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Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 18 2006, 08:13 PM

Hey all, Bob aka hotdgr, is driving a car he purchased in Monterey CA to his home in Tampa FL. He stayed with us last night and headed east from Phoenix this morning.

I just got off the phone with him, and he broke down out side Benson Arizona.

Here is his problem. Stock 1.7L with D-jet. Turns the key and no fuel pump sound and the starter does not crank. Bob is a FAA licensed airplane mechanic and says that he went through all the connections, checked the fuses, checked and replace some relays. Right now he is stumped. I told him I would post here and ask for input, or you can call his cell phone directly and talk with him at: 813-610-0056.

Bob is a real nice guy, lets do what we can to help him get back on the road. New Mexico, Texas teeners, and points east, keep up with his travels and hook up with him for eats or offer any assistance he may need.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 08:31 PM

Looks like Benson is East of Tucon. Anyone in the area?

Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 18 2006, 08:36 PM

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 08:47 PM

just talked to Bob. Jeff B. or someone that is good with the wiring please give Bob a call. I think his relay board is failing. He may need to jumper the starter switch and fuel pump.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 08:49 PM

Bob has a hotel and a Dennys. His car is in the local repair garage lot. So he's ok for now. He's not on the side of the road anyway.

Posted by: bd1308 Jan 18 2006, 08:50 PM

tell him to somehow ground the pin on the relay board like this...



there is a group of four wires that power the ECU. well one is the ground to turn the fuel pump on...

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you want to ground the lower left pin to the ground of the car....

this should make the pump run when the key is turned.

b

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 08:53 PM

It's hard to test the connections by yourself. but does the starter switch wiring go through the relay board? I think it does. If that's the case, I think he can jumper past the board in a pinch but he will needto get hooked up with a replacement board along the way. Anyone on his route have parts?

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 08:55 PM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jan 18 2006, 06:50 PM)

tell him to somehow ground the pin on the relay board like this... there is a group of four wires that power the ECU. well one is the ground to turn the fuel pump on... | | | | you want to ground the lower left pin to the ground of the car.... this should make the pump run when the key is turned. b

Ok, but what about the key? engine won't crank either.

Posted by: bd1308 Jan 18 2006, 08:56 PM

well i usually have problems that come in pairs....could his starter be on the way out?

what if he push-starts it?

thats what i had to do for a week or three....

b

Posted by: shaggy Jan 18 2006, 08:59 PM

when my 1.7 is acting weird i just pull the body ground off and put it back on and it magicly fixes it self

i dont know whats wrong but about 80% of the time that fixes it

not my head lights go up and down about 2 months ago they didnt, then i pulled the ground and now the do

but seriously before when they thing wouldnt crank or anthing i did that and then it worked

Posted by: swl Jan 18 2006, 09:00 PM

No fuel pump AND no crank? Thank kinda sounds like the ignition switch - or the power supply to it.

The starter does go through the relay board but it is just passed through. The relay board is just a connector.

Posted by: bd1308 Jan 18 2006, 09:01 PM

i have two ground straps for redundancy...

one on the tranny and one on the engine....

but I guess it wouldnt hurt trying that....what does he have to lose?

maybe the relay is shot?

b

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (swl @ Jan 18 2006, 07:00 PM)

No fuel pump AND no crank? Thank kinda sounds like the ignition switch - or the power supply to it. The starter does go through the relay board but it is just passed through. The relay board is just a connector.

Dash lights, alt & oil, but no crank and no fuel pump.

Posted by: snflupigus Jan 18 2006, 09:04 PM

when i picked my car up north of seattle and drove it here to phoenix... twice at gas stations it decided it wasnt going to start. I was not happy. I push started it both times. Its never happened since and I am pretty sure it was just that the starter was too hot after driving for hours and hours and hours.

now that i think of it, i'm sure he's probably let it cool off enough, jump that connection and try to start it?

Posted by: bd1308 Jan 18 2006, 09:04 PM

isnt there a ignition fuse on the relay board....?

it sounds like a ignition switch deal....

b

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 09:11 PM

If your really good with wiring call 813-610-0056. Maybe you can walk Bob through the short.

