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Posted by: johnmhudson111 Aug 3 2005, 01:49 PM
Ok, tires are kind of like computers, what you have is outdated, obsolete, etc. by what is comming out.... 
So that brings me to the question, what is the current "hot" tire for the street and some autocrossing. Going to put them on 16x7 fuchs and if I remember correctly 205/55 16 is the recommended size.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Aug 3 2005, 01:56 PM
see if they make azenis in a 205/50 16. i have the 15" version, sticks like glue.
kumho makes some decent tires too....
Posted by: nebreitling Aug 3 2005, 01:59 PM
falken azenis RT-615.
they make 'em in a 205/40/16 (yes, 40)
http://www.vulcantire.com/
Posted by: ChrisReale Aug 3 2005, 02:06 PM
Damn, I thought that Azenis were cheap. They are asking $90 per tire now. Weren't they a little cheaper a few months back?? They are still reasonable tho, I guess...
Posted by: johnmhudson111 Aug 3 2005, 02:13 PM
| QUOTE (nebreitling @ Aug 3 2005, 02:59 PM) |
| falken azenis RT-615. they make 'em in a 205/40/16 (yes, 40) http://www.vulcantire.com/ |
40s??? Isn't that a rather odd size? It doesn't look like they have a 205/55
I have been looking at Kumhos, I had a set on my C5, they were a bit LOUD until they warmed up. Good tire tho...
Thanks! Keep the info comming....
Posted by: MattR Aug 3 2005, 02:40 PM
With tires, you get what you pay for. Buy a decent tire. Bridgestone makes some good rubber, and so does BF Goodrich. Check out tirerack.com and get whats within your budget.
Posted by: Britain Smith Aug 3 2005, 02:44 PM
My car will be sporting a set of the new Falken RT-615's in 205/40/16's!! It gives approximately the same rolling diameter as a set of 205/50/15's.
-Britain
Posted by: tat2dphreak Aug 3 2005, 02:45 PM
if Falkens are 90, I'd pay $10-20 more and get BFG g-force T/A KDW...
Posted by: nebreitling Aug 3 2005, 03:24 PM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Aug 3 2005, 12:45 PM) |
| if Falkens are 90, I'd pay $10-20 more and get BFG g-force T/A KDW... |
i wouldn't. falkens are a higher performing tire -- looks at what the STS guys are running. wear might not be comparable, though.
Posted by: Headrage Aug 3 2005, 03:31 PM
I bought http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=ECSTA+Supra+712 $300.00 delivered.
Posted by: johnmhudson111 Aug 3 2005, 03:33 PM
| QUOTE (MattR @ Aug 3 2005, 03:40 PM) |
| With tires, you get what you pay for. Buy a decent tire. Bridgestone makes some good rubber, and so does BF Goodrich. Check out tirerack.com and get whats within your budget. |
Was thinking about Kumho along the lines of the ECSTA MX to give a good mix to AX and street performance. If I had 2 complete sets of wheels I could look at the AX only tires...
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Aug 3 2005, 03:48 PM
Just last friday I had a set of Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 tires (195/50/15) installed and they are VERY sticky. Grassroots Motorsports rated them #4 for autocross tires after the Azenis 615, the Azenis 215, and the Yokohoma Advan Neova (or something like that). At $64 a piece from discounttiredirect, they seem to be a pretty good deal.
-Tony
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 3 2005, 03:53 PM
| QUOTE (nebreitling @ Aug 3 2005, 01:24 PM) | ||
i wouldn't. falkens are a higher performing tire -- looks at what the STS guys are running. wear might not be comparable, though. |
I agree on my Boxster I replaced my very expensive Bridgestone S03's with the RT615's and the Falkens out grip those tires by a wide margin. They ride the same too. My wife noticed a big differnce too.
Both Falken and Hankook are doing a great job with with their Street/AX tires. I'm surprized no one else has stepped in to challenge them.
