Is there an adapter to go from a Ford 351C to a Porsche transmission?? I have searched around some and can't seem to find one. All are for a Chevy so far.
That might be because the Ford block MAY be too long to fit. Call Kennedy and they will tell you the whole scoop.
You've been looking in the wrong place
http://www.kennedyeng.com
These guys make the adapters and flywheels for just about anything.
QUOTE (Brian Mifsud @ Sep 26 2005, 08:52 AM) |
That might be because the Ford block MAY be too long to fit. Call Kennedy and they will tell you the whole scoop. |
QUOTE (Mueller @ Sep 26 2005, 09:52 AM) |
You've been looking in the wrong place ![]() http://www.kennedyeng.com These guys make the adapters and flywheels for just about anything. |
There are wyas to get the trans bolted to the motor, but it will not fit into a 914 w/o cutting into the firewall for distributor clearance.
Good luck w/ it
BJH
QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Sep 26 2005, 01:01 PM) |
...it will not fit into a 914 w/o cutting into the firewall for distributor clearance. |
QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Sep 26 2005, 01:00 PM) | ||
if that's really the only problem, why not just sh!tcan the dizzy and run crankfire ? |
QUOTE (Teknon @ Sep 26 2005, 12:14 PM) | ||||
Exellent idea!! ![]() There has got to be someone who has done this. Some old Mustang motorhead, that was won over to the superhandling midi-car, the beloved 914. ![]() Trying to see if the Pantera zf Tranny could be squeezed in. That would be BAD. ![]() |
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There has got to be someone who has done this. |
QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 26 2005, 01:16 PM) | ||||||
pantera trans has been done before.... BTW - bend over on price of ZF transaxle ![]() |
that isnt a transAXLE... thats a transmission...
QUOTE (Teknon @ Sep 26 2005, 12:34 PM) |
$850.00 bucks? No bending required. |
this is a pantera ZF
with outputshafts for U joints on it....
QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 26 2005, 01:36 PM) |
that isnt a transAXLE... thats a transmission... |
here is such an ad
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I have a ZF type 2 transaxle and bellhousing from a very low miles Pantera. Crated and ready to ship. Price - 6,500 |
A ZF might actually be cheaper in the long run. Current tally on my 930:
$3k trans
$2k machining to flip the ring
$2.2k shipping, sliders, new synchros, gaskets, etc
It adds up fast.
In the end you'll have a better trans with the 930 though, higher tourque capability etc. A ZF is the way to go if you plan on keeping it under 450hp though. Also consider the Mendeola.
http://www.race-cars.com/partbd/messages/12440.htm
damn...beat by aAron
QUOTE (Mueller @ Sep 26 2005, 12:42 PM) |
http://www.race-cars.com/partbd/messages/12440.htm damn...beat by aAron |
OK, But it's only 5 times the price. Yow
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZF-5DS-25-2-5-speed- transaxle_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33733QQitemZ8002968417QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD
VW
Man, I want one!
Might have to hustle a swimming pool to build. If I was a hustler.
My plan was to sell my 915 trans when I did this upgrade. Now that I see what is involved in finding a LSD box and getting the machining and rebuild done I can't bear to part with it. ZF makes a lot of sense. Ready to go right out of the box, solid linkage can be tricky though. They really take some fiddling to get just so.
First off let me set you all straight regarding the ZF. I am currently putting over a 1000 HP and 1000 lbs of torque through my ZF.The install was straight forward, easy to do. The most challenging part of the install was the hydraulic clutch set up. There are a few 914 v8 ZF conversions here on this board, running over 400 hp. I can provide you with information regarding a large number of pantera's running in excess of 500 hp through the ZF. Its a common misconception that the ZF will not hold large amounts of power. I am not sure where this misconception started but lets end it here. The ZF is the way to go as it was designed to be used with a v8 thus the gearing is perfect out of the box, no monk eying around with flipping the R&P, and you get five gears with an option for a six speed conversion. Replacement parts are readily available as well as all different types of gear ratio's. If you can get a ZF you will not be sorry. Added bonus you will have a ton of help from those of us here that have already done it. Best of luck with your decision.
If it only cost as much as a Chevy turbo trani...
