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Posted by: DrMike Jan 8 2006, 02:26 PM

Hello! I'm a newbie, but have been reading the board for months. I purchased a beautifully restored 914-6 about 4 months ago. Gorgeous car, fantastic drive (needs 2nd gear syncho). 2 weeks ago, my youngest son was home from college when a woman pulled out in front of him. In avoiding her and child, he got to experience snap oversteer. He is Bondurant trained. The result is in the pictures below. I would like to save the car '71-6 w/ m471. I have no restoration skills. I need advice an two points. First, is it reasonable to consider fixing it? Cost will have some bearing. Second, if yes, then any experience/recs near Nashville?

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Posted by: bd1308 Jan 8 2006, 02:30 PM

9149686 (IIRC) aka perry Kiehl has a shop in west TN....

I believe. I have his card in the dorm room.

b

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 8 2006, 02:33 PM

E-mail at: a914man@netease.net

Or call 731 847-9146 and leave a message.

Perry Kiehl
914 Network

Irish Green

Fix it

Posted by: Rand Jan 8 2006, 02:38 PM

Dang, sorry man. It hurts to look at the photos. Good luck.

Posted by: DrMike Jan 8 2006, 02:57 PM

Thanks, I'll e-mail Perry.

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jan 8 2006, 03:00 PM

DrMike,

First I want to say, I am so sorry & glad everyone is ok. It's only a piece of metal, but what a beautiful 914 it was. Having said all that it hurts my eyes to look at those pictures. Everytime a rare one bites the dust it really hurts. Suggest you take time to evaluate all options. Take it to a reliable shop for a $$ estimate. You may want to sell (as is) to someone with the skills to repair. I would hate to see it sold for it's parts. The car is too valuable. Feel free to get lots of help from this group.

Tom
BTW
I know where there is a local (original-yellow) 1971-6 that can be restored into a M-471. It can be purchased for around $10K (it has a few rust issues). If I remember correctly M-471 packages has to be on a 1971 (not 1970).

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jan 8 2006, 03:03 PM

In addition to Perry, there is also Don Ramsay at Air Cooled Classics in Knoxville if that is convenient.

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 8 2006, 03:09 PM

outsch!

the good news, i have seen worse. you'll need to find a shop with a celette bench to straighten the chassis out, then repair the crunched sheetmetal ...

it can be done and IMHO you *should* repair this car.
914/6 are rare enough as is and if this is indeed a factory optioned m471 car ...

Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 8 2006, 03:14 PM

here's a thread of how Udo Fry's factory GT was repaired after a crash at the Nürburgring ...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=24954

Andy

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jan 8 2006, 03:23 PM

Good advise from Bowlsby & Sir Andy.

I second the vote on Don Ramsay @ Air-cooled-classics in Knoxville. He knows his 914-6er stuff. I would get his $$ estimate.

DrMike if you need help determining the car's value for insurance purposes let us help. I would think insurance money will be a biggie as long as you document the true value of the car. As Andy said hopefully it's a real 914-6 M-471 car.

Tom

Posted by: johnmhudson111 Jan 8 2006, 05:26 PM

Have it taken to Stephen's Auto Paint and Body, my dad used him for all his work on his 911s when we lived in Nashville. As I remember he specialized in highline European makes.

Stephen's Auto Paint & Body Inc
715 MAIN ST
Nashville, TN 37206

(615) 256-5223

Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 8 2006, 05:54 PM

front bumper looks good...
WTF did he hit a guardrail?
Save it, it will be worth every penny.

Posted by: Gint Jan 8 2006, 06:32 PM

That's a very nice car. And it can be fixed. It should be fixed. Expecially if it's a factory M471.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 8 2006, 06:38 PM

QUOTE (Gint @ Jan 8 2006, 04:32 PM)
That's a very nice car. And it can be fixed. It should be fixed. Expecially if it's a factory M471.

