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Posted by: IanStott Oct 17 2005, 10:01 AM

Trying to find a source for a new engine support bar and I'm not doing well. Also when you up your HP is the stock one strong enough ? Is there a source for a stronger one if required? Thanks.

Ian
Moncton

Posted by: URY914 Oct 17 2005, 10:28 AM

What year car? The bars are different from early cars and late cars. Late cars are cast iron. I have both types of bars if you need one.

I would say the stock bars will be able to support just about any HP you can come up with in a Type IV.

The bar I built for my car is half the weight of the stock bar but is plenty strong enough.

Paul

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Oct 17 2005, 10:40 AM

The early bars ARE welded. The Cap'n

Posted by: groot Oct 17 2005, 10:57 AM

I've got a cast spare I don't need. Just cover shipping and it's yours....

Posted by: URY914 Oct 17 2005, 11:06 AM

QUOTE (Cap'n Krusty @ Oct 17 2005, 08:40 AM)
The early bars ARE welded. The Cap'n

I know.

Late bars cast.

Posted by: Mueller Oct 17 2005, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (IanStott @ Oct 17 2005, 09:01 AM)
Trying to find a source for a new engine support bar and I'm not doing well. Also when you up your HP is the stock one strong enough ? Is there a source for a stronger one if required? Thanks.

Ian
Moncton

400 or so HP is the number that Rod Simpson claims for his Chevy V8 conversion kits....yes, he does use the stock bar with brackets bolted to it for the base kits.

Posted by: IanStott Oct 17 2005, 12:12 PM

I e-mailed kevin Groot indicating I will take him up on his kind offer, thanks to all who posted. The weld on my existing bar was a concern for 2 reasons, weld strength and the passenger side was a piece of pipe allowing the bolt to move around, not an ideal setup!

Ian Stott

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Oct 17 2005, 12:19 PM

You still havwen't told us whether your car is early or late. If it's early, the free bar won't fit. The Cap'n

Posted by: groot Oct 17 2005, 12:35 PM

74 is later, no?

Posted by: SLITS Oct 17 2005, 12:42 PM

Easy way to tell.......

Are the end attachments like the mounts for the transmission (rubber) or do the bolts go directly in to a metal plate (no rubber). 1st is early (tailshift), 2nd is late (sideshift)

And '74....yes...sideshift from maybe mid '72 up.

Posted by: IanStott Oct 17 2005, 12:51 PM

It is times like this I wish I could post pics. According to Kevin the bar he has is the correct one. Anyone able to post pics of both, then I will know for sure so we don't waste Kevin's time shipping me something I can't use.

Ian

Posted by: rdauenhauer Oct 17 2005, 01:00 PM

Didnt Mark Bland fab a sweet support bar that was stronger AND saved weight?

Posted by: IanStott Oct 17 2005, 01:07 PM

Mine is a 74, sorry for not posting that, I did give that info to Kevin in an e-mail.

Ian

Posted by: SLITS Oct 17 2005, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (IanStott @ Oct 17 2005, 12:07 PM)
Mine is a 74, sorry for not posting that, I did give that info to Kevin in an e-mail.

Ian

Then you should have solid mounts at the end....rubber pads at the center (kinda) of the engine behind the blower housing....and a big hole on the driver's side for the sideshift shift linkage to pass thru.

Posted by: URY914 Oct 17 2005, 02:00 PM

QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Oct 17 2005, 11:00 AM)
Didnt Mark Bland fab a sweet support bar that was stronger AND saved weight?

I did too.

Posted by: IanStott Oct 17 2005, 02:18 PM

Yeah, it is solid at the ends with the rubber engine mounts behind the blower housing, and the big hole for the shifter linkage on the drivers side. The rubbers are in great shape, I know there are solid ones available, but I hear they are noisier. The passenger side is just a piece of pipe welded on, it worked but I don't trust it.

Ian

Posted by: sublime74 Oct 18 2005, 12:07 AM

I am interested in either the Mark Bland lightweight support bar or the URY914 lightwieght bar for my '74 914. You have a photo and a price? Will it work with the stock shift rod? Will it work with a dry sump pump?

Posted by: URY914 Oct 18 2005, 07:04 AM

QUOTE (sublime74 @ Oct 17 2005, 10:07 PM)
I am interested in either the Mark Bland lightweight support bar or the URY914 lightwieght bar for my '74 914. You have a photo and a price? Will it work with the stock shift rod? Will it work with a dry sump pump?

Here is a picture of my bar....

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Posted by: Mark Henry Oct 18 2005, 07:09 AM

Ian, I may have a bar if you still need one...save you the customs hassles

Posted by: URY914 Oct 18 2005, 07:12 AM

Here is the link to my post about the bar... http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=22759&hl=mounting+bar

But I not interested in building these to sell. Feel free to copy it, take it to a fabshop and have them make one for you. I know several guys here that would do a great job for you (RacerChris and Tony). I used 1” tubing and some 1 ½” angle. Pretty simple really.

Sorry, I really just need the time to work on my own stuff.

Paul

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 18 2005, 07:43 AM

QUOTE (URY914 @ Oct 17 2005, 12:28 PM)
Late cars are cast iron.

They're forged steel!
Big difference from cast iron, which would be a bad choice for an application like the 914 engine mounting bar.

Posted by: URY914 Oct 18 2005, 07:47 AM

QUOTE (Racer Chris @ Oct 18 2005, 05:43 AM)

QUOTE (URY914 @ Oct 17 2005, 12:28 PM)
Late cars are cast iron.

They're forged steel!
Big difference from cast iron, which would be a bad choice for an application like the 914 engine mounting bar.

I stand corrected...

OK than, they are heavy as cast iron! You're right, cast iron would not be the right/best material.

Paul

Posted by: Racer Chris Oct 18 2005, 07:58 AM

QUOTE (URY914 @ Oct 18 2005, 09:47 AM)
OK than, they are heavy as cast iron! You're right, cast iron would not be the right/best material.

Except that a bar made of cast iron would have to be twice as heavy to be strong enough, and the existing bar could be 25% lighter and still be plenty strong.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 18 2005, 11:45 AM

QUOTE (Racer Chris @ Oct 18 2005, 05:58 AM)
... the existing bar could be 25% lighter and still be plenty strong.

Shoot, I think the existing bar could be 25% as heavy (75% lighter) and still be more than strong enough!!! That mother is a very very solid piece!

--DD

Posted by: SLITS Oct 18 2005, 12:29 PM

QUOTE (Dave_Darling @ Oct 18 2005, 10:45 AM)

QUOTE (Racer Chris @ Oct 18 2005, 05:58 AM)
... the existing bar could be 25% lighter and still be plenty strong.

Shoot, I think the existing bar could be 25% as heavy (75% lighter) and still be more than strong enough!!! That mother is a very very solid piece!

--DD

You outta see what it does when it falls from the racking and hits someone in the head..........no, not me...they guy that was helping me.

Posted by: spunone Oct 18 2005, 12:49 PM

ok Slits I had to ask

Posted by: DaveE Oct 19 2005, 08:42 AM

I have an early bar at home taken from a parts car that was in a heavy front end collision. Both ends have about a 15-20 degree bend from the force of the drivetrain moving forward when the car came to a sudden stop. I guess that's why Porsche made them so hefty............