Posted by: seanery Jan 18 2006, 09:12 PM

I remember reading a couple years ago about ignition switch failures...maybe he should try to hotwire it

Posted by: snflupigus Jan 18 2006, 09:14 PM

i can be there in 2 hours... i have an entire wiring harness, a relay board that works (but is cracking...) and any tools you could ever need to fix whatever is wrong.....

just left a message for him. I'm up for a road trip. anyone else want to go try and fix it if he calls? I can give it a good 3 hours of tinkering. 4 hours of sleep before work tomorrow = no problem

Posted by: bd1308 Jan 18 2006, 09:16 PM

lets do this....

i'll get him going, snufplugis(sp) can you meet him where you are?

should i call him?

b

Posted by: swl Jan 18 2006, 09:16 PM

how about other switched items - headlight motors? If you have a meter you can check for 12 volts at the coil - it is pretty much a straight run from the ignition switch.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (seanery @ Jan 18 2006, 07:12 PM)

I remember reading a couple years ago about ignition switch failures...maybe he should try to hotwire it

Ya, I told him in a pinch he could run a jumper wire from the coil to the pump but that's not getting him a starter. I'm firing up my old Think Pad. I think I have a wiring diagram I may be able to print and fax to his hotel.

Posted by: r_towle Jan 18 2006, 09:18 PM

I called him.

He has a multimeter...that is a blessing

He is gonna check to make sure he has 12 volts at the coil

He said he has tried switching all the relays and he cant get the fuel pump going, but when he jumpers it he can get it going...so that is that plan for that problem...

Now, the non start issue...
he is looking for the ground strap...
and he will check the yellow wire coming from the ignition switch to see that he has 12 volts in the start position...

If he does not, he has wire with him and will make a jump circuit from that pole on the starter to touch the positive pole on the battery...

So worst case, he has a bad ignition switch and a flaky relay board...
If that is the case, he will jumper the fuel pump, and hotwire the starter and get home..

Rich

Posted by: bd1308 Jan 18 2006, 09:19 PM

if he's getting a oil and gen lights, his -ON- position on the switch works....

well, theres also a contact for lights, etc.....its a chance those could work too or not. I've BTDT...in rainy weather w/o wipers was NOT GOOD.

b

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2006, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 18 2006, 08:02 PM)

QUOTE (swl @ Jan 18 2006, 07:00 PM) No fuel pump AND no crank?  Thank kinda sounds like the ignition switch - or the power supply to it. The starter does go through the relay board but it is just passed through.  The relay board is just a connector. Dash lights, alt & oil, but no crank and no fuel pump.

They could very well be mutually exclusive. Hot start after heat soak (no starter engagement) AND a fuel delivery problem. In fact, the fuel delivery issue could be vapor lock. I wouldn't automatically assume it's the ignition switch. It does happen, but it's not as common as many other problems.

That sucks. BTDT too many times. But he's going to have to go through the steps to troubleshoot the problems. A second body and some light hammer tapping on the starter... Fuel steps listed above would be a good start. Check for actual fuel delivery.

I wish I were close enough to help.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (swl @ Jan 18 2006, 07:16 PM)

how about other switched items - headlight motors? If you have a meter you can check for 12 volts at the coil - it is pretty much a straight run from the ignition switch.

Sounds like the other switched stuff is working. dead starter and fuel pump.

Posted by: bd1308 Jan 18 2006, 09:20 PM

what about push-starting....

just get out of the car, push it real fast, jump in and drop clutch....



b

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2006, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (r_towle @ Jan 18 2006, 08:18 PM)

I called him. He has a multimeter...that is a blessing He is gonna check to make sure he has 12 volts at the coil He said he has tried switching all the relays and he cant get the fuel pump going, but when he jumpers it he can get it going...so that is that plan for that problem... Now, the non start issue... he is looking for the ground strap... and he will check the yellow wire coming from the ignition switch to see that he has 12 volts in the start position... If he does not, he has wire with him and will make a jump circuit from that pole on the starter to touch the positive pole on the battery... So worst case, he has a bad ignition switch and a flaky relay board... If that is the case, he will jumper the fuel pump, and hotwire the starter and get home.. Rich

Nice work Rich.

