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Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 11 2005, 07:57 PM
So my stereo got stolen out of my 914 too many times now (1), an dim gonna make a stab at hiding the deck from view. First i thought about an electronic drop down box that comes out underneath the dash. Problem with that is theres not enough room for a deck under there. Now I'm on to plan B which is still kinda in the thought process. I'm going to try to make a center console that has the deck angled up at the front towards the back of the car. And im gonna throw some cup holders in there with a nice leather or vinyl wrapped pad on top. Anyone ever tried this before? Successfully?
Posted by: effutuo101 Oct 11 2005, 08:08 PM
I havn't done that, but it is pretty easy with some press board, some angle brakets, some fabric and some cardboard for a template. find something you like and you can dial it in. you can work a small drop down screen out of plastic and some guides. Lots of ways to go with this. I opted for a $25 dollar model from the sale at a stereo shop
Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 11 2005, 08:15 PM
I already know what deck im getting. im kind of a stereo freak. 
Its a JVC MP3 deck with a 3 angle face plate. It was the one i had until it got 5 finger discounted out of the dash. I took an old knob stereo and cut the face off and thats whats in my dash right now. Kind of a little decoy.
Posted by: mharrison Oct 11 2005, 09:33 PM
You need a Kenwood eXcelon KMD-X92
Here's the cool part!
The D MASK+ motorized faceplate (with a high-resolution full dot matrix fluorescent display) automatically reverses the faceplate when the car is turned off, so that only a blank plate is visible
. For extra security, you can remove the face and take it with you.
Here's a link to the stereo itself, but Crutchfield is out currently:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-tium8UxIyRH/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=950&id=essential_info&i=113KMDX92#Tab
Posted by: bd1308 Oct 11 2005, 10:40 PM
i've got one of those....
it's great...looks like you dont have a stereo
mine's the XDC-X859 kenwood excelon
it's gud.
Posted by: Dr. Roger Oct 11 2005, 10:59 PM
| QUOTE |
| You need a Kenwood eXcelon KMD-X92 |
Yea', that's pretty good but where do you plug in your IPod? Mines got a removeable faceplate and an auxillary input. 8-))) 20 Gigs of fun. Or I can playback my video cam thru the headset for enhanced sound. (Reno Air Races. Look out!)
My last ride had the decoy POS stereo installed in the stock location and the REAL stereo in the glove box. No one ever touched it.
Posted by: airsix Oct 11 2005, 11:10 PM
I did a decent stereo install in mine a few years ago (Kenwood chameleon head unit, 6" separates, 10" sub, big amp) but if I was to do it all again today I'd just have a jack to plug my iPod into instead of a head unit.
-Ben M.
Posted by: dlo914 Oct 11 2005, 11:16 PM
has anyone tried relocating the headunit to the center console? i plan to delete the currect location and alter a stock center console; when i get my car back on the road in the next few days
Posted by: bondo Oct 11 2005, 11:44 PM
| QUOTE (mharrison @ Oct 11 2005, 08:33 PM) |
| You need a Kenwood eXcelon KMD-X92 Here's the cool part! The D MASK+ motorized faceplate (with a high-resolution full dot matrix fluorescent display) automatically reverses the faceplate when the car is turned off, so that only a blank plate is visible . For extra security, you can remove the face and take it with you. Here's a link to the stereo itself, but Crutchfield is out currently: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-tium8UxIyRH/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=950&id=essential_info&i=113KMDX92#Tab |
Hey now here's an idea.. take one of those and glue basketweave onto the "off" side.. It'll disappear into the dash!
Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 12 2005, 12:39 AM
ya well where i live if the stereo turns itself around to hide then its a prime target just to see what kind it is. I want to hide it altogether so tomoro im gonna get some thin press board and start cuttin
Posted by: MecGen Oct 12 2005, 05:01 AM
Hey
Cool thred 
I love music/sound systems but know very little on the spec side of things. Your screwed...now you gotta help me with finding my next system. 
The 16 year old at Future Shop is OK but...
Just in passing...I had a alarm in my 914, with a ear splitter option. It was basicaly a module with backup power supply (10 min), motion detector, KICKASS SIREN.
Basically it worked like this. someone cuts your battery cable or not, module can work for 10 minutes alone. A motion senser (problem), is part of this kit. The interior siren was the whole key, it was on such a wicked frequency, you would have permanent hearing damage after 30 seconds. But its imposible to stay that long.
