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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:19 PM

alright, time to start a conversion thread. i picked up the engine a month ago and started with the prepping of the tub today.

didn't get too much stuff done, oh well, babysteps ...

the ToDo-List (striked-out items are done!):
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i'm going to overhaul the suspension, mount a front oil cooler with fan(s), fix a few spots on the tub the PO had hacked together, add racing seats and 5-point harness, install the 944 axles, the 911 eBrake, the new trailing arms, add a rear sway bar, Mueller roller bearings, new 250lbs springs on adjustable perches, fix the front sway bar, install new rear window, fix the gastank (correctly this time), replace the plastic fuel lines, get a trick porsche motorsports setup for my oiltank, add a vent to the front hood, redo the rear spoiler (ducktail), 100mm wheel studs all around, throw in the 3.6L motor and when all that is done, i'm going to give her a one of a kind paintjob!

oh, and i'm still playing with the idea to have her put on a celette bench to make sure she's straight ...
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ETA: soon enough to run a full season for 2006 2007 !!! ohmy.gif screwy.gif biggrin.gif driving.gif aktion035.gif

UPDATE: current todo list can be found HERE: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=44700&st=180#entry893103

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:20 PM

the motor, 3.6L '95 993 Twin Plug wub.gif




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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:21 PM

the guys posing when i picked it up at JWE ...

thanks for all the help! smilie_pokal.gif

Dave Darling, Mike Pickels and Bill Pickering ...


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:26 PM

now for the prep work, the car has 911 brakes on all 4 corners, out of a '85 carrera.
i did rebuild the calipers about 6 month ago and noticed that the front rotors were pretty chewed up, so i got some new rotors that i put in today.

i also got longer wheel studs so i could run some spacers for my street wheels. i needed an extra 1 1/4" and i *thought* i would be fine with 75mm studs ...
well, turns out, that wasn't enough. sad.gif
i'll be ordering 100mm studs for the front pretty soon. with the 75mm studs, i could only add about 3/4" of spacer before i ran out of thread, which is 1/2" short of my goal ...

here are the pics (at McMarks shop in napa) ....


old rotors and studs:


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:28 PM

75mm studs (these will be for sale shortly!):


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:29 PM

with the new rotor, bling bling ...


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:29 PM

mounted with the 3/4" spacer:


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:30 PM

not enough thread left for another 1/2" spacer sad.gif


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:32 PM

still way too much space between the tire and the fender, at least 1/2" ...

btw. this is for the street wheels. the track wheels, 9" GoodYear R250 Schlicks, fit perfectly with just a 1/4" spacer!


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:32 PM

and here's trekkor "Butt" welding his front fender ... biggrin.gif


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:34 PM

i'll be back @ marks shop tomorrow to put in the rear spings and, if there's enough time, weld in the brackets for the rear sway bar and get it hooked up ...

enough for today,
beerchug.gif Andy

Posted by: McMark Jan 21 2006, 10:37 PM

Are you talking about a gas tank? Talk to me tomorrow about that.

Oh, and let's paint your wheel wells black. No more orange highlights. wink.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 21 2006, 10:40 PM

QUOTE (McMark @ Jan 21 2006, 08:37 PM)
Are you talking about a gas tank? Talk to me tomorrow about that.

Oh, and let's paint your wheel wells black. No more orange highlights. wink.gif

yes, gas tank, pitted rust holes with gas seeping out of it is not so gud ... ohmy.gif

and also yes on the wheel wells, i already did that in the front, need to do that in the rear too ...

smash.gif Andy

Posted by: Joe Sharp Jan 21 2006, 10:46 PM

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:PERMAGRIN: Joe

Posted by: trekkor Jan 21 2006, 11:00 PM

This will be a fun ride.

I like what you are doing!

Nice thread title, too. Catchy smilie_pokal.gif


KT


Posted by: Travis Neff Jan 22 2006, 12:37 AM

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Posted by: alpha434 Jan 22 2006, 01:08 AM

Did the engine come with the dual 6 distributer set up with the vee belt running one of them, or did it come with an actual 12 spark distributer?

Just curious.

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 02:07 AM

QUOTE (alpha434 @ Jan 21 2006, 11:08 PM)
Did the engine come with the dual 6 distributer set up with the vee belt running one of them, or did it come with an actual 12 spark distributer?

dual, two 6-plug dizzys ...

Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jan 22 2006, 02:14 AM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jan 21 2006, 08:20 PM)
the motor, 3.6L '95 993 Twin Plug wub.gif

from autos.msn.com

Engines & Power (more)

Vehicle: 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera coupe
Standard Engine: 3.6L
Horsepower: 270
Torque (lb-ft) 243

Engine Layout: H6


That should be quite a Rocket Andy! Congrats mueba.gif lol2.gif clap.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 02:18 AM

QUOTE (Scott Carlberg @ Jan 22 2006, 12:14 AM)
Vehicle: 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera coupe
Standard Engine: 3.6L
Horsepower: 270
Torque (lb-ft) 243

ayupp, add headers and a gud exhaust, modified intake and a "adjustment" to the FI chip and you're approaching 300 HP ...

boldblue.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 02:19 AM

coated headers and SS exhaust can be seen here:




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Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jan 22 2006, 02:35 AM

Interesting, in 1996, the 3.6L is Rated at 282hp (12+) and 250tq (7+)


NOT that I'd be complaining! laugh.gif

Posted by: Jeroen Jan 22 2006, 06:29 AM

Ya lucky bast@rd

QUOTE
get a trick porsche motorsports setup for my oiltank

What's that???

Posted by: 9146986 Jan 22 2006, 07:58 AM

You are gonna LOVE that engine in a 914!!! Of course you know you coulda just built a big four! laugh.gif Just ask Trekkor!!

Posted by: seanery Jan 22 2006, 09:49 AM

Andy,
I'm excited for you and jealous all at the same time! pizza.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 11:47 AM

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jan 22 2006, 04:29 AM)
QUOTE
get a trick porsche motorsports setup for my oiltank

What's that???

i'll explain later ... ph34r.gif

Posted by: Eric Taylor Jan 22 2006, 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Scott Carlberg @ Jan 22 2006, 01:35 AM)
Interesting, in 1996, the 3.6L is Rated at 282hp (12+) and 250tq (7+)


NOT that I'd be complaining! laugh.gif

That was because of the varioram, right?. huh.gif
Eric

Posted by: brp914 Jan 22 2006, 12:37 PM

varioram no gonna fit? (so I hear) sawzall-smiley.gif welder.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 12:47 PM

QUOTE (Eric Taylor @ Jan 22 2006, 10:00 AM)
QUOTE (Scott Carlberg @ Jan 22 2006, 01:35 AM)
Interesting, in 1996, the  3.6L is Rated at  282hp  (12+)   and 250tq  (7+)

That was because of the varioram, right?. huh.gif
Eric

varioram AND different chip programming ...

wink.gif Andy

Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 22 2006, 01:02 PM

QUOTE
varioram AND different chip programming ...

