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Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 21 2006, 10:06 PM

Ok, so I might consider managing a group buy of these fiberglass bumper tops. I want to know who is interested and how much you would be willing to pay for a set. The previous thread had at least 10-15 people asking about them.

So here is what I need:

1) How many sets you want.
2) Acceptable price point.

I have sent an email to the guy that is selling them.

Let me know.

Thanks,
Joe

Posted by: grasshopper Jan 21 2006, 10:08 PM

i dont know price wise, but i would go for a set

Posted by: lagunero Jan 21 2006, 10:44 PM

I would take a set.

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 21 2006, 10:46 PM

Guys, its great that you would like a set, but how much would you be willing to pay?

Posted by: goodwood73 Jan 21 2006, 11:54 PM

I would like a set. What does the guy making them expect to get for them? Don't want to insult anyone with how much I (A cheap skate) would offer. How about a price based on a number of sets purchased.

$50.00 a set would be great! I would rather have the full bumpers in glass for weight savings.

Paul

Posted by: Demick Jan 22 2006, 12:57 AM

I'd be in for a set. $150 per set is what I think they should cost.

Demick

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Jan 22 2006, 08:31 AM

Sure I would take a set for 50. But I am a realist. I can't believe someone that is getting 360 a set will sell them for 50 even in a group buy. I would pay 175 a set easily. I need 2 sets.

Mark

Posted by: bmunday Jan 22 2006, 08:39 AM

I'm in... I honestly don't know what the market price is for a nice set. $150.00 sounds fair, but that might be unrealistic...

Posted by: blitZ Jan 22 2006, 09:16 AM

I'm in for a set and have been watching the prices. There is an Ebay seller pushing the price envelope (IMO), asking $195 per piece, which is more than this CSOB is willing to pay. I believe morphenspectra is going to produce a set at some point and stated $185 for the pair, which sounds more reasonable. So for a group buy, $175 including shipping sounds good to me.

Posted by: jimkelly Jan 22 2006, 09:29 AM

Interested - $125.

Shipping should be extra as east cost would be quite different than west coast.

Jim

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jan 22 2006, 09:42 AM

I'm in for a set, 200 tops, but after tax money gets in(end of the month)

Posted by: rmital Jan 22 2006, 10:16 AM

QUOTE (blitZ @ Jan 22 2006, 07:16 AM)

So for a group buy, $175 including shipping sounds good to me.

...I agree, for a group buy the $175 including the shipping would be good for me too. Thanks for even attempting to put this together!

Posted by: Paul Illick Jan 22 2006, 10:18 AM

Ditto.

Posted by: Trevorg7 Jan 22 2006, 10:26 AM

$150/pair sounds like a deal, I'm in.

T

Posted by: lagunero Jan 22 2006, 10:39 AM

QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Jan 21 2006, 08:46 PM)

Guys, its great that you would like a set, but how much would you be willing to pay?

145.00

Morphenspectra just mentioned that he's thinking about offering these between 150 and 175 (IIRC) but after this thread I can't see why they'd go for less than 200. Personally, at 145-150 a set I'm in for a set, at 175-200 a set I can wait until I really need them.

Posted by: bmunday Jan 22 2006, 10:51 AM

QUOTE (lagunero @ Jan 22 2006, 08:39 AM)

QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Jan 21 2006, 08:46 PM) Guys, its great that you would like a set, but how much would you be willing to pay? 145.00 Morphenspectra just mentioned that he's thinking about offering these between 150 and 175 (IIRC) but after this thread I can't see why they'd go for less than 200. Personally, at 145-150 a set I'm in for a set, at 175-200 a set I can wait until I really need them.

Posted by: mrdezyne Jan 22 2006, 11:48 AM

$125 - $150 for a set....

I'm in, thanks for gathering info.....

Posted by: STL914 Jan 22 2006, 03:01 PM

QUOTE (mrdezyne @ Jan 22 2006, 09:48 AM)

$125 - $150 for a set....

This seems like a fair price and I'd be willing to go in for a set.

Posted by: riverman Jan 22 2006, 03:25 PM

I need to buy a set sometime soon anyway, so anything cheaper than what is out there would be great. The consencus seems to be around $150.00 per set and that number sounds good to me as well.

Posted by: ajracer Jan 22 2006, 05:10 PM

Sounds good to me; count me in for ONE set around $ 150-175.

Allan

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 23 2006, 10:31 AM

Morning. Anyone interested in this please post. I am corresponding with the guy as we speak. I hope to have details shortly.

Thanks,
Joe

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 23 2006, 10:37 AM

im in

150 a pair?

Posted by: fiid Jan 23 2006, 10:43 AM

I'm in for a set - and think 150 is reasonable. I'd be happy to pay less though....

Posted by: MattR Jan 23 2006, 10:45 AM

I'll just wait for everyone to buy fiberglass tops and buy up all the old rubber tops for significantly less

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 23 2006, 10:45 AM

QUOTE (MattR @ Jan 23 2006, 09:45 AM)

I'll just wait for everyone to buy fiberglass tops and buy up all the old rubber tops for significantly less

and replace them every year.....

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jan 23 2006, 11:14 AM

QUOTE (MattR @ Jan 23 2006, 11:45 AM)

I'll just wait for everyone to buy fiberglass tops and buy up all the old rubber tops for significantly less

the rubber tops on mine look like damnit

a drywall screw is holding it together in the back
you still want 'em?