Be sure who ever repairs the car has a Cellette Dedicated Bench for the chassis. They can rent the fixtures to re-set the chassis the way the factory reccomends the car be repaired. There is a shop ( Yeamans) in the Palo Alto area? (Scott Yeaman?) that owns a set of fixtures. So If you can find a Shop in TN that has a Cellette Yeaman's may be able to assist.

Posted by: jim912928 Jan 8 2006, 06:47 PM

gorgeous car...doesn't look bad enough to total/part...get that one fixed!

Posted by: trekkor Jan 8 2006, 06:54 PM

First, welcome.
Sorry to see this before you.

Any insurance help in this one?

KT

Posted by: black73 Jan 8 2006, 07:18 PM

I wish I could help. Perry is the only 914 guy I know of in the area. Good Luck!

Posted by: johnmhudson111 Jan 8 2006, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (black73 @ Jan 8 2006, 08:18 PM)
I wish I could help. Perry is the only 914 guy I know of in the area. Good Luck!

Also you might want to call David Bloodworth @ Bloodworth Motorsports and see who he recomends. He is a pretty nice guy. Here is his contact info:

Bloodworth Motorsports
510 27th Ave N
Nashville, TN 37209

(615) 321-3337

Other than that look up the current PCA (Musikstadt) region officers and give them a call too.

Posted by: boxstr Jan 8 2006, 08:08 PM

Welcome to the club. Very sorry to see that extremely beautiful car damaged. I liove that green with flares.
Good luck.
CCLINTEARSINMYBEERS

Posted by: robby750 Jan 8 2006, 08:17 PM

I can fix it!! My Dad is a TV repairman and has an AWSOME set of tools!!

Posted by: DrMike Jan 9 2006, 06:17 AM

Many thanks to everyone. The car went backwards of the road and into a dry creek bed. Every body panel has some damage. I appreciate the advice and recs.
Mike

Posted by: North Bay 914 Jan 9 2006, 10:03 AM

Hello Sir,

I am sorry to see what has happened to one of the most beautiful, and rarest 914-6 cars I have ever seen. I have provided two links here to a shop in Mass, Precision Automotive Restorations , Marc Allin is the owner. I realize that is not that close to you, but this car is worthy of repair. Marc may also have advice on the repair. Best of Luck to you in whatever you decide with your 914-6.

http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/porsche_9146_gt_lufthansa

http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/other_9146gt_racecars_pete_jenkins

Posted by: DonTraver Jan 9 2006, 10:30 AM

So sorry to see your gourgous car messed up, sort of makes your stomack just lock up looking at it. Makes my damaged door like not much compared to what happened to yours.

When they fixed my door, they used some new procedure called "metal finishing", at least that's what they called it, anyway, they were able to fix the door without using any bondo, took longer and cost a couple of hundred more than the push it out and bondo it. The 6 is black and there are no ripples in the door after the repairs. Who ever did it at the shop I took it too is definetly a artist with metal.

Yes your car is worth saving, the 6's are getting rare and with the factory options you have, even rarer.

Good Luck, Don

Posted by: seanery Jan 9 2006, 06:49 PM

Wow!
Sorry to hear this, but glad the boy is ok.

Fix it, this is a keeper car.
Perry does gud stuff...been in a ride on a very nice car he built!

Posted by: mikey Jan 11 2006, 12:08 AM

The good news...it can and must be restored.

The better news...no serious injury.

Good luck!

(Is that Irish Green?)

Posted by: Root_Werks Jan 11 2006, 10:22 AM

QUOTE (Gint @ Jan 8 2006, 04:32 PM)
That's a very nice car. And it can be fixed. It should be fixed. Expecially if it's a factory M471.

Posted by: kwales Jan 11 2006, 11:30 AM

Stoddard Porsche up in Willoby Ohio usta advertise having a Cellet straightener and had pics of a 914 being straightened.

They usta make a lot of Porsche's 356 sheet metal parts in their shop. Had some deal with the factory and had the blueprints to work from.