The motion sensor was a bitch to set up correctly, and I haven't seen the siren advertised in a long time. I imagine the legal issues. But it realy worth looking into.
thanx for letting me ramble
Later
Posted by: Hammy Oct 12 2005, 12:50 PM
| QUOTE (MecGen @ Oct 12 2005, 04:01 AM) |
| I haven't seen the siren advertised in a long time. I imagine the legal issues. But it realy worth looking into. |
What is it? model.
Posted by: MecGen Oct 12 2005, 01:10 PM
Hey
I still have the siren packed in a box deep in no mans land. Its about 10 years ago, its very small, I hid it in the console.
The WeweWeweWe sound was so hi pitched you would swear your ears were melting, I found this out at the install. It was a very popular back then but when I installed the new alarm in the Gran Prix, people didn't seem to know it ?
Later
PS...it was a siren made specially for this.
Posted by: Hammy Oct 12 2005, 01:19 PM
| QUOTE (MecGen @ Oct 12 2005, 12:10 PM) |
| Hey I still have the siren packed in a box deep in no mans land. Its about 10 years ago, its very small, I hid it in the console. The WeweWeweWe sound was so hi pitched you would swear your ears were melting, I found this out at the install. It was a very popular back then but when I installed the new alarm in the Gran Prix, people didn't seem to know it ? Later PS...it was a siren made specially for this. |
Ah. I'm just contemplating my future anti-theft route. Or anti-car theft route.
Either a siren or a hidden ignition cut off switch, which I have no idea how that's set up.
Posted by: airsix Oct 12 2005, 01:51 PM
Here's what I want:
Small disposable propane can (like used for handheld torch)
Solenoid valve to release propane gas into a piece of pipe.
$19 HEI ignition amp, an old coil, and a sparkplug
$2 555 timer from radioshack, wired to provide 10 cycle per sec square wave.
Wire up to alarm. When alarm goes off valve opens releasing propane into pipe. 555 timer triggers the sparkplug 10 times per second, igniting pulses of propane resulting in 10 loud 'BANG's per second.
Perp runs away peeing pants and tells friends some dude shot at him with a machine gun.
-Ben M.
Posted by: jonwatts Oct 12 2005, 02:30 PM
No trick to the frequency for an interior siren, just need the dB level to be above the threshhold of pain; 120 - 140 dB ought to do it.
I like the idea of stuff like this, but I don't know who's electronics skills I'd trust enough to feel comfortable in a car so equipped. Imagine going over some rough railroad tracks and having that thing go off! Or Ben's machine gun! Or the flame thrower!!
Posted by: Rand Oct 12 2005, 02:40 PM
Airsix! 
I like your ideas!
As for me, I've gone personal stereo. If I wanted to share the sound with others, then I would install a kickin' amp and speakers with a 1/8" jack in the dash that goes straight to the amp. I would then connect a cable from the headphone jack of my personal stereo (Radio YourWay, Sirius portable, MP3 Player, whatever) to the dash and let the thumpin' begin.
Personally, I like the http://ccrane.com/radios/am-fm-radios/pogo-radio-yourway-lx/index.aspx because it's AM/FM and MP3 all in one, plus it's like a radio tivo... I can program it to record my favorite radio shows and play them at whim - and fast forward through commercials...
Posted by: GTeener Oct 12 2005, 03:47 PM
| QUOTE (airsix @ Oct 12 2005, 11:51 AM) |
| Here's what I want: Small disposable propane can (like used for handheld torch) Solenoid valve to release propane gas into a piece of pipe. $19 HEI ignition amp, an old coil, and a sparkplug $2 555 timer from radioshack, wired to provide 10 cycle per sec square wave. Wire up to alarm. When alarm goes off valve opens releasing propane into pipe. 555 timer triggers the sparkplug 10 times per second, igniting pulses of propane resulting in 10 loud 'BANG's per second. Perp runs away peeing pants and tells friends some dude shot at him with a machine gun. -Ben M. |
Results look like this huh?
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Posted by: GTeener Oct 12 2005, 03:50 PM
Install a piece of 
decoy head unit and hide the real deal from public view. 
Or install an security system that will electrocute whoever touches your door handles
Posted by: Hammy Oct 12 2005, 05:06 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Oct 12 2005, 01:30 PM) |
| I like the idea of stuff like this, but I don't know who's electronics skills I'd trust enough to feel comfortable in a car so equipped. Imagine going over some rough railroad tracks and having that thing go off! |
I agree... I'd have to REALLY trust the electrician who installed it. Kinda like earlier this spring whenever I'd turn the wheel in the 914 the horn would short out and stay on
Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 17 2005, 01:23 AM
well i finished my console and it turned out great. i carpeted it with 1/8 in thick black felt and i would have taken a pic of it but my damn digital cam went dead and i cant find the charger.
