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Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 04:16 AM
as a side-job i help people with thier computers.....
I helped this one girl with her computer....spent like four hours over there at HER house. got french kissed by the dog too 
.....i gave them a price of 70 dollars, and the girl gave me a check.
I deposit it, and i check my acc't tonight and find that NOT only was the check cancelled, since I relied on that money, I now have a huge overdraft....
how do i protect myself from this in the future....dont take checks?
b
Posted by: North Bay 914 Nov 10 2005, 04:39 AM
Stern will give ya a kiss...
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Posted by: Tom Perso Nov 10 2005, 05:16 AM
$70 for 4 hours? You're cheap.
I'm $100 from 1-59 minutes. Then $50/hr after that. I do quick work, and they don't call me back for stupid shit.
Oh yeah, I only take cash too.
It's a tough world out there. Either take cash or carry around your own credit card swiper.
Tom
Posted by: Pnambic Nov 10 2005, 05:51 AM
Hmmm...how much does it cost to file a lien on their property? If nothing else, it'll make them look shitty when/if they go to sell their house.
Or call 'em up and pretend like you haven't noticed the check crap and tell them you found something to keep their problem from returning and would like to stop by real quick to take care of it free of charge. Then wipe their boot sector or something....hehehe
Posted by: boboli914@att.net Nov 10 2005, 07:33 AM
Tell them you will not call the feds about "the pictures"if they kindly give you cash! 
Posted by: URY914 Nov 10 2005, 07:37 AM
Go back over there, knock on the door and get the cash.
Posted by: elwood-914 Nov 10 2005, 07:39 AM
Britt, Did you call and find out why they canciled the check? If I did some work and didn't get paid, I would take them to small claims, just getting served they might pay up. And yes you should be charging more. Hell if you charged what you should, we might hear you bitch that you have both of your cars on the road.
Posted by: Sparky Nov 10 2005, 07:49 AM
Britt call 'em on it. Give them the chance to pay, cash, and don't do business with them again. When you talk to them let them know most people charge anywhere from 45-65 an hour with a 3 hour min.
Mike D.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Nov 10 2005, 08:08 AM
don't take checks... cash only... $50 an hour minimum... if you time is only worth 17.50 an hour, a job at a department store is easier...
I charged $100 to add RAM to a co-worker's computer.... I counted driving time to get to him though, so that was about an hour ("work" + driving)
I build comuters for people up at work that want a new PC, but not a Dell... it's not worth my time if I'm not getting paid... and Cash is all I accept(unless they have something to trade: guns, computer stuff, car parts, etc... )
if I do it for a friend, I don't charge, but my friends usually know how to do the stuff...
for these people, definately call them on it, and charge them a $20 returned check fee... like any business would...
Posted by: Bartlett 914 Nov 10 2005, 09:06 AM
Hi Britt
Tell her that if she needs a code to remove the virus you installed which in 2 days will delete everything unless she pays up now!
Mark
Posted by: Bartlett 914 Nov 10 2005, 09:08 AM
Oh and don't forget she needs to pay extra for the code!
Posted by: Root_Werks Nov 10 2005, 09:23 AM
You must be young.
Posted by: sjhowitson Nov 10 2005, 09:30 AM
Small claims is the best avenue of attack. Just being served will help alot. Cash up front is the best form of payment. I feel your pain ...people think they can take advantage. I would have a contract form with you when you take on a job. If you have the phone number of this person several phone calls at the dinner hour would be helpful. She owes you the $$$$ be forceful. Post the number and we will help. Calls from "bill collectors"
Posted by: dbledsoe Nov 10 2005, 09:49 AM
Call her and get her side of the story. Maybe she's strapped for cash, in which case tell her you'll take it out in trade i.e., four hours worth of 
with her. 
If she's ugly, well forget I even replied here. 
Posted by: tat2dphreak Nov 10 2005, 09:50 AM
| QUOTE (dbledsoe @ Nov 10 2005, 10:49 AM) |
| Call her back and get her side of the story. Maybe she's strapped for cash, in which case tell her you'll take it out in trade i.e., four hours worth of with her. If she's ugly, well forget I even replied here. |
ahh... beauty is usually only a light switch away...
but FAT, that glows in the dark...
