Poured in the 3 gallons of premium, hooked up the brand spanking new Die Hard and hit the switch for the first time in 6 years... annoying seat belt buzzer seems to work very well...........
So I hear the fuel pump fire off (good)
Starter Solenoid goes click.................
Try again.............click
turn off ignition and climb out (I COULDN't have wired the starter wrong.. .there's only 2 connections) me says..
Then the wonderful smell of burning bakelite..........
I quickly disconnect positive terminal to battery and bust open the distributor.
I conclude that I roasted my Pertronix having wired it wrong when I had to remove and replace the coil (although my red wire went to positive post on coil, and black wire to negative so what gives???)
Mind you, this was a perfectly running Mike Mueller engine with a perfectly running Pertronix Ignition.. I had to go and mess it up by taking things apart to clean them all up. Last time I used it, the starter was dandy with no problems.
Would I be lucky enough that this has happened to you.. and the only reason the engine DIDN't turn over was lack of voltage 'cause that greedy Pertronix was wired wrong and sucking up all the AMPS??
In other words, is it likely I have MORE than one item wired wrong??
New ignition on the way, but I'm not using it as a fuse agin.... see, this Idiot can learn things.....
Buzzer?
74?
M
'76..... at least THAT works....
QUOTE (Brian Mifsud @ Aug 10 2005, 10:51 PM) |
this was a perfectly running Mike Mueller engine |
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I had to go and mess it up by taking things apart to clean them all up. |
was it a brand new pertronix? i'm familiar with the coil resistance issue and compufires. same thing for the p?
k
Well, new pertronix and blue coil (while I'm in there) are on the way. Pelican's price was better than Summit (did a search and a past thread had said reverse was true??).
It struck me sometime last night that I recall having to disconnect 2 black wires (not connected to Pertronix) from the coil to the main harness briefly while routing all the new hoses. I could have easily reversed polarity on these wires which I had broken my usual rule and NOT labeled before I disconnected.
I'll pull out the wiring diagrams this time tonight and trace them down to see what they are and where they go.
My transaxle to body ground strap stud was very very grungy with baked on oil and goo. I was in a rush so didn't clean it up (the abatement officer is still breathing down my neck to get the car registered). I polish that up also for what it's worth.
QUOTE (Brian Mifsud @ Aug 11 2005, 10:17 AM) |
Well, new pertronix and blue coil (while I'm in there) are on the way. Pelican's price was better than Summit (did a search and a past thread had said reverse was true??). It struck me sometime last night that I recall having to disconnect 2 black wires (not connected to Pertronix) from the coil to the main harness briefly while routing all the new hoses. I could have easily reversed polarity on these wires which I had broken my usual rule and NOT labeled before I disconnected. I'll pull out the wiring diagrams this time tonight and trace them down to see what they are and where they go. My transaxle to body ground strap stud was very very grungy with baked on oil and goo. I was in a rush so didn't clean it up (the abatement officer is still breathing down my neck to get the car registered). I polish that up also for what it's worth. |
dough!
Note to self... you know when that little tiny voice inside says "whooops" while assembling stuff and the big "Brian" voice disregards him...??????
well LISTEN TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks
This thread will probably add one notch to the "Pertronix Sux" arguement. Let me explain ...
The Ignitor module SHOULD have been intelligent enough to automatically sense that you were accidentally wiring it backwards, and therefore set off your horn, preventing its demise. That capability (I'm sure) is coming in version 3.0.
Roasting one happens; we won't hold it against you. I was just doing a little rant, that's all.
QUOTE (Rouser @ Aug 11 2005, 02:25 PM) |
This thread will probably add one notch to the "Pertronix Sux" arguement. Let me explain ... The Ignitor module SHOULD have been intelligent enough to automatically sense that you were accidentally wiring it backwards, and therefore set off your horn, preventing its demise. That capability (I'm sure) is coming in version 3.0. Roasting one happens; we won't hold it against you. I was just doing a little rant, that's all. |
QUOTE (lapuwali @ Aug 11 2005, 06:38 PM) |
I wouldn't count on that. |
Update:
Installed new Pertronix, this time understanding that the black and purple wire (smaller diameter) goes to negative pole of coil, fat solid black wire to positive (thanks fellas for that clarification). BTW, I had a Pertronix in my Last 914 Engine and never had a problem with it over 3 years of driving. While I was in there, I put in a new blue coil.
Starter going "click" ended up not being grounding, nor miswiring. AutoZone confirmed starter was fine, no problem with solenoid or motor at all. After scanning this site, I went off to Pelican. One of Dave Darling's posts gave me the missing clue... I was missing the primary cable from Positive Post of Battery Directly to Starter! Fortunately, having just rewired the entire charging and lighting system on my boat, I had plenty of marine grade heavy gauge cable and lugs lying about. 3' of #02, solder, and 2 lugs and I was good to go.
Engine fired on 1 cylinder and ran on for about 5 seconds. After I let the battery recharge, and starter rest, it wouldn't catch again. Interesting and new problem... Inside the plenum under the throttle venturi, there is fuel puddling in the plenum. Leaky cold start injector? Something miswired telling it to stay open?
Anyone run into this before?
Thanks
unplug the cold start valve and somehow disconnect the fuel supply.
if problem disappears, you're golden.
PuHhhLease... Pull out all the fuel under the throttle body..
This can make for an engine fire if not removed.....!!!!!!!!!!
One backfire through the exhaust valve and bad stuff happens...
Especially if you have your head over the intake..!!!!!!!!!!
I use a turkey baster throught the throttle body and soak up the rest with a piece of rag at the end of a nose picker...
or pull the throttle body off and clean it up...
There is also another reason you may have fuel in the mainifold. Check to see if you have the fuel lines running the correct way through the fuel regulator..
if ya have it ass backwards... you can push 90 + PSI of fuel past the cold start injector and REALLY fill up the manifold... Just ask Headrage....
Plus you will be running to much fuel pressure on the 4 injectors. Thus washing the oil off the cylinders and have to rebuild your motor in hours... Not days.....
My .02 worth.
Twystd1
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This thread will probably add one notch to the "Pertronix Sux" arguement. Let me explain ... |
umm...i'd advise bypassing the seat interlock system....or the buzzer. solder the two big yellow wires together.
Someone needs to publish a recipe book for the Petronix,
Ya know, baked Petronix--- fried Petronix---- sauteed Petronix,------ Petronix asado
John
QUOTE (Twystd1 @ Oct 11 2005, 10:24 PM) |
PuHhhLease... Pull out all the fuel under the throttle body.. This can make for an engine fire if not removed.....!!!!!!!!!! One backfire through the exhaust valve and bad stuff happens... Especially if you have your head over the intake..!!!!!!!!!! I use a turkey baster throught the throttle body and soak up the rest with a piece of rag at the end of a nose picker... or pull the throttle body off and clean it up... There is also another reason you may have fuel in the mainifold. Check to see if you have the fuel lines running the correct way through the fuel regulator.. if ya have it ass backwards... you can push 90 + PSI of fuel past the cold start injector and REALLY fill up the manifold... Just ask Headrage.... Plus you will be running to much fuel pressure on the 4 injectors. Thus washing the oil off the cylinders and have to rebuild your motor in hours... Not days..... My .02 worth. Twystd1 |
QUOTE (hmeeder @ Oct 12 2005, 09:02 PM) |
...leaving the ignition on for more than 30 seconds will fry the thing. I have found out that 30 seconds is really not that long a time. |
A perfectly running Mike Mueller engine?
Next thing you'll be telling us it's turbo'd....
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