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Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 7 2005, 05:01 PM

Ohhhhhh lordy

Mike G. just told me the new buyer of his numbers (all) correct LE want's the bumpers, etc., painted black, no script and fuchs.

He's got a sizable deposit paid...it's his...and he's going to fuck up a real nice and correct creamsicle LE.

What a waste. wacko.gif

Posted by: MW 914 Dec 7 2005, 05:07 PM

Does he not know the rarity of what he has or does he just not care?

I can see modifying a car like mine to all sorts of stupid lengths but why buy and pay a premium an LE only to make look like something else?? screwy.gif

Posted by: balljoint Dec 7 2005, 05:09 PM

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That's funny (sad). I looked at that car and didn't go for it because "I" don't like the look of the LE Creamsicle, and figured it should go to someone who would love it for what it was.


Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 7 2005, 05:18 PM

It's just had a complete resto and is being put back together.
Totally correct...only had something like 50k on it.

Mike has tried to talk him into a different car...nope he wants that one and he's paying an LE price.
Doesn't care...he wants a white car with black trim.

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Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 7 2005, 05:24 PM

This is it at my show last August...brand new paint.


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Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 7 2005, 05:27 PM

What it could (SHOULD) have been. sad.gif


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Posted by: Aaron Cox Dec 7 2005, 05:29 PM

simple - he can "not sell it" smile.gif

wait for another buyer or just sell it.


i like creamsicles smile.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 7 2005, 05:32 PM

QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Dec 7 2005, 04:18 PM)
nope he wants that one and he's paying an LE price.

who cares if he got money? kick the idiot to the curb ... mad.gif

sell the car to someone who can apprechiate it!
cool_shades.gif Andy

Posted by: i love porsche Dec 7 2005, 06:07 PM

i agree, i wouldnt sell it if someone was going to do that...its really a shame

Posted by: bd1308 Dec 7 2005, 06:09 PM

i'll take that car--i'll even drive up in my 914.

I'll trade him my 914 for that shell....

b

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Dec 7 2005, 06:40 PM

That's not the only LE out there what a color change. Here's a local creamsicle car that was painted dark green a number of years ago. I gave Jeff the vin # & we think it's the highest recorded vin# known.

Really beautiful car with lots of modifications (big type-4 motor). The owner does not attend activities and keeps a low profile with the 914 locals.

Tom


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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 7 2005, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (Thomas J Bliznik @ Dec 7 2005, 05:40 PM)
The owner does not attend activities and keeps a low profile with the 914 locals.

yeah, they're probably after him with pitch-forks ... poke.gif

dry.gif Andy

Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 7 2005, 07:18 PM

Pretty sure Mike sold it before he knew the guys intentions. He did sell it as an LE...he got more than a regular 914/4 is worth...he thought it was a selling feature.

He’s a dealer…he has a contract…doubt there’s much he can do about it now.

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Posted by: Bleyseng Dec 7 2005, 07:32 PM

I prefer the Creamsicle to the BumbleBee as it looks more like the 911 color scheme. Too bad and the buyers an idiot..... chair.gif

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Dec 7 2005, 07:46 PM

Here it is.

Tom


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Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Dec 7 2005, 07:50 PM

Nuther

Tom


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Posted by: Dave_Darling Dec 7 2005, 08:18 PM

Allegedly, there was a Grasshopper that a guy in Texas (I think it was) bought that he immediately had painted all black. He thought the GH color scheme was "ugly", and didn't care about the rarity.

I heard about it something like ten years ago, and it was "way in the past" at that point even.

--DD

Posted by: Stirlingr Dec 7 2005, 08:48 PM

Short sidetrack...my 72 is Willow Green, do y'all consider that code to be worthwile. I was going to change the color, but it is kinda growing on me.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Dec 7 2005, 09:25 PM

QUOTE (Thomas J Bliznik @ Dec 7 2005, 05:50 PM)
Nuther

Tom

ohmy.gif yup that would make it the last. Thats just wrong icon8.gif

Posted by: MattR Dec 7 2005, 09:29 PM

He's just painting bumpers and rockers... those can be sprayed red again. No big deal, in my opinion. Yeah, its sorta a waste, but nothing is long gone. Its not original paint, correct? Then it shouldnt matter.