Posted by: r_towle Jan 18 2006, 09:22 PM

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jan 18 2006, 10:20 PM)

what about push-starting.... just get out of the car, push it real fast, jump in and drop clutch.... b

we talked about his new parking procedures for the rest of the trip...

I told him that if its in good tune, a few feet is all I need to start it up on a hill...

He knew what I meant and will look for the correct parking on the way home...

Rich

Posted by: Gint Jan 18 2006, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (r_towle @ Jan 18 2006, 08:22 PM)

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jan 18 2006, 10:20 PM) what about push-starting.... just get out of the car, push it real fast, jump in and drop clutch.... b we talked about his new parking procedures for the rest of the trip... I told him that if its in good tune, a few feet is all I need to start it up on a hill... He knew what I meant and will look for the correct parking on the way home... Rich

I did exactly that all the way home from NorCal in a 72 1.7. That car ran like a watch (except for the starter- LOL). Worked great.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 09:24 PM

If anyone calls him again get the name of his hotel. I'm working on finding my wire diagrams. I think I can fax him at his hotel.

Posted by: MarkV Jan 18 2006, 09:25 PM

I am less than an hour away from there. If he needs a part I could rob it from my car to get him going. What does he need ???

Posted by: seanery Jan 18 2006, 09:26 PM

I had to "park creatively" for a couple months while driving the 951, nose down

Posted by: Eric Taylor Jan 18 2006, 09:28 PM

I vote for ignition switch first, then relay board and relay failure. If It were me I would rewire the fuel pump to the positive side of the coil and ground it to the battery body ground. That will then bypass everything and get the pump running. For the starter, I would just bump it with a screw driver from underneath to get it going. If you cross all the terminals then the you can test the power to the starter as well as bypas all the relay's and ignition switch crap, just remember to leave the key in the on position when you bump the starter and the car out of gear. That's what I would do if it were me
Eric

Posted by: TROJANMAN Jan 18 2006, 09:29 PM

QUOTE (snflupigus @ Jan 18 2006, 07:14 PM)

i can be there in 2 hours... i have an entire wiring harness, a relay board that works (but is cracking...) and any tools you could ever need to fix whatever is wrong..... just left a message for him. I'm up for a road trip. anyone else want to go try and fix it if he calls? I can give it a good 3 hours of tinkering. 4 hours of sleep before work tomorrow = no problem

this is why this site rocks

Posted by: r_towle Jan 18 2006, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 18 2006, 10:25 PM)

I am less than an hour away from there. If he needs a part I could rob it from my car to get him going. What does he need ???

he may need an early ignition switch..
He may possibly need a relay board...
And some known good relays....
If you go, bring a known good starter also.

Give him a call, he has very few tools, so if you go for the starter and ignition switch, bring all the tools to do the job.
A ground strap would help also...
Some emery cloth to clean all the connections.

Rich

Posted by: r_towle Jan 18 2006, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (Eric Taylor @ Jan 18 2006, 10:28 PM)

I vote for ignition switch first, then relay board and relay failure. If It were me I would rewire the fuel pump to the positive side of the coil and ground it to the battery body ground. That will then bypass everything and get the pump running. For the starter, I would just bump it with a screw driver from underneath to get it going. If you cross all the terminals then the you can test the power to the starter as well as bypas all the relay's and ignition switch crap, just remember to leave the key in the on position when you bump the starter and the car out of gear. That's what I would do if it were me Eric

you must be young...us old guys dont like to lay down to much or we fall asleep.

see, if you run a wire from the terminal on the starter to somewhere near the battery...you only need to get under the car once...get dirty once...

then each time you want to start it, you pop the engine lid and touch the wire to the positive terminal...nice and clean...

I am so lazy that I built a switch for this....I can clip it on and press a button....dont need to be under the car to start it up...



Rich

Posted by: Eric Taylor Jan 18 2006, 09:40 PM

lol, yeah at 19 I guess getting down and dirty just becomes a regular thing .

Cool idea about the extra length of cable for the starter or even better the switch, maybe it will have to go in the tool box with frankenstien wiring for the fuel pump.