Posted by: spunone Jan 23 2006, 11:48 AM

150.00 Im in lets hope this gets put togeather

Posted by: gklinger Jan 23 2006, 11:52 AM

At $150 or thereabouts, I'm in for one set...

Posted by: WRX914 Jan 23 2006, 12:03 PM

Show me a pic of this part, I have the ability to produce fiberglass parts...

Go to www.koolkartz.com to see some of our work.

you can see some of our fiberglass work. We produce the bodies of the Hummer golf carts and the Buick Lucern. The bumper tops cant be a big deal to fabricate, and honestly I can't think of why they are costing so much. Please send a pic of the part. If anyone could send me the actual part, I could definately reproduce it.

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Jan 23 2006, 12:22 PM

$150 a set sounds good to me too - I would be willing to pay more for a set if they were delivered in satin black with a nice layer of clear-coat for extra protection. Then I could see $175 as fair and would still be in.

Does the supplier/manufacturer have the ability to use CARBON FIBER in this mold? I will pay more for that!
Seriously, if you could ask I would appreciate it. I have CF lids in the works, plan to add CF fog grille plates, CF guage cluster backing, and some CF bumper tops would be the shizzle on the dizzle.

Posted by: lapuwali Jan 23 2006, 12:41 PM

I'd buy a set for $150-175.

Posted by: db9146 Jan 23 2006, 03:39 PM

I'm in for a set at the $150-175 range.

Posted by: blitZ Jan 23 2006, 04:27 PM

QUOTE (WRX914 @ Jan 23 2006, 10:03 AM)

Show me a pic of this part, I have the ability to produce fiberglass parts... Go to www.koolkartz.com to see some of our work. you can see some of our fiberglass work.  We produce the bodies of the Hummer golf carts and the Buick Lucern.  The bumper tops cant be a big deal to fabricate, and honestly I can't think of why they are costing so much.  Please send a pic of the part.  If anyone could send me the actual part, I could definately reproduce it.

They look like this:

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jan 23 2006, 04:32 PM

I am always amused & amazed how you guys set prices on 914 parts. Everyone wants a set at $XXX$ (cheap price with high quality) when you say that's what I'll pay. Excuse me but the manufacture sets the price based on his costs and profit. You then step up or do without. I know (Karl) the guy making these fibergalss tops. I believe he was selling them last year for about $150 to $175 each & probably at cost. He's not going to manufacture them or any one else at your suggested prices. Lets give our parts suppliers a chance to make a little money and encourage them to make 914 parts. I know lots of you guys want to buy cheap, but it's not going to happen when you say cheap, cheap. That scares our parts manufactures away.

Tom
Oh Jake, I feel your pain!!!!!!!

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 23 2006, 04:34 PM

QUOTE (WRX914 @ Jan 23 2006, 10:03 AM)

Show me a pic of this part, I have the ability to produce fiberglass parts... Go to www.koolkartz.com to see some of our work. you can see some of our fiberglass work. We produce the bodies of the Hummer golf carts and the Buick Lucern. The bumper tops cant be a big deal to fabricate, and honestly I can't think of why they are costing so much. Please send a pic of the part. If anyone could send me the actual part, I could definately reproduce it.

Let me know ASAP if you can these. It would be cool to get them from a member.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 23 2006, 04:39 PM

theres several players in this game tom.....
morph, the beay guy, a fg guy in san diego, and now wrx914.....

the best quality at the cheapest price WINS.....

DEMAND sets prices....
more players in the game benefit the purchasers....

flame away

:nomex on:

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jan 23 2006, 04:48 PM

Aroon,

I understand that. I am just saying let them (suppliers) set a fair price first before you scare them away with cheap, cheap talk.

I am all for competition, but this is a small volume business. We need them more than they need us.

Tom

Posted by: Thomas J Bliznik Jan 23 2006, 04:50 PM

Sorry, that's Aaron!!!!!

Posted by: Trevorg7 Jan 23 2006, 05:00 PM

Aaron is right. It is pure supply and demand. We are by no means telling anyone how to sell products. The original question was what an acceptable price point is. The masses have spoken and if our negotiator can pull it off great. We're not making him sell for less than cost+markup rather presenting an opportunity.

Thanks

T

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 23 2006, 05:02 PM

QUOTE (Thomas J Bliznik @ Jan 23 2006, 02:32 PM)

I am always amused & amazed how you guys set prices on 914 parts. Everyone wants a set at $XXX$ (cheap price with high quality) when you say that's what I'll pay. Excuse me but the manufacture sets the price based on his costs and profit. You then step up or do without. I know (Karl) the guy making these fibergalss tops. I believe he was selling them last year for about $150 to $175 each & probably at cost. He's not going to manufacture them or any one else at your suggested prices. Lets give our parts suppliers a chance to make a little money and encourage them to make 914 parts. I know lots of you guys want to buy cheap, but it's not going to happen when you say cheap, cheap. That scares our parts manufactures away. Tom Oh Jake, I feel your pain!!!!!!!

Whoa now. This thread is to guage interest and determine what people would be willing to pay. We have no say over what someone's costs are or how much they want to make on a given product. No one is forcing anyone to do business here. There are some manufacturers that will take a bulk order of 15 or 20 sets of bumper tops and make less per set, but more at one time and some that won't.

We are not talking engines here, which are critical to the operation of a car, but an asthetic piece to replace crappy looking bumper tops with nice clean fiberglass ones. I have lived with my crappy rubber tops for 3 years, I can survive with them. If I can get a decent deal on fiberglass ones, then great, I will do it. If not, then I will stick with my crappy rubber tops.