Posted by: Dead Air Dec 7 2005, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 7 2005, 03:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Dec 7 2005, 04:18 PM)
nope he wants that one and he's paying an LE price.

who cares if he got money? kick the idiot to the curb ... mad.gif

sell the car to someone who can apprechiate it!
cool_shades.gif Andy

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Dude!!
I call bullshit!
I was there, I saw that car, right Mark, remember me? beerchug.gif
Just like Brad or Andy said two days ago about blast media bleeding.
It was all over that car!!
Maybe he wants a driver instead of a show car. Creamscicle is'nt everybody's cup 'o tea! Maybe it's not for resale?
Let the next owner restore it!
Is he paying the "asking price"?
The owner gets to doo what he wants!

Posted by: rick 918-S Dec 7 2005, 09:50 PM

QUOTE (Stirlingr @ Dec 7 2005, 06:48 PM)
Short sidetrack...my 72 is Willow Green, do y'all consider that code to be worthwile. I was going to change the color, but it is kinda growing on me.

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Posted by: dmenche914 Dec 7 2005, 11:43 PM

Jeez, hope no one gives me crap about lowering my car, low profile tires, non period radio, and other mods that have been made to MY property. I just don't think it is right to call the guy an "idiot" cause he wants different colored bumpers, rockers or what ever. Even if the car were to lose some resale "value' by the color change, that don't make a guy an idiot. heck, just driving a car will lower its value from wear and tear. Should we all demand that he not drive this rare car also, under penalty of being deemed an idiot????

I hope he enjoys the car, and has fun, what ever color he wants it.

Now lets see if this new 914 owner will care to join our internet group here after he's been called an idiot over his plans for the car. Give the guy a break.

If anyone is so concerned about this cars originallity, then make a higher offer and buy it from him. Money will probably talk. Its put up or shut up I think.

Posted by: Series9 Dec 7 2005, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (MattR @ Dec 7 2005, 08:29 PM)
He's just painting bumpers and rockers... those can be sprayed red again. No big deal, in my opinion. Yeah, its sorta a waste, but nothing is long gone. Its not original paint, correct? Then it shouldnt matter.

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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 8 2005, 01:31 AM

QUOTE (dmenche914 @ Dec 7 2005, 10:43 PM)
Its put up or shut up I think.

well, if that was true then you better shut up now and put up with me!
however, somehow i don't believe you'll follow your own advice ... biggrin.gif

yes. i called him an idiot. maybe he's not. maybe he's a nice guy. who knows. do you?

i'm sorry, but if you pay top dollar for an all numbers matching Limited Edition Creamsicle only to take it apart, replace half of the things that can be taken off and repaint it a different color, i'm very much inclined to call you names.

there's literally hundreds of 914s out there for less money that no one will ever care about if they're hacked, molested or blown to bits.
why not get one of those, save a bundle in the process and have all the fun you're looking for.

i just don't get it ...
screwy.gif Andy

Posted by: bondo Dec 8 2005, 01:35 AM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 8 2005, 12:31 AM)

there's literally hundreds of 914s out there for less money that no one will ever care about if they're hacked, molested or blown to bits.

Are you sure? What about Clay? chairfall.gif

Posted by: dmenche914 Dec 8 2005, 01:58 AM

Uh, jeez, lets see, I didn't call him names, nor complain about him, that's the shut up part, the put up part is if you want the car kept original, put up the money and do it. i think i followed my own advice to the letter.

So if you disagree with his choice of color or what ever, that's fine. Just don't be calling him names, (that you admitted you can not be sure of), unless your intention is to diss him, and maybe turn off a new 914 owner from this group.

i think it is better to welcome a new member to the group than diss him so much over his choice for the color of his property. If it is so important to anyone that this car be "saved from an idiot" then go buy it and save it yourself, just don't drive it (at risk of being an idiot???) "Saving" this car is not worth dissing a new 914 owner from our group. I guess you missed what I meant by that statement of put up or shut up.

