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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ HSR vintage races @ sebring
Posted by: ein 6er Oct 16 2005, 06:56 PM
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Posted by: redshift Oct 16 2005, 07:10 PM
Yes! Looks like a fine day for flying!
Is that Slits, trying to back out into traffic?
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Posted by: TimT Oct 16 2005, 07:19 PM
Doug,
nice pics as always !!
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Posted by: retrotech Oct 16 2005, 07:34 PM
I notice some of the cars are really modified, no windshield, or rocker panels, & huge tires, etc. But very few have a rear or front spoiler?
Why?
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Posted by: URY914 Oct 16 2005, 07:44 PM
| QUOTE (retrotech @ Oct 16 2005, 05:34 PM) |
| I notice some of the cars are really modified, no windshield, or rocker panels, & huge tires, etc. But very few have a rear or front spoiler? Why? |
Rules say you can't run wings and spoilers. Must be "factory" bodywork, ie., GT flares, valances.
Posted by: ein 6er Oct 16 2005, 07:47 PM
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Posted by: J P Stein Oct 16 2005, 08:06 PM
Hay, is that Mike Zotz? I wondered what happened to him.
He musta have gotten pissed (eh, what's new?) and moved from Santa Barbara to Florida.....gave up that cush Gubbmint job?
Cool pics other than this one
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Posted by: trekkor Oct 16 2005, 10:07 PM
Yes, thanks!
great pics...Makes me want to get back on the track even sooner.
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Great pics Doug! Thanks so much! |
Posted by: gregrobbins Oct 16 2005, 11:33 PM
Thanks for the great photos!
Posted by: VegasRacer Oct 17 2005, 03:57 AM
Excellent pictures Doug. Thanks for posting them.
Posted by: DaveE Oct 17 2005, 07:07 AM
redshift, I think that's a BMW 2002, not a Pacer.
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| QUOTE (DaveE @ Oct 17 2005, 05:07 AM) |
| redshift, I think that's a BMW 2002, not a Pacer. |
aren't they the same thing?
And great pics, thank you
BJH
Posted by: carr914 Oct 17 2005, 01:14 PM
ZOTZ Racing is Ron Zitza from Orlando, they have a street car shop and prep quite a few 914-6s for Vintage.
T.C.
Posted by: ein 6er Oct 17 2005, 05:18 PM
a PACER?!? HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! you got all excited didn't you?!? 
yup, it was a bimmer.
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how about a saab sonnet ..... does that do anything for you?!?
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thanks for all the flowers everyone!!
this was my 1st trip to sebring. saw derek bell and (i believe) elliot forbes r., don't know if they were driving, i never got my hands on a race schedule or an entrants list. http://www.hsrrace.com/HSR/HSRHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-66HMUB?OpenDocument#rr is a link to HSR's site and the race results and lap times.
did about 5 or 6 laps around the track during lunch break, MAN!!! when they say the track is rough ..... they ain't kidding!!! you must really get beat up in the stiff cars!!!
lots of 914s. this hsr event seemed to be more vintage rather than historic, like some of the hsr races i've attended in the past. i wonder if the historic cars are beeing raced in another series or they aren't being raced at all.
i'll post some pics from the paddock, some interesting parts on the 914s.
the paddock, a loooooong walk, and i was only 1/3 of the way down the line!!
Posted by: ein 6er Oct 17 2005, 05:55 PM
only saw 1 street 914. this appears to be a factory -6, key on the left, but there was no vin tag on the A pillar. it was looking a little rough. this is the same car ury914 and i saw at a brumos swapmeet 2 yrs ago. looked like it was there for some work, we noticed it has no side markers, don't know if it is a euro model. it had an access hole in the firewall. iirc there was a puddle of water in the floor from the rain the night before. didn't talk to the owner, saw him doing track touring laps, it sounded really good!!
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911 mirrors and notice the sail panel blended into the cage.
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interesting car here. they must have bought this from brumos. i saw brumos running it a yr or 2 ago at moroso, it was a new 914 for them then.
