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Posted by: Rick_Eberle Nov 17 2005, 01:17 AM
I just got off the phone with a guy here in Australia who is preparing a run of alloy calipers for the 914. Apparrently these are a direct replacement, including handbrake.
And for the xenophobes among you, yes they will be available right there in the USA.
So will these rims. (I just ordered a set of the rims today). It seems that the Formula Vee crowd here like 914 parts.
All this is still a few months away. (Except for my rims... they'll be here by Tuesday!)
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Posted by: markb Nov 17 2005, 01:18 AM
Will the rims come in 4 bolt?
Posted by: Rick_Eberle Nov 17 2005, 01:24 AM
4 bolt (4x130), 15x6, 36mm ET.
Oh, and they doing new bare heads as well.
Posted by: Mueller Nov 17 2005, 01:30 AM
will the calipers have any added features such as larger pistons?
will they split open to allow for running on vented rotors as the stock units can be done?
do you know if the rims are VW offset or 914 offset?
Posted by: Rick_Eberle Nov 17 2005, 01:38 AM
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| will the calipers have any added features such as larger pistons? |
Dunno.
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| will they split open to allow for running on vented rotors as the stock units can be done? |
Dunno.
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| do you know if the rims are VW offset or 914 offset? |
36mmET, same as a 15x6 five-lug fuchs, or 20mmET, for VW.
Posted by: McMark Nov 17 2005, 02:14 AM
$150 per wheel is not bad. 
They also have blank 914 rotors front and rear.
Posted by: jmargush Nov 17 2005, 05:20 AM
What is the address for the site? the one in the photo didn't seem to work
Posted by: solex Nov 17 2005, 08:19 AM
http://www.beetleracing.com
Posted by: Headrage Nov 17 2005, 09:46 AM
| QUOTE (McMark @ Nov 17 2005, 12:14 AM) |
| $150 per wheel is not bad. They also have blank 914 rotors front and rear. |
I'm showing them at $188.00 a piece.Is that price in Aussie dollars?
Posted by: lapuwali Nov 17 2005, 10:19 AM
There's a selector box on the right that sets the currency shown, Oz or US dollars.
The prices also include "GST", which is the value-added tax. It's normal in Commonwealth countries to include the tax in the price, but you shouldn't have to pay it in the US. Shipping, however, would be pretty steep. Perhaps a group buy is in order.
The calipers they show for Beetles are made by ATE, use 40mm pistons, and are only US$83 each . If the 914 calipers are even close to that in price, I'd buy a set in a second.
Posted by: Rick_Eberle Nov 17 2005, 02:13 PM
| QUOTE (lapuwali @ Nov 18 2005, 02:19 AM) |
| Shipping, however, would be pretty steep. Perhaps a group buy is in order. |
No need, he's hooking up with an outlet in California.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Nov 17 2005, 02:27 PM
wicked!!!
post pics on tuesday of your wheels 
Posted by: Mueller Nov 17 2005, 02:30 PM
| QUOTE (lapuwali @ Nov 17 2005, 09:19 AM) |
| The calipers they show for Beetles are made by ATE, use 40mm pistons, and are only US$83 each . If the 914 calipers are even close to that in price, I'd buy a set in a second. |
there will be 100 sets of stock steel calipers in the classifieds if this is anywhere near the truth
Posted by: Mueller Nov 17 2005, 02:31 PM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Nov 17 2005, 01:30 PM) | ||
there will be 100 sets of stock steel calipers in the classifieds if this is anywhere near the truth |
I'm surprised Paul (ury914) has not tried to pre-purchase the 1st set of aluminum calipers
Posted by: bmunday Nov 17 2005, 02:33 PM
Who's the disti in California? I like the calipers and the wheels.. Would be interested in seeign waht they look like on the car... Having a tough time with a mental picture. (SHUT UP!!!) 
Posted by: Dave-O Nov 17 2005, 02:41 PM
Damn....why not in 7"?
Posted by: crash914 Nov 17 2005, 03:04 PM
the distributer goes by the name of 
I don't know the distributer,, this is a joke...