Hmph...
ive never seen linkage pics of a ZF in a 914
QUOTE (914GT @ Sep 26 2005, 04:15 PM) |
The http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZF-5DS-25-2-5-speed- transaxle_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33733QQitemZ8002968417QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD VW certainly does go for a chunk of change. More expensive than what many (most?) 914s go for. |
QUOTE (jd74914 @ Sep 26 2005, 02:20 PM) | ||
but a converted 915, 916, or 930 box would also go for more than most teeners ![]() ![]() |
QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Sep 26 2005, 04:19 PM) |
I am currently putting over a 1000 HP and 1000 lbs of torque through my ZF.... |
Sorry, I deleted that post when I saw someone already posted the link to ebay. I can do burnouts just fine with my 901 but it's not necessary. Part throttle in 2nd gear is plenty fun and saves tires and gas ... and fascinates the kids in their little 'rice burners'.
QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 26 2005, 04:36 PM) | ||||
a 916 is a factory converted 915. IIRC 2 versions availaible one had an integral pump and was setup with a cooler... |
QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Sep 26 2005, 04:38 PM) | ||
again with these numbers... but there are no pictures. there are no dyno sheets. remind me again why you believe these numbers? |
Maybe a ZF will hold the power. I don't know. I do know that I have hours of time in a car with a DYNO proven 700hp and a 930 box that gets the shit kicked out of it by the 10" slicks it runs and it just keeps coming back for more. When I made my decision there were no ZF cars running in my area and the owners I spoke to were in the 400-500 hp range. The only two cars I've ever seen, yes I have the pictures, run 700+hp both have 930 boxes in them. As far as I can tell the only thing to be concerned about with the 930 for extremely high hp applications is the quality of the welding that is done when the ring is flipped. But like I said before ZF is probably actually going to be cheaper when you factor in all of the bs that goes with the 930 conversion. If I could have gotten a ride in a ZF car and see some actual hp numbers I probably would have gone that way. Maybe on the next one .......right.
no way to mount a 930 upside down?
save *SOME* hassle.... buty introduces others...
it has been done, there are some issues with oiling but not too many.
QUOTE (MikeP @ Sep 26 2005, 11:41 AM) |
A ZF might actually be cheaper in the long run. Current tally on my 930: $3k trans $2k machining to flip the ring $2.2k shipping, sliders, new synchros, gaskets, etc It adds up fast. ![]() In the end you'll have a better trans with the 930 though, higher tourque capability etc. A ZF is the way to go if you plan on keeping it under 450hp though. Also consider the Mendeola. |
QUOTE (MikeP @ Sep 26 2005, 02:53 PM) |
Maybe a ZF will hold the power. I don't know. I do know that I have hours of time in a car with a DYNO proven 700hp and a 930 box that gets the shit kicked out of it by the 10" slicks it runs and it just keeps coming back for more. |
Are you thinking of the new twin turbo one? I don't know what is going on with that one but I do know that it DYNO'd at 1200 before it shipped to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he did twist that one up.
Felix, yup 84% LSD (cause I drive like an ahole) The cost of the 930 case I bought was higher because of the LSD. You can get them without for 2400ish IF YOU CAN FIND THEM. I didn't list clutch and linkage costs because A. they are too painfull to put in print, and B. I figure that is apples to apples for any trans upgrade. I was throwing out figures just for the built box. Don't even ask about the wheels tires and brakes.
Wow this thread has changed to transaxle wars, watch out or will be banned like religion and politics topics...
I've been researching mid-price ($3-4k), mid-range (300-400hp) transaxles used successfully for mid-engine replicars and race cars. There are cheaper options to the ZF and 930 but each has it's drawbacks in terms of availability, parts and service support. Additionally they'd have to be a significant improvement to the 901 which seems to hold up to 300 and up to 400hp if in good working or rebuilt condition and well respected. One of these days I'll post the data.
For those who want to push the car, the 930 makes the most sense until a performance transaxle supplier (i.e. Mendeola) markets a street version for under $10k. Rebuilt RBT ZF's are strong but like the 914, they are "vintage" engineering. The two local guys running ZFs have them because they got them "cheap" many years ago. If you can find one for under $6k that's considered a bargain these days...
I want this box! Full throttle clutchless upshifts.
http://www.hewland.com/svga/productrange/nlt.htm
Costs more than twice my car. . .