Andy
vario no fit without cutting mad.gif 95 is OBD1 yes, yes, yes! biggrin.gif

Posted by: trekkor Jan 22 2006, 01:14 PM

You better get to work! ( I always wanted to say that )

GGR#1 on March 11th and
Zone a/x #1 are fast approaching...April 1st & 2nd.
http://www.pca-ggr.org/calendar.cgi?page=autocross

Go for it! smilie_pokal.gif


KT

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:42 PM

QUOTE (trekkor @ Jan 22 2006, 11:14 AM)
You better get to work! ( I always wanted to say that )

i did! biggrin.gif

we added a rear sway bar (stock) today. a few pics ...

prepped and test fitted support plate in the rear trunk:


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:42 PM

underside, prepped for mounting bracket:


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:43 PM

trunk support plate welded in:


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Posted by: Howard Jan 22 2006, 10:44 PM

Hey Trek, if Andy gets a car that's fast enough, he may be able to keep up with you biggrin.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:44 PM

mounting bracket welded in:


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:45 PM

McMark welding ... welder.gif


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Posted by: Howard Jan 22 2006, 10:45 PM

Seriously, that is a winner!

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:46 PM

after metal ready and primer ...


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:48 PM

i also replaced my old 180lbs progressive springs with new 250lbs springs on threaded collars.
i'm running bilstein shocks ...


here's the old 180lbs springs, man those are LOOOOOONG: rolleyes.gif


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:50 PM

and here's the new stuff, bling bling ... boldblue.gif

250lbs springs on threaded collars, adjustable perches: wub.gif


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Posted by: Scott Carlberg Jan 22 2006, 10:50 PM

DAMN Andy, er, SirAndy,


planning on going to the TRACK sometime soon?? beer.gif clap56.gif mueba.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:56 PM

we had some fitting problems on the bilstein shocks. the problem was that the top aluminum spring plate is obviously designed to work with koni shocks.
the center hole for the shockshaft was too small and the top of the plate has a ~1/8 "hump" that will result in not enough thread to secure the nut on top if you use the stock rubber pieces.

we found a workable solution by cutting off about 1/8 of the top mounting piece that is usually screwed on the shaft and holds the lower rubber spacer.
then, we took off the same amount (~1/8) off the top rubber and voila! we got enough thread to fasten the top nut!

here is mark honing out the center hole, using his "special precision" shop equipment: biggrin.gif


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:57 PM

this shows how much of the top rubber needs to be cut off:


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:58 PM

here you can see the part of the top mounting piece that still needs to be cut off to be level with the rubber:


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 10:59 PM

and done (sans the top rubber):


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 11:00 PM

perfect fit! smilie_pokal.gif (with new sway bar hooked up):


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Posted by: redshift Jan 22 2006, 11:00 PM

Screw all that! Let's see it go!!!!

smile.gif


M

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 11:02 PM

artsy shot of mark posing ... gayfight.gif laugh.gif


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Posted by: redshift Jan 22 2006, 11:03 PM

laugh.gif

Ok, that'll do.


M

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 11:05 PM

last for today, butt shot after adjusting the ride height ...

5" in the front, from bottom edge of floor pan
5 1/2" in the rear, from bottom edge of floor pan


trekkor took a quick ride around the block with me, the 250lbs springs feel great!
better actually than my old 180lbs. blink.gif

i'm happy! boldblue.gif

givemebeer.gif Andy


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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 22 2006, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Howard @ Jan 22 2006, 08:44 PM)
Hey Trek, if Andy gets a car that's fast enough, he may be able to keep up with you biggrin.gif

no way! trek is a monster! burnout.gif

Posted by: rick 918-S Jan 22 2006, 11:36 PM

smilie_pokal.gif aktion035.gif driving.gif

Posted by: Root_Werks Jan 23 2006, 10:29 AM

smilie_pokal.gif Cool!

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 28 2006, 11:07 PM

some more babysteps today ...

mark and i scratched our heads long and hard (mine was easier cuz i don't have nearly as much hair as he does) and we came up with a concept for the front mounted oil cooler and the "out the hood" venting of the hot air ...

first, i'd like to mention again that i "hate", yes hate, the idea of dumping any significant amount of additional air under the car. icon8.gif

i don't care if that's how the factory did it. their solution was quick & dirty as they were planning on racing the GTs in '70. they obviously did what got them results quick and without too much work.

additional air under the car *will* create additional lift, especially at higher speeds.

soooooo, i'm opting for a "out the top" solution.

but i also hate those big ass holes in the hood, so i'm going for a more stealth approach.
louvers!

here's a vinyl mockup of where the louvers will be, once painted in body color, they'll be hardly noticeable, but *very* effective! smash.gif




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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 28 2006, 11:07 PM

one more ...




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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 28 2006, 11:10 PM

we also made a cardboard mockup of the oil-cooler and used a small metal rod to mock up the curvature of the air-channel (see green arrows) ...

it'll be a nice and smooth curvature and should give me a good airflow ...
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Posted by: SirAndy Jan 28 2006, 11:12 PM

hopefully, by next weekend, i'll have the cooler and the aluminium panels for the channel/shroud ...

cutting the hood will be fun!
sawzall-smiley.gif smash.gif welder.gif beer3.gif

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 28 2006, 11:22 PM

i have similat bilsein coilover issues. looks like you sorted it out prtty well.


rock! smilie_pokal.gif

Posted by: Jeroen Jan 28 2006, 11:32 PM

I just remembered I promised to measure that front x-member
It's 81,5 cm

Been thinking about louvres too...
I like this look:
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Sure would looks nicer than a big-ass-gaping-hole biggrin.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 29 2006, 12:22 AM

here's a link to a HUGE jpg (1:1 scale) of the shroud/channel outline ...

i'm going to clean this up, run it through adobe streamline and make it a vector graphic EPS.
then, i'll have the shroud lasercut out of aluminum sheet metal ...

WARNING, HUGE IMAGE (5689 x 7564 pixel, 300 dpi) ...
http://www.914world.com/pix/mycar/Oil%20Cooler%20Shroud%20Outline%20small.jpg

type.gif Andy

Posted by: seanery Jan 29 2006, 12:42 AM

Have a real hot rod guy do your louvres, they know how to do them right.

