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Posted by: Nazisled May 3 2023, 08:48 AM

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Hi
New member here with a new to me bad ass
914 ( big /4) with webbers

I just bought the tangerine throttle linkage
To replace the home made linkage that was on there and did work well for a while

I know that if it’s from tangerine it should be quality

But I also ordered this induction from Germany

Anyone have this ? beer3.gif
And will it clear the tangerine throttle linkage ???

https://www.thoro-tec.de/en/p/air-intake-system-typ-4-weber-idf40-44-914-bulli-beetle



( & before I forget ) shout out to the cheap sob pray.gif wub.gif

Who I’m sure would be turning in his grave knowing I spent 999 euros on a intake ������

Posted by: Nazisled May 3 2023, 08:49 AM

Uninstalled


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Posted by: Nazisled May 3 2023, 08:55 AM

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Posted by: r_towle May 3 2023, 09:03 AM

1) change your name, its stupid and its 2023
2) stop advertising here.

Posted by: Nazisled May 3 2023, 09:13 AM

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1) change your name, its stupid and its 2023
2) stop advertising here.


Don’t know how to change it
And I’m not a advertiser or salesman
Hate those guys

Posted by: Nazisled May 3 2023, 09:14 AM

QUOTE(r_towle @ May 3 2023, 10:03 AM) *

1) change your name, its stupid and its 2023
2) stop advertising here.


Chiming in about things other then
The thread also = stupid

Posted by: rhodyguy May 3 2023, 09:18 AM

Note the center pull linkage. Perhaps that’s what it takes.

Posted by: BillJ May 3 2023, 09:22 AM

So assuming you are just new and all...

I have not seen anyone post that as installed although i am.aware of and have bought thinggs from them. Will be interesting to see your impressions and please share.

Also please do find out how to edit your name. It is offensive generally.

Posted by: rhodyguy May 3 2023, 09:35 AM

Most CASoB 914 owners don’t like dropping over 1k on airfilters that look kinda cool. I wonder how the conical filter flow compares to a set of plain paper filters for dual carbs. Is the filter pictured a ‘tosser’ or a ‘cleaner’ when it gets fouled? If a tosser, what is the replacement cost?

Posted by: Nazisled May 3 2023, 09:47 AM

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ May 3 2023, 10:35 AM) *

Most CASoB 914 owners don’t like dropping over 1k on airfilters that look kinda cool. I wonder how the conical filter flow compares to a set of plain paper filters for dual carbs. Is the filter pictured a ‘tosser’ or a ‘cleaner’ when it gets fouled? If a tosser, what is the replacement cost?



I’m sure it’s a tosser

Posted by: Nazisled May 3 2023, 09:48 AM

QUOTE(Nazisled @ May 3 2023, 10:47 AM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ May 3 2023, 10:35 AM) *

Most CASoB 914 owners don’t like dropping over 1k on airfilters that look kinda cool. I wonder how the conical filter flow compares to a set of plain paper filters for dual carbs. Is the filter pictured a ‘tosser’ or a ‘cleaner’ when it gets fouled? If a tosser, what is the replacement cost?



I’m sure it’s a tosser


And I’m sure this is quieter then just air clearers on the carbs

Posted by: NARP74 May 3 2023, 09:53 AM

I don't see how this intake can be any better than the std over the carb type? Unless it is just for the cool factor. Got any tests proving air flow?

+1 vote for change your name

Posted by: JamesM May 3 2023, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Nazisled @ May 3 2023, 10:47 AM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ May 3 2023, 10:35 AM) *

Most CASoB 914 owners don’t like dropping over 1k on airfilters that look kinda cool. I wonder how the conical filter flow compares to a set of plain paper filters for dual carbs. Is the filter pictured a ‘tosser’ or a ‘cleaner’ when it gets fouled? If a tosser, what is the replacement cost?



I’m sure it’s a tosser


And I’m sure this is quieter then just air clearers on the carbs


1. Assuming its just the filter assembly it should work fine with the linkage, only issues you might have with the linkage are going to be around what throttle bodies are used.