You admit calling him an idiot, then admit that maybe he's not? I rather give any new 914 owner (and prospective 914 club member) the benefit of a doubt before branding him an idiot. He may be brilliant, and can add a lot to our group.

That's all cut him some slack.

Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 8 2005, 07:22 AM


Dave, of course I remember you and your wife.

The car had been blasted a bit, as it did have some surface rust on the greasy side. But the longs, floors and etc. were all original, nothing was welded on the car.

dmenche914 is right...it's his car. Yep, it would be revesable. But the guy wants to trade Mike outright for the rims.
I guess we can only hope for the best.

BTW this will be the 2nd non-correct LE Mike works on....there's also a local bumble bee with black trim and fuchs.

Posted by: Dead Air Dec 8 2005, 07:38 AM

QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Dec 8 2005, 05:22 AM)
Dave, of course I remember you and your wife.

The car had been blasted a bit, as it did have some surface rust on the greasy side. But the longs, floors and etc. were all original, nothing was welded on the car.

dmenche914 is right...it's his car. Yep, it would be revesable. But the guy wants to trade Mike outright for the rims.
I guess we can only hope for the best.

BTW this will be the 2nd non-correct LE Mike works on....there's also a local bumble bee with black trim and fuchs.

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I knew that you would!! biggrin.gif I still think about what a great weekend we had up there!

Oh, BTW, Nan is the girl friend, the wife lives in Syracuse. It's sort of a touchy subject... wink.gif

Posted by: djm914-6 Dec 8 2005, 08:45 AM

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A few years back, I went to a PCA meet at a local restoration garage. There was an original 911R that was getting a bare metal paint. The Story goes that only one 911R left the factory in a color other than white. This car was a paint to match in gold to match the wife's Cadilac.

The new owner painted it... white.


Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 8 2005, 09:07 AM

QUOTE (Dead Air @ Dec 8 2005, 09:38 AM)

Oh, BTW, Nan is the girl friend, the wife lives in Syracuse. It's sort of a touchy subject... wink.gif

DOH!

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Posted by: Richard Casto Dec 8 2005, 09:46 AM

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Dec 7 2005, 10:50 PM)
QUOTE (Stirlingr @ Dec 7 2005, 06:48 PM)
Short sidetrack...my 72 is Willow Green, do y'all consider that code to be worthwile.  I was going to change the color, but it is kinda growing on me.

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Prior to buying my car I had fully intended to repaint it in whatever color I wanted. Most likely it was going to be blue or silver. BUT the orginal color was "Irish Green". Had been repainted a bronze color by a PO.

As much as we all like a nice Signal Orange or Tangerine, I think the Green colors are growing on me. So when mine is repainted, it is going back to Irish Green. wub.gif Willow Green looksnice as well

Posted by: Bleyseng Dec 8 2005, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (Dead Air @ Dec 7 2005, 07:41 PM)
QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 7 2005, 03:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Dec 7 2005, 04:18 PM)
nope he wants that one and he's paying an LE price.

who cares if he got money? kick the idiot to the curb ... mad.gif

sell the car to someone who can apprechiate it!
cool_shades.gif Andy

[QUOTE]
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Dude!!
I call bullshit!
I was there, I saw that car, right Mark, remember me? beerchug.gif
Just like Brad or Andy said two days ago about blast media bleeding.
It was all over that car!!
Maybe he wants a driver instead of a show car. Creamscicle is'nt everybody's cup 'o tea! Maybe it's not for resale?
Let the next owner restore it!
Is he paying the "asking price"?
The owner gets to doo what he wants!

I disagree....this is why most of the LE cars disappeared long ago...assholes didn't like the color scheme. Bumblebee's were turned into all black cars right off and the others had their bumpers etc painted rattlecan black...

I remember that GH too, DD long ago.


Now that 914's have reached collector status it would be nice if the nice LE examples were kept original.