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 29 2006, 12:53 AM

QUOTE (seanery @ Jan 28 2006, 10:42 PM)
Have a real hot rod guy do your louvres, they know how to do them right.

i've already decided on a "how to" ...

i'm going with the "3-cut, bend twice" design ...
sawzall-smiley.gif Andy

Posted by: 0396 Jan 29 2006, 08:43 AM

Andy,

CONGRATS! cool.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 4 2006, 11:03 PM

more "babysteps" ...

got off to a slow start, didn't get to marks until noon-ish. dry.gif

so i decided to just cut out the new front support brackets. mine are shot (dumb PO headbang.gif ) and i got two replacements from John at EASY.
of course he didn't drill out the spotwelds, he just cut the frontend around the pieces i needed,
so i had to drill out all the spotwelds to separate the bracket from the junk ...


here's a before picture (yellow! smile.gif ):



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Posted by: SirAndy Feb 4 2006, 11:04 PM

took like 2 hours to get the two sides separated ...

well, with some BS and coffee breaks included ... chatsmiley.gif beer3.gif


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Posted by: SirAndy Feb 4 2006, 11:05 PM

mark convinced me those would be much nicer all cleaned up, so we started up the bead-blaster box ...

turned out really nice, except, it takes FOREVER ... rolleyes.gif




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Posted by: SirAndy Feb 4 2006, 11:08 PM

and then some primer, so they don't turn into a heap of rust by next weekend.
by the time the blasting was done, it was 6pm. time to call it a day.

i didn't get any of the other parts that i had planned on working with today, so this is going to be a short weekend.

hopefully more progress next week. including welding those babies in place ... welder.gif




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Posted by: SirAndy Feb 4 2006, 11:08 PM

time for some beer3.gif

beerchug.gif Andy

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 4 2006, 11:09 PM

tell us about your hood louvers.



Posted by: SirAndy Feb 4 2006, 11:12 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 4 2006, 09:09 PM)
tell us about your hood louvers.

no progress on those today. but it's all planned out ...

patience grasshopper, patience ....
biggrin.gif Andy

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 4 2006, 11:13 PM

curious in your method...

cut 3x, fold 2x.....


seems like the cut once and louver punch is easier smile.gif


cant wait to see it...

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 4 2006, 11:26 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 4 2006, 09:13 PM)
cut 3x, fold 2x.....

quick and dirty photoshop mockup ...

3 cuts, one long horizontal, two short ones on the side (about 2" total) ...
then, bend front part upwards and bend rear part downwards ...

that way, each cut (louver) has a lip that will create suckage (neg. pressure) ...

this should help with the airflow ...
cool_shades.gif Andy


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Posted by: trekkor Feb 4 2006, 11:31 PM

I almost popped by... driving.gif


KT

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 5 2006, 01:16 PM

QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 4 2006, 09:31 PM)
I almost popped by... driving.gif

we did enough slacking, even without you ...

biggrin.gif Andy

Posted by: jonwatts Feb 6 2006, 09:44 AM

I like the louver idea, but your air funnel looks big enough for a radiator on a V8 car. If you tilt the oil cooler forward a bit then you could have the funnel match the hood line much more closely and recoup more front trunk space. Just a thought, maybe it's just how it looks in the picture, I wasn't there, blah blah blah cool.gif

Mark, congrats on getting Andy to clean his parts smilie_pokal.gif


Posted by: SirAndy Feb 7 2006, 03:36 PM

ok, here's a small JPG of the oil-cooler shroud lineart ...

the original is a Adobe Illustrator EPS in 1:1 size that Mark will use on his plotter to cut a template.

this should be fun ...
type.gif Andy




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Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 7 2006, 06:07 PM

have you thought about making the top / exit wider than the intake?

maybe your doing that in another dimension (Z)

wider louvers 3d..... or deeper in ths 2d plane

Posted by: ppickerell Feb 7 2006, 06:16 PM

Andy,
I may be able to cut your shroud for you if you can supply material. Send me the file when you are ready.

Posted by: McMark Feb 7 2006, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 7 2006, 04:07 PM)
have you thought about making the top / exit wider than the intake?

CFM flow for the hood louvres looks to be much higher than the CFM flow for the cooler. Simply based on surface area the cooler is 21" x 6" (126 sq. in.). Andy's using 3" openings so two 21" openings will equal the surface area of the cooler, and Andy's using three openings. So it's already bigger. PLUS, (yes there's a bonus) the oil cooler obviously isn't going to flow nearly as well as an opening of equal area. BUT the air will expand as it's heated. All in all, I think these three louvres will give more than adequate air flow.

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 7 2006, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (ppickerell @ Feb 7 2006, 04:16 PM)
I may be able to cut your shroud for you if you can supply material. Send me the file when you are ready.

thank you sir, that would be very cool indeed ...

boldblue.gif Andy

Posted by: db9146 Feb 7 2006, 08:50 PM

Has anyone thought about taking the air out via the front wheel wells? Rather than cutting out so much of the wheel wells like is done on most V8 conversions, what about cutting out just enough material out of both sides down low, in line with the cooler, and then build a shroud on the back side of the cooler to "split" the air to either wheel well? This way, you would only lose the bottom 4-5" of the front trunk (and not all of that). You wouldn't be putting any more air under the car, just out the front wheel wells.

Anybody tried this?

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 7 2006, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (db9146 @ Feb 7 2006, 06:50 PM)
You wouldn't be putting any more air under the car, just out the front wheel wells.

you would still create a substantial amount of lift and/or drag, i think ...

btw. i'm not losing all of the front trunk. about 2/3 of the shroud will be attached to the hood and there will be plenty of space (8 sixpacks of beer!) left ...
cool.gif Andy

Posted by: retrotech Feb 9 2006, 04:23 PM

I absolutely agree about dumping air under car, when it isn´t necessary.
I have installed hood louvers on mine. I simply let the air enter into front trunk area, the rear part with tank seals. Since the louvers are in a low pressure area, the air is practically sucked out. I have small deflector at the front edge. I have a 2.8 that is run pretty hard at DE days, always 180-190 drgrees.
Seems like the obvious, best approach to me.

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 18 2006, 11:23 PM

more babysteps but no pictures today ...


got the front swaybar fixed. cut off the old mounting tabs and welded in the new ones.
added the new (shorter) droplinks and verfied that my chassis is bend. headbang.gif

now i will *need* to put it on a celette bench for sure ... rolleyes.gif

i also added the 100mm wheel studs to the front and added 2 3/4" spacers on each side. fills out the wheelwell nicely now, can barely squeeze a finger between the tire and the flare.
boldblue.gif

slow, but progress. plus, after some brainstorming (and pizza! chowtime.gif ) McMark is contemplating to get himself a complete alignment setup in his shop. corner balancing and precision alignment ... can't wait ...
smilie_pokal.gif


tired and thirsty beer3.gif Andy

Posted by: pete-stevers Feb 19 2006, 12:19 AM

Andy what are you doing to the gear box? is it a 901? are you changeing the ratios?