Posted by: Hawktel Nov 10 2005, 09:53 AM
I don't work on friends computers. I help them choose the stuff, and tell them how to put it together, and if they bring it over, I let them use my bench, but I don't pick up one componet. They do all the work. Takes longer, but its worth it.
Posted by: Brando Nov 10 2005, 09:56 AM
Price is on par with experience, in my experience.
Call them about the check. Tell them you want cash. Don't do any computer work for them again.
Posted by: balljoint Nov 10 2005, 10:07 AM
How was the dog?
Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 10 2005, 10:09 AM
never, NEVER, run a personal check through your account unless you are absolutely positive it is good. cash it at the issuers bank. how many checks were written against the overdraft? forget small claims court. contact the police. what are the laws in your state regarding hanging bad paper? in the future; cash, money order, cashiers check. if you are told "money orders are too exspensive", walk away. they can be had for pennies.
recontact the person. be polite. don't mention the bad check yet. tell her you forgot something and you want to finnish the job. do what ever it takes to lock down the computer, new password-whatever. now you get to tell her what the bad check fees are, the additional fees for the extra labor, and you will take CASH ONLY. if she balks, tell her it will only cost more if you have to come back again and walk away.
k
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 10:38 AM
| QUOTE (balljoint @ Nov 10 2005, 10:07 AM) |
| How was the dog? |
definately marked another first for me.
the dog enjoyed it i think.
b
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 10:39 AM
well I'm goign to go to the bank and start a bunch of shit.....
why didn't they call me.....
I'll do cash only for now on.
I had no idea somebody could pull a check--first time i've been scammed.
b
Posted by: TonyAKAVW Nov 10 2005, 10:45 AM
This is such a common problem that the county of Los Angeles has a bad check restitution program. Essentially you have to send the check writer a notice saying that they need to pay you, and if they don't the restitution program comes in and it then becomes a case prosecuted by the district attorney. At that point they are forced to pay you for the check plus the fees from the bank, and if they still refuse to pay, then it becomes a criminal case and then they are forced to go to court where they will be forced to pay triple the amount of the check plus fees!
See if there's a similar program in your area...
-Tony
Posted by: effutuo101 Nov 10 2005, 10:48 AM
I agree with a lot of posts. in some states, the person is responsible for 10x the amount of the check.. or $700 in your case plus overdraft fees, plus returned check fees. Start with the PoPo first. The checks might be stolen. (a case in Washington this week showed a mother stole checks from her son and wrote a bunch of bad checks). You might be able to help solve a case. If not, you can pursue small claims. As a freedom of speach thing, take a copy of the check to all of the stores in the area that the person lives and tell them for their protection, you have noticed....
Cash on the barrel head forever is a good idea. Good luck.
Posted by: rhodyguy Nov 10 2005, 11:06 AM
it's not your bank's fault britt. be polite. does the bank have a little sign stating "funds from personal checks deposited may not be available for 10 working days"? go to the bank the check was written on. even if your bank has an "overdraft policy" and covers the checks written, they are prob going to charge you a "fee" per item. my bank covers the checks but they charge $25 per and the fee is automaticlly deducted from the account. don't write anymore checks until your account balance is resolved. good luck.
k
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 10 2005, 11:58 AM
britt - you got hosed chief
here is what i would do. walk/call over there. say "I need to be payed NOW in CASH, or i will see you in court"
goodbye
AA
Posted by: tat2dphreak Nov 10 2005, 12:15 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Nov 10 2005, 11:39 AM) |
| well I'm goign to go to the bank and start a bunch of shit..... why didn't they call me..... I'll do cash only for now on. I had no idea somebody could pull a check--first time i've been scammed. b |
LOL, if a bank called people everytime a person bounced a check they wou;d lose money because of phone bills and people that just call... get real man! bank didn't do this... go after the woman with the check and the whorish dog...