Posted by: warrenporsche Jan 23 2006, 05:15 PM

I am in, lemmie know where to send the dough. I just bought a 914 2 days ago and the factory ones are shot anyway!!

Posted by: fiid Jan 23 2006, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Thomas J Bliznik @ Jan 23 2006, 02:32 PM)

I am always amused & amazed how you guys set prices on 914 parts. Everyone wants a set at $XXX$ (cheap price with high quality) when you say that's what I'll pay. Excuse me but the manufacture sets the price based on his costs and profit. You then step up or do without. I know (Karl) the guy making these fibergalss tops. I believe he was selling them last year for about $150 to $175 each & probably at cost. He's not going to manufacture them or any one else at your suggested prices. Lets give our parts suppliers a chance to make a little money and encourage them to make 914 parts. I know lots of you guys want to buy cheap, but it's not going to happen when you say cheap, cheap. That scares our parts manufactures away. Tom Oh Jake, I feel your pain!!!!!!!

It's a market. You're right that it's not a particuarly large volume market. Markets have buyers that are willing to buy at certain prices and sellers. It is not correct that sellers should always set prices, just as it is not correct that sellers should always set prices. There are a spectrum of niches in between - from Ferrari to Wal-mart. This is just a little exercise really in market research. When we have an understanding of volume and price point we'll shop it around and see what we can get. If it comes in a $160 a set I bet almomst everyone will buy them. And I also bet it won't include shipping.

Posted by: lagunero Jan 24 2006, 01:02 AM

While still on the subject of getting these parts, if WRX914 were able to make these, I'd suggest a second option. Deviating from the original, I had planned on making a set that did not overlap the bumper but instead blended smoothly with it. Since I like the safety factor that a steel bumper offers (opposed to FG) the reason for the FG top is not weight but durability (compared to rubber top), the FG top is defeated by protruding. The visual difference would be minimal and if originality is not a main concern, IMO we have a winner.

Posted by: JB 914 Jan 24 2006, 01:31 AM

i'll take a set. I'll also hold them while you smack'em on the price.

Posted by: lagunero Jan 24 2006, 01:42 AM

QUOTE (PKRMONY @ Jan 23 2006, 11:31 PM)

i'll take a set. I'll also hold them while you smack'em on the price.

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Jan 24 2006, 01:25 PM

Donkey dude - you are right on the money

A fiberglass bumper top will look great for many years, unlike the rubber, but will be TOTALED by the smallest impact if it protrudes in front of the steel bumper. The bumper top will be crushed, and then the steel bumper will take a hit too.

I totally agree with you, the best way to do this is have it flush, or millimeters behind, the front steel bumper. It will sacrifice the durability - but if that is a big issue we can all glue the rubber titties back on!

Posted by: WRX914 Jan 24 2006, 01:32 PM

Talking with my fiberglass guy today... Hopefully we will be able to help you out.

Whatever design you would like can be done. It would be helpful to actually have a part to press the mold from, and then modify the mold to incorporate your ideas.

Thx

Keith

Posted by: warrenporsche Jan 24 2006, 04:13 PM

Okay, all fine and good, I will still take a set as long as the price is not truly ridiculous. are all the bumper caps the same for these cars? or is there some mounting difference from year to year?

Posted by: lapuwali Jan 24 2006, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (warrenporsche @ Jan 24 2006, 02:13 PM)

Okay, all fine and good, I will still take a set as long as the price is not truly ridiculous. are all the bumper caps the same for these cars? or is there some mounting difference from year to year?

'70-'74 are all the same. '75-'76 have completely different bumpers.

Posted by: atsealevel914 Jan 24 2006, 07:36 PM

I need a set.

Posted by: SpecialK Jan 24 2006, 07:43 PM

I'm in for a set @ $149.95 + $.05 shipping.

Posted by: rmital Jan 25 2006, 02:54 PM

.....still very interested to see if a group purchase helps decrease my restoration budget.

Posted by: WRX914 Jan 25 2006, 04:08 PM

I spoke to my fiberglass guy last night. He said this part is easily manufactored with the aid of an original top rubber. I believe I have a set to take to mold available to me tomorrow. We will know a more very soon regarding pricing and how quickly we can produce them. One thing I noticed on the original fiberglass top is I think they used wood to attach the top glass piece to the bumper. I don't think this is the way to go, as the wood will fatigue over a period of time. We are thinking that urethane is the way to go.

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 25 2006, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (WRX914 @ Jan 25 2006, 02:08 PM)

I spoke to my fiberglass guy last night. He said this part is easily manufactored with the aid of an original top rubber. I believe I have a set to take to mold available to me tomorrow. We will know a more very soon regarding pricing and how quickly we can produce them. One thing I noticed on the original fiberglass top is I think they used wood to attach the top glass piece to the bumper. I don't think this is the way to go, as the wood will fatigue over a period of time. We are thinking that urethane is the way to go.

Great point. If anyone has already purchased a set of these, can you please look at the mountings and let us know what they are made of?

Thanks,
Joe

Posted by: warrenporsche Jan 25 2006, 04:19 PM

Okay, I need to know if there is a phone # or e-mail to contact someone about how many prospective orders they have and how much, no offense intended but the process is grinding to a halt here. I realize this is an excluse item with a limited market. I am unsure who the fiberglass guy is but surely he has an idea what he will do a batch of one-off pieces for since he proabaly does it for race teams all the time. Phone#? e-mail? Price?

