Printable Version of Topic
Click here to view this topic in its original format
914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Wiring harness snorkel
Posted by: Van B Jun 15 2023, 04:53 PM
https://914rubber.com/wiring-harness-snorkel-tube-1
I know this has been discussed before, but there was no thread specific to the issue and I couldn’t find the discussion. So, I wanted to post one that others can find.
Bottom line, I don’t know the scope or differences among years and models, but the wiring harness snorkel sold by 914 rubber, definitely does not fit my 74. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 any chance you’d be willing to make one with a proper size top for whatever years have this size?
Or, does anyone know a source for one that will fit my 74?
Posted by: JeffBowlsby Jun 15 2023, 05:10 PM
Mark knows. There are two different snorkels. Techcnially called Double End Grommets
Attached thumbnail(s)
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 15 2023, 05:24 PM
Yes we need to make the other version. I can see us doing that this year. My number 1 push is to complete our dash top molding. It is what is taking up most all of my time right now. I have several other items like the door pockets that are stagnated until I can break off some time to do this. I have made the drawings up and can do this pretty easily once I can break off the time to make the molds.
I'll even start up a GB thread to give me some extra motivation to push this across the finish line!
Posted by: Van B Jun 15 2023, 06:01 PM
Jeff, I know mark knows; but the website and literally everyone who sells this part says its for ALL… so, now at least there will be something searchable here and somewhere for Mark to update.
Mark, I would appreciate it very much if you would make this happen. You’re literally the only guy who would…
Posted by: davep Jun 15 2023, 08:09 PM
but the website and literally everyone who sells this part says its for ALL
Yes, the current replacement fits "all" but poorly in both cases.
From 1970 through 1973 MYs it is too long but both ends fit.
From 1974 MY it is the correct length, but the upper end is too small.
Similarly, the front grommet above the fuse panel going into the front compartment also change and was made much larger in 1974 MY.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jun 16 2023, 10:47 AM
Yes we need to make the other version. I can see us doing that this year. My number 1 push is to complete our dash top molding. It is what is taking up most all of my time right now. I have several other items like the door pockets that are stagnated until I can break off some time to do this. I have made the drawings up and can do this pretty easily once I can break off the time to make the molds.
I'll even start up a GB thread to give me some extra motivation to push this across the finish line!
I am torn... I need an early dash for the six, and I need a snorkel for Betty's 74.
Posted by: BillJ Jun 16 2023, 10:49 AM
Six needs versus wife needs.... tread carefully my friend!
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jun 16 2023, 10:52 AM
Six needs versus wife needs.... tread carefully my friend!
She wants her car back, and she wants the six fixed up too.
Gotta love a woman that loves 914s as much, or more that you do.
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 16 2023, 11:19 AM
Yes we need to make the other version. I can see us doing that this year. My number 1 push is to complete our dash top molding. It is what is taking up most all of my time right now. I have several other items like the door pockets that are stagnated until I can break off some time to do this. I have made the drawings up and can do this pretty easily once I can break off the time to make the molds.
I'll even start up a GB thread to give me some extra motivation to push this across the finish line!
I am torn... I need an early dash for the six, and I need a snorkel for Betty's 74.
Dash is in the works now, should havethe tool wrapped up in 30 days. Early with the late.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Jun 16 2023, 11:20 AM
Yes we need to make the other version. I can see us doing that this year. My number 1 push is to complete our dash top molding. It is what is taking up most all of my time right now. I have several other items like the door pockets that are stagnated until I can break off some time to do this. I have made the drawings up and can do this pretty easily once I can break off the time to make the molds.
I'll even start up a GB thread to give me some extra motivation to push this across the finish line!
I am torn... I need an early dash for the six, and I need a snorkel for Betty's 74.
Dash is in the works now, should havethe tool wrapped up in 30 days. Al9ng with the late.
Put me down for one!
Posted by: 914Sixer Jun 16 2023, 11:43 AM
I think I have a NOS? late style snorkel. Will have to check in the cool of the morning.
Posted by: Van B Jun 16 2023, 07:49 PM
I think I have a NOS? late style snorkel. Will have to check in the cool of the morning.
That would be awesome!