I had a paycheck bounce in college, luckily I hadn't spent all of it yet... but still got hit with several over-draft fees... they person made good on the check and paid the overdrafts, since it was an over-sight on his part... people don't like the thought of getting sued...
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 12:15 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Nov 10 2005, 11:58 AM) |
| britt - you got hosed chief here is what i would do. walk/call over there. say "I need to be payed NOW in CASH, or i will see you in court" goodbye AA |
went to the bank, they halved my overage fees....i'm getting my los parentes to loan me 70 clams to cover the rest.
the bank is going to get a image of the check...
I was nice, i didn't have to lay the B bomb over there. I'm saving that for the house on Washburn Avenue, Louisville, KY
b
oh and about court: isn't small claims court costs expensive? Cano......
b
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 10 2005, 12:21 PM
which house?
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Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 12:22 PM
after the railroad tracks....8th house on right...
lets get like 10 914s there.....
with bats...and latex gloves.
b
Posted by: Cano Nov 10 2005, 12:26 PM
You can file a Complaint in small claims court, but the time you will lose doing so and in going to the hearing for such a small amount does not make that approach cost effective by any means. . . plus, even if you have a judgment you still have to collect it.
Can't file a lien in KY upon your facts unless you have a judgment (see above).
I would suggest filing a criminal complaint with the county attorney. That way, the state is acting as your "lawyer" and it will not cost you anything other than the time to file the Complaint. Tell them you want restitution as part of the penalty. That way, as long as the defendant makes restitution to you, they will only get a slap on the wrist at most (probably all charges will be dropped as long as they make you whole).
Good luck
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 12:27 PM
thats cool.
thanks.
b
Posted by: Cano Nov 10 2005, 12:37 PM
Hell, Britt, PM or call me with all the facts and I will write them a demand letter. Often that will do the trick.
Posted by: MikeP Nov 10 2005, 12:40 PM
I own a finance company I could have an account manager call and say you sold us their paper and we're pursuing collections if you want.
Posted by: Grimstead Nov 10 2005, 12:56 PM
In California small claims will award you direct fees related to the case (filling fees, serving costs, etc...) but won't give you money for time & trouble. The nice thing is once you win the case, you can do all sorts of Evil things to the other party. We just went through the small claims process here a couple of months ago. I even had a mean-ass 6.2'+ board member here serve the papers for us 
.
The case went to court, the other party didn't show up (apparently very few ever do) and we won the case. The only bad thing was my Wife spent allot of time researching and preparing for our case and when we won the other party just sent us a check and my Wife never got to do any of the Evil (legal) things to get our money (she was very bummed about that (we are not the nicest people when crossed)).
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 10 2005, 01:02 PM
| QUOTE (Grimstead @ Nov 10 2005, 11:56 AM) |
| In California small claims will award you direct fees related to the case (filling fees, serving costs, etc...) but won't give you money for time & trouble. The nice thing is once you win the case, you can do all sorts of Evil things to the other party. We just went through the small claims process here a couple of months ago. I even had a mean-ass 6.2'+ board member here serve the papers for us . The case went to court, the other party didn't show up (apparently very few ever do) and we won the case. The only bad thing was my Wife spent allot of time researching and preparing for our case and when we won the other party just sent us a check and my Wife never got to do any of the Evil (legal) things to get our money (she was very bummed about that (we are not the nicest people when crossed)). |
"You got served mugfugga"
Posted by: Jenny Nov 10 2005, 01:07 PM
Britt, whatever means you use to get your money, make sure you get the original amount ($70.00) plus your bank fees (get the full amount, she doesn't have to know your bank is going halfsies on this with you. Your bank should generate a statement for youwith a copy of the check stating what their fees are for an NSF check) plus any other money you're out for being overdrawn since you were expecting that $70 to be there. That includes any checks you may bounce due to her cancelling her check, any late fees you may accru, etc... Get it all. And then go after your gas and time. That's not free either.
Yes, people do suck. Sorry you had to find out this way.
Jen
Posted by: MattR Nov 10 2005, 01:07 PM
Small claims court? 
Is the 70 bucks really that important? Dude, have some fun. You're good with computers. You have their IP, right? Get creative...