Thanks again!

warrenporsche@yahoo.com

Posted by: Mueller Jan 25 2006, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (WRX914 @ Jan 25 2006, 03:08 PM)

One thing I noticed on the original fiberglass top is I think they used wood to attach the top glass piece to the bumper.

not sure what you mean by "original"...there is at least 2 different suppliers of the 'glass top.

why not use a metal strip with studs? just like the OEM rubber part has....

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 25 2006, 05:30 PM

the pic ive seen had delrin blocks with studs in them. superb quality from what i hear

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 25 2006, 06:15 PM

QUOTE (warrenporsche @ Jan 25 2006, 02:19 PM)

Okay, I need to know if there is a phone # or e-mail to contact someone about how many prospective orders they have and how much, no offense intended but the process is grinding to a halt here. I realize this is an excluse item with a limited market. I am unsure who the fiberglass guy is but surely he has an idea what he will do a batch of one-off pieces for since he proabaly does it for race teams all the time. Phone#? e-mail? Price? Thanks again! warrenporsche@yahoo.com

Grinding to what halt? I started this thread and I posted right before your last post.

I have the process moving along just as I had expected. I have a few players at this point, but I am waiting for some additional data.

You can PM me if you are looking for more specific information.

Thanks,
Joe

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 30 2006, 02:00 PM

Update: I have been out of pocket for the last few days traveling, but here is the latest on this:

One supplier is willing to do a deal, but the price is too high (over $200 per set) but that includes bulk shipping. So I could have them shipped to me and we could meet up or I could ship them out to you individually. The price is too high at the moment. I am waiting for a few others to come back so that I can negotiate.

I am waiting for another vendor to get back to me. There have been some logistical issues on their end, so I do not expect to hear back from them until the end of the week.

I will know more then.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to get back to me.

Thanks,
Joe

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jan 30 2006, 02:08 PM

how much over 200? doesn't sound too unreasonable...

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 30 2006, 02:13 PM

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jan 30 2006, 12:08 PM)

how much over 200? doesn't sound too unreasonable...

It's $220 without direct shipping, just bulk shipping to one place (i.e. me). So there is likely more costs on top of that.

Most folks here have responded with $150-$175 price range as the ball park, so this is too high at the moment. I will go back to the guy, but only after I have options and a position from which to negotiate.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Jan 30 2006, 02:19 PM

yea, I guess it's by how bad you need 'em... mine are bad

Posted by: jporsche914 Jan 30 2006, 02:23 PM

will it be bare fiberglass or completely finished in black? If it would be a very high quality perfect fitting peice 220 bucks is a great deal

Posted by: rmital Jan 30 2006, 02:25 PM

Mine are pretty bad too........held on with a string....


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Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Jan 30 2006, 04:45 PM

KaptKaos & Others- Thanks for all the work on this, and a quick question..

I don't have the 914 with me to check, but don't the license plate lights mount to the bottom of the rear bumper top in some way?? Ignore this if I'm the mark, but I am hoping to find out that the fiberglass replacement will also allow for the proper mounting of both rear lisense plate lights.

Looking forward to seein the group price under $200

Posted by: lapuwali Jan 30 2006, 05:32 PM

OK, my real pricing guide:

$100 per set for raw "chopper gunned" parts with no mounts, unfinished.
$150 per set if they're raw hand-laid parts with no mounts, unfinished

Add $50 for bonded in steel or aluminum mounts, drilled.
Add $50 for finishing to a ready to bolt on condition, primered.
Add $100 for ready to bolt on with zero finish work on the part of the buyer.

So, for hand-laid parts that are completely finished: $400 per set.

Were I intending to go into business selling these things, this is roughly how I'd price them. The cheap bastards just have to do more work to finish them (sanding edges to fit, primering, painting, drilling holes for license plate lights, etc). The people who have more money than time can just pay up for ready to go parts. It's the finish work that takes all the time in producing these things once you have a mold, so charge less for parts with little finish work.

Posted by: KaptKaos Jan 30 2006, 10:35 PM

QUOTE (lapuwali @ Jan 30 2006, 03:32 PM)

OK, my real pricing guide: $100 per set for raw "chopper gunned" parts with no mounts, unfinished. $150 per set if they're raw hand-laid parts with no mounts, unfinished Add $50 for bonded in steel or aluminum mounts, drilled. Add $50 for finishing to a ready to bolt on condition, primered. Add $100 for ready to bolt on with zero finish work on the part of the buyer. So, for hand-laid parts that are completely finished: $400 per set. Were I intending to go into business selling these things, this is roughly how I'd price them. The cheap bastards just have to do more work to finish them (sanding edges to fit, primering, painting, drilling holes for license plate lights, etc). The people who have more money than time can just pay up for ready to go parts. It's the finish work that takes all the time in producing these things once you have a mold, so charge less for parts with little finish work.

James,

Interesting estimates, but the prices I am seeing at this moment are lower. You rightly point out that the devil is in the details, so I will certainly post more as I know more.

Also, to the previous poster, ChrisNPDrider, the ones that I have a solid quote on include the license light cut-outs.

Heading back to Cali manana. Sure is chilly here, but not as cold as it could be.

Be well.

- Joe

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 1 2006, 08:18 PM

Current Count is 29

KaptKaos (that's me)
Grasshopper
Lagunero
Goodwood73
Demick
Bartlett914 x 2
Bmunday
Blitz
JimKelly
tat2dphreak
Rmital
Paul Illick
Trevorg7
Mrdezyne
Stl914
Riverman
Ajracer
Aaron Cox
fiid
Spunone
Gklinker
WRX914
ChrisNPDrider
Lapuwali
db9146
WarrenPorsche
Atsealevel914
Buzzard1

Ok, if I missed anyone please respond now.