Posted by: Hammy Oct 17 2005, 01:26 AM
Find that charger ... 
Posted by: MecGen Oct 17 2005, 05:52 AM
Hey Quick story
When I was in high school a bud had a MG Midget. His sterio got ripped 3 times. The first time they cut the top, to get in. After the second time, on the 3rd sterio, Einstien desides to appoxy razor blades all over the rear half of the radio. It happened. There was blood.
The theif still took the radio then proceed to slash the dash, seats, door panel, top (again), and finally punch a hole with screwdriver thru the speedo.
Food for thought
later
Posted by: ehick72 Oct 17 2005, 06:29 AM
I had mine stolen recentely. The radio itself was such a piece of Kaa Kaa that I know it brought more heart ache into the theif's life than my own. I wish I could thank them. Everytime you would go to turn the volume down it would go up quickly, thus almost causing me to wreck each time. The only downside to getting it stolen (besides that inital feeling of being violated when you get in the car that morning) was the fact that they cut the oil line to my oil pressure gauge thinking it was a speaker wire. 30 Seconds for me to fix.
I've always believed the best security is eliminating the desire. You can do this by building a bigger barrier or just not having something they want. I choose the later. My car currently sits in the parking lot with a huge hole where the radio used to be. I know they check it every so often thinking I am going to replace it but OOOOHHH NOOOO!!!! 
My plan for new tunage is to basically get the ugliest am/fm turner I can find, hopefully at the junkyard. Then use my sirius radio to send a signal to my AM/FM tuner with it's FM transmitter. Amps and speakers are much easier to conceal and protect.
Posted by: meares Oct 17 2005, 06:34 AM
uhhh........take the face plate off???
Posted by: bd1308 Oct 17 2005, 07:09 AM
| QUOTE (MecGen @ Oct 17 2005, 05:52 AM) |
| Hey Quick story When I was in high school a bud had a MG Midget. His sterio got ripped 3 times. The first time they cut the top, to get in. After the second time, on the 3rd sterio, Einstien desides to appoxy razor blades all over the rear half of the radio. It happened. There was blood. The theif still took the radio then proceed to slash the dash, seats, door panel, top (again), and finally punch a hole with screwdriver thru the speedo. Food for thought later |
with the blood i would have found the guy.....
that REALLY pisses me off....
Posted by: ehick72 Oct 17 2005, 07:15 AM
| QUOTE |
| uhhh........take the face plate off??? |
uhhh....actually the only time in 6 months that I ever left the faceplate on, my car was then broken into. Which means they were casing it. That's what I'm saying....it's a bright yellow 914...it already draws attention.... that missing faceplate and the nice pretty red blinking light makes them think it's worth something. Best security...eliminate the desire. Must I say it again.
Posted by: bd1308 Oct 17 2005, 07:16 AM
people here dont know what a 914 is.....
so i tell em its a VW....
actually the hiding cd deck is great!, except when you take the faceplate and then realize that everyone now knows that its hiding....
Posted by: seanery Oct 17 2005, 07:18 AM
booby traps are illegal in most states.
I'd just let 'em take the radio, it's better than pissing off some guy who is then gonna kick a door in, rip seats, bust a window....
Just keep your insurance up to date and get a $0 comprehensive deductible.
Posted by: meares Oct 17 2005, 07:34 AM
that SUX!!!! the first time in 6 months you've left it on and some punkass rips it!! sorry about that! i've put a quick release sparco wheel in mine, so i either lock it in the trunk or take it inside....
Posted by: ehick72 Oct 17 2005, 07:48 AM
Well I live in the city....it goes with the territory I guess. What makes me nervous is when I am doing work to the 914 and have to park my Land Cruiser outside for a few days which then turns into weeks. I like the stering wheel idea however. I thought those were just for racing.
Posted by: Brando Oct 17 2005, 03:42 PM
Just have a carbomb go off.
If the bastage lives, put them in jail, sue them and get a new car.
If they die, you can always tell insurance the culprit destroyed the car, you don't know how, get a new one.
Posted by: airsix Oct 17 2005, 04:08 PM
| QUOTE (seanery @ Oct 17 2005, 05:18 AM) |
| I'd just let 'em take the radio, it's better than pissing off some guy who is then gonna kick a door in, rip seats, bust a window.... |
I don't go for that. It amounts to a social program where we pay our insurance companies to give free stereos to theives.
Be charitable. Be a good neighbor. Help the honest man in need. But when someone destroys your property and steals your possesions you don't just roll over and hope they leave you some crumbs. This encourages theives and makes it more likely that others of us will become targets.