Eric

Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 18 2006, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 18 2006, 08:24 PM)

If anyone calls him again get the name of his hotel. I'm working on finding my wire diagrams. I think I can fax him at his hotel.

When I talked to him a couple hours ago, he said the tow truck driver had just dropped him off at the Super 8 motel.

Great job of helping him out. Thanks all!

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 18 2006, 07:25 PM)

I am less than an hour away from there. If he needs a part I could rob it from my car to get him going. What does he need ???

That would be cool! Call him if you think you can help. Find out what motel he's in. I'm trying to find my wiring diagrams. I want to see if I can fax them.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (gregrobbins @ Jan 18 2006, 07:41 PM)

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 18 2006, 08:24 PM) If anyone calls him again get the name of his hotel. I'm working on finding my wire diagrams. I think I can fax him at his hotel. When I talked to him a couple hours ago, he said the tow truck driver had just dropped him off at the Super 8 motel. Great job of helping him out. Thanks all!

Cool!

Posted by: snflupigus Jan 18 2006, 09:43 PM

i discovered on my seattle to phoenix purchase trip that i could start it using reverse! LOL there was no other way.

Correct parking procedures. Funny!

He has not called me back so I either dailed the wrong number and left a message on some strange persons voicemail OR... he's ok enough that he doesnt need my assistance. Guess i'll just keep workin on my own in the garage.

402-659-5882 in case he didnt get my message and someone else talks to him.

Posted by: MarkV Jan 18 2006, 09:46 PM

I just got off the phone with him. He is checked in to a motel. The car made it to the local garage via flat bed. He won't have a chance to try any of the suggestions until the morning. Doesn't know if he has 12v to the coil. He has been able to jump the relay board to get the fuel pump to run. He is going to call me tomorrow if he needs parts.

He pulled off the road to take a break and look at a map and the car wouldn't turn over. I bet it fires right up in the morning.

Benson is a real small town, one or two exits on I-10. Cable TV at at the hotel is down.

Posted by: swl Jan 18 2006, 09:48 PM

A meter is going to be a good thing to have if someone is going to go help him. There are multiple paths through the switch. Ignition is on one, fuel pump (actually the main power relay) is on another which also feeds the coil. If you can check the coil (pull it off the coil to measure) you can help prove or disprove the ignition switch theory. I suspect the switch because it is the only failure point that is common between the solenoid and the fuel pump.

You can also pull off the 12 wire connecter(back right) from the relay board and look for the solenoid 12 volt on pin 6 (right side 3rd from front).

remember to pull off the feed to the primary on the coil (black and red) if you are going to have the switch turned on doing trouble shooting.

Posted by: swl Jan 18 2006, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 18 2006, 07:46 PM)

He has been able to jump the relay board to get the fuel pump to run. .

That is consistent with the switch theory. The power for the fuel pump comes directly from the battery through that 25amp fuse on the relay board. The ignition switch fires the main power relay which provides power to the coil of the fuel pump relay.

Posted by: r_towle Jan 18 2006, 10:02 PM

I am convinced that any aircooled car can get home with a coat hanger, duct tape, 10 feet of wire, a jack knife, and pantyhose...

Rich

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 18 2006, 10:24 PM

Just talked to Bob again. He is going to the library in the morning to use there internet. I told him about Pelicans wiring diagrams. I gave him my contact numbers incase he can't print from the library I can fax him. Sounds like he has a few options.

Posted by: r_towle Jan 18 2006, 10:47 PM

Posted by: markb Jan 18 2006, 11:16 PM

I had exactly the same thing happen. No pump, no starter. It was the ignition switch connections. I hot wired the fuel pump off of the coil, used a screwdriver on the starter, and drove it home. It did it again the same day, and I got it going again by jiggleing(sp) the the ignition switch wires. This is on the Black car, which is a 71 with a 72 ignition switch. The wire jiggleing(sp) may not work with the earlier hard wired switch. HTH.

Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 19 2006, 09:32 AM

Bump

Posted by: joea9146 Jan 19 2006, 10:11 AM

Ignition Switch.... Keep in mind that when you turn the key
and the lights come on the dash does NOT mean the Ignition switch is always good.