Posted by: TROJANMAN Nov 10 2005, 01:10 PM
if she was hot, what are you doing asking her for money? 
Posted by: Jenny Nov 10 2005, 01:13 PM
Well, for me, it's more than just the $70. It's the principle of it all. Plus $70 isn't chump change. Especially for someone younger like Britt (or even yourself) unless you're independently wealthy. Yes, fuching with someone is fun, especially when they deserve it. But your well deserved $70 in your bank account is probably better.
Jen
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 10 2005, 01:27 PM
| QUOTE (Jenny @ Nov 10 2005, 12:13 PM) |
| Well, for me, it's more than just the $70. It's the principle of it all. Plus $70 isn't chump change. Especially for someone younger like Britt (or even yourself) unless you're independently wealthy. Yes, fuching with someone is fun, especially when they deserve it. But your well deserved $70 in your bank account is probably better. Jen |
word.
70 bucks is 70/3000 of what i make a year. 2,3% of my yearly earnings
all about principle
Posted by: Elliot Cannon Nov 10 2005, 01:56 PM
Don't worry Aaron. You'll be making a least twice that as a civil engineer.
Elliot
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 10 2005, 02:04 PM
| QUOTE (Elliot Cannon @ Nov 10 2005, 12:56 PM) |
| Don't worry Aaron. You'll be making a least twice that as a civil engineer. Elliot |
gawd, i hope so Elliotttt
i got kids to feed mang
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 02:06 PM
well yeah...even though me and the bank are all taken care of, i'm still going to persue this person. I'm still out my money. In fact i'm calling her right now....as I type.
cano, thanks for your help. i appreciate it, and i'll let you know if I need your help
the bank said it could be something simple, like me not signing the check....but they could also have bouced the check. (i always endorse checks before i cash them)
b
Posted by: TROJANMAN Nov 10 2005, 03:03 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Nov 10 2005, 12:06 PM) |
| well yeah...even though me and the bank are all taken care of, i'm still going to persue this person. I'm still out my money. In fact i'm calling her right now....as I type. b |
why would you want to do that?
you alreday know she doesn't put out (the cash that is)
Posted by: elwood-914 Nov 10 2005, 05:47 PM
So you called and what happend? Throw us a bone Britt!
Did she tell you that you fix computers about as well as you adust valves on a type IV? Come on just given you a hard time. Post her phone number and we'll call her!
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 06:04 PM
everything is taken care of betweeen the bank and myself....the phone number I had was the girl's room-mate, who happened to be her banker as well...I explaned what happened, she said check was good now.
now that I know the branch manager very well, she told me that I should collect this fee for returned checks and under her breath she said overdraft fees....should i collect this? I mean assumably checks are good to cash if written, but is she responsible for me not being able use her money that she gave me and then (in essence) took back?
b
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 10 2005, 06:07 PM
judge judy yo 
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 06:12 PM
if i were on there, she'd make me crap my pants....
she scares the living daylights out of me....
good part is though is that she's in CA(i thought so at least), which means R-O-A-D-T-R-I-P
b
Posted by: scotty b Nov 10 2005, 06:20 PM
Her roomate is her banker??? 
Sounds like a scam to me. Two hot chicks get werk done write a bad check, apologize, smile, flash a little hootie and move on to the next starving student. Yep, 
carpet munchers. 
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 06:25 PM
the banker owns the house, the other one has a Boyfriend...who was there that night.
as far as i know, the only one that was lonely was the dog that night....
Posted by: elwood-914 Nov 10 2005, 06:57 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Nov 10 2005, 04:25 PM) |
| as far as i know, the only one that was lonely was the dog that night.... |
And you........