-Ben M.
Posted by: fiid Oct 17 2005, 04:35 PM
You could buy an amp, stick it under a seat, and use an iPod. Take the iPod with you when you leave; and you'll be pretty damned secure.
Posted by: andys Oct 17 2005, 05:49 PM
I always though the best place for an alarm horn was INSIDE the car. They often go ignored, and are marginally loud enough outside the car....but inside it'd be too loud to tolerate. Otherwise, conceal your stereo....Outta sight-outta mind.
Andys
Posted by: bd1308 Oct 17 2005, 05:53 PM
what about the simple solution: taking the faceplate with you?
is there anyway to get a faceplate for a stolen radio?
b
Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 17 2005, 07:39 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Oct 17 2005, 03:53 PM) |
| what about the simple solution: taking the faceplate with you? is there anyway to get a faceplate for a stolen radio? |
Black Market. If someone steals a stereo that needs a face pplate theres always someone who stole a faceplate that needs a stereo
Posted by: bd1308 Oct 17 2005, 07:41 PM
shucks....
(kicks a rock.....)
so what do we do now?
Posted by: ClayPerrine Oct 17 2005, 08:53 PM
| QUOTE (MecGen @ Oct 17 2005, 05:52 AM) |
| Hey Quick story When I was in high school a bud had a MG Midget. His sterio got ripped 3 times. The first time they cut the top, to get in. After the second time, on the 3rd sterio, Einstien desides to appoxy razor blades all over the rear half of the radio. It happened. There was blood. The theif still took the radio then proceed to slash the dash, seats, door panel, top (again), and finally punch a hole with screwdriver thru the speedo. Food for thought later |
19 years ago, when I first got my 914, I only had a key to fit the ignition lock. So someone decided that they needed the radio more than I did. Well, I put a new radio in, and also left them a suprise.
I took a piece of picture hanging wire (thin, stiff wire) about 6 feet long, and using heavy leather gloves, alternated triple barb fish hooks and double edged razor blades on it. Then I wrapped it around the wiring and the back of the radio.
About a week later I came out to go to work, and found the passenger door open, the radio knobs missing, a puddle of blood on the floor of the car, and a trail of blood out to the curb. After cleaning it up I looked under the dash and found hunks of meat hanging off the fish hooks.
Serves the b@stard right!
Posted by: bd1308 Oct 17 2005, 08:58 PM
yeah but someone else posted that his friend did that and the bastard came back and slashed up everything and stabbed a hole in his speedo....
Posted by: Brando Oct 17 2005, 09:11 PM
Some theives actually know when to cut their losses.
I thing gassing them with HALON or CARBON or NITROUS OXIDE would be best 
Come out a few hours later and they're passed out and/or needing an ambulance.
Posted by: ClayPerrine Oct 17 2005, 09:13 PM
| QUOTE (Brando @ Oct 17 2005, 09:11 PM) |
| Some theives actually know when to cut their losses. I thing gassing them with HALON or CARBON or NITROUS OXIDE would be best Come out a few hours later and they're passed out and/or needing an ambulance. |
Halon.... then you can claim that the thieves tripped your fire system....
Posted by: Brando Oct 17 2005, 09:14 PM
Cleans up with a vacuum cleaner, right?
Posted by: ClayPerrine Oct 17 2005, 09:21 PM
Halon is a non corrosive gas... it dissipates on it's own. It also displaces all the oxygen in the air... smothering the fire (and anyone caught in the room too).
The thieves get in the car and close the door. They try to steal the stereo. The door locks snap down and the halon discharges. Thieves pass out from lack of oxygen. When they wake up they have a REALLY bad headache from oxygen depravation. That is, if they wake up.......
Posted by: bd1308 Oct 17 2005, 09:44 PM
yeah man...what are you going to do with a dead body?
b
Posted by: Brando Oct 17 2005, 09:48 PM
Call the police! Or have the alarm trigger a beeper on your keys or something...
Posted by: airsix Oct 17 2005, 10:51 PM
Clay,
You rock. Guys, pay attention. Clay made a theif run crying home to his mommy. Awesome. Clay is the king of this thread now. 
-Ben M.
Posted by: Dr. Roger Oct 17 2005, 11:48 PM
(1) "HARDENED STEEL" STEERING WHEEL/STEREO LOCK.
(2) REMOTE CONTROL ACTIVATION, SHUT OFF & TAZER TEST.
(3) MOTION DETECTOR & SCREECHING 130 DECIBEL SIREN.