Thanks,
Joe

Posted by: scotty b Feb 1 2006, 08:24 PM

I'm down for a set now, maybe 2 right off the bat depending on final price and quality.

Posted by: SGB Feb 1 2006, 08:28 PM

Will there be more in the future? Maybe Dave can get Pelican to buy another dozen, b/c soon as I don't buy now, there will be some occurance... I don't even like think about it. But really, the need won't go away after this first buy, so I'm hoping there may be a plan....

Posted by: Korijo Feb 1 2006, 08:33 PM

me too, me too!

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 1 2006, 11:00 PM

Revised: 2/1/06

KaptKaos (that's me)
Grasshopper
Lagunero
Goodwood73
Demick
Bartlett914 x 2
Bmunday
Blitz
JimKelly
tat2dphreak
Rmital
Paul Illick
Trevorg7
Mrdezyne
Stl914
Riverman
Ajracer
Aaron Cox
fiid
Spunone
Gklinker
WRX914
ChrisNPDrider
Lapuwali
WarrenPorsche
Atsealevel914
Buzzard1
SGB
Korijo

Ok, I need positive confirmation of these interested parties by 2/6/06.

The current price is $200/set with bulk shipping to me in SoCal. For those in SoCal, we can use it as an excuse to BBQ!!

For those outside of SoCal, I can ship to you at your cost. I can ship fed-ex ground.

Let me know if you are game.

Once I get confirmation of people that are truely interested, I will start another thread with payment details.

Thanks!

- Joe

Posted by: Gint Feb 1 2006, 11:03 PM

So, who's making these things anyway? You? Joe, that is, KaptKaos

Posted by: anthony Feb 1 2006, 11:07 PM

Are there any high res pics of the finished product?

Posted by: Toast Feb 1 2006, 11:13 PM

I only need the front one for my baby girl.

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 1 2006, 11:59 PM

1) I am not making them.

2) I hope to have some good pix shortly.

3) I am sure we can work something out for you Toast

Posted by: fiid Feb 2 2006, 12:53 AM

this is me ... confirming positively.

A bunch of these will be coming to the bay area so let's figure out a way to reduce the shipping cost on these.... perhaps we'll have to make a run to LA.

Fiid.

Posted by: srcapmetal Feb 2 2006, 01:04 AM

I'm in for a set....Thanks.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Feb 2 2006, 08:41 AM

if they are good quality, I'm in

Posted by: porsche914blue Feb 2 2006, 08:58 AM

I'm interested too.

Posted by: 736conver Feb 2 2006, 08:59 AM

Im in if they are good quality

Posted by: Demick Feb 2 2006, 09:31 AM

I'm in. But of course like everyone else, would like to reserve final judgement until I see what I'm getting.

I count ~5 sets that would be coming to the Bay Area. Like Fiid says, we could probably do a single shipment up here and then distribute them. They are not heavy, just large - so shipping 5 sets together will only be a few dollars more than shipping one set.

Demick

Posted by: mrdezyne Feb 2 2006, 09:46 AM

My confirmation at $200 for the pair.....

Posted by: gklinger Feb 2 2006, 10:01 AM

I'm in at $200, with pix of quality units. Oh, and it's gklinger...

Posted by: rmital Feb 2 2006, 10:18 AM

I'm in Joe....trusting your judgement on quality.

I couldn't be any further away on the right coast....looking forward to see what shipping is.

Posted by: bmunday Feb 2 2006, 10:19 AM

I haven't seen this thred in a bit, came across it this morning.
Can someone help me out? Is the price $200.00 ? just want to clarify, seems like a fair price based on the description. As others have mentioned, I would like to see some pics, but if all is as it seems, I'm in.. Just tell me where to sign up...

Posted by: LvSteveH Feb 2 2006, 11:05 AM

Ok, I'm in for a set. Thanks

Posted by: theol00 Feb 2 2006, 11:49 AM

I am interested in a set as well - and I could participate in the bay area shipment too - thanks

Posted by: goose2 Feb 2 2006, 12:23 PM

ok...me too

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Feb 2 2006, 12:25 PM

$200 confirmed - Bay Area also

If these are the same manufacterer as the ones for sale on eBay, there are pictures there. Are they???? If so, the eBay seller informed me they come with mounting hardware and have a slight curve up where they meet the fender. However the pics on eBay do not show them mounted, which would be awesome!! They are going for >$200 on eBay, almost $400 for BUY IT NOW, so we should thank Kapt for helpn out here!
Cheers!

Posted by: rmital Feb 2 2006, 12:32 PM

QUOTE (ChrisNPDrider @ Feb 2 2006, 10:25 AM)

so we should thank Kapt for helpn out here!

...especially since I really suck at bidding for stuff on EBay....don't I JimKelly....

Posted by: JOHNMAN Feb 2 2006, 12:44 PM

I wasn't "IN" before, but if it's not too late, I would be "IN" for one set at $200.00 for the set. I understand shipping will be extra since I'm not able to pick them up....

But of course like everyone else, would like to reserve final judgement until I see what I'm getting.

Posted by: type11969 Feb 2 2006, 01:25 PM

I'm definitely interested, like to see pics first though! Installed pics would be even better!

-Chris

Posted by: maf914 Feb 2 2006, 02:40 PM

Kap'n,

Put me down for one pair at $200. Hope this works out okay.

