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Posted by: swood Jul 23 2003, 08:16 AM
Just a simple question. How can you tell the difference between mechanical and hydraulic lifters? My old stock ones were solid, but my new ones "914 high performance race" from Web are two piece. I thought that hydraulics were two piece and mechanical were solid. These were made by Johnston before they went under.
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Posted by: swood Jul 23 2003, 08:16 AM
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Posted by: redshift Jul 23 2003, 12:17 PM
Even the solid ones are two-piece.
M
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 23 2003, 12:19 PM
Stick a pushrod into it and push down while its on the desk. If it moves more than .001 its a HYD. (it wont move my dizzle)
B
Posted by: maf914 Jul 23 2003, 01:27 PM
Check out this thread from the STF T4. It contains some info concerning the new Web Cam lifters. Plus some info on LN Engineering's ceramic T4 lifter.
http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=49380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
Mike
Posted by: Qarl Jul 23 2003, 01:31 PM
http://www.asksnoop.com
This will Shizzolate anywebsite for you. Unfortunately, it has problems with some nested pages.
Type in a page with a lot of text on it... notice the subtle changes in the words.
For example cnn.com becomes a little more amusing.
It's also a bit slow!
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 23 2003, 02:09 PM
This will Shizzolate anywebsite for you. Unfortunately, it has problems with some nested pages.
Type in a page with a lot of text on it... notice the subtle changes in the words.
For example cnn.com becomes a little more amusing.
It's also a bit slow!
this is f**ing funny:
from the snooped up CNN homepage:
Shooting at N.Y. City Hall
One person wuz capped 'n another wounded in a shooting today at New York's City Hall, 'n da shooter remains at large, according New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg." Councilman Joel Rivera be like da gunman wuz talking wit Councilman James Davis 'n then pulled out a handgun 'n shot tha dude's ass n' shit.
The mayor wuz in tha dude's office at da time of da shooting but wuz unharmed, know what I'm sayin'? "This is an attack on democracy," be like Bloomberg n' shit. "This is not terrorism -- that shiznit appears be a random act, know what I'm sayin'? "
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 23 2003, 02:41 PM
Kickass... 
The Snoop translater.
B
Posted by: Jeff Krieger Jul 23 2003, 02:51 PM
What a celebration of stupidity! I wish http://www.valourandhorror.com/DB/PERSON/K_Meyer.htm was still around to take care of "snoop".
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 23 2003, 02:53 PM
Alfred... can you just laugh with us about how stupid it is ??
B
Posted by: rdauenhauer Jul 23 2003, 03:15 PM
Here we go again, no what Im sayin 
Back OT isn there any Part #/s on the lifters/followers to ID them from Hyd to mech. n'schnizit? 
Posted by: redshift Jul 23 2003, 03:19 PM
Karlizzle, I just shizzled milkizzle through my shnizzle.
lol
M
Posted by: Qarl Jul 23 2003, 03:25 PM
From Krieger's idiotic link...
Yes, if Kurt were still around, maybe he'd take care of another Canadian!
(Sorry to the other Canadian members on the board that don't seem to have any problems for what we all post and discuss here).
Posted by: Qarl Jul 23 2003, 03:27 PM
Oh... and rdauenhauer and swood... sorry to Hijack the thread here. I've never actually seen the silly show everyone is chuckling about.
Wish I had an answer on your lifter and follower problem.
Regards,
Karl
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 23 2003, 03:28 PM
don't give jeffred too much credit by comparing him to a prisoner of war ...
know what I'm sayin'?
Posted by: swood Jul 23 2003, 03:55 PM
Dude, you guys kill. I go away for a few hours, with only B responding to my lame post, come back and it's ebonics land again.
Too funny.
and thanks for nothing
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 23 2003, 03:57 PM
No part numbers.. not much room on them for stamping/grinding a number into them.
When they come out of a motor.. I use a paint marker and put what cylinder number and I or E on them.
B
Posted by: rdauenhauer Jul 23 2003, 04:00 PM
Ok one more try.... 
Fizzel this: Other the Raby, has anyone had any experiance with "Ceramic" followers why are they the Shnizit!
Moronic minds have to know 
Posted by: swood Jul 23 2003, 04:28 PM
lol
M
Now that is just pretty darn funny...funizzle. It's contagious isn't it?
B - Part # WEB #00-263 914 Hi performance race lifter
Posted by: redshift Jul 23 2003, 04:57 PM
The idea of ceramic folowizzlers is making the whole valveizzletraintizzle lighter. (izzle)
My lastizzle hurrahfizzle, I can't keep this up in da house, you know what I mean?
