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Posted by: Dr. Roger Oct 24 2005, 06:38 PM
Heheehe. 
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Posted by: olav Oct 24 2005, 06:46 PM
Doesn't a Pantera have a frame?
Posted by: ninefourteener Oct 24 2005, 07:27 PM
That would be a yummi Ford small block V8........ with a yummi pair of turbos 
Lets see the rest of the car!!!!
Posted by: SpecialK Oct 24 2005, 07:31 PM
A guy in the UK did a twin supercharger set with his 914.
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Posted by: Dr. Roger Oct 24 2005, 07:32 PM
I got it from this "For Sale" ad.
http://www.panteracars.com/twin22805.htm
Posted by: SpecialK Oct 24 2005, 07:32 PM
qwer
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Posted by: Hawktel Oct 24 2005, 09:24 PM
Okay. Were you talking about at Small block twin turbo ford in a 914, or hanging the radiator off the back?
Hanging the Radiator out the back has interesting possibilites.
Posted by: URY914 Oct 24 2005, 09:30 PM
| QUOTE (Hawktel @ Oct 24 2005, 07:24 PM) |
| Hanging the Radiator out the back has interesting possibilites. |
Like an engine that over heats in about the first 1/4 mile?
Posted by: Aaron Cox Oct 24 2005, 09:31 PM
trans cooler?
nice U joints 
Posted by: hmeeder Oct 24 2005, 11:34 PM
Paul Gunn; a canadian dude I bought my roll bar from, has a twin turbo SBC in his 914. Claims it dyno'd at 1000 hp and 1017 lbs of torque before he broke their dyno. All that is hooked to a Pantera transmission. This guy has got a serious jones for a scary ride. 2 lbs per pony? That's just out of control.
Posted by: messix Oct 24 2005, 11:36 PM
try oil cooler.
Posted by: messix Oct 24 2005, 11:38 PM
| QUOTE (hmeeder @ Oct 24 2005, 10:34 PM) |
| Paul Gunn; a canadian dude I bought my roll bar from, has a twin turbo SBC in his 914. Claims it dyno'd at 1000 hp and 1017 lbs of torque before he broke their dyno. All that is hooked to a Pantera transmission. This guy has got a serious jones for a scary ride. 2 lbs per pony? That's just out of control. |
i'd like to see that car.
must be tube framed to handle that power.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 24 2005, 11:42 PM
HEHEHE holly sh$t, that twin turbo Pantera looks almost exactly like my set up. I guess I am not that smart after all 
Still no pictures so dont ask! 
Posted by: messix Oct 24 2005, 11:45 PM
don't make me come up there and hunt you down Paul. I'm only an hour and a half away.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:00 AM
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| I'm only an hour and a half away. |
Sounds good to me. You should come by for dinner and view my beast in person. Then you can attest to its existence.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Oct 25 2005, 12:02 AM
| QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Oct 24 2005, 11:00 PM) | ||
Sounds good to me. You should come by for dinner and view my beast in person. Then you can attest to its existence. |
and ake pictures
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:05 AM
| QUOTE (messix @ Oct 24 2005, 10:38 PM) | ||
i'd like to see that car. must be tube framed to handle that power. |
The first attempt was not tube framed. Second outing the car ripped in half
Building the second car now and not making the same mistake as the first one. Adding a 12 point + cage this time around.
Posted by: messix Oct 25 2005, 12:07 AM
i wonder what a guy who builds a 1,000 hp 2,000lb street car eats for dinner?
chilling 
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:09 AM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Oct 24 2005, 11:02 PM) | ||||
and ake pictures |
WARNING I am in possession of ALIEN technology. Your pictures will not turn out
Posted by: messix Oct 25 2005, 12:09 AM
| QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Oct 24 2005, 11:05 PM) | ||||
The first attempt was not tube framed. Second outing the car ripped in half Building the second car now and not making the same mistake as the first one. Adding a 12 point + cage this time around. |
ripped in half? where? at the bulk head? too much torque for stamped sheet metal? ya think!
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:10 AM
| QUOTE (messix @ Oct 24 2005, 11:07 PM) |
| i wonder what a guy who builds a 1,000 hp 2,000lb street car eats for dinner? chilling |
Mustangs, Corvettes, etc......
Posted by: messix Oct 25 2005, 12:10 AM
little hyjack going here , sorry but not really.
paul are you in B.C. ? what part?
Posted by: messix Oct 25 2005, 12:11 AM
| QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Oct 24 2005, 11:10 PM) | ||
Mustangs, Corvettes, etc...... |
the wimpy stuff.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:18 AM
| QUOTE (messix @ Oct 24 2005, 11:09 PM) | ||||||
ripped in half? where? at the bulk head? too much torque for stamped sheet metal? ya think! |
I figured that things should be good if I kept the boost low and just eased into the throttle. On the way home after the second outing 100m straight I eased the throttle down just a little bit. Boost gauge read 10 psi. Felt crazy. Pulled into the garage and attempted to open the door to get out.