For the run of the mill rustbuckets, do what you want. dead horse.gif




Posted by: davep Dec 8 2005, 11:11 AM

I guess I've calmed down enough to reply now. Owners can do as they please. I do feel that it is a shame however since the car looks great in the original scheme. There are a lot of other cars that I don't care what changes are made to them. I do like the specials to remain original however.

Posted by: Rockaria Dec 8 2005, 11:14 AM

I can't remember where I heard it, or if there is any proof. But someone told me that some rich guy was having his 959 re-bodied to look like a 993 twin turbo?

Anyone else hear of this?


Posted by: Andyrew Dec 8 2005, 11:36 AM

This is one reason I could never buy an LE or any rare car...

I would want to modify it.. Stock cars are no fun...

Andrew

Posted by: Mueller Dec 8 2005, 11:47 AM

okay, so lets say that the buyer does a full on restore...however, he parks the LE outside with a regular lead-acid battery in a rain prone area that lives near a saltwater coastline with no car cover smile.gif

would you be happier???? biggrin.gif screwy.gif

Posted by: Air_Cooled_Nut Dec 8 2005, 03:43 PM

QUOTE (dmenche914 @ Dec 7 2005, 11:58 PM)
...He may be brilliant, and can add a lot to our group...

A brilliant person would actually give a rat's ass about a special edition vehicle...this guy does not.

Yeah, it's his car and he can do as he pleases. Doesn't mean we have to agree with it. It is a pretty public forum and anyone who's spent time here will observe there are many varied opinions that are, indeed, vocalized. My personal opinion? He's an idiot. You can quote me on that. Had he done ANY kind of research he would've found that out and bought a different vehicle if he gave a rat's ass (which he doesn't). He's been informed and insists on his way so if he's not an idiot then he's an asshole (you can append the word "belligerent" if you want). And that means I could care less if he comes here or not. My guess would be that he won't. But it would be interesting to read his "justification" in this illogical act.

And the BS is the line of "you should've bought it if you're so concerned about it" malarky. I've seen that time and again and it's just the ignorant's way of justifying a decision that satisfies themselves and nobody else. Let's see, I have an original Monet painting and I want one billion dollars for it otherwise I'm going to burn it. What? I'm crazy? Burn a priceless masterpiece?...well, if you don't want me to them pay me my money! Oh, you don't have it, well, it's mine and I can do what I want so since nobody will bend to my wishes -- poof! Same logic applies.

Posted by: Dead Air Dec 8 2005, 03:49 PM

Whoa! ohmy.gif

It's just paint, if he leaves the saws all and fiberglass fenders in their boxes It's still an LE !

Let the next owner restore it.

Posted by: dmenche914 Dec 8 2005, 04:58 PM

Ok asshole, burn the goddamn painting, if it belongs to you, I could care less about what you do with your stuff. I doubt the guy with the new car will ever join this group after all this stuff about him being an idiot, and asshole for his color choice. How petty can you be? Unless you plan on owning his car, be happy witha photo of it, you can photoshop it to the way you like. Thus you have memory of a perfect LE, that way if you become man enought to ever put your money where your mouth is, you will have a photo to use as a guide in re-restoring this ultra rare car the way you want. By the way, this guy gave more than anyones elses rats ass about the LE, he ponied up the dought to buy it. Maybe he knows damn well what he has, and he don't give a damn about your tastes (which for some reason I suspect only apply to others, I assume your car is not 100% original, which is a safe assumption if you have driven the car. Got NOS tires on your car? how about a factory battery? Damn, dont have that, you must be not too brilliant! Better not drive it either, will reduce resale value.

Posted by: bd1308 Dec 8 2005, 06:14 PM

what does caring about a car have anything to do with buying it?

where's that firefox plugin?

Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 8 2005, 06:25 PM

I say we bite our tongues as I can't talk, my car could be made back to a nice original '74 1.8. It would be easy to get it back to CW status.
It 's a signal orange colour change with white trunks. I'm thinking of painting it (minor stuff) BUT it stays orange.
Maybe not a LE, but if anyone told me it has to be white, I’d tell them to stuff it. And the trunks stay white!