Posted by: lapuwali Nov 17 2005, 03:11 PM
Please, if you can get the details out of this guy, let us know more about these 914 calipers. Piston sizes (front and rear), if the 914 handbrake setup works as-is, and weight. 40mm pistons with a 19mm MC would be close to ideal, and if the rears are also big (38mm would be nearly perfect), then an adjustable prop valve would actually be useful.
Posted by: Mark Henry Nov 17 2005, 03:33 PM
| QUOTE (crash914 @ Nov 17 2005, 05:04 PM) |
| the distributer goes by the name of :stromberg: :lol: |
I really hope Stromberg, AKA Type 4 parts, AKA
isn't the cali distributor.If he is I and many here won't even look at them.
He's a total dirtbag...maybe you should let this guy know about
.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Nov 17 2005, 04:27 PM
those rims are bitchin!! 
Posted by: Carrera916 Nov 17 2005, 06:09 PM
I personally seconded Mark Henry's comment.....I got screwed big time last week and it will be in the open eventually when I'm ready.....
hell, find out who's the california distributor and I'll make sure the aussie company is aware of who they select....
j
Posted by: Headrage Nov 17 2005, 06:56 PM
| QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Nov 17 2005, 02:27 PM) |
| those rims are bitchin!! |
Starting to think twice about that 5 lug conversion...
Posted by: Rick_Eberle Nov 18 2005, 06:31 AM
It's not
I think it's one of the type 1 crowd. I'll see if I can get some more details next week.
Posted by: bmunday Nov 18 2005, 06:45 AM
Jerry,
If you were screwed by these guys let us know..
I don't want anyone to get bashed unjistly, but then again, hate to see others be taken.
I am interested in the rims, andat a later date the calipers. I'm not interested in getting screwed on the purchase. It seems like alot of others are interested in spending some cash as well..
Thanks
Posted by: tat2dphreak Nov 18 2005, 11:05 AM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Nov 17 2005, 07:56 PM) | ||
Starting to think twice about that 5 lug conversion... |
why go 5 lug when you can do Mueller's Brakes and Rims like this?... these are sweet!
Posted by: Brando Nov 18 2005, 11:52 AM
| QUOTE (Rick_Eberle @ Nov 16 2005, 11:38 PM) | ||||||
Dunno.
Dunno.
36mmET, same as a 15x6 five-lug fuchs, or 20mmET, for VW. |
Please find out if they are split calipers...
Also, if they're making with larger pistons. If they're casting their own calipers, why not go with 4 pistons in each caliper?
Posted by: MattR Nov 18 2005, 12:29 PM
| QUOTE (bmunday @ Nov 18 2005, 04:45 AM) |
| If you were screwed by these guys let us know.. I don't want anyone to get bashed unjistly, but then again, hate to see others be taken. |
Brian, i think you misunderstood. Steve is a snake. He is not involved in this. I dont know why anyone would mention his name... seems like a stupid thing to joke about with it being such a sensitive subject on the board.
Posted by: lapuwali Nov 18 2005, 12:45 PM
Several reasons to not go four-piston. One, you can buy alloy four-piston calipers today from Wilwood, et al. They just need adapters. Two, a two-piston caliper would be cheaper to make. Three, if he's providing these to F-Vee racers, there may be rules about how many pistons are allowed.
The main reason to go four (or six or eight) pistons is that you want the same piston area spread over a "longer" arc of the rotor. The advantage here is you're gripping more of the rotor at the outer edge, which improves the leverage of the grip at the axle. With a different rotor, you can also remove the center section of the rotor (that the thinner but longer pads don't grip anymore) and replace it a lighter "hat", perhaps made out of aluminum. A glance at the front brakes on most recent sporting motorcycles is an excellent illustration of this.
However, if you're not going to change to a new style of rotor (which comes with its own costs, and may violate racing rules), then multiple pistons don't buy you much. You'll get some increase in leverage, but you can also increase braking power with slightly bigger pistons, too, for less money. You're already cutting weight significantly by using alloy instead of cast iron for the caliper body. It's also probable that these new calipers could use stock size pads, which simplifies long-term maintenance and reduces costs.