M
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 23 2003, 05:09 PM
Its down like this:
Ceramic is much lighter. The lighter the valvetrain the easier it is on the valve springs (higher RPM is obtainable without valve float)..and the heads will last longer.. because you dont have to run some ungodly valve spring seat pressures.
My Dizzle.
B
Posted by: Mueller Jul 23 2003, 05:18 PM
Those ceramic lifters are tempting....hmmmm, what could I sell to finance those puppies......????
Anyone want to buy my first generation Megasquirt? Already built and ready to go 
The Web-Cam lifters are 140.00 and the ceramic are 400.00 FYI
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 23 2003, 05:24 PM
I want full roller lifters for our cars... less friction.
B
Posted by: Mueller Jul 23 2003, 05:36 PM
http://www.schubeckracing.com/rollerxb.html
Our lifter bores are ~24mm, these new roller lifters need a 1" bore for the sleeve.
My concern would be whether or not the rollers will get enough oil support the roller and keep it lubed.
The price is 920 for 16 (enough for two engines) anyone want to split a set???
I wonder if they'll sell just one lifter and roller for testing??
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 23 2003, 05:40 PM
How about you shrink the MF'ers down a little... jeez.
B
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 23 2003, 05:46 PM
Ahh yes.. Mr. Lakewood. Hard to beleive he was hydroforming back in the late 70's and we are just now seeing the prices for equipment drop below a million dollars.
B
Posted by: Mueller Jul 23 2003, 05:53 PM
Sorry about that, I linked right off of his site and those pictures are not even close to being that big........
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Posted by: redshift Jul 23 2003, 06:08 PM
I'd love rollers.
That Pauter stuff looks a lil much for the street... just about right!
M
Posted by: redshift Jul 23 2003, 06:12 PM
Oh my god... I just realized what I am looking at..
That is too cool.
M
Posted by: Bleyseng Jul 23 2003, 07:01 PM
I wouldn't worry Mike that the rollers will get enough oil. Remember the cam is below the crank and gets all that oil being flung off the crank. Its not like a OHC motor at all.
The pics are worth drooling over! How much?
Geoff
Posted by: Mark Henry Jul 23 2003, 08:51 PM
The ceramics are $430. from LN, but he wants you to ship your case to him for machining, the lifters are .002 oversize.
For us poor Canucks, exchange, case shipping, brokerage, taxes and etc... we're talking about 8 to 900 bucks. Ouch, too much. Sounds cool though. 
Don't rollers add weight to the valve train?
Posted by: Jeff Krieger Jul 23 2003, 10:04 PM
Yes, if Kurt were still around, maybe he'd take care of another Canadian!
(Sorry to the other Canadian members on the board that don't seem to have any problems for what we all post and discuss here).
I was watching a program about WWII on the Canadian version of the History Channel a few years ago and they had a History Professor there discussing the program and he said matter of factly that more German POWs died in Allied POW camps than Allied Pows died in German POW camps. For many years, there was even a newspaper columnist here, named Doug Collins, who was a British WWII vet and he held some kind of record for most escape attempts from a German POW camp. He had a very positive view of Germans but he was completely racist. Maybe he was contrasting his experience in a German POW camp with that of the British in Japanese POW camps. Kellzey, not everything you were taught or believe is true.
Posted by: Jeff Krieger Jul 23 2003, 10:07 PM
know what I'm sayin'?
No, explain it for me...
Posted by: Aaron Cox Jul 23 2003, 10:14 PM
hey jeff/alfred/mr scwhenk..... i take it thats you? i agree....not everything you are taught is true.....THE WORLD IS FLAT...I knew IT!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 23 2003, 10:19 PM
Alfred/Jeff,
i know you're attracted to tall, blonde, blue-eyed germans, but why did you post a picture of me?
well, at least i'm not afraid to show my (ugly) face or hide behind a fake identity ...
so much for your credibility,
Andy
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 23 2003, 10:22 PM
haha, no that's alfreds wet dream ...
actually, that picture is me, taken from my web-site:
http://www.sirandy.com/
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 23 2003, 10:33 PM
i vote for a SPAM filter for this board. 
once cleaned out, this would actually make for a pretty informative thread ....
Andy
Posted by: swood Jul 23 2003, 11:07 PM
So will my posts be hijacked every time?!
Posted by: SirAndy Jul 23 2003, 11:14 PM
just as long as you have shizzle in your dizzle ...
Posted by: ChrisReale Jul 23 2003, 11:21 PM
just as long as you have shizzle in your dizzle ...
For chizzle my nizzle
Posted by: swood Jul 23 2003, 11:32 PM
Very well, fo shizzle indeed...
If'n ya cant beatizzle the shizzle, just joinizzle.
word to your mother
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