. The door would not open. Crawled out though the window. Put a jack under the door to open the gap up to allow the door to open no go. The back of the car went up and the door went down. Ripped the long straight through. 
10 + year build ended after the second outing. Live, learn, die.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:19 AM
| QUOTE (messix @ Oct 24 2005, 11:11 PM) | ||||
the wimpy stuff. |
Oh yeh little 914 too.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:21 AM
Sorry not in B.C.
I am in Ontario.
Posted by: messix Oct 25 2005, 12:24 AM
| QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Oct 24 2005, 11:21 PM) |
| Sorry not in B.C. I am in Ontario. |
well then thats more than 1.5 hours away.
ripped the long apart? bad!!!!
are you going to use a motor plate and tie that into the cage also?
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:43 AM
Well first the long will be completely boxed this time around. Remade the RH motor mount to tie into the cage. The plan is to transfer the twisting power from the torque away from the long and into the cage. 
You can always fly down . I can supply room and board. I should warn you I have two small kids that don’t shout down for more than a few hours at a time.
Posted by: messix Oct 25 2005, 12:47 AM
I should warn you I have two small kids that don’t shout down for more than a few hours at a time.
thank you for the invite. i also have a five year old. i know the life. 
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 25 2005, 12:50 AM
Man your good. 
Posted by: Dr. Roger Oct 25 2005, 10:22 AM
| QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Oct 24 2005, 11:43 PM) |
| Well first the long will be completely boxed this time around. Remade the RH motor mount to tie into the cage. The plan is to transfer the twisting power from the torque away from the long and into the cage. :wacko: :confused: You can always fly down . I can supply room and board. I should warn you I have two small kids that don’t shout down for more than a few hours at a time. |
Geez Paul,
Now you've got me thinking I need to protect my investment with some frame reinforcements...
So, if I understand correctly, the frame gave way at the jack points? Or thereabouts?
As mine is, the door clearances are great but the engine is not broken in yet. (keeping her to about 3/4 throttle and only once or twice
...)Hey Andyrew, if yer checking this, have you done anything to yours? I know you jump on your quite often...
Roger
Posted by: MikeP Oct 25 2005, 11:16 AM
Richard Hatfield has a twin turbo sbc to 930 trans car right here in the Bay area. I'll see if I can get some pics.
Posted by: ArtechnikA Oct 25 2005, 03:12 PM
| QUOTE (messix @ Oct 25 2005, 01:36 AM) |
| try oil cooler. |
maybe - but those look like AC lines to me.
i donno ...
Posted by: Dead Air Oct 26 2005, 07:21 AM
| QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Oct 24 2005, 10:21 PM) |
| Sorry not in B.C. I am in Ontario. |
[QUOTE]
Near Buffalo?
Posted by: maf914 Oct 26 2005, 08:57 AM
| QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Oct 25 2005, 01:12 PM) | ||
maybe - but those look like AC lines to me. i donno ... |
Yep, looks like an AC condenser.
What's going on with the turbo set-up? Is that a four barrel draw through feeding twin turbos? It looks like the carb is sitting on the manifold in the normal position. It hard to see how the turbo pressure is fed into the manifold.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 26 2005, 01:50 PM
| QUOTE (maf914 @ Oct 26 2005, 07:57 AM) | ||||
Yep, looks like an AC condenser. What's going on with the turbo set-up? Is that a four barrel draw through feeding twin turbos? It looks like the carb is sitting on the manifold in the normal position. It hard to see how the turbo pressure is fed into the manifold. |
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| Yep, looks like an AC condenser. |
No your all wrong. I consulted on the build of this car. I know the owner and the car very well. The unit in question here is a liquid to liquid oil cooler. It uses the rad coolant to cool the oil.
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| What's going on with the turbo set-up? Is that a four barrel draw through feeding twin turbos? |
You win the door prize
Your assumption is correct it is a four barrel draw through system. Ok system but I prefer blow thought systems. Twice the power due to the ability to add an intercooler.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 26 2005, 01:51 PM
| QUOTE (Dead Air @ Oct 26 2005, 06:21 AM) | ||
[QUOTE] Near Buffalo? |
Yep, just a stone throw away, so to speak.
Posted by: ArtechnikA Oct 26 2005, 01:53 PM
| QUOTE (turbo914v8 @ Oct 26 2005, 03:50 PM) |
| The unit in question here is a liquid to liquid oil cooler. It uses the rad coolant to cool the oil. |
very well then - the question remains - what's the thing in the back with the fan and the single set of fluid lines?