QUOTE (jd74914 @ Sep 26 2005, 02:43 PM) | ||||
I kinda would like to know the specs on the engine So turbo914v8 whats with your engine? |
QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Sep 27 2005, 10:26 AM) |
I believe these numbers because that’s what the dyno report says. |
Sorry just trying to give a complete picture. And I like telling this story.
This one only made 918hp.... @ 5800 rpm on pump gas
Oh yeah 750+ ft-lbs of TQ from 3200-6500rpm
It's not going into a 914 though... It will end up in a lil ole ski boat
Add some more boost (and av-gas) and it puts out 1300HP (1293.4), and will run flat out for hours at a time
Think that one would fill up the 914 engine bay pretty full. Sure would like to see how Paul got two turbo's mounted on his in a 914.
Bob
I imagine it will be set up very similar to the one above, it will fit this way, and the plumbing is easy, run some "block hugger" shorty headers, inverted, turbos bolted straight to them, and exhausting to the back (just like shown)
An air-air intercooler will take up alot more space, so that might be the herd part, but you could go away from the motor w/ the pressurised intake, and then up to a top mounted intercooler with the outlet (s) in the center for a center dump intake manifold
lots of custom work, but not rocket-science
QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Sep 27 2005, 10:56 AM) |
This one only made 918hp.... @ 5800 rpm ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh yeah 750+ ft-lbs of TQ from 3200-6500rpm ![]() It's not going into a 914 though... It will end up in a lil ole ski boat Add some more boost (and av-gas) and it puts out 1300HP (1293.4), and will run flat out for hours at a time ![]() ![]() |
Thats a 1960 Impala and looks nice. I'd like to see some more pictures.
Bob
QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Sep 27 2005, 11:18 AM) |
I imagine it will be set up very similar to the one above, it will fit this way, and the plumbing is easy, run some "block hugger" shorty headers, inverted, turbos bolted straight to them, and exhausting to the back (just like shown) An air-air intercooler will take up alot more space, so that might be the herd part, but you could go away from the motor w/ the pressurised intake, and then up to a top mounted intercooler with the outlet (s) in the center for a center dump intake manifold lots of custom work, but not rocket-science |
Woo Hoo... go me
that motor is in a 21' boat, it recently competed in the Catalina Ski Race (Longbeach to Catalina and back)62 miles of open ocean, and was the fastest boat under 22' at 1hr 3 min
The record is 53ish minutes (open ocean w/ a waterskier no less)
there are motors that make more HP... they dont last nearly as long though. This particular boat is scheduled to run the Parker 300 in october... 300 miles damn near flat out (over 100mph average speed is expected ) w/ 2 mandatory fuel stops in there...
I still want a ride in yours
QUOTE (Crazyhippy @ Sep 27 2005, 03:54 PM) |
Woo Hoo... go me ![]() ![]() that motor is in a 21' boat, it recently competed in the Catalina Ski Race (Longbeach to Catalina and back)62 miles of open ocean, and was the fastest boat under 22' at 1hr 3 min ![]() ![]() The record is 53ish minutes (open ocean w/ a waterskier no less) ![]() ![]() there are motors that make more HP... they dont last nearly as long though. This particular boat is scheduled to run the Parker 300 in october... 300 miles damn near flat out (over 100mph average speed is expected ![]() I still want a ride in yours ![]() |
off boost, it will run all day on 40ish
the hour of catalina took just over 120 (140 on board)
For the parker 300 there will be almost 500 gallons on board
It might take an extra stop too
Not this boat, but at worlds in 2001 (i think) they had a radar gun on a skier at 126mph
This boat is suprisingly docile. It is easy to drive around the docks, and as long as you keep your foot off the gas, you would swear it was a mild motor, but when you do gas it... it tries to rip your head off, and doesn't ever let up
QUOTE (MikeP @ Sep 26 2005, 11:41 AM) |
A ZF might actually be cheaper in the long run. Current tally on my 930: $3k trans $2k machining to flip the ring $2.2k shipping, sliders, new synchros, gaskets, etc It adds up fast. ![]() |
QUOTE (Mueller @ Sep 27 2005, 04:47 PM) | ||
call me chicken, but that is too much motor for a 21' foot boat....a stock 455 was enough in our 19' ski boat for me ![]() ![]() how many gallons of fuel does that puppy drink while planeing the water??? |
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