So, it's the usual cost v. improvement tradeoff. Alloy calipers with 40mm (up from 38mm stock) pistons that bolt on and use stock pads would be a very nice addition to the market, giving you better braking force with less weight and no hassles. Do the same for $100 per caliper and you'd have people lining up round the block for them. Do it for the rear with a stock handbrake setup and you're causing a riot. If they're also split and spacers can be easily made for them, and if the rears also have bigger pistons, then I can envision a kit available for under $1000 that gives vented rotors at all four corners with a working handbrake, less weight, an adjustable prop valve that's actually useful, all with four-lug wheels, alongside another bolt-on kit for under $500 that provides better brake balance and less weight (all unsprung), using stock rotors.
Posted by: Mark Henry Nov 18 2005, 01:45 PM
| QUOTE (MattR @ Nov 18 2005, 02:29 PM) | ||
Brian, i think you misunderstood. Steve is a snake. He is not involved in this. I dont know why anyone would mention his name... seems like a stupid thing to joke about with it being such a sensitive subject on the board. |
I mistook the reference as someone had the inside skinny that
was the US rep.It is a stupid thing to joke about IMHO.
BTW do a search on "onion" and "Type 4 parts" and you'll see why I have a low opinion of this guy.
Posted by: bmunday Nov 18 2005, 02:11 PM
| QUOTE (MattR @ Nov 18 2005, 10:29 AM) | ||
Brian, i think you misunderstood. Steve is a snake. He is not involved in this. I dont know why anyone would mention his name... seems like a stupid thing to joke about with it being such a sensitive subject on the board. |
Oh don't I feel
Thanks for settin my straight Matt.
Posted by: Mueller Nov 18 2005, 02:27 PM
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| with less weight and no hassles. Do the same for $100 per caliper and you'd.... |
less weight would be nice, I'm sending Eric Shea a 110 pound package and it has nothing but stock 914 calipers in it
Posted by: crash914 Nov 18 2005, 03:46 PM
my bad.....
I will go slap myself with a wet noodle.....
I do like the idea of alloy calipers....the bmw ones are very heavy also..
Posted by: Mark Henry Nov 18 2005, 03:53 PM
Posted by: davep Nov 18 2005, 04:23 PM
These are supposed to be ATE calipers are they not?
The picture shows something similar to our front calipers, that is, no parking brake.
As a front replacement that is a step backward from the 42mm pistons.
If they have a rear caliper with integral parking brake (ala 914) then that would be interesting. But what would the piston size be.
More info needed, and some good pictures would be nice.
Posted by: lapuwali Nov 18 2005, 04:57 PM
| QUOTE (davep @ Nov 18 2005, 02:23 PM) |
| These are supposed to be ATE calipers are they not? The picture shows something similar to our front calipers, that is, no parking brake. As a front replacement that is a step backward from the 42mm pistons. If they have a rear caliper with integral parking brake (ala 914) then that would be interesting. But what would the piston size be. More info needed, and some good pictures would be nice. |
The ones on the site are Beetle calipers, and they are ATE calipers. I believe this guy is making new calipers not yet shown on the site, and there's no knowing if they're ATE or not. My mistake on the 40mm thing. For some reason, I was thinking the stock /4 fronts were 38mm, when they're 42mm. The stock rears are 36mm, and something bigger would be a plus.
Of course, so many people like the 19mm MC "upgrade" even with stock front calipers that going to a 40mm front with a 17mm MC would still give you a shorter/firmer pedal, but not as much as putting a 19mm MC in with 42mm calipers.
Posted by: Rick_Eberle Nov 18 2005, 08:08 PM
From what he told me, they are going to be a direct replacement, in alloy, of the stock calipers.
They are still a few months away, so not on the website yet. I'll try to get more detail next week.
Posted by: davep Nov 18 2005, 09:09 PM
Stock front /4 is 42mm, stock front /6 is 48mm.
Stock rear /4 is 33mm, stock rear /6 is 38mm.
Stock M cyl /4 is 17mm, stock M cyl /6 is 19mm.
FWIW the 411 (donor of the 914/4 front calipers) also used a 19mm M cyl, and the 911S (with the same piston sizes as the 914/6) used a 20mm M cyl.