Posted by: bbrock Jun 17 2023, 11:21 AM
I have several other items like the door pockets that are stagnated until I can break off some time to do this.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 And subwoofer boxes?
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 17 2023, 12:05 PM
On the list.
Posted by: worn Jun 17 2023, 06:15 PM
On the list.
So nice to find a guy with a list longer than mine.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Jun 17 2023, 07:35 PM
The snorkel (4cyl) also works well in keeping a bunch of wires +cables under control in the 8cyl project...tucks against the lower firewall and away from moving pulleys/belts. The end will also fit directly into a #16 firesleeve for continuing the distance needed wherever your wires need to go
Posted by: 914Sixer Jun 18 2023, 08:51 AM
I have a USED late one for a pattern if Mark want's to use it.
Attached image(s)
Posted by: 930cabman Jun 18 2023, 10:14 AM
Six needs versus wife needs.... tread carefully my friend!
She wants her car back, and she wants the six fixed up too.
Gotta love a woman that loves 914s as much, or more that you do.
Imagine where we would be without them? don't think too long, it might get messy
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 18 2023, 06:10 PM
I have a USED late one for a pattern if Mark want's to use it.
PM sent thanks!
Posted by: 914Sixer Jun 19 2023, 12:13 PM
On the way to 914Rubber
Posted by: 930cabman Jun 20 2023, 04:59 AM
Count me in for a couple (late version)
Posted by: doug_b_928 Jun 23 2023, 10:31 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 Per Jeff’s post are you going to make two new versions (correct length for up to 73 and correct end for 74+)? I have your current snorkel but haven’t installed so if you make one the correct length for 73 then I’m in as well.
Yes we need to make the other version. I can see us doing that this year. My number 1 push is to complete our dash top molding. It is what is taking up most all of my time right now. I have several other items like the door pockets that are stagnated until I can break off some time to do this. I have made the drawings up and can do this pretty easily once I can break off the time to make the molds.
I'll even start up a GB thread to give me some extra motivation to push this across the finish line!
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 24 2023, 10:02 PM
I will be making the one with the larger top at the OEM size.
The original "early " was made slightly longer to accommodate the 6 mounts better.
By all means if there are enough that want the OEM size as the tube is about an inch longer we can make them, but probably not worth retooling it.
-Mark
Posted by: ThinAir Jun 29 2023, 09:55 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but exactly where does this go on our cars? I will be replacing g my chassis harness in the next year and I'm sure that I'll end one.
Posted by: Mikey914 Jun 29 2023, 10:21 PM
Comes through the firewall at the bottom and pops up through the engine compartment in the front.
Posted by: ndfrigi Jun 29 2023, 10:45 PM
https://youtu.be/meuFs3HaUj0
Posted by: ThinAir Jun 30 2023, 02:51 PM
That is a very helpful video! Thanks for sharing. My plan is to replace my harness next year with one of theirs.
Posted by: Van B Nov 6 2023, 06:09 AM
I will be making the one with the larger top at the OEM size.
The original "early " was made slightly longer to accommodate the 6 mounts better.
By all means if there are enough that want the OEM size as the tube is about an inch longer we can make them, but probably not worth retooling it.
-Mark
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348
Is this thing gonna happen? If not, then it looks like many of us won’t be able to have a replacement snorkel.
Posted by: Van B Nov 6 2023, 06:10 AM
On the way to 914Rubber
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3457
Any update from your end?
Posted by: 914Sixer Nov 6 2023, 07:22 AM
I have not heard anything from Mark
Posted by: Mikey914 Nov 6 2023, 05:36 PM
Yes this is still in the works, most likely 1st of next year, as I’ve been cleaning up projects that are still in limbo. This is one.
Will not be a huge seller, so difficult to recoup tooling and expense associated with it, so project is best finished beginning of the new fiscal year.
Posted by: Van B Nov 6 2023, 06:41 PM
Yes this is still in the works, most likely 1st of next year, as I’ve been cleaning up projects that are still in limbo. This is one.
Will not be a huge seller, so difficult to recoup tooling and expense associated with it, so project is best finished beginning of the new fiscal year.
I think you’ll be surprised. But I agree you’re not going to pay salaries with this part. Regardless, it is needed by a great many of us since the “fits all years” is not all years.