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 19 2006, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (pete-stevers @ Feb 18 2006, 10:19 PM)
Andy what are you doing to the gear box? is it a 901? are you changeing the ratios?

well, i've got a "loaner" 901 that seems to have non stock gearing (dunno what's in there) as well as a spare stock 901.

so, for now, i'm going to blow up 901's ...
biggrin.gif Andy

Posted by: Leo Imperial Mar 21 2006, 08:18 PM

Nice progress smilie_pokal.gif
Looks like you are putting all that knowledge to good use..
and Andy I am sure you had some good ideas too laugh.gif

I can't wait to see it done and getting done. popcorn[1].gif

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 9 2006, 05:06 PM

here's why my project has been kind of on hold for the last few weeks ...
headbang.gif

pondering a few options ...

http://www.sirandy.com/projects/cars/tub.asp

wacko.gif Andy

Posted by: jd74914 Apr 9 2006, 05:41 PM

That sucks Andy dry.gif

Posted by: Leo Imperial Apr 9 2006, 06:07 PM

Andy, I gotta ask. When did you find out that your car had been in an accident? I ask because I would hate for me or anyone else to suffer the same fate. Did you know about any of this when you bought the car?

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM

QUOTE (Leo Imperial @ Apr 9 2006, 04:07 PM)
Andy, I gotta ask. When did you find out that your car had been in an accident? I ask because I would hate for me or anyone else to suffer the same fate. Did you know about any of this when you bought the car?

no, not when i bought it. but i have known about this for quite some time. i knew the car was hit when i started doing the restauration. the signs were obvious then.

just didn't think it was all that bad until we decided to take the tape-measure to it ...

the front axle is off by almost 1 1/2" left/right ...
ohmy.gif Andy

Posted by: trekkor Apr 9 2006, 06:50 PM

Does the car track funny?
i was following you while you were driving and nothing looked crazy.

Does it pull side to side or vibrate?

I say finish the conversion. boldblue.gif


KT

Posted by: Headrage Apr 9 2006, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Apr 9 2006, 04:06 PM)
pondering a few options ...

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Posted by: McMark Apr 9 2006, 10:12 PM

That's worse than I thought Andy. sad.gif

Posted by: Jeroen Apr 10 2006, 04:41 AM

man... that definatly sucks!
what ya gonna do about it?
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Posted by: shoguneagle Apr 27 2006, 08:53 PM

Congrates, Andy. A very nice,, worthwhile project. It makes me jealous!!! I have one question: can a 996 engine be used in the conversion and do the inner suspension tabs have to be changed, moved, etc.; or, a complete new suspension needed. smilie_pokal.gif beerchug.gif beerchug.gif beer3.gif beer3.gif beer3.gif beer3.gif beer3.gif

I am finding it hard to locate a good used 3.0 or 3.6 engine for my conversion. I am considering looking at the 3.6 engine series.

Thanks,
Steve Hurt
shoguneagle@yahoo.com

Posted by: SirAndy May 21 2006, 11:55 PM

steve, my engine is from a '95 993, dunno about a 996 engine ...


this upcoming weeked will be spent un-bending and de-twisting the car on a celette bench! smash.gif

that'll be a major step towards getting the car ready for the big motor ...
aktion035.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2006, 12:00 AM

now that the car is straight again, it was time to get back to the motor conversion task ...


read more about the un-twisting of the tub on the celette bench here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=50809&st=40

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=52631&hl=celette

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=52098&hl=celette



smash.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2006, 12:02 AM

cutting holes for the oil lines for the front mounted cooler ...

yes, that's SAND from the blasting 3 years ago that you see in the pics ...
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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2006, 12:05 AM

and the cutout in the 916 bumper for the air inlet ... it's just a rough cut for now as i'm still waiting for some parts, including the actual cooler ...

in the second pic, you can see the exit holes for the lines where they come through from the pass. compartement ...

beer3.gif Andy



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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2006, 12:17 AM

still waiting for a box of nice and shiny new parts, this is what *should* be here by next weekend ...

- 30 feet of oil-lines
- mocal H-style thermostat
- mocal remote oil filter console
- fluidyne oil cooler
- porsche motorsports oil tank
- rich johnson motor mount


that should keep me busy for a day or two ...
piratenanner.gif Andy

Posted by: jonwatts Jun 25 2006, 01:12 AM

Lookin good

Posted by: Jeroen Jun 25 2006, 04:35 AM

what did you decide on routing your oillines?

I don't like running the lines going through the passenger compartment (with the possibility of turning the car into a frying pan)

And I'm definately NOT going to cut holes in the outer longs (like on the factory GT's)

Posted by: JPB Jun 25 2006, 07:17 AM

Andyman, cool front end man. I have a thing for the GT front end and now covet those chubby fenders. I will deny the evil call of the saws all, no matter how much you tempt me with these porno pics and try to have at leasest one teaner to drive and another to sawzall-smiley.gif away.


beer.gif If it weren't sexy, it woulden't be addicting and that 3.6 tickle spot is just evil.

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2006, 02:10 PM

QUOTE(Jeroen @ Jun 25 2006, 03:35 AM) *

I don't like running the lines going through the passenger compartment (with the possibility of turning the car into a frying pan)

i have a plan ... biggrin.gif

mark and i bounced a lot of ideas around, no matter what route you go, it's never *completely* satisfactory. every way to route the lines we could come up with had some shortcomings.

the only way to get a perfect oil-line routing is to move the cooler to the rear or the engine to the front.
both solutions are not very appealing to me ...

so, i'm going to run the lines along the pass long *inside* the cabin. they'll be insulated and covered. that should do the trick ...

i'll let you know how it turns out
beerchug.gif Andy

Posted by: Andyrew Jun 25 2006, 02:12 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 24 2006, 11:17 PM) *


- 30 feet of oil-lines
- mocal H-style thermostat
- mocal remote oil filter console




How much was that?

Cant wait till your running!!!!

Andrew

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2006, 02:49 PM

QUOTE(Andyrew @ Jun 25 2006, 01:12 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 24 2006, 11:17 PM) *


- 30 feet of oil-lines
- mocal H-style thermostat
- mocal remote oil filter console



How much was that?

i don't have the brakedown in front of me, mark has it on his puter ...

smile.gif Andy

Posted by: McMark Jun 25 2006, 02:57 PM

Roughly $280.

Lines $150
Thermostat $100
Remote Filter $30

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 25 2006, 03:03 PM

here is the most interesting part

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porsche motorsports oil tank


Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2006, 04:04 PM

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here is the most interesting part
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porsche motorsports oil tank



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Posted by: trekkor Jun 25 2006, 06:16 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 25 2006, 01:10 PM) *


so, i'm going to run the lines along the pass long *inside* the cabin. they'll be insulated and covered. that should do the trick ...

i'll let you know how it turns out




That's how I did it. I need to insulate as well. You can feel the heat.

Should have it done soon, too.


KT

Posted by: lapuwali Jun 25 2006, 06:27 PM

So, do you two have any more detail on that tank, yet? I'm leaning heavily towards the DWD tank and OEM-style oil lines (I think the DWD only has the OEM metric fittings), and having someone weld up the feed pipe under the oil cooler for the 30mm fitting.