The Ignition switch develops a flat or dead spot in the switch.
so as you slowy turn the switch watch the lights on the Dash.
If at any point they go out the Switch is Bad.

Just something to keep in mind as you try to rule the switch out.

Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 19 2006, 10:41 AM

I got a brand new starter with his name on it he gets it here. no switches or relay boards.
Oh wait a minute I just remembered I got a complete harness from Paul URY914 last month.
I'll look to see whats on it.

I am of the opinion that it will start this morning once cooled down.

Posted by: SLITS Jan 19 2006, 10:42 AM

Also, you can have good contact at the ign setting, but at the start position it won't work....specially if the switch is cracked

If he needs a new ign switch (pain in the ass to change).....VW part 311 905 865A

Posted by: r_towle Jan 19 2006, 10:55 AM

So, what is that status?

Anyone talk tohim this morning?

Rich

Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 11:05 AM

I just talked to him. The starter is bad. The solenoid engages but the starter won't crank. I don't have a spare starter. He is checking with the local parts store.

Posted by: SLITS Jan 19 2006, 11:09 AM

If you talk to him...make sure the parts store gives him an SR-17X or Lester #16300...

There is another that they try to supply that won't work...period SR-15X / Lester 16450.

Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 19 2006, 11:16 AM

Most of the FLAPS can search other stores for availability. So search for FLAPS along I-10 eastbound.

Get the guy to give you a push and haul ass to the next stop. 1.7L should get 350 miles to a tank of gas no sweat. That's alot of FLAPS.

I got a starter hear if he can make it. 20 minute swap including jack up the car and cleaning hands when done.

Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 11:20 AM

The local parts store sent one over that doesn't fit. They want $163.00 for it. I called the Auto Zone up the street from my office, they have one in stock for $59.95. So, I guess I am going on a road trip to Benson AZ. Big Daves towing off exit #306.

Posted by: Flat VW Jan 19 2006, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 10:20 AM)

The local parts store sent one over that doesn't fit. They want $163.00 for it. I called the Auto Zone up the street from my office, they have one in stock for $59.95. So, I guess I am going on a road trip to Benson AZ. Big Daves towing off exit #306.

John

Posted by: Sparky Jan 19 2006, 11:48 AM

I'm gonna state the obvious here, though a little late in this case. If your gonna make a trip be prepared. I keep a "road bag" in the front trunk. Though given everything in it, it isnt that large it's just a canvas riggers bag. In it I have a small mulitmeter, a set of 6 thru 23 3/8 sockets 3", 6", and 12" extensions, 3/8 ratchet, long and short phillips and regular screw drivers, electrical tape, 25' of wire, butane soldering iron, solder, crimp on connectors, a quart of oil, a pint of brake fluid, a tire plug kit, a 12v air pump, a roll of paper towel, a can of carb/brake cleaner, various sized allen wrenches, dykes, vice grips, needle nose pliers, small hammer, 10" adjustable wrench, pliers, and a small bottle of windex. I also make sure that I have plenty of spare fuses, bulbs and relays in the car as well. gotten stuck one too many times and learned my lesson the hard way.

My best,
Mike D.

Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 19 2006, 11:57 AM

If you look at the original thread from Bob, we all had an input to what should be in the trunk for a serious road trip. Your list looks remarkably like mine. Great minds huh?

Nobody carries a frigging starter. I can push a teener to bump start. and have had to wire a 12V lead from the + on the battery to the coil to get me home on an old bug.

Not to mention Bob seems to be a good wrench as evidenced by his ability to figure out what is really broke.
I look forward to him arriving in Mississippi.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 19 2006, 12:02 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 09:20 AM)

The local parts store sent one over that doesn't fit. They want $163.00 for it. I called the Auto Zone up the street from my office, they have one in stock for $59.95. So, I guess I am going on a road trip to Benson AZ. Big Daves towing off exit #306.

Posted by: snflupigus Jan 19 2006, 01:19 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 10:20 AM)

The local parts store sent one over that doesn't fit. They want $163.00 for it. I called the Auto Zone up the street from my office, they have one in stock for $59.95. So, I guess I am going on a road trip to Benson AZ. Big Daves towing off exit #306.