It's his car and he obviously was willing to pay the extra money for a nice one. I might not like it, but I think he has every right to have the car he wants.

No use in getting ones panties in a bunch.

Posted by: rick 918-S Dec 8 2005, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Dec 8 2005, 04:25 PM)


No use in getting ones panties in a bunch.

I've heard bunched panties can be quite enjoyable. Specially during a nice bicycle ride...... ohmy.gif

Posted by: olav Dec 8 2005, 06:39 PM

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Posted by: sjhowitson Dec 8 2005, 06:40 PM

can't you just feel the love wub.gif wub.gif

Posted by: Bleyseng Dec 8 2005, 06:44 PM

Feel the love? Nope.

My opinion is the car should be kept in its LE colors and the guys a moron. alfred.gif

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Its kinda stupid like the guy who searched all over for one of the 4 banger sporto cars and cut it up into a trike. All so he could have a semi auto trike....freakin idiot!

Posted by: Series9 Dec 8 2005, 07:00 PM

I will never understand the hype over LEs.

It's a 914 with sway bars and a center console. Lots of 914s have sway bars and center consoles.

So you paint the rockers and bumpers in a high contrast color and it's special? huh.gif

"But they made half as many LEs as they did /6s"........ What a load of crap. It's a well-optioned /4, nothing more. Who cares.



Some of you guys are a marketing man's wet dream.

I have a bunch of original bolts from the RS. I should sell them as super rare "RS only" bolts on eBay....

Posted by: Lou W Dec 8 2005, 07:35 PM

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914RS Posted on Dec 8 2005, 06:00 PM
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I will never understand the hype over LEs.

It's a 914 with sway bars and a center console. Lots of 914s have sway bars and center consoles.

So you paint the rockers and bumpers in a high contrast color and it's special?  

"But they made half as many LEs as they did /6s"........ What a load of crap. It's a well-optioned /4, nothing more. Who cares.



Some of you guys are a marketing man's wet dream.

I have a bunch of original bolts from the RS. I should sell them as super rare "RS only" bolts on eBay....  


agree.gif It's his car, let him do what he wants to it. Lets all welcome him to the club. Now lets talk about a real shame, how about the condition of #4? wacko.gif


Posted by: blabla914 Dec 8 2005, 07:35 PM

What he said......

Joe, I'll do you one better and paint the nastly old valence panels I was going to throw in the trash red and put them on ebay as "Orignal LE valence panels". But I suppose my ruse would quickly be exposed as everyone knows how to spot LE valence panels........

Kelly

Posted by: J P Stein Dec 8 2005, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (gregrobbins @ Dec 8 2005, 07:37 PM)

My certificate of authenticity says it was one of the "Limited CanAm Package." Those like me who appreciate history, remember the CamAm series and the mighty Porsche 917s. Well the fact that Porsche intended to honor a select number of 914s as special tells me that the LE are unique and worth preserving.

That's why they painted them Sonoco Blue & Yellow, eh?
I can see the connection.....duh, who needs a marketing guy for that? Nuthing like those bogus "Indy Pace Car" Camero, Firebirds, Buicks, Vettes....all those are worth milluns these days. I'm fer it.

Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 8 2005, 10:16 PM

Yep, let the new owner do whatever he wants...
If the seller wanted it to be a creamsicle he would have kept it, restored it and enjoyed it.
No one will ever own my 914 but me!
Never understood the restore and sell philosophy, but to each his own.

Posted by: lapuwali Dec 8 2005, 10:20 PM

QUOTE (gregrobbins @ Dec 8 2005, 07:37 PM)
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I will never understand the hype over LEs.

It's a 914 with sway bars and a center console. Lots of 914s have sway bars and center consoles.

So you paint the rockers and bumpers in a high contrast color and it's special?  

"But they made half as many LEs as they did /6s"........ What a load of crap. It's a well-optioned /4, nothing more. Who cares.



Why is it that original 194-6s sell for more than cars converted from a four to a six. Their unique. Same with LEs. For some people they are special, interesting, and have a unique history. For others, they are just another 914.