Posted by: doug_b_928 Nov 9 2023, 02:20 PM
The grommets fit my early 73 perfectly but the extra length looks like it will be a challenge to deal with. The late Brent Brock used what he coined a reverse foreskin method to shorten it to the correct length. I tried this without the harness inside but couldn't get it. I'm assuming presence of the wires inside will facilitate that. But you can see in the attached pic in situ how the extra length makes crinkles that will be difficult to deal with. 
Posted by: Mikey914 Nov 9 2023, 11:39 PM
We had made the 1st snorkel 1" longer for those that had 6 mounts. That's what you are seeing there.
Posted by: friethmiller Nov 10 2023, 08:46 AM
Mark, I'll need one for my LE that I'm currently rebuilding.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Nov 10 2023, 01:59 PM
We had made the 1st snorkel 1" longer for those that had 6 mounts. That's what you are seeing there.
Why would the ones with a six mount need to be longer?
The distance from the hole for the wiring to the engine shelf hasn't changed with the addition of a six mount.
Posted by: gereed75 Nov 11 2023, 04:10 AM
Cut it in halves. Roll an aluminum collar to size. Cut snorkel to length. Insert collar. Shrink tube outside diameter. Voila - custom snorkel.
Posted by: Van B Jan 17 2024, 09:26 PM
Mark, still need that snorkel for my 74… I will order 10 if it gets you to make this sooner please!
Posted by: mb911 Jan 18 2024, 04:32 AM
Mark, still need that snorkel for my 74… I will order 10 if it gets you to make this sooner please!
Doesn’t Kroon have them?
Posted by: mepstein Jan 18 2024, 05:12 AM
Mark, still need that snorkel for my 74… I will order 10 if it gets you to make this sooner please!
Doesn’t Kroon have them?
Also try resto design since they are making 914-4 harnesses.
Posted by: mb911 Jan 18 2024, 02:45 PM
Mark, still need that snorkel for my 74… I will order 10 if it gets you to make this sooner please!
Doesn’t Kroon have them?
Also try resto design since they are making 914-4 harnesses.
Posted by: Van B Jan 19 2024, 12:16 AM
No. No one has the snorkel for a 74.
Posted by: mb911 Jan 19 2024, 05:24 AM
No. No one has the snorkel for a 74.
Then how are they making complete harnesses?
Posted by: Van B Jan 19 2024, 06:45 PM
Welcome to prove me wrong, Ben… or anyone else for that matter. If you can find a parts listing that I can’t, I’ll f-ing buy you one too just for the trouble.
All I want is a harness tube that fits a 74 since “all years” is not a factual statement.
Posted by: mepstein Jan 19 2024, 08:15 PM
Welcome to prove me wrong, Ben… or anyone else for that matter. If you can find a parts listing that I can’t, I’ll f-ing buy you one too just for the trouble.
All I want is a harness tube that fits a 74 since “all years” is not a factual statement.
I would just call Pete at RD on Monday. That will answer the question for sure.
Posted by: JeffBowlsby Jan 20 2024, 09:40 AM
The 74-76 double end grommet (snorkel tube) is not made, the part from 914Rubber is not technically correct for any 914/4 but can be modified to function. 914Rubber is working on them, but they have lots of irons in the fire. Be patient and work around it for now.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=339059&hl=snorkel
Dimensions upper end x lower end x length are:
1970-73 30mm (i.d.) x 40mm (i.d.) x 230mm (upper seat to center of lower end)
1974-76 40mm (i.d.) x 40mm (i.d.) x 270mm (upper seat to center of lower end)
914Rubber 30mm (i.d.) x 40mm (i.d.) x 270mm (upper seat to center of lower end)
Posted by: mtndawg Jan 20 2024, 09:56 AM
I’ve used the workaround in the thread above on a ‘75 and it came out excellent!
Posted by: wonkipop Jan 20 2024, 12:37 PM
https://914rubber.com/wiring-harness-snorkel-tube-1
I know this has been discussed before, but there was no thread specific to the issue and I couldn’t find the discussion. So, I wanted to post one that others can find.
Bottom line, I don’t know the scope or differences among years and models, but the wiring harness snorkel sold by 914 rubber, definitely does not fit my 74. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 any chance you’d be willing to make one with a proper size top for whatever years have this size?
