan in his car and I now understand why I cant get much closer than 2 seconds. That car has gobs more power out of the corners and Nathan knows how to use it.

Posted by: anthony Jul 25 2005, 09:43 AM

Looks like a fun course Trekkor. Who was the 911 party pooper? Terry Zaccone?

Posted by: Rotten Robby Jul 25 2005, 10:09 AM

Yes, do tell. Who was the 911? Dwight Mitchells old 911 is running at some Redwood Region events. It was the only autocross car that Porsche ever sponsored. Meticulous preparation. Very fast in the right hands.

Rob

Posted by: Randal Jul 25 2005, 10:59 AM

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Dwight Mitchells old 911 is running at some Redwood Region events.

Now owned by Pat Costin. Still perfect condition, very very fast and well driven by Pat.






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Posted by: Randal Jul 25 2005, 11:06 AM

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but I gave up a little too much speed on that very slow 180 (that was a very tough corner on low powered cars).

Tough corner to get right.

Posted by: trekkor Jul 25 2005, 01:25 PM

Here's the TTOD car. Brad McClure.

First time back since his axle broke off and did some damage.

KT


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Posted by: trekkor Jul 25 2005, 01:32 PM

Grant



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Posted by: nebreitling Jul 25 2005, 02:45 PM

QUOTE (Randal @ Jul 24 2005, 10:05 PM)

I still feel he would do better with 23/24 lbs air pressure in the Hoosiers, but I guess I am the only one that believes lower pressures work better with these tires. How did you end up doing Nathan? Every get a run where you didn't leave anything on the table?

my 52.0 was a very solid run for me. it's hard for me to imagine that i left much time out there during that run... although i think i had a high 51 on fresh tires.

i dropped my tire pressures to 24, randal, in the PM. it helped, but my impressions are probably skewed from driving on the cords.

Terry Zaccone is a GREAT driver -- better than me -- but he hasn't beaten me all season. car prep... the T&D car is FAST, and has a quite good driver, but i think it's not entirely out of the question that i could chase him down on a good day... you gotta have goals...

i'm glad you finally got to ride in my car, grant. power makes a difference, eh?

Posted by: Mr.C Jul 25 2005, 02:56 PM

If I had only known I would of made a detour and told the kids the aquarium was closed! Oh well we had fun anyways, until I broke down coming home on the 198.
Damn british wiring!

Posted by: grantsfo Jul 25 2005, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jul 25 2005, 12:45 PM)

i'm glad you finally got to ride in my car, grant. power makes a difference, eh?

Yep if I had that kind of power and had a good day I might just be in the thick of things with you guys.

You need to drive my car sometime. I'd be interested in what you think about the current setup since you have been in a few more of the fast 914's than I have.

I'm still thinking my car could use 200 lb springs in the back. I forgot to ask Albert what he has for suspension setup in terms of springs and bars.

Posted by: nebreitling Jul 25 2005, 03:26 PM

oh, you'll definitely be a front-runner with more power.

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 25 2005, 03:43 PM

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jul 25 2005, 02:26 PM)

oh, you'll definitely be a front-runner with more power.

just be careful, stepping up from a tired old 1.8L to a 2056 with UHMPF opens up a whole box of new problems.
you actually will have to change the way you drive as all this power now interferes with your smoothness.

now, when i hit the gas in 2nd, the rear end comes around on me. didn't do that on my 1.8L ...
Andy

Posted by: nebreitling Jul 25 2005, 04:08 PM

andy's got it right on. really, i'm still learning how to apply my new-found power. just jumping on the throttle ain't the answer. you really have to learn how to feed it in and balance the car with it. and this is only with 2056 cc's!

plus power eats tires. but that's worth it

Posted by: grantsfo Jul 25 2005, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jul 25 2005, 02:08 PM)

andy's got it right on.  really, i'm still learning how to apply my new-found power.  just jumping on the throttle ain't the answer.  you really have to learn how to feed it in and balance the car with it.  and this is only with 2056 cc's! plus power eats tires.  but that's worth it

LOL! Andy, I dont think I'll have much of a problem as I dont wear combat boots when I drive. Infact I have some very sexy driving shoes that are garunteed to help with power modulation.

Posted by: Randal Jul 25 2005, 04:51 PM

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it's hard for me to imagine that i left much time out there during that run...

Come on Dr. Composer, tell me your mind isn't counting those MS when your not heading towards the finish line.

But is there anything like a perfect run?

I've never done it, or if I did I'd be thinking....now if I can just take than one lefthander without braking....

Posted by: Randal Jul 25 2005, 04:53 PM

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LOL! Andy, I dont think I'll have much of a problem as I dont wear combat boots when I drive.

Don't remind him, unless you want to be looking at his backside. If he gets driving shoes it'll be a 1 second advantage over those boots.

