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Posted by: Elvira Sep 30 2023, 08:28 AM
Need Help. Car stopped running and will not restart. Clay & Betty are here trying to help. Current diagnosis is that Distributor Cap & Rotor are needed. 3.0 CIS Motor.
Local Porsche shops don't open till Monday. Gonna try to find needed part at the track.
Please call or text if you have what I need.
702 340 3405.
Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 30 2023, 09:26 AM
fuel pressure ? lift air flow plate ,,air cleaner off..injectors squeel. No squeel, unplug saftey switch backside of
plunger housing, fuel pump should run all times, ign switch on,,
Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 30 2023, 09:28 AM
hope this helps.. 
Wish I was There...
Posted by: 76-914 Sep 30 2023, 09:40 AM
Clay is sharp and I doubt he missed anything but I have to ask. Is the center contact in the cap (the coil contact) worn down so far it isn't making contact with the rotor?
Posted by: mate914 Sep 30 2023, 09:43 AM
Those 3.0 CSI engines are tanks. Most of the time there cane be multiple things wrong and it will still run, but rough. Not starting at all is only a few things. Volt meter and check cap and rotor. Check CDI or MSD function and Ohm out wires. Ohm out coil.
Hope this helps.
Matt
Posted by: infraredcalvin Sep 30 2023, 09:46 AM
Need Help. Car stopped running and will not restart. Clay & Betty are here trying to help. Current diagnosis is that Distributor Cap & Rotor are needed. 3.0 CIS Motor.
Local Porsche shops don't open till Monday. Gonna try to find needed part at the track.
Please call or text if you have what I need.
702 340 3405.
Do you have part numbers? I might have what you need… cap rotor and silver coil, but wont be getting till track till noonish…
Posted by: Dominic Sep 30 2023, 09:47 AM
I texted DUG since he is local (Santa Cruz) to see if he has the parts.
If you are looking for Bosch 1 235 522 060 (Bosh 03014) distributor cap (not sure if it's the same for a 3.0L), it also fits all of these vehicles as well:
BMW
71 2.8 Bavaria Base
69-71 2500 Base
69-71 2800 Base
69-71 2800CS Base
72-74 3.0CS Base
72-74 3.0CSi Base
72-74 3.0S Base
72-74 Bavaria Base
Mercedes Benz
69 230 Base
68-70 250 Base
70-72 250C Base
69-71 280S Base
72 280SE 4.5
70-72 280SE Base
68-69 300SEL Base
Porsche
68,74 911 Base
74-75 911 Carrera
68 911 L
69-77 911 S
69-73 911 (submodel: E, T)
70-71 914 6
Volvo
70-71 164 Base
Posted by: infraredcalvin Sep 30 2023, 10:10 AM
Hmmm, maybe not, these are for my 3 liter early turbo… happy to donate any of these if it’ll work on your car or in a parts trade that’ll get you running…
Cap and rotor:
Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 30 2023, 10:11 AM
Cap was hanging by one clip. It tilted and caused a backfire. We have spark from the coil wire, but nothing on #1 and #3. It tries to run on a few cylinders, but not enough to make any power. I think the cap is hosed.
Posted by: infraredcalvin Sep 30 2023, 10:11 AM
Coil:
Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 30 2023, 10:12 AM
I can't verify part numbers here.
Posted by: infraredcalvin Sep 30 2023, 10:20 AM
Btw, pelican and Smc among others have booths, they may be able to rush a part up here too…
Posted by: PatMc Sep 30 2023, 10:31 AM
Tried calling...went to voicemail.
It's a bit of a trek, but the Parts Authority / IMC in San Jose has a bosch 03008 cap in stock in they're open till 3:00 today.
Not sure if they'll sell over the counter to walk in customers...call 'em and ask. If they won't, I can put it on my acct on will call for you and we can settle up later.
Posted by: mate914 Sep 30 2023, 10:39 AM
Cap was hanging by one clip. It tilted and caused a backfire. We have spark from the coil wire, but nothing on #1 and #3. It tries to run on a few cylinders, but not enough to make any power. I think the cap is hosed.
I think the cap is also bad. Have access to a volt meter? I can get you the ohm numbers. Does the magnetic pick up look damaged from loose cap, bent and now missing on those cylinders?
Matt
Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 30 2023, 10:46 AM
Cap was hanging by one clip. It tilted and caused a backfire. We have spark from the coil wire, but nothing on #1 and #3. It tries to run on a few cylinders, but not enough to make any power. I think the cap is hosed.
I think the cap is also bad. Have access to a volt meter? I can get you the ohm numbers. Does the magnetic pick up look damaged from loose cap, bent and now missing on those cylinders?
Matt
No access to a volt meter. Visually inspected the reluctor. Didn't see anything wrong.
Posted by: dug Sep 30 2023, 10:50 AM
Sorry I checked and don't have any 3.0 ignition bits.
Posted by: JamesJ Sep 30 2023, 11:00 AM
Tried calling...went to voicemail.
It's a bit of a trek, but the Parts Authority / IMC in San Jose has a bosch 03008 cap in stock in they're open till 3:00 today.
Not sure if they'll sell over the counter to walk in customers...call 'em and ask. If they won't, I can put it on my acct on will call for you and we can settle up later.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=25669 @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=22984
IMC is 20 minutes from me. They do not take walk-ins and I don't have an account, but I can pick up what is needed if part number(s) can be verified. I will be arriving at Rennsport tomorrow morning.
Posted by: Elvira Sep 30 2023, 11:20 AM
Thank you all for your offers, information and support. Found one at Fastlane in Santa Cruz. Headed there now to pick up the parts. Wish us luck.