Or, does anyone know a source for one that will fit my 74?
if i have this right the 914rubber snorkel is correct length for a 74, but the upper grommet end is too small. hole through engine shelf is larger on later cars?
(i ask this as i have a 74 so would not have a clue what earlier cars are like).
but if the hole is the problem. weld in a suitably sized washer to the underside of the engine shelf as a reducer. paint to match.
Posted by: mb911 Jan 20 2024, 01:52 PM
https://914rubber.com/wiring-harness-snorkel-tube-1
I know this has been discussed before, but there was no thread specific to the issue and I couldn’t find the discussion. So, I wanted to post one that others can find.
Bottom line, I don’t know the scope or differences among years and models, but the wiring harness snorkel sold by 914 rubber, definitely does not fit my 74. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 any chance you’d be willing to make one with a proper size top for whatever years have this size?
Or, does anyone know a source for one that will fit my 74?
if i have this right the 914rubber snorkel is correct length for a 74, but the upper grommet end is too small. hole through engine shelf is larger on later cars?
(i ask this as i have a 74 so would not have a clue what earlier cars are like).
but if the hole is the problem. weld in a suitably sized washer to the underside of the engine shelf as a reducer. paint to match.
Yes I guess or find the correct grommet. Took me until after my car was painted to discover the discrepancy and mine fits like a hot dog in a hall way. I would love to make this part just don’t have the energy or time for it.
Posted by: Van B Jan 21 2024, 12:02 PM
https://914rubber.com/wiring-harness-snorkel-tube-1
I know this has been discussed before, but there was no thread specific to the issue and I couldn’t find the discussion. So, I wanted to post one that others can find.
Bottom line, I don’t know the scope or differences among years and models, but the wiring harness snorkel sold by 914 rubber, definitely does not fit my 74. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 any chance you’d be willing to make one with a proper size top for whatever years have this size?
Or, does anyone know a source for one that will fit my 74?
if i have this right the 914rubber snorkel is correct length for a 74, but the upper grommet end is too small. hole through engine shelf is larger on later cars?
(i ask this as i have a 74 so would not have a clue what earlier cars are like).
but if the hole is the problem. weld in a suitably sized washer to the underside of the engine shelf as a reducer. paint to match.
Too long and the top flare is way too small. I’d rather pay for someone to make a batch of the right dimensions and sell them here myself to the benefit of everyone with a 74+ than arbitrarily mod the car.
I’m going to start looking into injection molding companies. Lots of them can 3D print molds now that significantly reduce tooling costs for small batch parts.
Posted by: mb911 Jan 21 2024, 01:23 PM
https://914rubber.com/wiring-harness-snorkel-tube-1
I know this has been discussed before, but there was no thread specific to the issue and I couldn’t find the discussion. So, I wanted to post one that others can find.
Bottom line, I don’t know the scope or differences among years and models, but the wiring harness snorkel sold by 914 rubber, definitely does not fit my 74. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 any chance you’d be willing to make one with a proper size top for whatever years have this size?
Or, does anyone know a source for one that will fit my 74?
if i have this right the 914rubber snorkel is correct length for a 74, but the upper grommet end is too small. hole through engine shelf is larger on later cars?
(i ask this as i have a 74 so would not have a clue what earlier cars are like).
but if the hole is the problem. weld in a suitably sized washer to the underside of the engine shelf as a reducer. paint to match.
Too long and the top flare is way too small. I’d rather pay for someone to make a batch of the right dimensions and sell them here myself to the benefit of everyone with a 74+ than arbitrarily mod the car.
I’m going to start looking into injection molding companies. Lots of them can 3D print molds now that significantly reduce tooling costs for small batch parts.
Van great idea. I would be happy to have them on my website if you do.
Posted by: wonkipop Jan 21 2024, 01:43 PM
https://914rubber.com/wiring-harness-snorkel-tube-1
I know this has been discussed before, but there was no thread specific to the issue and I couldn’t find the discussion. So, I wanted to post one that others can find.
Bottom line, I don’t know the scope or differences among years and models, but the wiring harness snorkel sold by 914 rubber, definitely does not fit my 74. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=3348 any chance you’d be willing to make one with a proper size top for whatever years have this size?