As for alloy, I take it you mean aluminum, although strictly speaking an alloy is any mixture of metals.
Due to the complexity of the 914/4 or 914/6 rear calipers I cannot imagine that they would be cheap. Certainly much more expensive than the fronts. Please keep me posted though. I wonder if they need a Canadian distributor?
Posted by: Eric_Shea Nov 18 2005, 10:10 PM
After reading through the thread. I'm excited about the new caliper.
I can only imagine (because of the complexity of the piston parking brake mechanism, rebuild kits etc.) that these will be stock replacements that use the stock pistons and internals. I'm also guessing it's the 33mm pistons not the 38mm 914-6 because those are unobtainable like the calipers. Way too small of a market to build a special batch with all new parts.
Have them machine some new inner adjuster gears while they're at it!
So... an aluminum body? Cool. 914 rears are about 8lbs. each. I'm guessing you could save about 3lbs. per side.
They "could" be made to fit a 911 rotor. If they're still in the design phase that would be my suggestion.
Posted by: r_towle Jan 6 2006, 12:50 PM
any updates on this?
Posted by: Brett W Jan 6 2006, 01:34 PM
If this company is going to copy the stock caliper, only out of aluminum, you will have problems. Aluminum calipers have lower stiffness than a stock cast caliper. You will need more material in the aluminum caliper than you will with a steel caliper.
Look at how the materials are laid out in some of the really nice Aluminum multipiston calipers. One of the problems with the stock setup is not the calipers but the rotors. Lack of mass to absorb and dissipate the heat is the real root of the problem.
Posted by: greg.treadway Jan 9 2006, 08:38 AM
I will be carrying these calipers. They will be here in the next couple of weeks. As for the wheels, GT Performance is carrying them also. I'll know more about the calipers when they arrive, but the wheels are really great.
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Posted by: tat2dphreak Jan 9 2006, 08:47 AM
| QUOTE (greg.treadway @ Jan 9 2006, 09:38 AM) |
| I will be carrying these calipers. They will be here in the next couple of weeks. As for the wheels, GT Performance is carrying them also. I'll know more about the calipers when they arrive, but the wheels are really great. |
not a bad price on the wheels...
how much do they weigh, compared to real 4-lug fuchs?
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jan 9 2006, 03:46 PM
I'm going out on a limb here to say: The wheels *probably* have the BUG OFFSET and wont fit under our cars with any tire larger than a 195 without rubbing. Just a guess on my part. I hope they release some new wheels. That would be cool.
B
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jan 9 2006, 04:29 PM
| QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Jan 9 2006, 04:46 PM) |
| I'm going out on a limb here to say: The wheels *probably* have the BUG OFFSET and wont fit under our cars with any tire larger than a 195 without rubbing. Just a guess on my part. I hope they release some new wheels. That would be cool. B |
interesting, the ad states 206/60s? but that doesn't sound right...
http://gtautoperformance.com/porsche914shop/product_info.php?cPath=33_45&products_id=307
Posted by: Rick_Eberle Jan 9 2006, 04:46 PM
| QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Jan 10 2006, 07:46 AM) |
| I'm going out on a limb here to say: The wheels *probably* have the BUG OFFSET and wont fit under our cars with any tire larger than a 195 without rubbing. Just a guess on my part. I hope they release some new wheels. That would be cool. B |
Here in Aus, they're availabe in the Porsche offset (ET36, same as the 15x6 five-lug fuchs) OR VW offset (ET20, same as Rivs, etc.)
I just spoke to Richard a few minutes ago, and the calipers are close, but not available yet. He's still waiting on the sample run. They are gearing up to do a run of 1000 pairs.
They will be a direct replacement for the early 914 calipers, front and rear.
The piston sizes will be standard, with optional larger pistons in the range of 48mm front, and 38-40mm rear. (The 914/6 is 38mm, right???)
They can be split and spaced for vented discs.
They're going on my car!
Posted by: Brad Roberts Jan 9 2006, 04:47 PM
Soo.. did Treadway split from AA and start his own 914 parts place? or did AA get smart and decide to drop the 914 parts sales from under the AA banner?