Posted by: markb Nov 10 2005, 07:07 PM
| QUOTE (Grimstead @ Nov 10 2005, 11:56 AM) |
| In California small claims will award you direct fees related to the case (filling fees, serving costs, etc...) but won't give you money for time & trouble. The nice thing is once you win the case, you can do all sorts of Evil things to the other party. We just went through the small claims process here a couple of months ago. I even had a mean-ass 6.2'+ board member here serve the papers for us . The case went to court, the other party didn't show up (apparently very few ever do) and we won the case. The only bad thing was my Wife spent allot of time researching and preparing for our case and when we won the other party just sent us a check and my Wife never got to do any of the Evil (legal) things to get our money (she was very bummed about that (we are not the nicest people when crossed)). |
Hmmm, can you tell me a bit more about some of the "evil" things? I have a judgement against someone that is quite a few years old now. He moved to Las Vegas from CA, and when he was served about the judgment, had his boss fire him then hire him back "under the table". Now I can't get any cash because he doesn't officially make anything. Of course, I haven't tried in a couple of years, but I expect things haven't changed.
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 07:18 PM
| QUOTE (elwood-914 @ Nov 10 2005, 06:57 PM) | ||
And you........ |
worked by butt off on thier computer.
Posted by: GWN7 Nov 10 2005, 07:41 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Nov 10 2005, 04:04 PM) |
| everything is taken care of betweeen the bank and myself....the phone number I had was the girl's room-mate, who happened to be her banker as well...I explaned what happened, she said check was good now. now that I know the branch manager very well, she told me that I should collect this fee for returned checks and under her breath she said overdraft fees....should i collect this? I mean assumably checks are good to cash if written, but is she responsible for me not being able use her money that she gave me and then (in essence) took back? b |
In your first post you said the cheque was canceled.....to me that ment they stopped payment on it. If that is so they can't just tell you it's good. They have to issue you a new cheque. If they didn't have enough funds in their account, then you can retry to cash it. Either way take it to their bank and either get it cashed there or have their bank certify it so you don't have any more problems with your bank.
Posted by: Jenny Nov 10 2005, 09:11 PM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Nov 10 2005, 04:04 PM) |
| now that I know the branch manager very well, she told me that I should collect this fee for returned checks and under her breath she said overdraft fees....should i collect this? |
YES! YES! YES!!!!
Get yer money! Get the money yer gonna get charged for not having yer money in the first place. Get the money you paid for gas to get to the bank (okay, that might be pushing it a little). But DEFINITELY get your $70, any fees your bank charged you (before you worked out the halfsies deal), and any other fees you accrued due to insufficient funds. That includes stuff outside of your bank. For example: If you bounced a check to your credit card company, you'll get charged from your bank for writing the check, you'll get charged a late fee from your cc company, and also a finance charge for not paying your balance off by the due date.
Jen
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 09:24 PM
okay....I dun think she's gonna like paying this...it's like 170 now, not including the check she got cashed. If I do this, i'd need a professional's help. Gordon, can you please PM me your number....maybe we can write her a letter or something. I personally think this is BS...Jen, your absolutely right...If "I" wrote a check and it bounced, I'd be screwed......no reason why I should have to wait and see and hope and pray for her check to go through. and then I have to pay for her messup, five days after the check was desposited? Nuh uh.
b
Posted by: TimT Nov 10 2005, 09:33 PM
Do want to be a doormat all your life?
| QUOTE |
| ....I dun think she's gonna like paying this...it's like 170 now, |
sheesh...
and institute a $75 service call fee.... they pay that just to get you to come to there house... if they dont have cash, and you cant directly accept creit card billing.. use PayPal... get money in pocket first..
Posted by: bd1308 Nov 10 2005, 09:41 PM
thanks guys.
honestly, I have never had this happen to me, so I didn't know whether or not it was my fault for spending the money or her fault for not having the money.
I'll get something taken care of. I think restitution is in order though....especially because I made the deposit on 10-31 and it was pulled 11-7....so I actually had that 70 dollars till 11-7.
it's a big mess, thanks for helpin' me out though.
b 
Posted by: DblDog Nov 10 2005, 09:42 PM
...the best one...tell her you'll uninstall the virus that you installed...for $100!...If she called you, she is low on the computer skills chart anyway...how would she know?...as you're leaving, tell her you will fix it from your computer... 
Posted by: Cano Nov 11 2005, 07:35 AM
Britt, you got a PM
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