Posted by: maddeye Feb 2 2006, 06:29 PM

I'd be in for a set. George

Posted by: GWN7 Feb 2 2006, 06:57 PM

I'm in, but want to see the end project

Posted by: eddyt Feb 3 2006, 07:29 AM

I am interested in a set also.

Thanks

Posted by: Rotary'14 Feb 4 2006, 12:32 PM

I'm in for 2 sets at $200 too!

-Rob

Posted by: Trevorg7 Feb 4 2006, 01:09 PM

Confirming I'm in for one set $200 - Bay Area Group.

T

Posted by: Bartlett 914 Feb 4 2006, 01:35 PM

Hi kap'n

A lot of questions about where these are comming from. When this started it was (I thought) about a group buy from the ebay seller. I believe he is in Michigan. A few pictures and good coments about them. Afterword, there were some coments from those that wanted to make them. From my view this is a little unknown. Could you please let us know what is up with who you are dealing with and what will be delivered.

Mark

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 7 2006, 11:42 AM

This is the latest count. Please check to make sure you are on the list.

KaptKaos (that's me)
Grasshopper
Lagunero
Goodwood73
Demick
Bartlett914 x 2
Bmunday
JimKelly
tat2dphreak
Rmital
Paul Illick
Trevorg7
Mrdezyne
Stl914
Riverman
Ajracer
Aaron Cox
fiid
Spunone
Gklinger
ChrisNPDrider
Lapuwali
WarrenPorsche
Atsealevel914
Buzzard1
SGB
Korijo
Toast - 1/2 (front)
srcapmetal
porsche914blue
736conver
lvSteveH
theol00
goose2
johnman
type11969
maf914
maddeye
gwn7
eddyt
rotary'14 x2
Scotty B

Total is now 44 1/2 ( Toast). I will be confirm a new price based on that volume shortly.

Thanks to all for participating.

- Joe

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 7 2006, 11:43 AM

when is the next price break? 50?

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 7 2006, 11:48 AM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 7 2006, 09:43 AM)

when is the next price break? 50?

Dunno

I sent an email asking if there are additional price breaks and to see if he'll do a few regional shipments.

More info to follow shortly.

Posted by: blitZ Feb 7 2006, 11:49 AM

I have to remove my request for a set, I scored nicely on some real pads.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Feb 7 2006, 12:10 PM

has morphenspectra (James) been contacted, I know he was going to be making sets at one time...

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 7 2006, 12:32 PM

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Feb 7 2006, 10:10 AM)

has morphenspectra (James) been contacted, I know he was going to be making sets at one time...

Not by me. Do you have his contact info? I would have assumed he read the posts for this and would have replied. I'd sure like to keep it in the family, so to speak.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Feb 7 2006, 12:53 PM

QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Feb 7 2006, 01:32 PM)

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Feb 7 2006, 10:10 AM) has morphenspectra (James) been contacted, I know he was going to be making sets at one time...  :confused: Not by me. Do you have his contact info? I would have assumed he read the posts for this and would have replied. I'd sure like to keep it in the family, so to speak.

he's in the parts and resources section...

Posted by: WRX914 Feb 7 2006, 01:19 PM

Kaptn,

I do not need the top rubbers, I already paid major $$$$ for the new ones I already have.

thanks though!

Posted by: Toast Feb 7 2006, 02:44 PM

Ok, I will probably hold off on my order until I hear from the insurance co. on wtf they are going to do.

I may have one pending.

Thanks though. I'll let you know if I still need one.

Toast

Posted by: scotty b Feb 7 2006, 06:43 PM

For the 2nd time I have been ommited from the list. Am I not loved ?? Hell I even sent you a PM the other day to make sure I got on the next list, but alas I am scorned yet again

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 7 2006, 06:43 PM

My bad Scotty, I will add you right now.

Posted by: scotty b Feb 7 2006, 06:49 PM

AAAawwwwww I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now Thanks

Posted by: merrill Feb 7 2006, 06:50 PM

I will fill in for blitz stepping out.

Posted by: db9146 Feb 8 2006, 10:54 AM

I have purchased a set of the FG tops and am awaiting their arrival. I have been emailing Joe so this is one of the potential vendors. As soon as I receive them, I'll post pictures and give some feedback to the group so that we can all know what to expect from this vendor.

Let you all know soon.

Dee

Posted by: riverman Feb 8 2006, 11:25 AM

Posted by: greg.treadway Feb 8 2006, 04:00 PM

These FG bumper tops will be offered on the http://gtautoperformance.com website shortly.

Posted by: tat2dphreak Feb 8 2006, 04:09 PM

QUOTE (greg.treadway @ Feb 8 2006, 05:00 PM)

These FG bumper tops will be offered on the http://gtautoperformance.com website shortly.

who's making them?
how much?
when?
what color(s)?

cmon Greg, don't tease us you slut!

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 8 2006, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (greg.treadway @ Feb 8 2006, 02:00 PM)

These FG bumper tops will be offered on the http://gtautoperformance.com website shortly.

How shortly? How muchly? If you have followed this thread, I think you have seen the price point that people feel is right for these. I hope yours are in that area.

Keep us posted.

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 8 2006, 06:56 PM

On another note, I spoke with James (Morphenspectra) today. He is in So Cal picking up a roller. I am going to meet up with him, chat a bit about these tops and pickup a spoiler for Toast. I am hoping to get an idea from James when he thinks he will have these available.

More to follow!