B
Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 9 2006, 04:48 PM
| QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Jan 9 2006, 03:47 PM) |
| Soo.. did Treadway split from AA and start his own 914 parts place? or did AA get smart and decide to drop the 914 parts sales from under the AA banner? B |
Posted by: r_towle Jan 9 2006, 04:48 PM
| QUOTE (greg.treadway @ Jan 9 2006, 09:38 AM) |
| I will be carrying these calipers. They will be here in the next couple of weeks. As for the wheels, GT Performance is carrying them also. I'll know more about the calipers when they arrive, but the wheels are really great. |
Greg,
Show a pic if you have some wheels mounted on a 914 please...
Rich
Posted by: greg.treadway Jan 9 2006, 07:29 PM
1. I'll see if I can get a weight on the wheel for comparison; they look awesome. I am working on a couple of other wheel options as well. Hopefully everyone will visit GT Performance to get a set.
2. The calipers are coming, but no exact ETA yet.
To address the AA comment, I do not have any affiliation with Automobile Atlanta aside from having worked there in the past. GT Performance is a stand alone company and is not associated with Automobile Atlanta in any way. Both companies sell 914 parts and that is where the connection stops.
I'll be at the WCC this year and will be happy to recount, over a couple of beers, how I came to leave AA for anyone that is curious.
To end on a positive note, let me say thank you to all the club members that have been so supportive during the opening of GT Performance.
Posted by: Jeroen Jan 9 2006, 07:38 PM
| QUOTE (greg.treadway @ Jan 10 2006, 02:29 AM) |
| To address the AA comment, I do not have any affiliation with Automobile Atlanta aside from having worked there in the past. GT Performance is a stand alone company and is not associated with Automobile Atlanta in any way. Both companies sell 914 parts and that is where the connection stops. |
Greg, I was glad to learn for a friend here in the Netherlands that he could return his parts without any of the "dreaded AA isues"
A big thumbs up and good luck with your new business!
Posted by: greg.treadway Jan 9 2006, 07:38 PM
What is everyone's take on these wheels? Should I offer them? Available in 15x5 and 15x6. Let me know.
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Posted by: Andyrew Jan 9 2006, 07:40 PM
Greg, thats good news to people like me.
I'll be giving you a test buy of parts sometime this year.
Hopefully GT performance can become a good company
Give us a pic of the wheels on a 914!
Andrew
As for the wheels pictured. They seem out of date for the current 914 crowd. With Revolution wheels being 17in and having great styling, and these new wheels also looking nice, I doubt you will have many people wanting 15in rims new.
Posted by: Andyrew Jan 9 2006, 07:43 PM
Just found this 
Not bad.. Not bad..
Posted by: greg.treadway Jan 9 2006, 07:47 PM
My thought too. I'd rather stay a little on the edge than offer something that is outdated. Having said that, I don't want to only offer my taste. I compare it to the guys that paint their Fuchs blue or red. I would never think of doing that, but when I see it done, I think some of those combinations are the most cutting edge.
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Posted by: StratPlayer Jan 9 2006, 07:48 PM
Greg, if your going to be selling the calipers are you also going to be handling the wheels also?
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Posted by: Rick_Eberle Jan 9 2006, 08:09 PM
I posted this in another thread, but here it is again...
Posted by: Rick_Eberle Jan 9 2006, 08:10 PM
oops...
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Posted by: Rick_Eberle Jan 9 2006, 08:11 PM
another...
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Posted by: dvkk Feb 7 2006, 02:54 AM
| QUOTE (greg.treadway @ Jan 9 2006, 06:38 AM) |
| I will be carrying these calipers. They will be here in the next couple of weeks. I'll know more about the calipers when they arrive. |
Any updates on the Al calipers?
Posted by: redshift Feb 7 2006, 03:22 AM
First off, good luck! Hope you make a million bucks! (better start with 2 million )
Those wheels... are U glee.
Those calipers are beautiful.
M
Posted by: greg.treadway Feb 7 2006, 01:31 PM
Yes, I will be carrying the wheels and the calipers. They should be here shortly. Thanks for the support!!