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 26 2005, 01:55 PM
| QUOTE (MikeP @ Oct 25 2005, 10:16 AM) |
| Richard Hatfield has a twin turbo sbc to 930 trans car right here in the Bay area. I'll see if I can get some pics. |
is this in a 914 or 911? Darn, I thought I was the first one
. Is his sytem intercooled? I have a million questions.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 26 2005, 01:58 PM
| QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Oct 25 2005, 09:22 AM) | ||
Geez Paul, Now you've got me thinking I need to protect my investment with some frame reinforcements... So, if I understand correctly, the frame gave way at the jack points? Or thereabouts? As mine is, the door clearances are great but the engine is not broken in yet. (keeping her to about 3/4 throttle and only once or twice ...)Hey Andyrew, if yer checking this, have you done anything to yours? I know you jump on your quite often... Roger |
| QUOTE |
| So, if I understand correctly, the frame gave way at the jack points? Or thereabouts? |
Posted by: maf914 Oct 26 2005, 02:02 PM
| QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Oct 26 2005, 11:53 AM) | ||
very well then - the question remains - what's the thing in the back with the fan and the single set of fluid lines? |
I guess that is the radiator that provides coolant for the water-to-oil heat exchanger. At least I think that is what Turbo914V8 is saying.
Posted by: Brett W Oct 26 2005, 03:09 PM
It is the AC condesor. Notice the crimped on AC fittings on each line.
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Oct 26 2005, 03:13 PM
Anybody ever able to connect with the UK 914 guy?
Wouldn't return any of my emails...
Posted by: jd74914 Oct 26 2005, 03:15 PM
I always wondered about that car
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 26 2005, 11:44 PM
| QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Oct 26 2005, 12:53 PM) | ||
very well then - the question remains - what's the thing in the back with the fan and the single set of fluid lines? |
Sorry all I am such a blockhead sometime; I was looking at the wrong picture. In an effort to gain more power buy decreasing the pulley size on the superchargers the inlet air temperature rose to critical so a liquid intercooler was added to reduce the charge air temp. The box you see on top. The unit in question is a small motorcycle radiator used to remove heat from the cooling liquid used in the intercooler.http://www.v8914.com/Images/Big/Intercooler-Rear.jpg
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 26 2005, 11:49 PM
| QUOTE (horizontally-opposed @ Oct 26 2005, 02:13 PM) |
| Anybody ever able to connect with the UK 914 guy? Wouldn't return any of my emails... |
I correspond with him regularly. Great guy but very busy. He is taking a well-deserved break from his 914. He is building, remodeling houses with his brother. That’s taking up all of his time now.
Posted by: Andyrew Oct 26 2005, 11:57 PM
| QUOTE (rogergrubb @ Oct 25 2005, 09:22 AM) | ||
Geez Paul, Now you've got me thinking I need to protect my investment with some frame reinforcements... So, if I understand correctly, the frame gave way at the jack points? Or thereabouts? As mine is, the door clearances are great but the engine is not broken in yet. (keeping her to about 3/4 throttle and only once or twice ...)Hey Andyrew, if yer checking this, have you done anything to yours? I know you jump on your quite often... Roger |
I have an engman long kit sitting in a box!
I have some other stuff in mind... Like a tube from the firewall to the suspension ear... Triangulating the shock towers to the trani points, triangulating the supsension points up front... and well... picking up all the suspension points... lol
help?
Posted by: messix Oct 27 2005, 10:48 AM
andrew you should think about a way to tie the engine bay bulkhead [firewall] to a point in front of the doors close to the cowl area. a modified cage with out the main hoop would work. just reinforce all mounting points of the tubes with steel plate [ tube to firewall on both sides ].
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 27 2005, 11:21 AM
| QUOTE (Andyrew @ Oct 26 2005, 10:57 PM) | ||||
I have an engman long kit sitting in a box! I have some other stuff in mind... Like a tube from the firewall to the suspension ear... Triangulating the shock towers to the trani points, triangulating the supsension points up front... and well... picking up all the suspension points... lol help? |
I also have the engman long kit sitting in a box. I plan on installing it before the cage. I have been tolled that the two combined is over kill, but after my last action hero move with chasse number 1. I think a little over kill is in order.
Posted by: Andyrew Oct 27 2005, 11:26 AM
I agree..
Your engine is overkill so any chassi stiffening is NOT overkill in my book.
especially if your running slicks. You running slicks? I plan on it.
Posted by: turbo914v8 Oct 28 2005, 05:44 PM
Oooooohhh slicks. I would love to run slicks on the streets of Toronto, but unfortunately it’s highly against the law here and it is very heavily enforced and penalized if you’re caught with them on the streets. However on the track its free game. I have 16 x 12 and 16 x 13 rims rapped with street rubber on the car now, Should be able to hold 12 psi of engine boost = 700 + HP. This will be the street setting. 
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