That a guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 04:13 PM

I got to the Autozone & the starter they showed in the book looked wrong to me. So, I took their starter & also bought a starter for a 1971 911T. Bingo, the book was wrong the 911T starter fit & works like a champ.

I think the starter they show in the book is for a bug. It has a long shaft at the nose w/ a new bushing wire tied to it.






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Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 04:14 PM

Dig Daves towing.




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Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 04:16 PM

We had lunch the famous Horse Shoe Cafe. Bob hit I-10 toward New Mexico at about 1:30PM.




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Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 19 2006, 04:17 PM

bad ass!

Posted by: Lou W Jan 19 2006, 04:17 PM

Did you guys install the starter? or did Big Dave?

Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 04:21 PM

Unfortunately, William at big Dave's did it. Bob & I watched him raise & lower the car a couple of times trying to get the top bolt. He kept pushing it back in when he tried to thread the nut from the engine bay. Isn't the nut supposed to be on the starter side?

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 19 2006, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 03:21 PM)

Unfortunately, William at big Dave's did it. Bob & I watched him raise & lower the car a couple of times trying to get the top bolt. He kept pushing it back in when he tried to thread the nut from the engine bay. Isn't the nut supposed to be on the starter side?

yes

Posted by: MW 914 Jan 19 2006, 04:27 PM

On the road again.
I just can't wait to get on the road again.
Breakin down and fixin her up with my new friends
I just can't wait to get on the road again.

Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 04:28 PM

I thought so. Bob now has a tail dragger starter on his 1.7. Wings it right over too.

Sure hope he doesn't have any more problems.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 19 2006, 04:36 PM

Posted by: markb Jan 19 2006, 04:49 PM

Posted by: SLITS Jan 19 2006, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 03:13 PM)

I got to the Autozone & the starter they showed in the book looked wrong to me. So, I took their starter & also bought a starter for a 1971 911T. Bingo, the book was wrong the 911T starter fit & works like a champ. I think the starter they show in the book is for a bug. It has a long shaft at the nose w/ a new bushing wire tied to it.

Which is why I posted the numbers so they wouldn't get screwed up....the books are wrong. The one they show in the books is for the Bug, but lists the application as also for the 914 manual transmission. It's been that way for years.

Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (SLITS @ Jan 19 2006, 02:51 PM)

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 03:13 PM) I got to the Autozone & the starter they showed in the book looked wrong to me. So, I took their starter & also bought a starter for a 1971 911T. Bingo, the book was wrong the 911T starter fit & works like a champ. I think the starter they show in the book is for a bug. It has a long shaft at the nose w/ a new bushing wire tied to it. Which is why I posted the numbers so they wouldn't get screwed up....the books are wrong. The one they show in the books is for the Bug, but lists the application as also for the 914 manual transmission. It's been that way for years.

All is well that ends well. I new when I opened the first box that it was a way different starter than my 2.0. I always thought that all 914's take the same starter. I got out to my car w/ the wrong starter before I got the idea to go back in and buy a 911 starter as a back-up. I new as soon as I opened the box that it would fit. The guy a Autozone thought I was nuts.

Posted by: SLITS Jan 19 2006, 05:14 PM

Ok, so you know the difference...SR-17X is listed for an automatic..Lester #16300...0.8 HP essentially...this is the starter supplied with 914s.

The one you settled on is a SR-68X.....Listed for 911s....Lester #16609...essentially the same starter but it's 1.5 HP....will spin a 4 cyl real nice.

Posted by: Mueller Jan 19 2006, 05:15 PM

QUOTE (gregrobbins @ Jan 18 2006, 07:13 PM)

Bob is a FAA licensed airplane mechanic..........

what's that supposed to mean?? I am too (or was, think it's expired) and you've seen some of my crazy car dealings I've done, hahahaha


glad to see him back on the road, way to go guys !!!!

Posted by: Headrage Jan 19 2006, 05:20 PM

Happy Happy!!!

Great non-club effort...

Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (SLITS @ Jan 19 2006, 03:14 PM)

Ok, so you know the difference...SR-17X is listed for an automatic..Lester #16300...0.8 HP essentially...this is the starter supplied with 914s. The one you settled on is a SR-68X.....Listed for 911s....Lester #16609...essentially the same starter but it's 1.5 HP....will spin a 4 cyl real nice.