Posted by: Mueller Feb 7 2006, 01:38 PM
| QUOTE (redshift @ Feb 7 2006, 02:22 AM) |
| Those calipers are beautiful. M |
the calipers look like steel to me
Greg, what you need to do with those wheels is mount a few different sized tires on a bone stock 914 (possibly lowered a tad) and list the recommened tire size on your site so there is no guessing or pissed off buyers thinking they can run a wider tire than they really can on a stock car.....
Posted by: tat2dphreak Feb 7 2006, 01:43 PM
I love the wheels... when will more info be available? weight? offset? etc...
Posted by: brokenmoped Mar 13 2006, 06:26 PM
| QUOTE |
| I will be carrying these calipers. They will be here in the next couple of weeks. I'll know more about the calipers when they arrive. |
Any update on these calipers? Looking to buy a set...
-Corey
Posted by: Brando Mar 13 2006, 07:10 PM
| QUOTE (brokenmoped @ Mar 13 2006, 04:26 PM) | ||
Any update on these calipers? Looking to buy a set... -Corey |
Roger that! With much larger pucks in the set I want...
Posted by: brokenmoped Mar 14 2006, 12:16 AM
Posted by: greg.treadway Mar 14 2006, 10:20 AM
The tooling is complete. I have not figured out what the demand will be so I don't know how many will be in the first offering.
Posted by: rdauenhauer Mar 14 2006, 10:22 AM
Greg on just the rears in the /6 pad sizing Im betting the demand would be HUGE!
Posted by: Eric_Shea Mar 14 2006, 10:43 AM
| QUOTE |
| I just got off the phone with a guy here in Australia who is preparing a run of alloy calipers for the 914. Apparrently these are a direct replacement, including handbrake. |
What's the piston size?
What's the pad size?
Do they include the handbrake as the first post mentions?
Are they an 'aluminum' alloy?
How much do they weigh?
All points to consider when choosing a brake 'system' and choosing to spend buckage on an 'alloy' caliper. Alloy S-Calipers will save you about 3 lbs. per corner. I would imagine a smaller 914 rear caliper would be less...
How much are these? They could be a really 'big deal' if they exist.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 14 2006, 12:26 PM
yeah! what erica shea said! ^^
Posted by: brokenmoped Mar 15 2006, 01:07 AM
| QUOTE |
| What's the piston size? What's the pad size? Do they include the handbrake as the first post mentions? Are they an 'aluminum' alloy? How much do they weigh? |
Interested parties want to know...
Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2006, 01:59 AM
I would go for a set of rear 6's... as long as they are two piece, and bla bla bla...
Need more caliper back there..
Post some specs!!!
Posted by: brokenmoped Jul 6 2006, 04:25 PM
Will these ever be available?!
Posted by: maddeye Jul 6 2006, 04:43 PM
Will these ever be available?!
where were you there was a group buy last week every set was sold
they were going to do another run, but the Chinese bought all of the worlds aluminum
Posted by: brokenmoped Jul 6 2006, 05:10 PM
LIES!
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jul 6 2006, 07:01 PM
I got mine... you missed out. 
Posted by: brokenmoped Jul 6 2006, 09:05 PM
Are you serious? When the heck did this happen?! And why wasn't I informed? Oh well...so when are they available again?
Posted by: lapuwali Jul 6 2006, 09:29 PM
Eric is serious about once a year, for about 5 seconds. You missed that, too.
Posted by: SGB Jul 6 2006, 10:18 PM
Hey be fair!
I'm calling Greg to order my radiator today!
Posted by: greg.treadway Jul 7 2006, 03:12 PM
Thread has not gone un-noticed... I'm trying to get in touch with my contact to see about what happened to them. I had forgotten about them and given up hope. I'll let you guys know when I reach him. So far, nothing though.
Posted by: tat2dphreak Jul 7 2006, 03:52 PM
update on the wheels too?
Posted by: greg.treadway Jul 11 2006, 10:56 AM
I have no update on the calipers. I can't get anyone to pick up the phone or answer an email. I'll let you know when I hear something. Weak!!
As for the wheels. They exist - I sold a couple of sets. I have one single wheel left. When someone answers the phone maybe I can get more of these too.
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