Posted by: Andyrew Jun 25 2006, 06:30 PM

Thanks mark, I need to know how much to budget for my front oil cooler install.

Posted by: McMark Jun 25 2006, 06:35 PM

James, what's your timeline? It's on order right now and so it should be in very soon and you can come see it in person. It should be a really slick setup for conversions.

Posted by: lapuwali Jun 25 2006, 06:44 PM

I'm hoping to gather all the parts necessary by the end of the summer, so I'm not in a big hurry, just wondering.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jun 25 2006, 06:45 PM

gonna use headers? why not go thru the heater tubes?

should be fine your way too... just make a cool metal cover for them

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2006, 08:22 PM

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gonna use headers? why not go thru the heater tubes?

yes. headers. for now ...

but it's always going to be a street car also. i'd like to be able to get heat in there again one day ...
smile.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 3 2006, 01:23 PM

more stuff got done ...


but first, let me show you one more reason why i think sandblasting your car is not a good idea:

rear wheelbearing, made a nice crunchy noise when turned by hand barf.gif

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now on to some progress ...

new axles with brand new 944 CVs, on top is one of the old stock axles, on the bottom is the new axles, using early 911 hubs (~69-7?), later 911 stub axles (~75-7?), new 944 CVs, modified 914 axle shafts and later 911 output flanges (~75-7?). smash.gif

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and installed with the new (unbend) trailing arms, new koni adjustable shocks and mueller roller bearings. perfect fit, except i'll need a spacer for my big vented carrera rotors ... piratenanner.gif

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driving.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 3 2006, 01:29 PM

front oilcooler testfitting ...


first, the bottom channel with the welded tabs to hold it in place:

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next, the frame the cooler is going to seal against in the front:

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and finally, the first test fitting of the cooler, worked out very nicely:

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and special thanks to McMark for all the help!
beer3.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Sep 3 2006, 01:38 PM

and as a added bonus, here's another pic from one of the oil-line passages ...


gawd, i *hate* sandblasting ... headbang.gif




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Posted by: grantsfo Sep 3 2006, 01:58 PM

Very nice!

Posted by: J P Stein Sep 3 2006, 02:34 PM

That's a gud lookin' oil cooler.....to gud for a 914.
You're supposed to have one of them cheesey black ones on a 914. biggrin.gif

Hummm......I may have offended some one with a cheesey black cooler. It don't count as I'm in shock from trying to chop my finger off.......I'll be back to my normal inoffensive self in a day or 2.

Posted by: xitspd Sep 3 2006, 02:46 PM

Lookin good Andy! Now, That's what I am talkin about!

Dan

Posted by: nebreitling Sep 3 2006, 03:25 PM

looks great, andy. always good to see progress on your car.

Posted by: trekkor Sep 3 2006, 05:29 PM

Progress...Yay!!


KT

Posted by: Cruzing Oct 23 2006, 04:37 PM

SirAndy, I am new here, great project and finish, you have gone to where I wish I could go.. very nice, looking forward to a convertion myself, need all to do all, extra parts I will work for.. smile.gif

great car...smile.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 12:57 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 21 2006, 08:19 PM) *

alright, time to start a conversion thread. i picked up the engine a month ago and started with the prepping of the tub today.

didn't get too much stuff done, oh well, babysteps ...

the ToDo-List (striked-out items are done!):
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i'm going to overhaul the suspension, mount a front oil cooler with fan(s), fix a few spots on the tub the PO had hacked together, add racing seats and 5-point harness, install the 944 axles, the 911 eBrake, the new trailing arms, add a rear sway bar, Mueller roller bearings, new 250lbs springs on adjustable perches, fix the front sway bar, install new rear window, fix the gastank (correctly this time), replace the plastic fuel lines, get a trick porsche motorsports setup for my oiltank, add a vent to the front hood, redo the rear spoiler (ducktail), 100mm wheel studs all around, throw in the 3.6L motor and when all that is done, i'm going to give her a one of a kind paintjob!

oh, and i'm still playing with the idea to have her put on a celette bench to make sure she's straight ...
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ETA: soon enough to run a full season for 2006 2007 !!! ohmy.gif screwy.gif biggrin.gif driving.gif aktion035.gif


got some more stuff done this weekend ... sawzall-smiley.gif smash.gif welder.gif

/4 motor mounts are cut out, so are the brackets for the relay board and mps and some other little schtuff ...
PO's holes and cut-outs have been fixed and re-welded. front oil-cooler shroud and support is done. oil lines are in.

but most importantly, she's got a new motor! piratenanner.gif




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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 01:01 PM

test fitting the motor, ass way up in the air ...




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Posted by: Headrage Dec 3 2006, 01:01 PM

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Posted by: jkeyzer Dec 3 2006, 01:02 PM

Andy, I think you should make that first pic the 914club image of the month (best Christmas present ever!). biggrin.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 01:03 PM

we made a "custom" 993 motor lift so we could balance the motor on a floorjack. worked great!

those will be available in the "914 Resources, Parts and Products" section shortly. $499 plus shipping. smilie_pokal.gif




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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 01:04 PM

first testfit to find the best location for the bulkhead motor mount ...




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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 01:05 PM

cleaning the area for welding ...




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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 01:05 PM

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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 01:06 PM

voila!




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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 01:06 PM

and last pic, with the intake mounted ...




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Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 01:08 PM

the motor will have to come out one more time, but next we're going to hook up all the oil-lines, engine harness, fuel pump etc. get it all good to go, then drop the engine one more time to clean up and respray the engine bay, clean up the motor and tranny and that should be the end of it ...

can't wait to drive her ...
boldblue.gif Andy

Posted by: So.Cal.914 Dec 3 2006, 01:36 PM

Aaaah... WOW?

Posted by: Rotten Robby Dec 3 2006, 01:48 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 3 2006, 11:03 AM) *

we made a "custom" 993 motor lift so we could balance the motor on a floorjack. worked great!

those will be available in the "914 Resources, Parts and Products" section shortly. $499 plus shipping. smilie_pokal.gif


Are these 993 engine lifts going to come with a coupon for a lap dance?

Great job guys! Sorry I missed the fun.

Posted by: trekkor Dec 3 2006, 02:03 PM

Celebration!! clap56.gif

It's going to be nice.


KT

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 3 2006, 02:08 PM

QUOTE(jkeyzer @ Dec 3 2006, 11:02 AM) *

Andy, I think you should make that first pic the 914club image of the month (best Christmas present ever!). biggrin.gif


to make x-mas will be a tight schedule, i was actually aiming for my birthday, which is mid-january ...

either way, i can't wait ...
driving.gif Andy

Posted by: McMark Dec 3 2006, 03:02 PM

I'm surprised and pleased by how well the lift plate worked. Making the motor in and out was EASY. Much easier than I expected. We're on a really good track to make the birthday deadline. wink.gif The oil cooler venting won't be 100% done, but it'll be fine for street driving.