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Feb 8 2006, 07:47 PM

Posted by: shadygrady Feb 8 2006, 08:20 PM

Is it to late to ask for a set of these for $175 including shipping?

thanks

Posted by: greg.treadway Feb 9 2006, 09:41 AM

Slut that I am I listed them on the site. I can't touch $175 a pair though. That is a great price.

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 9 2006, 10:48 AM

Greg,

I think you will find that people are willing to pay about $200 for a set. At the price you have, people will live with their beat up rubber tops. If someone really wants a perfect 914, they can spend a little more money and get new rubber tops.

I think you, and others, are comparing the costs of the fiberglass to the rubber and trying to make the price attractive. Most people do not need to get new tops, but would like to have their cars look better. In most cases, its a want, not a need. So they will suffer a bit with their ugly bumper tops until a good deal comes along.

You are looking at a list of over 40 people that have expressed their interest in buying a set of bumper tops. The current price point is $200/set. You want to make a deal or just watch? The ball is in your court.

- Joe

Posted by: greg.treadway Feb 9 2006, 10:52 AM

Good response. Let me check with my supplier on this and see what kind of better price we can come up with. Believe me, I want to keep the prices as low as I can.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 9 2006, 10:54 AM

so who is making these???

the ebay guy from MI right?

if its a tried and true product, which is already being sold.... and the deal is already set...
why are we talking to others who havent even made these yet? seems like we're rushing an unfinished product from them.....

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 9 2006, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 9 2006, 08:54 AM)

so who is making these??? the ebay guy from MI right? if its a tried and true product, which is already being sold.... and the deal is already set... why are we talking to others who havent even made these yet? seems like we're rushing an unfinished product from them.....

Aaron,

As far as I am concerned, there is no deal with anyone yet. Only negotiations. I do not know who is supplying Greg. Certainly an example of the quality of the product will be required.

That said, this is still an open negotiation. I also have a few others that are PMing me with information that I am not at liberty to discuss yet.

BTW: Nice pic of my car on your website Greg. Mine is the orange one in the front of that line-up. That was at WCC05 before the poker run.

- Joe

Posted by: tat2dphreak Feb 9 2006, 11:08 AM

QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Feb 9 2006, 11:48 AM)

Greg, I think you will find that people are willing to pay about $200 for a set. At the price you have, people will live with their beat up rubber tops. If someone really wants a perfect 914, they can spend a little more money and get new rubber tops. I think you, and others, are comparing the costs of the fiberglass to the rubber and trying to make the price attractive. Most people do not need to get new tops, but would like to have their cars look better. In most cases, its a want, not a need. So they will suffer a bit with their ugly bumper tops until a good deal comes along. You are looking at a list of over 40 people that have expressed their interest in buying a set of bumper tops. The current price point is $200/set. You want to make a deal or just watch? The ball is in your court. - Joe

at that close to $400, the rubber starts to look better...

Posted by: LvSteveH Feb 9 2006, 11:34 AM

Considering that the rubber tops have been on many cars for 30+ years, I don't think going to fiberglass is only about lasting longer. After all, the OEM version can take a pretty good smack and bounce back. New OEM tops can still be found for about $400 for both front and back, I paid about $375 for my last set. On a car that is taken care of and not left to the elements, there is no reason new stock bumper tops can't outlast the car. Leave one of these fiberglass tops on a car parked outside for a couple decades and they will look worse for wear just like the stock ones.

That being said, I'm on the list for a set at $200, a little lighter, and a little cheaper. At $400, I'm going with the new stockers, no doubt about it.

Posted by: greg.treadway Feb 10 2006, 10:06 AM

After some consideration and negotiation...I am able to offer the set at $250 for the set. As you can see that is down over $100 from my previous price. I think the group buy is still an awesome deal this just gives an alternative. I hope this helps.

Posted by: db9146 Feb 18 2006, 03:06 PM

Okay I promised a little feedback on some FG bumper tops. I looked at a set manufactured by the guy on Ebay. The exterior finish of the tops was very good. IMO they had the right texture - not real smooth like most gel coat. With the right color (glossiness) black, I can easily see them fooling folks until they start tapping them. They are thin at a little less than a 1/16th of an inch but he says he can make them thicker if desired (with a large enough order). There are FG blocks that are glued on the back side that have tapped holes for the mounting hardware which comes with the tops. The rear bumper has the correct reliefs for the tag lights with the mounting screws. And they are light at about 4 lbs. for the front and 3.5 lbs. for the rear.

The curvature of the front bumper looks pretty good but I did not have a chance to bolt one on to see how well it fit so keep that in mind. They are FG and while most FG needs some work to fit right, these LOOKED pretty good as they come.

Quite honestly, I was looking for the solid FG replacements like the rubber ones, not just thin shells which is what these are. I guess it depends on what you are looking for.

He will offer a group buy shipped in total to one or two locations for the $200 per set.

Here are some photos.


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Posted by: db9146 Feb 18 2006, 03:06 PM

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Posted by: db9146 Feb 18 2006, 03:07 PM

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Posted by: gregrobbins Feb 18 2006, 04:01 PM

Probably to late to get in on the buy, but if anyone drops out, I will take a set.

Posted by: mrdezyne Feb 18 2006, 08:22 PM

So with a group buy to shiped to one or two locations, will this be a west coast and east coast shipment? I'm kinda screwed being right in the middle in OK. I would have to count on someone to ship me my set. How is this going to work? I'm still in for $200 a set.....