Posted by: Gint Sep 30 2023, 11:33 AM
Good Luck JP!!!
Posted by: mate914 Sep 30 2023, 12:17 PM
Thank you all for your offers, information and support. Found one at Fastlane in Santa Cruz. Headed there now to pick up the parts. Wish us luck.
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=22984
The shop your going too should have a volt meter. Take your bad cap and check it there.
Also good rule for every one. Get a volt meter and lean how to use it.
I hope it works for you.
Matt
Posted by: Elvira Sep 30 2023, 12:28 PM
Got the parts in hand. Thanks Mario and Tim at Fastlane.
Headed back to see if it solves the problem.
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Posted by: Elvira Sep 30 2023, 01:07 PM
SUCCESS.
Thanks Clay and Betty.
Posted by: StarBear Sep 30 2023, 01:09 PM
We all LOVE happy endings here. Great job, folks! 
Posted by: rick 918-S Sep 30 2023, 01:24 PM
Clay is the man!
Posted by: rick 918-S Sep 30 2023, 01:24 PM
Clay is the man!
Posted by: Elvira Sep 30 2023, 01:40 PM
Clay is the man!
You can say that again.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Sep 30 2023, 01:46 PM
Up and running is a good thing ! Tim and Mario at Fast Lane, Betty & Clay in the parts shuttle car The Best!!
Posted by: Cairo94507 Sep 30 2023, 01:48 PM
You just can't find better people anywhere. 
Posted by: Literati914 Sep 30 2023, 01:54 PM
..Betty & Clay in the parts shuttle car The Best!!
You just can't find better people anywhere.
This is true, you were so lucky to have them around !!
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Posted by: Elvira Sep 30 2023, 03:11 PM
Family Reunion.
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Posted by: mate914 Sep 30 2023, 03:21 PM
Can we see pics of bad cap?
Matt
Posted by: Elvira Sep 30 2023, 07:31 PM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=10102 
I don't see anything?
Posted by: Dominic Sep 30 2023, 08:06 PM
good to hear you got the parts. I have to see if J West can fix my side shift coupler bushings tomorrow morning...apparently mine turned to dust (after 50 years)
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Posted by: Dave_Darling Sep 30 2023, 09:27 PM
I'd hold out for the 914rubber bushings. The ones that are commonly-available are for the 911, and the center hole is a bit oblong.
--DD
Posted by: mate914 Oct 1 2023, 05:58 AM
@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=10102
I don't see anything?
Wow, the tip of your rotor is brunt off.
I am glad you got it going again.
Matt
Posted by: rgalla9146 Oct 1 2023, 06:22 AM
When I heard the words '3.0' 'CIS' and 'backfire' I immediately said to myself...plastic
intake manifold. Kablamo ! Glad I was wrong.
Good job Clay and the 914 team!
Posted by: rick 918-S Oct 1 2023, 07:04 AM
Heading to one of the WCR events Sandy and I stopped to eat. Came out and the Alien wouldn't start. Check the cap and found a deep carbon track under coil boot. I cleaned the house out as good as I could and said wish I had something to seal that carbon track. Sandy said how about finger nail polish? 
20 minutes later we were back on the road. 
Posted by: jim_hoyland Oct 1 2023, 07:18 AM
Great story and ending.
Isn’t the center post on the cap replaceable ?
Posted by: jim_hoyland Oct 1 2023, 09:06 AM
Is carriying a spare cap essential ?
Posted by: ejm Oct 1 2023, 11:10 AM
good to hear you got the parts. I have to see if J West can fix my side shift coupler bushings tomorrow morning...apparently mine turned to dust (after 50 years)
Quick fix when you're on the road is to slip a couple of 14mm sockets into the coupler as bushings and wrap it with duct tape to keep them there.
Posted by: Dominic Oct 1 2023, 03:32 PM
I'd hold out for the 914rubber bushings. The ones that are commonly-available are for the 911, and the center hole is a bit oblong.
--DD
Thanks Dave, I got it all sorted this morning, J West had the proper bushing and some friends in the paddock helped me install them. Nice tight fit, no play! $8.00 well spent.
Thanks,
Dominic
Posted by: Geezer914 Oct 1 2023, 04:57 PM
I have Mallory Unilite in my 914. I have always carried a spare cap, rotor and points or ignition module. You never know!
Posted by: StarBear Oct 1 2023, 07:23 PM
I have Mallory Unilite in my 914. I have always carried a spare cap, rotor and points or ignition module. You never know!
And coil.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Oct 2 2023, 02:46 PM
Back home and on the computer.
I think the cap and rotor on Elvira may have been a non Bosch copy. The retaining clips on the distributor didn't fit tight,and the rotor was slightly indented in the middle. I am thinking a Chinese copy that caused the clip to come off due to it being a couple of millimeters shorter than an original.
The new one was definitely a Bosch part, and it fit much better. And the most important thing is that it worked.
John got home OK, so happy endings all around!
Posted by: Sm914650 Oct 2 2023, 03:59 PM
Im sitting here reading this on the side of the road off the freeway in Castroville waiting for a tow back to the mechanic in the Peninsula right now. Glad I was able to make it thru the week at least 
Posted by: VegasRacer Oct 2 2023, 07:05 PM
I think the cap and rotor on Elvira may have been a non Bosch copy.
Old cap says: 1235 522 053. And: 983.
Rotor says: 1 234 33. Also: 2346 R1. And: 983 2.4.
4 years old, I think.
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