Autozone uses some kind of proprietary software driven parts program. They told me they didn't have any way to cross reference & make sure it was the right starter. The first starter they gave me was a #16450. The 911T starter they gave me was a #16300. So, maybe he ended up with a 914 starter after all. It's a Duralast with a lifetime warranty & seamed to work fine.

Posted by: AZ914 Jan 19 2006, 05:34 PM

Great job Mark!

Posted by: SLITS Jan 19 2006, 06:14 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 04:29 PM)

QUOTE (SLITS @ Jan 19 2006, 03:14 PM) Ok, so you know the difference...SR-17X is listed for an automatic..Lester #16300...0.8 HP essentially...this is the starter supplied with 914s. The one you settled on is a SR-68X.....Listed for 911s....Lester #16609...essentially the same starter but it's 1.5 HP....will spin a 4 cyl real nice. Autozone uses some kind of proprietary software driven parts program. They told me they didn't have any way to cross reference & make sure it was the right starter. The first starter they gave me was a #16450. The 911T starter they gave me was a #16300. So, maybe he ended up with a 914 starter after all. It's a Duralast with a lifetime warranty & seamed to work fine.

The 16300 was also fitted to 65 - 71 911s - sorry -

The 16450 is the SR-15X and fits VW '67 - '71 All, and '68 - 79 Type 1 & 3

Posted by: Lou W Jan 19 2006, 06:18 PM

Great job guys.

Posted by: gregrobbins Jan 19 2006, 06:41 PM

Mark

Posted by: seanery Jan 19 2006, 06:51 PM

way to fellas!

Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 19 2006, 06:52 PM

Great job Mark, Things like this will come back to you 10 fold.
Well, don't know how many stops he has planned.... Like jumping out any more perfectly good airplanes.

If he gets here by Sunday We can go Autocrossing He would have to keep the hammer down for quite awhile though.

Posted by: MarkV Jan 19 2006, 08:58 PM

QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Jan 19 2006, 04:52 PM)

If he gets here by Sunday We can go Autocrossing He would have to keep the hammer down for quite awhile though.

Joe,

Help Bob fix his radio, it quit working in CA.

Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 19 2006, 09:28 PM

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 06:58 PM)

QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Jan 19 2006, 04:52 PM) If he gets here by Sunday We can go Autocrossing  :driving:   He would have to keep the hammer down for quite awhile though. Joe, Help Bob fix his radio, it quit working in CA.

Radio? Whats dat for?????
I learned every little creak rattle groan hum roar and tick of the yellow car during my 3 day trip across the country.

Let me tell you at 2:30 in the morning in the middle of freaking nowhere. them sounds make ya just a tad bit paranoid.

I think I got a radio from the stripper. Like it is going to do me any good after Tuesday.

Posted by: Sparky Jan 20 2006, 02:16 AM

QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Jan 19 2006, 10:28 PM)

I think I got a radio from the stripper. Like it is going to do me any good after Tuesday.

You got a radio from a stripper?! All I ever got was something that was hard to pronounce that made my winkie drip funny and a lighter wallet .

Mike D.

Posted by: hotdgr Jan 28 2006, 08:19 AM

For anyone still following this thread, I made it back home to Tampa bay safe and sound Monday 1/23 about 4:30 p.m. After changing out a suspect plug wire, adding a vacuum line to the advance side of the diaphragm, swapping out a relay and getting hooked up with some spares, I left Joe Ricard's house for the final leg of the trip with no more significant developments. When I get the chance, I need to determine the source for my rough idle...runs like a champ over 1800 RPMs though.

Many, Many thanks to all of you for your help. You guys ROCK!!!

Posted by: DonTraver Jan 28 2006, 08:39 AM

Cool

Later, Don

Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 28 2006, 09:50 AM

Bob, I suspect you have a vacuum leak around the throttle body. or a clogged passage in the idle adjustment screw. Or your warm up Auxillary air valve is leaking by. As you seen I could not get the idle adjustment screw to keep the idle steady. it just jumped around and hunted like it had a mind of it's own.