Posted by: nebreitling Jul 25 2005, 05:24 PM

QUOTE (Randal @ Jul 25 2005, 02:51 PM)

But is there anything like a perfect run?

no, of course not. there is never such a thing.
or it's a 1 in 10^100000000000000000000000000000 chance

there is ALWAYS more time out there. it is just a matter of finding it, and applying it. honestly, i've never thought, "that was just as fast as i could go". i KNOW i'm leaving time on the table.


grant, i found a driver's suit to match your driving shoes



very manly looking. very manly

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 25 2005, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Randal @ Jul 25 2005, 03:53 PM)

Don't remind him, unless you want to be looking at his backside.  If he gets driving shoes it'll be a 1 second advantage over those boots.

too bad you guys don't have a clue what you're talking about ...
yeah sure, i bet your shoes would make me a second faster! yeah, that must be it. the shoes!

hahaha, gawd, that is funny. thing is, i've been wearing boots just like these all the time, every single day, since age 15. i don't have any other shoes. i don't *want* any other shoes. that's what *I* feel comfortable with. one gotta feel comfortable in his shoes while racing.
i would *suck* if i had to drive with your ballet shoes instead. they look gud on you guys when you're tiptoeing around the pit area complaining about the spanking i just delivered to you, but they're really not my cup of tea ...

oh, and them boots work well off-course too ...
Andy




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Posted by: Jenny Jul 25 2005, 05:55 PM

Oh holy mother of jesus!! That's hilarious. Nathan really looks like he's enjoying himself.

Jen

Posted by: grantsfo Jul 25 2005, 06:20 PM

That picture is an all time classic. ..I dont think I have actually ever laughed out loud looking at any post on this board. That did it!

And Nathan is that suit fire rated?

Posted by: Randal Jul 25 2005, 06:28 PM

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too bad you guys don't have a clue what you're talking about ...

Did we push a button Andy?

BTW Nathan, your pink shoes are dirty and your feet are bigger than my little petite feet.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 25 2005, 07:14 PM

Andy's shoes weigh 50lbs.

He would be faster in the "ballet" shoes

Glad to hear everyone is having fun.


B

Posted by: nebreitling Jul 25 2005, 07:26 PM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jul 25 2005, 03:50 PM)

they look gud on you guys when you're tiptoeing around the pit area complaining about the spanking i just delivered to you,

ha ha, you've played out that fantasy a few times in your head, haven't you andy?


that pick is going to become my screen saver! randal, we look good!

Posted by: grantsfo Jul 25 2005, 07:37 PM

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jul 25 2005, 05:26 PM)

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jul 25 2005, 03:50 PM) they look gud on you guys when you're tiptoeing around the pit area complaining about the spanking i just delivered to you, ha ha, you've played out that fantasy a few times in your head, haven't you andy? that pick is going to become my screen saver! randal, we look good!

Just stop staring at that 11 year old next to Randal.

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 25 2005, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jul 25 2005, 06:26 PM)

you've played out that fantasy a few times in your head, haven't you andy?

yes. and it doesn't get any less disturbing ...

Andy

Posted by: trekkor Jul 25 2005, 10:07 PM

That picture had me wiping the tears from my eyes

KT

Posted by: dgw Jul 25 2005, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (Randal @ Jul 25 2005, 08:59 AM)

QUOTE Dwight Mitchells old 911 is running at some Redwood Region events. Now owned by Pat Costin. Still perfect condition, very very fast and well driven by Pat.

Wow, I haven't seen that car in a long time.

Good to know its still alive.

Posted by: trekkor Jul 25 2005, 10:35 PM

Forgot to apologize for the blurry pics.
They are still captures from my video.

KT


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Posted by: Randal Jul 25 2005, 10:56 PM

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Good to know its still alive.

Only one word to describe that car, i.e. "Perfect."

And still fast as stink and talk about handling. That car is about as much fun as you can have, a complete package.

My son, Loren, will never forget his first ride in the orange machine on the back streets of Reno.

I just wish we could get Pat Costin down to a few GGR or LPR events to show the people down here.

As to Dwight, I've never met him, but he is one of those people that can show up and secure TTOD in any competitive car.

That's why it is so great to have people like Terry Z. still out still driving with us. Terry hasn't missed a PARADE in like 20 years. The thing I enjoy most is talking with him about the best lines around any course. And he is the first guy to sit down after an event, over a beer and replay the days events.

In my view real drivers always share, because they want to their compeition to know everything about any course and still beat them fair and square.

Posted by: dgw Jul 25 2005, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Randal @ Jul 25 2005, 08:56 PM)

Only one word to describe that car, i.e. "Perfect." As to Dwight, I've never met him, but he is one of those people that can show up and secure TTOD in any competitive car.

Yes and Yes.

Dwight was a good driver and a nice guy.

Posted by: trekkor Jul 25 2005, 11:20 PM

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In my view real drivers always share, because they want to their compeition to know everything about any course and still beat them fair and square.

Nicely put, and a big thanks from us Bay Area guys that you come out and help.

whenever I'm driving I hear you in my head telling me how to steer the car, go smooth and floor it!

Here's another shot of Pat's car.

KT


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Posted by: 9146R Jul 26 2005, 10:01 AM

Great Thread ! Nathan that course map looks like an lower intestinal relief map ! Andy - another famous person - Nancy Sinatra wore boots from age 15 on too. Got her a #1 song and Ted Turner but never TTOD (that I know of). Look forward to seeing ya'll in August in the next Marina event....gotta dust off the driving shoes and driver...time to join in the fun with you guys & gals. Greg.