(4) 5,900 MILLIWATTS OF PATENTED "TAZER ZAP" TECHNOLOGY.
(5) LOWERS QUALIFIED INSURANCE RATES BY 15%.
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Posted by: airsix Oct 18 2005, 10:03 AM
If you try to find more info about the "auto tazer" you just get this:
| QUOTE |
| Unfortunately, this item is no longer imported into this country and thus is no longer available. |
Some crybaby probably sued.
-Ben M.
Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 19 2005, 01:42 PM
Good news i got the digital camera working and now i have pics of my center console i made 
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Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 19 2005, 01:42 PM
You'll have to excuse my seats, im workin on that.
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Posted by: Hammy Oct 19 2005, 02:37 PM
That's pretty nice... now you got me thinkin...
Posted by: Dr. Roger Oct 19 2005, 07:03 PM
do you have any constructin / assembly pics????
Very nice!
Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 19 2005, 07:20 PM
No, no progress pics. Basically i used 1/2 in MDF press board and to get the curve i bent a piece of metal from a cabinet shelf around a leg of my work bench. for the door i used the same metal and bolted the whole thing into the stock tray holes. although i did make it an inch too wide the 1st time and had to cut it down where the deck just barely fits in between the console sides. i didnt even have enough room to use the deck trim plate. The back of it fits underneath the back pad all the way to the metal. It took a lot of head scratching but its done and im happy 
Posted by: msglaigaie Oct 20 2005, 11:48 AM
I have read everyones ideas about how to protect the music machine in the 914. I too have a Kenwood, using the stock speakers tucked under the dash. The KW has a removable faceplate leaving an ugly rectangle on the dash. In the past twelve months I have dug out the faceplate and actually played the radio just one time. I just love to drive and my music is my motor. The stereo is in the usual location which makes it a pain in the behonkis to adjust while wearing four points. I guess it would come in handy on a long drive so I would like to move it to a place between the seats, low on the firewall. I have taken out the original padding and I am replacing it with a sound proofing pad coverd with leather (lighter is faster). A passenger could fool around with the music (never drive a long one alone). I really want a fuel gauge were the radio is now. Any constructive comments?? Please?? MSG L lurking again
Posted by: Hammy Oct 20 2005, 05:43 PM
Do you have size demensions for it or something....
Posted by: msglaigaie Oct 20 2005, 10:36 PM
Well, go about twelve or eighteen inches or so up off the deck, then cut a hole in the firewall. Mount the radio in that hole and run the wires right down the center tunnel. I could wrap the radio with a heat wrap. I could even fab up a little metal box to go around it and bolt/weld it to the wall. Does anybody see any dumb stuff yet??
MSG L
Posted by: OMB_Godfather Oct 21 2005, 05:42 PM
wouldnt that put a huge mess o metal in the engine bay or is all this going inside the car? or am i on the wrong end of the car anyways. Also soemthing that helps a lot is a fully functional remote so you dont have to put it close enough to mess with it. Whats even neater is cd changers that connect to almost any new deck. Pioneer has a very nice unit which is the one i ended up buying that has a cd changer plug in, xm sirius ready, 1/8 in auxillary plug in the back, hook ups for cell phone mute so when ur phone rings ur deck mutes, front and rear pre outs, and it has a dolphin screen saver. 
.I believe i saw a 50 cd changer on jvc's website for a rediculous amount of money.
Posted by: bondo Oct 21 2005, 06:03 PM
| QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Oct 17 2005, 10:48 PM) |
| 5,900 MILLIWATTS OF PATENTED "TAZER ZAP" TECHNOLOGY. |
Wow, that's the most impressive way I've ever heard 5.9 Watts expressed.
Posted by: Dr. Roger Oct 21 2005, 06:09 PM
| QUOTE (bondo @ Oct 21 2005, 05:03 PM) | ||
Wow, that's the most impressive way I've ever heard 5.9 Watts expressed. |
milli, kilo, mega....
it's all greek to me. not the perps though.
Posted by: bd1308 Oct 21 2005, 08:44 PM
1.21 JIGAWATTS!!!!!????!?!?!??
Posted by: porschecb Oct 21 2005, 09:23 PM
The best music I ever heard was my engine!! My stereo is at home.
Posted by: Dr. Roger Oct 22 2005, 03:25 AM
| QUOTE (porschecb @ Oct 21 2005, 08:23 PM) |
| The best music I ever heard was my engine!! My stereo is at home. |
You know that is sooo true.
My stereo works great and I turned in on once, then immediatly turned it off. I just love hearing my car run.
The fahrvergnugen.
Roger
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