Posted by: tesserra Feb 18 2006, 08:29 PM

How did I miss this ?
I want a set.
I will review the thread later to see if I can still get in on the deal.

George

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 18 2006, 09:17 PM

can the manufacturer lay them up thicker?

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 19 2006, 12:51 AM

This is the input I have been waiting for. Thanks Dee.

Ok folks, please make sure you review the pictures and ask questions now.

Thanks!

- Joe

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 19 2006, 12:52 AM

QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Feb 18 2006, 11:51 PM)

This is the input I have been waiting for. Thanks Dee. Ok folks, please make sure you review the pictures and ask questions now. Thanks! - Joe

can he make them thicker....

Posted by: lotus_65 Feb 19 2006, 06:51 AM

QUOTE (tesserra @ Feb 18 2006, 09:29 PM)

How did I miss this ? I want a set. I will review the thread later to see if I can still get in on the deal. George

i missed it because the subtitle said "to guage interest only"

i didn't even look until today just guessing it had gone beyond that.

maybe get a new thread going with the actual deal in black and white when negotiations with the manufacturer are complete.

Posted by: scotty b Feb 19 2006, 06:54 AM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 18 2006, 10:52 PM)

QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Feb 18 2006, 11:51 PM) This is the input I have been waiting for.  Thanks Dee. Ok folks, please make sure you review the pictures and ask questions now.   Thanks! - Joe can he make them thicker....

Posted by: db9146 Feb 20 2006, 08:47 PM

Yes, he said that he can make them thicker (I believe I included that tidbit in my original post). We would have to specify how thick. He said that at the present thickness, there is some flexibility in them so they are less likely to crack (his explanation). While it may be that 1/16th is a bit thin, maybe specifying a thinkness of 1/8 would make them durable enough but still provide some flexibility.

Someone with more FG experience needs to weigh in here on the thickness.

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Feb 20 2006, 09:00 PM

Well, if they don't fit exactly perfect, the thicker and less flexible piece might not fit at all. Anybody that's ever wrestled with installing fiberglass on their 914 knows what I mean. Small imperfections exist in most cars (well, mine anyway) ESPECIALLY in the bumpers. The smallest hit on my front corner bumber from the PO resulted in needing offset holes drilled in the LE front spoiler.

Anyway, I would think that ordering so many sets without having a real test fit is not wise. I agree a durable, thicker stock is the way to go, but we might need a new mounting strategy...maybe a floating nut trapped in a box like behind the foglight bracket?

Just my 0.02

Posted by: scotty b Feb 22 2006, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (db9146 @ Feb 20 2006, 06:47 PM)

Yes, he said that he can make them thicker (I believe I included that tidbit in my original post). We would have to specify how thick. He said that at the present thickness, there is some flexibility in them so they are less likely to crack (his explanation). While it may be that 1/16th is a bit thin, maybe specifying a thinkness of 1/8 would make them durable enough but still provide some flexibility. Someone with more FG experience needs to weigh in here on the thickness.

Flexing really isn't an issue. Tops will be mounted on the steel bumper which doesn't flex and if you were to hit another car you'll probably go over the top and f-up the hood which will give you something bigger to worry about. Me personally would like to see a foam core shaped like the top, and coverd in 1/8" fiberglass. I had considerd doing it this way with a stainless steel strip in the middle with studs welded on in the stock location.?My concern with this design is the bottom being open with only the lip to sit on, could cause some movement and undesirable angling of the top when tightend down. My .02c

Posted by: mrdezyne Feb 22 2006, 07:37 PM

QUOTE (scotty b @ Feb 22 2006, 04:46 PM)

Me personally would like to see a foam core shaped like the top, and coverd in 1/8" fiberglass. I had considerd doing it this way with a stainless steel strip in the middle with studs welded on in the stock location.?My concern with this design is the bottom being open with only the lip to sit on, could cause some movement and undesirable angling of the top when tightend down. My .02c

Perhaps spray expanding foam behind these hollow cores and trim off the excess before you mount them.... I did this with a CF hood between the upper and lower layers and it worked great. Increased stiffness and added sound deadening.....

Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 22 2006, 08:32 PM

UPDATE:

We have identified another potential supplier. It will be a little while before I see product, but only a few weeks. The potential is for a good cost savings, so I am inclinded to wait to see if this plays out.

Let me know how you feel about this.

Thanks,
Joe

Posted by: 736conver Mar 19 2006, 11:31 AM

Whats the latest update on this.

Posted by: lagunero Mar 19 2006, 01:25 PM

QUOTE (736conver @ Mar 19 2006, 09:31 AM)

Whats the latest update on this.

are we waiting on Morphenspectra?

Posted by: 736conver Apr 2 2006, 12:20 PM

Posted by: rmital Apr 17 2006, 08:15 AM

just curious.....

Posted by: KaptKaos Apr 17 2006, 11:17 AM

Not much of an update to give but here is the latest.

The original supplier's product was purchased and reviewed by a member. He did not like the qualityof the product.

We began a search for another supplier and we hope to have some information back in the next two weeks.

As soon as we get some details/data I will start a new thread (as this one is a full) and get this going again.

Thanks for your patience.

Posted by: thewheel69 Apr 17 2006, 12:13 PM

I just installed a front fibre glass replacement this weekend that I got from a guy off ebay... I paid around $100 for it. It fits really nice and looks great. I'll try and send a picture shortly.

I am currently trying to contact this same guy to see if he will make me a rear one... I'll let you know if he is interested in creating a bulk situation.

Keep this thread going!