OH yeah. Edge racing typically has Hankkook and Falken Street/AX tires and very competitive pricing: http://www.edgeracing.com
Posted by: nebreitling Aug 3 2005, 04:04 PM
i've got the ecsta 712's as street tires. they're okay, i guess (i don't really care about my street tires anymore, car rarely runs on public roads). too hard a compound for our cars imho. i've had them for 2 years now, put 6 AX's on them, and have spent hours on makeshift skidpads with them dialing the car in at different times,,,,,, massive neg camber. trust me, i've abused these tires, and i can't get the fuckers to wear at all. they'll go for another 4 or 5 years at this pace.
so they're okay for a reasonable performing street tire, but they just don't bite like other tires. of course, i consider victoracers good street tires, so ymmv
Posted by: nebreitling Aug 3 2005, 04:06 PM
| QUOTE (johnmhudson111 @ Aug 3 2005, 01:33 PM) |
| If I had 2 complete sets of wheels I could look at the AX only tires... |
then you should definitely get the falkens. from everyone i've talked to, they are the best dual-purpose tire out there.
Posted by: redshift Aug 3 2005, 04:10 PM
P7s man! Oh yeah!
M
Posted by: jhadler Aug 3 2005, 04:26 PM
Tires, tires, tires!!!
Falken's are pretty much the best bang for the buck. -BUT- it totally matters what you want from the tires. Do you want a street tire that'll be fun on the street and good for the occasional A/X? Or is it a street tire that serves regular double duty on the track? The two will yield different tires...
The Falken's are great for small, light weight, low power cars. They're relatively cheap (although the 615's a remore expensive), and handle very well. However, put them on a heavier car, or take them on the track, and they'll suck in very short order. The Falken's have very poor temperature characteristics. Even at an A/X, they will overheat on anything but a light weight Civic on a 70 degree day. It's not that the tire will fall apart or anything, but the grip will fade quickly. On the track, you're good for a lap or two, then it's greasy city...
The BFG is a great street tire for the track as they handle temperature much better. But they cost -alot- more than the Falken's.
The Yoko is a nice tire, but I haven't seen too much info on it.
The Kumho MX is a nice sticky street tire, and can be fun at the track (will handle heat better than the Falken), but the sidewalls are very soft compared to the Falken and BFG, and that equates to sloppy handling. Especially at an A/X where transitions are everything.
Just my 0.02...
-Josh2
Posted by: grantsfo Aug 3 2005, 05:06 PM
| QUOTE (jhadler @ Aug 3 2005, 02:26 PM) |
| Tires, tires, tires!!! Falken's are pretty much the best bang for the buck. -BUT- it totally matters what you want from the tires. Do you want a street tire that'll be fun on the street and good for the occasional A/X? Or is it a street tire that serves regular double duty on the track? The two will yield different tires... The Falken's are great for small, light weight, low power cars. They're relatively cheap (although the 615's a remore expensive), and handle very well. However, put them on a heavier car, or take them on the track, and they'll suck in very short order. The Falken's have very poor temperature characteristics. Even at an A/X, they will overheat on anything but a light weight Civic on a 70 degree day. It's not that the tire will fall apart or anything, but the grip will fade quickly. On the track, you're good for a lap or two, then it's greasy city... The BFG is a great street tire for the track as they handle temperature much better. But they cost -alot- more than the Falken's. The Yoko is a nice tire, but I haven't seen too much info on it. The Kumho MX is a nice sticky street tire, and can be fun at the track (will handle heat better than the Falken), but the sidewalls are very soft compared to the Falken and BFG, and that equates to sloppy handling. Especially at an A/X where transitions are everything. Just my 0.02... -Josh2 |
I have heard about the old Falken Azenis Sport RT215's getting greasy on hot track days or heavy cars. I never expereinced that with the old Falkens at AX's on the 914 or my Echo. The new RT615 is supposed to have much better heat characteristics and is supposed to be designed to be better on larger cars. I havent had any problem with the new Azenis Sports on my 3500lb Audi.
I had an extended mountain run in my Boxster this past week and the Falkens never felt greasy. I'm sure they would be a great AX tire and would be intersted to see how these new Azenis Sports hold up on the track. But given that most people use them for street and occasional AX they fit the bill very nicely for me on all 4 of my cars.
Here is the GRM tests of some of the tires we have been takling about:
Posted by: johnmhudson111 Aug 3 2005, 05:58 PM
Ok, this is about the only place I have found the Falkens, $81 per tire isn't bad.
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireProductCategoryDetailBrnd.do?tpc=FALHV2&tp=Passenger%2FPerformance
Now the Hankook tire at $78 per tire.
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?cs=205&pc=11857&rd=16&ar=55
Now for the $3 difference I am betting that the Falkens are the one to go with.
Thanks! 
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