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It's nice to make progress!

Posted by: echocanyons Dec 3 2006, 06:01 PM

Lookin' good! driving.gif

Are the cases the same from late 83-98? Could one use that balance all of the late types of enignes on something like that?

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 31 2007, 12:04 AM

well, what do you know ... i actually got almost a full day of working on the car today.

if mark hadn't forgotten the code for his own garage, i could have gotten even more done ... poke.gif
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turns out, it was actually good to have stepped back from the car for a while.
i'm freshly motivated and at the end of the day, it looked like we're pretty close to get her fired up for the first time.

i'll be putting in two more full days this upcoming week.

can't wait to drive her around the block!
aktion035.gif Andy

Posted by: michelko Mar 31 2007, 01:42 AM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 3 2006, 11:06 AM) *

voila!


Hi ANdy,
is it a common practice not to use the screw holes for the engine mount? I am on the way to weld in my mount and i am not sure if i should use the screw or weld them like you did.

NIce work on your car Hope you can drive soon

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Posted by: markb Mar 31 2007, 02:02 AM

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Posted by: McMark Mar 31 2007, 03:20 AM

If you've got a welder, why bother making extra holes in the body. wink.gif Set it on the lip, center it and ZAP!

Posted by: michelko Mar 31 2007, 04:22 AM

QUOTE(McMark @ Mar 31 2007, 01:20 AM) *

If you've got a welder, why bother making extra holes in the body. wink.gif Set it on the lip, center it and ZAP!


Thats my thougt, but i have no expierience with the rj mount. The instructions says bolt and welding. So you think the welding is enough? It´s also a cleaner installation.

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Posted by: ClayPerrine Mar 31 2007, 07:59 AM

QUOTE(michelko @ Mar 31 2007, 05:22 AM) *

QUOTE(McMark @ Mar 31 2007, 01:20 AM) *

If you've got a welder, why bother making extra holes in the body. wink.gif Set it on the lip, center it and ZAP!


Thats my thougt, but i have no expierience with the rj mount. The instructions says bolt and welding. So you think the welding is enough? It´s also a cleaner installation.

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I got my six mount from Rich Johnson. It was never bolted, just welded. If there is a good welder, the bolts are not needed. Rich said the bolt in is just so you can drivethe car to someone who can weld the mount in for you. And I had the body shop do it while it was there. I even had them weld in the holes for the bolts in for extra strength.

I would have no problem putting a 3.6 on one of these mounts with just a good welding job holding it in.


Posted by: thesey914 Mar 31 2007, 09:38 AM

Michelko, I was considering the same thing, plus I have lost the frickin' inventory list which details the lengths of the bolts to buy. So is it necessary to weld as much around the perimeter? I remember in RJ instructions only a couple of inches long in 2 places are req. ?

Posted by: michelko Mar 31 2007, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(michelko @ Mar 31 2007, 05:22 AM) *

QUOTE(McMark @ Mar 31 2007, 01:20 AM) *

If you've got a welder, why bother making extra holes in the body. wink.gif Set it on the lip, center it and ZAP!


Thats my thougt, but i have no expierience with the rj mount. The instructions says bolt and welding. So you think the welding is enough? It´s also a cleaner installation.

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I got my six mount from Rich Johnson. It was never bolted, just welded. If there is a good welder, the bolts are not needed. Rich said the bolt in is just so you can drivethe car to someone who can weld the mount in for you. And I had the body shop do it while it was there. I even had them weld in the holes for the bolts in for extra strength.

I would have no problem putting a 3.6 on one of these mounts with just a good welding job holding it in.


That makes sense!! Now i have a good feeling on not to use the screws.

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Posted by: michelko Mar 31 2007, 11:08 AM

QUOTE(thesey914 @ Mar 31 2007, 07:38 AM) *

Michelko, I was considering the same thing, plus I have lost the frickin' inventory list which details the lengths of the bolts to buy. So is it necessary to weld as much around the perimeter? I remember in RJ instructions only a couple of inches long in 2 places are req. ?


James,
if you still need the length of the screws i can measure them from the original parts bag for you.

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Posted by: michelko Mar 31 2007, 11:11 AM

Here is an part of the mounting instruction.

Hardware Kit (Optional)

- Two 911 engine mounts.
- Four 8mm X 20mm bolts with spring washers (8) and nylock inserted lock nuts (4).
- Two 911 engine mount safety washers (2.5 inch OD, 13mm ID).
- Two 12mm X 100mm sport mount bolts with two 12mm bottom washers (12mm ID, 25mm OD), two bottom lock washers and two 12mm nylock inserted lock nuts.
- Two 12mm X 60mm bulkhead support mounting bolts with 12mm spring washers (4) and two nylock inserted lock nuts.
- Two 18mm OD, 12mm ID X 1” long crush prevention sleeves.
- Two 12mm X 40mm bulkhead support mounting bolts with 12mm spring washers (4) and two nylock inserted lock nuts.
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Posted by: SirAndy Mar 31 2007, 11:17 AM

QUOTE(thesey914 @ Mar 31 2007, 07:38 AM) *

So is it necessary to weld as much around the perimeter?


probably overkill, but while you're in there and the welder is still hot, why not.
it's only $0.27 in gas and wire ...

welder.gif Andy

Posted by: thesey914 Apr 2 2007, 07:29 AM

Thanks michelko, I'm going to bolt + weld. I'd just like to have belt & braces + my welder is only 130amp and would struggle at anything above 3mm. I reckon by 'dipping' into the bulkhead + the steel plate I could weld it very solidly -just would have this nagging doubt.

Posted by: thesey914 Apr 2 2007, 12:46 PM

Another thing I noticed was you also have had to grind a bit off the mount to clear the firewall shift linkage flange, have the tail shift cars had to do this?




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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 2 2007, 03:35 PM

QUOTE(thesey914 @ Apr 2 2007, 10:46 AM) *

Another thing I noticed was you also have had to grind a bit off the mount to clear the firewall shift linkage flange, have the tail shift cars had to do this?


nope, my mount was already notched in that area to make it fit early cars, didn't have to grind anything ...
bye1.gif Andy

Posted by: McMark Apr 2 2007, 04:37 PM

To repeat what Andy said, that mount is universal and doesn't require griding. Drop it in place and weld it.

