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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ 951 Stub's - will these work?

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 13 2005, 06:10 PM

For the 944 axle/944 cv setup? these stubs and pre 74 911 hubs?

how many splines so the 911 hubs have??

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Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 13 2005, 07:37 PM

bumpo

25 splines....

so... there are 25 splines on a 914/6|911 Hub???

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnddddddddddddddyyyyyyyyyyyyy???? Ccccclllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???????

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2005, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 13 2005, 06:37 PM)
so... there are 25 splines on a 914/6|911 Hub???

mine (944 stubbies) look very much the same but i count 28 splines ...

Andy

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Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2005, 08:35 PM

nuther ...

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Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 13 2005, 08:47 PM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Sep 13 2005, 07:35 PM)

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 13 2005, 06:37 PM)
so... there are 25 splines on a 914/6|911 Hub???

mine (944 stubbies) look very much the same but i count 28 splines ...

Andy

yeah - i got 27 the first time.... but read 25 or 33 were available... but then realized, thats for CV splines

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 13 2005, 08:48 PM

thanks andy...

now i need some CV's and some hubs.... and some output flanges

BTW - i payed single digits for the pair

Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 13 2005, 09:17 PM

I found out one detail that was missing.....

If you look at the 944 stubs, they have a shoulder. The 911 stubs do not. If you use the 944 stubs, they won't put the preload on the inboard side of the bearing.

You need a set of these. They are spacer rings that take up the slack where the shoulder is.

Call Wes Hildreth and tell him you need a set. He has them for sale. 972-423-8526.

Oh.. and work is taking a big bite out of my 914club time lately.

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Posted by: redshift Sep 13 2005, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 13 2005, 10:48 PM)

BTW - i payed single digits for the pair

You? Paid money for car parts?

LMAO! Move this to the sandbox!

M

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 13 2005, 10:36 PM

clay - can you elaborate? paint drawing or such?

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2005, 11:06 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 13 2005, 09:36 PM)
clay - can you elaborate? paint drawing or such?

i *think* what he means is that once the stubaxle is slid into the hub, the resulting surface that goes inside the wheel bearing is wider than the bearing itself, allowing for the hub to move (sideways) inside the bearing.

a small spacer on the stubaxle side of things would make it a tight & schnugg fit ...
Andy

PS: good catch clay!

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 13 2005, 11:09 PM

i just did a quick measurement, about 3/16" of spacer needed ...

Andy

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 09:10 AM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Sep 13 2005, 10:09 PM)
i just did a quick measurement, about 3/16" of spacer needed ...

Andy

same as milling down the edge of the hub?

Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 14 2005, 09:23 AM

Mill down the edge of the hub and the back of the 944 stub axle hits the inside of the trailing arm.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 09:29 AM

where does this spacer go?

edit one of the above pics with an arrow....

Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 14 2005, 09:42 AM

Excuses the lousy paintbrush editing......

The spacer goes over the stub axle. It takes up the slack between the stub and the bearing caused by the shoulder on the 944 stub.

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Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 09:43 AM

sweet drawing...
how much does wes want for them??

cheaper to make em on a lathe id guess...

Posted by: ClayPerrine Sep 14 2005, 09:48 AM

I don't know. It didn't take him long to make the set in the picture. Call him and ask.

He can probably turn a set out today.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 09:54 AM

thanks for the info clay. again, you rock....

BTW - i just scored a set of 915 coarse spline flanges for 40 shipped

Posted by: andys Sep 14 2005, 10:06 AM

I looked up the references for the bearings, and it appears as if the 944, '83-'88 uses the same bearing sets; it lists an inner and an outer set for each rear wheel along with a grease seal. I suspect that shoulder is where the grease seal rides. '89-'91 S2, and '91-94 968 use the same bearing as the late 911's (#513180), which has the same bore as the 914 bearing (42mm), but a larger OD (80mm) and length (42mm). FWIW.

Andys

Posted by: 914MF Sep 14 2005, 10:11 AM

Where did you get the 915 flanges from and do they have more?

Posted by: brer Sep 14 2005, 10:16 AM

coarse spline flanges. hmm.

is that how you ask for them?
or is there a particular part number someone knows?

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 10:21 AM

Coarse Spline 915 output flanges.... as opposed to fine spline....

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 10:24 AM

BRER/WXJEEP

If my sale goes south cuz of you.... ill kill you both

Posted by: brer Sep 14 2005, 10:30 AM

maybe we could get wes to make up a few sets at once and he'd make a special price?
i'm game.

Posted by: brer Sep 14 2005, 10:32 AM

oh

sorry pal. I dont want to pay more than you did though.
that would make me look baad.

if it does goes south i'll sell you my early hubs.

Posted by: 1bad914 Sep 14 2005, 11:22 AM

Sorry to hijack the thread, but Monday is Talk Like Pirate Day...arrgghhh!

I have access to 944 drive axles, are the cv or axles usable on the 914, are they stronger than stock 914, this is for a V8 conversion.

Posted by: 914MF Sep 14 2005, 12:23 PM

Please don't kill me!

Posted by: datapace Sep 14 2005, 12:32 PM

They need to be 6 bolt output shafts (to match the 944 CVs). I believe most 915 coarse spline shafts were 4 bolt w/2 pins like the stock 914 ones just with a bigger CV. Looking at my earlier notes from Clay, the 6 bolts were used in some 75-77 915s and 1976 912E tranny.

Good luck finding everything. I was going to do this, but ended up going w/later Carrera axles with the friction welded stubs and adapaters from patrick motorsports. Much less headache tracking down the parts and machining things.

-bryan

Posted by: Aaron Cox Sep 14 2005, 01:34 PM

QUOTE (datapace @ Sep 14 2005, 11:32 AM)
They need to be 6 bolt output shafts (to match the 944 CVs). I believe most 915 coarse spline shafts were 4 bolt w/2 pins like the stock 914 ones just with a bigger CV. Looking at my earlier notes from Clay, the 6 bolts were used in some 75-77 915s and 1976 912E tranny.

Good luck finding everything. I was going to do this, but ended up going w/later Carrera axles with the friction welded stubs and adapaters from patrick motorsports. Much less headache tracking down the parts and machining things.

-bryan

doh! ill wait and see if i get 6 bolts or 4 bolt 915 flanges....