2. If you really want to drop a lot of money on a cool/central air filter for a dual carb/TB setup I think these are the way to go

https://www.ahnendorp.com/VW-Type-4---Porsche-914-engineparts-and-machining/Carburettors--Manifolds--Supplies-74/Central-Air-Filter-System-VW-type-4-up-to-2-4-with-Porsche-Cooling--complete-set-for-one-engine--to-fit-with-Weber-IDF-und-Dellorto.html
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https://www.csp-shop.com/en/engine/air-boxes-129-651-400-25560a.html?cache=1683132184
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Posted by: sportlicherFahrer May 3 2023, 10:49 AM

The intake system appears to be well above where the cable system attaches and routes. Unlikely that the intake and linkage will interfere while using Weber carbs.

In regards to the filter, you could easily measure the one that comes with the kit and peruse the K&N catalog to find a washable replacement. https://www.knfilters.com/dimsearch

As for your username, a private message to one of the admins ( @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=1143 and @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=179 are currently online) can get that sorted. Clicking on one of their names will link you to the respective user profile. Communication options should be on the right side of your browser on the profile page. Current name is definitely not going to make many friends here....

Posted by: VolksSled May 3 2023, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Nazisled @ May 3 2023, 10:47 AM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ May 3 2023, 10:35 AM) *

Most CASoB 914 owners don’t like dropping over 1k on airfilters that look kinda cool. I wonder how the conical filter flow compares to a set of plain paper filters for dual carbs. Is the filter pictured a ‘tosser’ or a ‘cleaner’ when it gets fouled? If a tosser, what is the replacement cost?



I’m sure it’s a tosser


And I’m sure this is quieter then just air clearers on the carbs


1. Assuming its just the filter assembly it should work fine with the linkage, only issues you might have with the linkage are going to be around what throttle bodies are used.

2. If you really want to drop a lot of money on a cool/central air filter for a dual carb/TB setup I think these are the way to go

https://www.ahnendorp.com/VW-Type-4---Porsche-914-engineparts-and-machining/Carburettors--Manifolds--Supplies-74/Central-Air-Filter-System-VW-type-4-up-to-2-4-with-Porsche-Cooling--complete-set-for-one-engine--to-fit-with-Weber-IDF-und-Dellorto.html
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I saw these before I pulled the trigger

I’m just not a fan of the look
and it costing even more

Posted by: JamesM May 3 2023, 12:38 PM

QUOTE(VolksSled @ May 3 2023, 10:00 AM) *


I saw these before I pulled the trigger

I’m just not a fan of the look
and it costing even more



To me i think the main advantages of a shared airbox/filter would be

1. To keep water out of your air filters/carbs and
2. Reduce intake noise

I dont really see that cone filter setup doing either of these, or anything other than significantly lightening your pocketbook. If anything if you have that cone pointed forward its just going to redirect the intake noise right at your head.

and 1100 bucks for 3 3d printed pieces, a cone filter, and 2 silicone hoses seems like... a lot

Price of the CSP unit appears to be the same (possibly less depending on current exchange rates)

Posted by: VaccaRabite May 3 2023, 12:43 PM

I just don't understand how that is a $999 euro part, and it blocks access to the oil filler. Also one cone filter has less dust catching surface then 2 carb mounted air cleaners - meaning that you are getting less airflow especially when the filter starts collecting dirt.

The big reason folks try to tie the throttle bodies together is to abate intake noise, but the cone filter pointed at the cabin is going to negate that too.

So, aside from it looking kinda cool - what does it get you?

Zach

Posted by: NARP74 May 3 2023, 01:40 PM

QUOTE(VaccaRabite @ May 3 2023, 12:43 PM) *

I just don't understand how that is a $999 euro part, and it blocks access to the oil filler. Also one cone filter has less dust catching surface then 2 carb mounted air cleaners - meaning that you are getting less airflow especially when the filter starts collecting dirt.

The big reason folks try to tie the throttle bodies together is to abate intake noise, but the cone filter pointed at the cabin is going to negate that too.