Pics usta show 906's and 904's in their showroom as examples of resto work.

Posted by: DrMike Jan 11 2006, 07:53 PM

thanks again for the help. another picture from before the accident

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Posted by: GWN7 Jan 11 2006, 08:10 PM

Your son is going to have to deliver a lot of papers/rake leaves to pay for the repairs........

Nice car BTW and it will be again....all it takes is time & money

Posted by: Eric Taylor Jan 11 2006, 08:12 PM

Wow, this thread makes me so sad, i almost can't open it, Seriously. That has to be one of the sadiest thing I've ever seen, please please fix it. 6's are getting rarer and I've never seen a m471 in my life and it's a beautiful car that I really neeeds to be repaired. Let me know if there is ANYTHING I can do to help.
Eric

Posted by: DrMike Jan 11 2006, 08:27 PM

The current plan is to fix it, if I can. I miss going down to the garage just to look at it. I t was a fantastic drive, so much more connected to the road than current cars.
Mike

Posted by: flesburg Jan 11 2006, 08:37 PM

IF you decide not to rebuild it, buy the wreck from the insurance company, and post the car here.

I for one would be interested, and I'm sure there are about a hundred others that would be as well.

I wrecked one worse than that (a lot worse), and it was repaired. I did a lot of the work, but had the chassis pulled and some structural metal repaced (firewall back) at a shop with a chassis puller.

If you have it pulled, ask them if you can come in and watch on the day they pull it. AMAZING!!!

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jan 11 2006, 08:48 PM

QUOTE (mikey @ Jan 11 2006, 01:08 AM)
The good news...it can and must be restored.

an original 6 is a must retore, if possible, if it's a true m471, it would be a crime to not fix it! gorgeous car...

Posted by: Al Meredith Jan 11 2006, 08:55 PM

Suggest you check with George Hussey at Automobile Atlanta, No telling what kind of parts he may have for that body style, I think he has a couple.

Posted by: JOHNMAN Jan 11 2006, 09:03 PM

Dad, you are so kind.

I totaled my Dad's car (our current track car) WAY WAY worse than that one and it is still my favorite car to drive. Thanks to a man who knew how to properly use his frame straightening equipment.

DrMike,

You can have it fixed properly and it can look for the most part exactly like it did. It definately was and can be again a very beautiful car. Patience will be required as this repair will take a considerable amount of time to complete.

I wish you the best of luck.

Posted by: flesburg Jan 11 2006, 09:15 PM

Thanks for the clearification Johnman.

However, for my final 2c worth, I disagree with Al Meredith tho.

I would keep the car as far away from George as possible, which is to say do not even think about going south east of Nashville...especially toward Atlanta.

Posted by: mikey Jan 11 2006, 09:30 PM

QUOTE
The current plan is to fix it, if I can.

Dr Mike,

I'm finishing up a -6 restoration (see my blog) and will offer any help/advice I can if you end up doing work on it yourself. You'll find loads of supportive folks here.

I'm very glad you've decided to repair this beautiful car!

Mike

Posted by: Porsche Doc Jan 13 2006, 06:24 PM

Hey Mike,
It was nice talken to ya today.
I WISHED it was for better reasons.
It's Damn shame. But you have more to be thankful for.
We can rebuild her. We have the technology!
Maybe add a little zip too.
Let me know if I can help!

Charles Gault's 2.0L 914/6 GT PCA / HSR

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Posted by: Porsche Doc Jul 11 2006, 07:05 PM

Well Guys!
DrMike brought the poor GT to me and we have been fixing it.
It was a real mess Mike gets Kudos for repairing it
It will be done in about a month or so.
We fixed all the damage and have it painted.
We installed GT frame stiffners as mike wants to do some DE's.
We are also installing a 2.7 RS type but only 9.8CR it will put to the groung 220 hp.
It will be a ball on the track as well as the street.
Here is some pics.

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