Go back and read the history of the Limited Edition 914. My certificate of authenticity says it was one of the "Limited CanAm Package." Those like me who appreciate history, remember the CamAm series and the mighty Porsche 917s. Well the fact that Porsche intended to honor a select number of 914s as special tells me that the LE are unique and worth preserving.

You don't think their special, then check this out: http://members.rennlist.com/914_canam/. I don't see this kind of effort being put forward to document any other 914s, sixes included. Also check the sale prices. If they are just hype, why are people spending big bucks to buy them? Could it be they are collectable? Special?

Grrr. I shouldn't do this....

They're NOT "unique"! Unique means there's only ONE of something! Uni = one.

One of the most irritating misuses of the language I know...like "very" unique. How can you say "it's very one of something"? It is or it isn't. No qualifier allowed.

ok, I'm done now...

I'm with Joe on the LE thing. It's a mildly warmed over /4. It's VASTLY easier to turn a plain /4 in to an LE look-alike than it is to turn a /4 into a /6. I don't pretend to understand why a real /6 gets more money than a nice conversion, either. People are willing to pay stupid money for a serial number. But, this is true all over the car world. I at least have some respect for limited editions that really are different than the, uh, less limited editions, besides just paint and a few other cosmetic options. A /6 really is different from a /4, in many ways besides just the engine.


Posted by: Series9 Dec 9 2005, 01:05 AM

QUOTE (gregrobbins @ Dec 8 2005, 08:37 PM)
Those like me who appreciate history, remember the CamAm series and the mighty Porsche 917s. Well the fact that Porsche intended to honor a select number of 914s as special tells me that the LE are unique and worth preserving.

But that's the thing. There's REAL history (like GTs that have race log books) and there's FABRICATED history (like LEs that simply have colored bumpers and rockers).

It's not that Porsche 'honored' these cars as much as it was Porsche trying to bolster sales in the second half of the production run.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no definitive list of LE serial numbers.(?)

Regardless, LEs were a marketing ploy, nothing more. There's not a SINGLE part on an LE that's special.

Posted by: Air_Cooled_Nut Dec 9 2005, 01:22 AM

QUOTE (dmenche914 @ Dec 8 2005, 02:58 PM)
Ok asshole, burn the goddamn painting, if it belongs to you, I could care less about what you do with your stuff. I doubt the guy with the new car will ever join this group after all this stuff about him being an idiot, and asshole for his color choice. How petty can you be? Unless you plan on owning his car, be happy witha photo of it, you can photoshop it to the way you like. Thus you have memory of a perfect LE, that way if you become man enought to ever put your money where your mouth is, you will have a photo to use as a guide in re-restoring this ultra rare car the way you want. By the way, this guy gave more than anyones elses rats ass about the LE, he ponied up the dought to buy it. Maybe he knows damn well what he has, and he don't give a damn about your tastes (which for some reason I suspect only apply to others, I assume your car is not 100% original, which is a safe assumption if you have driven the car. Got NOS tires on your car? how about a factory battery? Damn, dont have that, you must be not too brilliant! Better not drive it either, will reduce resale value.

finger.gif I guess that's what I get for trying to explain something to a wall headbang.gif SomeTHING that has no clue about logic nor following an example. For the sake of mankind I sure hope you haven't reproduced yet...it's bad enough you've been given a drivers license, you idiot.

Posted by: Series9 Dec 9 2005, 01:42 AM

QUOTE (914RS @ Dec 9 2005, 12:05 AM)
There's not a SINGLE part on an LE that's special.

I'll correct myself. I forgot about the front valence.

A front valence, with original 914.xx..... part numbers would be worth something.

That's it, though.

Posted by: brer Dec 9 2005, 02:04 AM

jeeeeez, take it easy.


its just a 914.


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Posted by: bd1308 Dec 9 2005, 02:19 AM

uhoh....here we go.