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Posted by: Seagrave Oct 17 2005, 06:24 PM
Yes, thanks very much for sharing. The heck with the comment about the AMC 2002 or the Sonnet, one of your photos has a Bugeye Sprite bringing up the rear. Talk about being in the wrong heat...! The Sprite was (and perhaps is...although they are getting harder to find) the original budget racer. It also got the same dis job from Healey owners that the 914 did from the ol'time PCA crowd. 'Course the PCA guys race them now.. 
Posted by: ein 6er Oct 17 2005, 06:25 PM
o2 sensors? it was carbed, the sensors led to a plug in the rear bumper (see previous foto)
oh ... and what tranny is that?
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930 calipers frt & rear
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BugEyes!
Gotta say, I was born in 1958, I can't afford a '58 356 
likely never will
But I have been lurkin, looking at 1958 Bugeye sprites. SCCA racers run $8 to $15K and nice runners can be had for 914 prices. I could see myself fixing one on the side of the road
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one of the cage tubes runs through the fire wall, engine side
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and a bar in the frt trunk
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this was a nice clean car!!
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getting strung-up
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is there a spacer on the cv?
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telton pedals? clutch cable was straight back and rapped around the end of the tranny, (see rear shot) it's covered in thermal wrap the other cable is the throttle i believe.
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boxster monoblocks on the frt and carrera on the rear.
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another car, turbo on the frt
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reverse lock out?!?
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does HSR allow open pipes? i just see headers and megaphones.
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hydaulic clutch?
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have i crashed the server yet?!? 
everyone bored yet?! just a couple more of the prototypes then i done.
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fastfastFAST!!!!!!
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and even FASTER!!! this is the judd v8, in i believe the ferrari p333 chassis, this thing was a screamer!!!
Posted by: ein 6er Oct 17 2005, 07:33 PM
| QUOTE (qa1142 @ Oct 17 2005, 04:29 PM) |
| BugEyes! Gotta say, I was born in 1958, I can't afford a '58 356 likely never willBut I have been lurkin, looking at 1958 Bugeye sprites. SCCA racers run $8 to $15K and nice runners can be had for 914 prices. I could see myself fixing one on the side of the road |
i think a club member had a bugeye up for sale not too long ago.
Posted by: ein 6er Oct 17 2005, 07:36 PM
| QUOTE (synthesisdv @ Oct 17 2005, 05:02 PM) |
| does HSR allow open pipes? i just see headers and megaphones. |
this, i don't know .... but http://www.hsrrace.com/HSR/HSRHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-5ZUTB7?OpenDocument is a link to the rules.
Posted by: 914Timo Oct 18 2005, 12:12 AM
Thanks. Very nice pics. Especially those sifter, engine, chlutch and pedal details.
But, those taillights ??? 
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Posted by: 914Timo Oct 18 2005, 12:15 AM
Oooooh shhhhh*****ttttt !!!!!
T A I L L G H T S 
Sorry, but you all know what I mean
Posted by: URY914 Oct 18 2005, 06:42 AM
Looks like he is going for the 911R taillight look. 
I din't realize that locking out reverse was a big issue. I've never hit reverse when going to 2nd. But I been making that shift for a long time. Maybe guys that are new to the tranny have a problem. (I have caught 1st when going to 3rd, very painfull 
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Doug, you are now the O-fish-al 914Club Race Track Photo Man. You need to get one of those vests with all the pockets and a goffy hat and you'll if right in at the track.
Great job,
Posted by: Van914 Oct 18 2005, 07:19 AM
Doug,
Great photos
Thanks!
Van914
Posted by: serge914 Oct 18 2005, 09:18 AM
I believe they lock out first and reverse.
Posted by: merrill Oct 18 2005, 11:08 AM
Are we bored yet Not a chance I could look at pics like these for days on end. Thank you sooo much for sharing 
Posted by: carr914 Oct 18 2005, 06:29 PM
The white Brumos car is the car Eliot Forbes Robinson drives. It's maintained by Dave White Racing in Tampa.
T.C.