Posted by: thesey914 Apr 2 2007, 05:55 PM

Maybe I have an early version -I had to grind mine. Not a big deal, but something that could do with amending

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 3 2007, 11:59 PM

another full day of car work. well, sort of. if McMark hadn't called me around 10am and woke me up, i would have slept all day ... biggrin.gif

i went to a show last night and got home around 5:30am ... drunk.gif aktion035.gif

anyways, here are a few pics from today. we'll be putting in another full day tomorrow ...
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fixing the headlight supports. needs to be done before we build the oil-cooler shroud because once that is in, you won't be able to access that area anymore.

all cleaned up and in primer:

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the replacement supports, painted with guards red touchup paint:

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all nice new paint and someone's ugly head:

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antenna hole patch, note the layers of bondo & paint. we counted 6 coats of bondo/primer/paint! blink.gif

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leaky rear window removed, needs some cleanup before the new window goes in. the PO had used RTV ... headbang.gif

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cracked windshield removed, the new one will be installed this weekend:

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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 4 2007, 12:09 AM

we decided to mount the FI brain for the 3.6L in the front of the car, under the pass. side dash.

we cut a hole in the firewall and used the stock 993 engine harness and grommets. the wires will run on top of the center tunnel, but hidded under a custom tray and the console, the brain will be mounted flush under the passanger side dash.

here are a few pics from the test-fitting ...

harness going through the firewall:

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running on top of the center tunnel:

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and the brain under the dashboard. the final mounting will be higher and out of the way:

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and the view from the engine side of things:

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more pics tomorrow ...

Vielen Dank, Herr McMark!
pray.gif Andy

Posted by: Hammy Apr 4 2007, 04:03 AM

Andy, very cool. I like the brain mount.
Glad to see you and Mark getting near firing her up....
looks great.

Posted by: DEC Apr 5 2007, 12:03 PM

Good job, Andy clap56.gif

I like this kind of work. piratenanner.gif


Posted by: SirAndy Apr 5 2007, 02:38 PM

more pics ... boldblue.gif


the money shot:

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fixing the rollcage. removed old tabs and welded in new ones:

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rear window channel primed and painted, ready for the new window:

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windshield channel cleaned, primed and painted. the new windshield is supposed to be delievered on sunday:

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Posted by: Justinp71 Apr 5 2007, 02:42 PM

Andy-
It looks like you have the 911 dash. Can we see some pics of that, where did you get the carbon fiber dash from?


Posted by: SirAndy Apr 5 2007, 02:48 PM

we came up with something special for mounting the oil thermostat. stirthepot.gif


first, we were planning on just running the oil lines through the rear firewall and mount the thermostat upfront.
but no matter how we were looking at it, the routing through the firewall (it's double-walled down low) just did not look clean.
so we thought about adding some sort of hard tubing between the double wall and have permanent fittings on each side.

well, looking at the thermostat, we already had what we wanted, so all we needed was to come up with an idea on how to mount it. idea.gif

McMark made a steel box while i was cutting the tub. the box is just big enough to hold the thermostat.
the box will be welded into the tub and one side has a cover. the thermostat slides inside and the end-cover holds it firmly in place when attached.
the box is at an 45 deg. angle, which allows us to use 45 deg. fittings on each side which will have the lines run parallel to the longs towards the front and parallel to the firewall in the back.
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the holes:
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test fitting the assembly. the box will be seamwelded into the tub:
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welder.gif wub.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 5 2007, 02:52 PM

QUOTE(Justinp71 @ Apr 5 2007, 12:42 PM) *

It looks like you have the 911 dash. Can we see some pics of that, where did you get the carbon fiber dash from?


yes. it's from Getty Design. do a search here, there was a post quite a while ago with tons of pictures ....
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Posted by: r_towle Apr 5 2007, 04:35 PM

so,
from what I can tell, you have no 914 to drive this year....yet.

and then you will have two 914/6...one will be factory CW and one will be OMG fast.

Rich

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 5 2007, 05:56 PM

QUOTE(r_towle @ Apr 5 2007, 02:35 PM) *

and then you will have two 914/6...one will be factory CW and one will be OMG fast.


that is in fact the plan ...
biggrin.gif Andy

Posted by: grantsfo Apr 6 2007, 07:56 AM

Great work Andy! Looks like it is turning out very nice. That car is going to be wicked fast.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Apr 6 2007, 03:44 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 5 2007, 04:56 PM) *


that is in fact the plan ...
biggrin.gif Andy



O brother, where art thou? biggrin.gif

the 914-6 GT cause calleth!

pete

P.S. I now have red 914 envy....that cooling line setup alone is KILLIN me!
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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 9 2007, 01:58 PM

the mufflers arrived! piratenanner.gif

many, many thanks to dan callicott from http://www.5five5.com/. pray.gif
i owe you a few nice cold brewskies ... beer.gif


me likes shiny parts ...
wub.gif Andy


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Posted by: r_towle Apr 9 2007, 02:33 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 9 2007, 03:58 PM) *

the mufflers arrived! piratenanner.gif

many, many thanks to dan callicott from http://www.5five5.com/. pray.gif
i owe you a few nice cold brewskies ... beer.gif


me likes shiny parts ...
wub.gif Andy


I think you are an AI program who has successfully gone out on the Internet and created this story about a 914 with a motor from another car based upon some pictures you found at many different web site...

I think that a live shot, video and possibly some audio of the engine and your imaginary friend McMark would help to disprove these allegations...

Rich

Posted by: Eric Taylor Apr 9 2007, 04:54 PM

Andy - I love the way that thermostat is going to give you a clean look. I was wondering how the thermostat works though. Is is regulated by the temperature of the oil or the air out side it? I guess the way you did it would make me think oil, but I'm not sure

Eric

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 9 2007, 05:05 PM

QUOTE(Eric Taylor @ Apr 9 2007, 02:54 PM) *

Andy - I love the way that thermostat is going to give you a clean look. I was wondering how the thermostat works though. Is is regulated by the temperature of the oil or the air out side it? I guess the way you did it would make me think oil, but I'm not sure


yes, oil it is. it has a bypass valve, so when the oil is cold, it goes back to the tank right away. once it reaches a certain temperature (i *think* 175), it'll open and let the oil flow through the front cooler.

i've seen a lot of different installs, most people put the thermostat in the front trunk, near the cooler.
to me, that didn't make much sense. you're pushing a lot of cold oil around with that setup.
i think the thermostat should be as close to the engine as possible. less cold oil to push around and quicker response time to a warming up motor ...

bye1.gif Andy

Posted by: GTeener Apr 10 2007, 06:55 PM

clap56.gif Looks like you're making good progress. Congrats and thanks for sharing beerchug.gif

Posted by: Eric Taylor Apr 10 2007, 07:02 PM

Thanks for the reply andy- I was thinking about the engine warmth the same way you were, but I also had seen most of them mounted in the front trunk. Good to know, to me it would make sense to mount it closer to the enginge for optimal oil cooling too.
Eric

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 19 2007, 01:00 AM

moah pix ... piratenanner.gif


got the thermostat box all welded in and primed and painted:

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test fitting of the mufflers:

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more progress tomorrow ... time for a few brewskies ...
beerchug.gif Andy

Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 19 2007, 08:58 AM

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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 25 2007, 10:46 PM

got some more stuff done, just for the giggles, here's the current "todo" list ... huh.gif