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Posted by: McMark Dec 9 2005, 02:32 AM

Nothing is special, art is just colors on paper, it's all the same. I for one choose to accept the arbitrary values put on things. LE's are more value because most people instinctively want to differentiate themselves from everyone else. LE's are different the other 914s because Porsche made them different. People are willing to pay for that individuality, call it stupid, don't accept it, but society and the market make it truth. LE's have value. If someone wants to throw away the resale value on their car, that's their choice. But most people strive to increase their resale value, not immediately diminish it.

So now you have my perspective on things. cool.gif

Posted by: brer Dec 9 2005, 02:56 AM

art is not just colors put on paper my friend.
but thats a different subject.

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Posted by: McMark Dec 9 2005, 03:11 AM

EXACTLY! laugh.gif

Things have value beyond their base components.

Posted by: brer Dec 9 2005, 03:58 AM

only in motion. wink.gif

Posted by: blabla914 Dec 9 2005, 05:59 AM

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Nothing is special, art is just colors on paper, it's all the same. I for one choose to accept the arbitrary values put on things. LE's are more value because most people instinctively want to differentiate themselves from everyone else. LE's are different the other 914s because Porsche made them different. People are willing to pay for that individuality, call it stupid, don't accept it, but society and the market make it truth. LE's have value. If someone wants to throw away the resale value on their car, that's their choice. But most people strive to increase their resale value, not immediately diminish it.


Exactly. Which is why what this guy is doing is SMART. Look, he's only changing wheels, rockers, bumpers, and leaving off the stickers, right? So he's going to pay a premium for a white 914 with black trim. Then he's going to drive it occasionally and enjoy it for 5 or 10 years. After that he can sell it to somebody "who's just GOTTA have that LE history" for a whole lot more money than he'd get for a very nice white 914. Maybe he'll even restore the colors before he sells it. It'll all depend on how much money he wants to make.

I don't see how what he's doing is all that much differerent from Davep's bumble bee with yellow RFX's and a different nose on it. It's all bolt on stuff. By the way Dave, maybe I'm just a sucker for black and yellow, but I really dig your car. Especially the yellow RFX's.

Finally, I can't agree more with Joe. Original sixes are physically different. Just like fake art is never as good as the original. You've gotta be so careful about the quality of the work on a converted car. Original sixes also have parts on them you don't find on most conversions, like the hand throttle, which I could really use.

Kelly

Posted by: Dead Air Dec 9 2005, 06:18 AM

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Posted by: Bleyseng Dec 9 2005, 09:20 AM

They are all just "different" models.....4's,6's, LE's, and the rest of the special cars. I don't get too excited about a six unless its in original condition, if it's been modied its the same as a 4 to 6 conversion to me.

Posted by: dmenche914 Dec 9 2005, 04:16 PM

An idoit would burn a menot as would he if he decied to arson his car.

What we have here is a menot repaint on original canvas (the "special VIN") and the new owner is simply re-framing.

If you really cared about LE cars so much, and can't afford one, why don't you welcome him to the club (contact via the seller) and all the LE purists could complement him on the nice colors and suggest he might keep it as an "original repaint" which in it self is an idiototic concept.

Welcome him to the club even if he does his thing, and help him learn the ways so that this "rare LE "original repaint"" whose only claim to fame now can be the canvas (ie body has the right VIN), does not rot in to the earth do to lack of knowledge on the quirky care needs of these 914's One day if kept up, the canvas will pass to a new owner, and it can be re-framed. he ain't burning it.

Suggest admins delete this dumb thread, so as not to offend the new owner, and send a "welcome new owner" email or letter, telling him about the 914 club.

that's a no brainer,

Now go forth and contact him and complement the "origianl repaint" LE colors before he changes it.

Posted by: rdauenhauer Dec 9 2005, 07:23 PM

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Posted by: olav Dec 9 2005, 08:54 PM

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Posted by: Mr.C Dec 9 2005, 09:18 PM

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Posted by: scotty b Dec 9 2005, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (dmenche914 @ Dec 9 2005, 02:16 PM)
An idoit would burn a menot as would he if he decied to arson his car.


unsure.gif Not trying to stir anything up here but whats an idoit and a menot?? poke.gif poke.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: brer Dec 9 2005, 11:00 PM

ya know, fredick f&@in cho- pan.

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