So, aside from it looking kinda cool - what does it get you?

Zach

This

Posted by: rhodyguy May 3 2023, 02:47 PM

I never found the carb sound obnoxious. Goes with the territory. Not much dif, IMHO, compared to stock FI unless your foot is into it and at a higher RPM than a 3k freeway cruise.

Posted by: brubou May 3 2023, 02:57 PM

why is his name offensive?

Posted by: rjames May 3 2023, 03:08 PM

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why is his name offensive?


Admins changed it, so you're seeing the 'renamed' handle.

Posted by: NARP74 May 5 2023, 09:14 AM

With this air intake near the cooling fan intake, is there competition for air?

Posted by: VolksSled May 5 2023, 09:40 AM

I guess we’re not gonna find out
Supplier said they could not guarantee shipping to my apartment

So I got some k and n filters for 119 bucks instead smoke.gif stirthepot.gif

Posted by: rhodyguy May 5 2023, 12:31 PM

Buy bigger containers of the cleaner and oil for the filters. Wash the filters the day before you need them. The filters should be pinkish not blackish.

Posted by: Dave_Darling May 6 2023, 11:09 PM

QUOTE(brubou @ May 3 2023, 01:57 PM) *

why is his name offensive?


Look carefully at the posts where he is quoted to see his original user name.

--DD

Posted by: sechszylinder May 7 2023, 02:29 AM

I guess that this air cleaner ist somewhat useless and restricts the air flow compared to the original ones.
I‘m from germany and usually have a good overview of the companies here which deal with 914 related stuff.
They seem to be be very new in business, but when looking at the other offered items i‘m not really convinced about the usefullness of their products.

br

benno

Posted by: bbrock May 7 2023, 07:37 PM

If you are truly a CSOB and wan a quiet intake, you can make your own biggrin.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm-LOk_IBpg


http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=352004

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=307290&view=findpost&p=2868946

Posted by: VaccaRabite May 8 2023, 10:23 AM

QUOTE(bbrock @ May 7 2023, 09:37 PM) *

If you are truly a CSOB and wan a quiet intake, you can make your own biggrin.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm-LOk_IBpg


http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=352004

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&showtopic=307290&view=findpost&p=2868946

This is brilliant. This is what we need.

I question if the stock horn has enough opening to feed it, but thats a fixable issue if its an issue at all.

Zach

Posted by: VolksSled May 9 2023, 10:42 AM

QUOTE(sechszylinder @ May 7 2023, 03:29 AM) *

I guess that this air cleaner ist somewhat useless and restricts the air flow compared to the original ones.
I‘m from germany and usually have a good overview of the companies here which deal with 914 related stuff.
They seem to be be very new in business, but when looking at the other offered items i‘m not really convinced about the usefullness of their products.

br

benno


They have enthusiasm about 914 s that was enough for me wub.gif
But just too far away to ship or possibly have to ship back if needed
So I’ll let someone else be the Ginny pig


they may not be as cool ! But
Regular carb filters are more efficient and lighter
So that’s the cake

Posted by: bbrock May 9 2023, 03:11 PM

QUOTE(VaccaRabite @ May 8 2023, 09:23 AM) *


This is brilliant. This is what we need.

I question if the stock horn has enough opening to feed it, but thats a fixable issue if its an issue at all.

Zach


My engine is stock other than the mild carb cam and intake seems to be more than adequate, but like you said, could easily be configured any way you like. I was told that someone measured air temps around the engine bay several years ago and if I'd have just run the horn straight out to the left side, it would probably suck colder air than up by the cooling fan that required the fancy bend.

I keep thinking that a person could 3D print the housings, intakes and whatever horn config is preferred and have a plug and play retrofit kit for old bus air boxes. The mounting bracket would also need to be manufactured.

The configuration shown in the video did wind up interfering with rain tray so I wound up having to chop the bracket down and mod the intakes a little to make it fit. Still looks and works the same, just sits a couple inches lower in the bay.

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