Posted by: bernbomb914 Oct 18 2005, 07:38 PM
Back in 1975 I maintained EFRs super vee, He was amaizing he led every race that year and won the championship.with a one off home built car sponsered by Pharr Yarns
Bernie
Posted by: brant Oct 18 2005, 11:42 PM
| QUOTE (ein 6er @ Oct 17 2005, 05:25 PM) |
| o2 sensors? it was carbed, the sensors led to a plug in the rear bumper (see previous foto) |
Awesome pictures...
truely love them!
the oxy sensor is common on carbed cars for jetting purposes.
and the rear bumper plug in is not wired to the oxy sensor. Its a common receptacle used on formula cars (and others) to allow battery charging.
Alot of guys around here run PCA cars with no alternator. (the 4's use a 2nd battery for the aux cooling fan) and then plug in between every run to top up the batteries.
awesome pictures!
brant
Posted by: maf914 Oct 19 2005, 09:29 AM
| QUOTE (ein 6er @ Oct 17 2005, 05:23 PM) |
| and even FASTER!!! this is the judd v8, in i believe the ferrari p333 chassis, this thing was a screamer!!! |
I'm pretty sure this is a Riley and Scott Mk-IIIC that was redesigned by the Rancho(?) racing team. They changed the original front radiator layout to twin side mounted radiators with the new nose feeding them on either side of the cockpit. This team ran R&S Mk-III's and Mk-IIIC's in the early Grand Am years, when Grand Am was formed to counter IMSA (which was falling apart before Don Panoz took over and formed the ALMS).
The Dyson team raced R&S Mk-III's for years with good success then tried a MK-IIIC for a season without much success. Jim Mathews Racing raced a MK-IIIC for a couple of seasons with fair results. There was a MK-IIIC running in some of the ALMS events the past couple of seasons.
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| I'm pretty sure this is a Riley and Scott Mk-IIIC that was redesigned by the Rancho(?) racing team. |
thanks mike!! ... you are right!! just looked at the hsr site, thanks for the correction!! just goes to show you what i know!!
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| the oxy sensor is common on carbed cars for jetting purposes. and the rear bumper plug in is not wired to the oxy sensor. Its a common receptacle used on formula cars (and others) to allow battery charging. |
thanks brant!! i guess i should have said ... " the o2 sensor wires >appear< to go to the plug on the bumper."
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| he white Brumos car is the car Eloit Forbes Robinson drives. It's maintained by Dave White Racing in Tampa. T.C. |
thanks for the info t.c.!! i didn't notice the names on the door. wow, that says alot for the 914, if a driver of his caliber drives one!! never did see it on the track.
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| Doug, you are now the O-fish-al 914Club Race Track Photo Man. You need to get one of those vests with all the pockets and a goffy hat and you'll if right in at the track. |
thanks for the job paul!!
sebring is a great track for spectators, you can get really close to the track. but during a big race, i'm sure it's hard to get around all the motorhomes and campers to get good shots. for the 12 hrs, maybe i can get foto credentials from 914world.com so i can get inside the fence!! 
Posted by: carr914 Oct 20 2005, 09:40 AM
Doug, for the 12 Hours, we will get together and you can borrow my Hot Pits Pass to take some shots.
T.C.
Posted by: brant Oct 20 2005, 09:50 AM
Doug, anyone....
does anyone know the displacement on some of these teeners?
looks like a bunch of them ware SCCA cars, what displacement would they typically be of for scca?
brant
Posted by: carr914 Oct 20 2005, 04:50 PM
Brant, most of these cars are running 2.0 liters or 2.5. HSR has a 2.0 KlubSport class for 911s and 914-6s. There is some insane money being spent trying to squeese another hp out of these 2.0 liter monster. Then there is a class that takes anything above 2.0 up to 2.5, so most go 2.5. All engines have to be signed off by the builder to their specs. almost all the Zotz (black Blum Racing, silver, pink & white), The EFR car, are running 2.5s. My friend builds or dynos them all.
T.C.
Posted by: brant Oct 20 2005, 04:51 PM
The one with the oil cooler block off/filter, I wondered if it was bigger.
Is HSR an SCCA class?
or are some of them just simply double log booked?
good info
thanks
brant
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