I take back everything I ever said about how a well-set-up tailshifter is "just as good" as a side-shifter. The side-shifter in my car now after my driveline swap is WAY better than the perfectly set up tailshifter I pulled out, and the firewall bushing isn't even installed (it popped out, need to try again). If it got better still after replacing that bushing, it will be Honda quality.
Anyone still using a tailshifter should ignore all of my previous advice and get a side-shifter ASAP. I'm amazed at the difference between this gearbox and the side-shifter in my old '73.
Here, here! I just did the swap yesterday. Easy to feel the gates over the tailshifter. However the tailshifter did have a buttery smooth flow to it, but gear guessing was needed. I boiled the bushing in water in the microwave for about 15 minutes, and a couple smacks with a dead blow hammer and it went right in.
enjoying that Crowpie...mr. know-it-all?
QUOTE (lapuwali @ Aug 24 2005, 07:08 PM) |
I take back everything I ever said about how a well-set-up tailshifter is "just as good" as a side-shifter. and the firewall bushing isn't even installed (it popped out, need to try again). |
It's good to hear this. My basket case sixer was converted to a side shifer during restoration with all new bushings. I almost wish I could have driven the car before conversion so I could compare the two shifters.
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It's good to hear this. My basket case sixer was converted to a side shifer during restoration with all new bushings. I almost wish I could have driven the car before conversion so I could compare the two shifters. |
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the /6 transmission is different (better??) enough from the /4 tailshifter to be better, or at least a few I have driven, I wouldn't worry too much... |
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Make a diagonal cut in your firewall bushing and "screw" it in place. Makes it real easy |
QUOTE (lapuwali @ Aug 24 2005, 06:08 PM) |
I'm amazed at the difference between this gearbox and the side-shifter in my old '73. |
Disagree, with the correct bushings, and a good condition tranny, my tail shifters are just great. Also have driven many side shifters, with new bushings too, and did not really notice the difference, certainly not worth my effort to convert a car to one. The tail shifter when set up correctly is wounderful. A short shift lever, will reduce the throw, and I personally like that. You may not think so, but my advice for a tail shifter car with problems is to check / replace the bushings if you still have trouble, if that ain't it, check the tranny mounts, and engine mounts for sloppienesss, finally if still bad, look for wear in the shift mechanism, or tranny. besides that, if everyone tried to convert to a side shifter, there wouldn't be enough parts in the world to do it, unless we parted out all the side shifters for their trannies and related parts to put in the tail shifter cars.
All hail the tail shifter!!!
Shouldn't you be keeping this your little secret so you can have a never-ending supply of $50 tail shifter trannies?
Really you ain't driven my 70 with a side shift. 1st/ 2nd shifts like a Porsche should. Never compare to a Honda
This is one of the issues that steered me to a '74 over a '70. That and the 2 liter motor, better window regulators, actually there were a lot of things
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I didn't know the 6 tranny itself was different from the 4 - other than the ratios, of course. |
That's the cool thing about these cars. Most model year parts fit most model year cars. Cept them ugly 75 + bumpers. But even that can be worked around.
I got a 70 built Jan 1970. side shift from 73, 2.0L from 74, Late driver door with crash bar and early regulator. Early pass door. Late passenger seat. Fuchs, Mahles and Early Pedrini's, Diamond wheels cira 2005. Early and late targa tops.
What ever works
I never thought even a side-shifter would be "honda like" but I drove Betty's car, and you could shift every gear with a thumb and fore finger...
the side-shifter in my old car didn't have 1 bushing still in place and so it shifted like SHIT... Clay's(Betty's, really) car made me excited about getting mine on the road(which is ALMOST was last night, but that's a different story..) to see how new bushings feel..
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I tried putting the bushing in boiling water, hitting it with a hammer, etc. It wasn't going in at all. What finally worked was getting one edge started in the hole, then taking a round rubber mallet, placing the head against the bushing and applying steady strong pressure instead of whacking it. Finally it popped in. It wasn't easy but I didn't have to slice and "screw". |
a couple of things with the shift lever. the bushings that cradle the spring at the ball of the lever can make a big dif when renewed. also note the little sleeve sticking out of the hole at the bottom. gotta have that one too.
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I think the trick is to actually boil the bushing itself. I, too, put mine in boiling water, but AFTER I'd boiled the water. No luck. SirAndy says to put it in the water and boil the water in a microwave. |
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i did once have an issue upshifting from 2nd that wound up in 5th instead of 3rd |
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The sloppy shifting was the only thing I didn't like much about the 914 (356s can be worse!). I suppose you could get used to the slop after a while. Hopefully once I get mine together I won't have this problem. |
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