Or, does anyone know a source for one that will fit my 74?
if i have this right the 914rubber snorkel is correct length for a 74, but the upper grommet end is too small. hole through engine shelf is larger on later cars?
(i ask this as i have a 74 so would not have a clue what earlier cars are like).
but if the hole is the problem. weld in a suitably sized washer to the underside of the engine shelf as a reducer. paint to match.
Too long and the top flare is way too small. I’d rather pay for someone to make a batch of the right dimensions and sell them here myself to the benefit of everyone with a 74+ than arbitrarily mod the car.
I’m going to start looking into injection molding companies. Lots of them can 3D print molds now that significantly reduce tooling costs for small batch parts.
Van great idea. I would be happy to have them on my website if you do.
i'll support the cause and buy one.
the one on mine i can tell is aged.
but of course i won't be replacing it because i won't be getting the loom out at any point.
but i will put it in the box on the shelf with everything else for the car.
Posted by: Superhawk996 Jan 21 2024, 01:54 PM
I don’t even have a 74’ but will support you in your quest by buying one if you decide to go that route.
Posted by: live free & drive Jan 21 2024, 03:53 PM
Formlabs recently introduced a machine that prints silicone rubber parts that are really nice (like right out of a mold). Most printed elastomeric parts previously were pretty much crap.
I've seen and held a couple of these parts - pulled on them stretched them etc and they seemed like real parts. Formlabs machines build the parts layer by layer wherein they screed material across a thin layer at a time and then cure the material layer by layer.
Try this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDoUztSoyvk&t=2s
I'm not affiliated with the company, but this is the first time I've ever seen/felt printed elastomers that were anywhere close to a production part.
Posted by: JeffBowlsby Jan 26 2024, 12:48 PM
Attached thumbnail(s)
Posted by: Van B Jan 26 2024, 12:56 PM
You're the man Jeff.
Posted by: wonkipop Jan 26 2024, 03:06 PM
You're the man Jeff.
THE encyclopedia brittanica on legs.
Posted by: gerakroo Apr 17 2024, 02:13 PM
We will have the 914-4 snorkel tube available within 2 or 3 weeks. Its an 100% exact reproduction of the original.
It will be listed under the 914-4 section in our webshop.
Kroon Wire Harnesses
Posted by: mb911 Apr 17 2024, 06:13 PM
We will have the 914-4 snorkel tube available within 2 or 3 weeks. Its an 100% exact reproduction of the original.
It will be listed under the 914-4 section in our webshop.
Kroon Wire Harnesses
Awesome and good for you.
Posted by: sixaddict Apr 26 2024, 08:48 AM
Just got mine yesterday….. 
Posted by: gerakroo May 15 2024, 08:38 AM
Now available from stock, 914-4 snorkel rubber for the 914-4 1974-1976, exact reproduction of the original !
Order yours here:
https://www.kroonwireharnesses.com/snorkel-rubber-914-kro23
Posted by: Van B May 15 2024, 05:48 PM
Nice!!!
Posted by: Van B May 15 2024, 05:54 PM
Oof... Shipping is as much as the part though?
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=17563 . Any interest in a group buy to save on sending to us here in the US? Might help you sell a few more.
Posted by: Montreal914 May 15 2024, 06:04 PM
...Now if someone was to engineer one that doesn't require the removal of the harness. 
Using this kind of concept... 
Posted by: jim_hoyland May 15 2024, 06:16 PM
...Now if someone was to engineer one that doesn't require the removal of the harness.
Using this kind of concept...
Just what I was wondering; how to get the wires into a new snorkel. Great idea !
Posted by: mb911 May 15 2024, 06:48 PM
Oof... Shipping is as much as the part though?
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=17563 . Any interest in a group buy to save on sending to us here in the US? Might help you sell a few more.
That would be awesome. If there was enough interest so would buy 20 of them and just resell to cover costs
Posted by: JeffBowlsby May 15 2024, 09:27 PM
Not that hard to install. It’s only wiring for the rear trunk lights, the relay board (r/r the plastic 14 pin housing), the battery cables and the fuel pump (r/r the connector housing). Use wire lube to pull the wires through the grommet. Easy enough.
Powered by Invision Power Board (http://www.invisionboard.com)
© Invision Power Services (http://www.invisionpower.com)