Engine Swap Related Work *

Electrical *

Add fuel pump wiring. *
Test fit engine wiring harness. *
Mount ECU. *

Oil *

Fabricate oil cooler exit ducting. *
Weld in oil cooler inlet floor. *
Mount oil thermostat. *

Fuel *

Hook up fuel lines. *
Fabricate fuel filter mount. *
Fuel pump mount mods. *

Engine *

Test fit engine tin, and modify as necessary. *
Install breather plugs. *
Install 3.2 intake elbow. *
Install cam covers. *
Install throttle cable. *
Install new valve cover gaskets. *
Change engine oil and replace on engine filter. *
Install Headers/Exhaust/Muffler *
machine 914 flywheel ringear to fit 993 flywheel *
clean *

Transmission *

clean *
fix leaking speedo angle drive *
change oil (swepco) *
add JWest shifter set *
fabricate shiftrod *
notch for flywheel sensor *


Other Work *

Weld cage. Reweld cut joints (sleeves?) *
reweld Cage to targa bar attachment plates. *
Seam-Weld front suspension mounts. *
Alignment *
Check torque on all suspension, brake, etc bolts and nuts. *
Corner Balance *
Install front strut inserts. *
Fabricate tray for fire extinguisher *
Fix broken front trunk release cable *
Add JWest fuse block *
Add H4 100W headlights *
Add JWest Flasher upgrade *
Add Camp Euro Turnsignal kit *
Add Camp Pilot light kit *
Install 5-point harness *
Mount and reseal new rear window *
Install missing grommet for fuelline at the firewall *
Get tank repaired, boiled, cleaned and powedercoated *
Check inner CV joints bolt thread-depth *
Seam sealer for drivers side rear fender to trunk *
weld in hood shock mounts *
weld cracked door brace on drivers side *
weld in door strap support on pass. side *
install 9/11 GT flares *
Install Front Windshield *
Clean mounting flange *
redo gauge wiring *
weld stamped floorpan holes shut *
remove air hoses behind rockers *
weld up holes for air hoses (routed behind the rockers) *
weld in antenna cable hole *
Weld in front suspension support bar. *
Weld in antenna hole cover *
Clean up weld spots on firewall *
Weld in headlight bucket supports *
straighten floorpan *
weld in brackets for the new ECU harness *



Shopping List *

Hose Mount Brackets *
Oil Inlet O-Ring * PN: 999.707.316.40 *
Six Cylinder Tach *
Distributor Belt * PN: 930.602.134.00 *
Distributor Vent * PN: 993.602.121.00 *
Black rubber windshield frame kit - ordered 04.03 *
electrical plug connectors for gauges *
set of front roller bearings *
Get additional rubber grommet for main harness @ engine shelf - EASY? *
felt tank pads *
Buthyl (sp?) kit for mounting the new rear window *
Spark Plug End *
JWest Shifter - ordered 04.02 *
Fuel Filter Fittings - do we need a second filter? *
Throttle Cable End *
Muffler(s) - shipped 04/04 *
Fuel Pump Fittings *
get new windshield - ordered 04.03 *
AN Fittings - ordered 04.18 *
Race Approved Roll Bar Padding *

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 26 2007, 09:37 PM

moah pix!

it's amazing what a bit of touchup paint can do for the looks of things!
front trunk all straight, welded, cleaned, primered and painted with rattle can guards red ...

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from the front:

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oil cooler installed permanently and oil-lines attached:

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sawzall-smiley.gif welder.gif smash.gif beer3.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 26 2007, 09:40 PM

routing the lines inside the cabin to the rear firewall with the thermostat in the box:

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stirthepot.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 26 2007, 09:42 PM

3.6L FI-Brain mounted under the dash and cutout for the door for the 993 fuelpump location:

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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 26 2007, 09:43 PM

993 brain/engine harness routing. we welded in metal tabs to hold down the harness ...

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chowtime.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 26 2007, 09:45 PM

and a view from the engine bay side of things. engine bay was primered and painted with rattle can guards red touchup paint.

you can see the 993 harness coming through the firewall as well as the two oil-line outlets (blocked off with red caps) on the thermostat box.

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Posted by: mikelsr Apr 26 2007, 09:50 PM

What type of oil lines are you using? Are those -16's or -12's fittings?

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 26 2007, 10:43 PM) *

993 brain/engine harness routing. we welded in metal tabs to hold down the harness ...

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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 26 2007, 09:57 PM

QUOTE(mikelsr @ Apr 26 2007, 07:50 PM) *

What type of oil lines are you using? Are those -16's or -12's fittings?


-12

bye1.gif Andy

Posted by: mikelsr Apr 26 2007, 09:58 PM

And the lines themselves?

Thanks

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 26 2007, 10:57 PM) *

QUOTE(mikelsr @ Apr 26 2007, 07:50 PM) *

What type of oil lines are you using? Are those -16's or -12's fittings?


-12

bye1.gif Andy


Posted by: horizontally-opposed Apr 26 2007, 10:13 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 26 2007, 08:40 PM) *

routing the lines inside the cabin to the rear firewall with the thermostat in the box:

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stirthepot.gif Andy


Eggs-cellent oil line routing. Fry the passenger, not the driver!

And much better than the awkward, toasty GT/916 oil-lines-as-dead-pedal setup. clap56.gif

Curious on the blue rubber AN lines, though. Never seen em. Cheaper than braided? Easier to work with? Gee, I supposed factory oil lines are rubber and last a little while... idea.gif

pete

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 26 2007, 10:15 PM

QUOTE(mikelsr @ Apr 26 2007, 07:58 PM) *

And the lines themselves?


OD is 1", not sure about the ID ...

i just happen to dislike the stainless steel braided stuff, so i went with the plain lines instead ...
beerchug.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 26 2007, 10:19 PM

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Apr 26 2007, 08:13 PM) *

Eggs-cellent oil line routing. Fry the passenger, not the driver!

And much better than the awkward, toasty GT/916 oil-lines-as-dead-pedal setup. clap56.gif

Curious on the blue rubber AN lines, though. Never seen em. Cheaper than braided? Easier to work with? Gee, I supposed factory oil lines are rubber and last a little while... idea.gif


yes, blue rubber lines are cheaper and easier to work with. a bit more flexible too. and i happen to hate them braided lines, so ...

as for the routing, i'm planning on making a aluminum cover plate for the cabin to go over the hoses and i'll put some insulation behind the cover as well.
that should do the trick.

plus, i don't plan on being a passanger in my car too often ...
biggrin.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 27 2007, 12:06 AM

for those interested, here's a PDF with info on the oil-hose system used ...

http://www.914world.com/uploads/4281_b1.pdf (800k)

the blue hose is their "836 Hi-Temp, Heat-Resistant Hose"
operating range: up to 250 psi, 300 deg. F
burst pressure: 1000 psi

that should be plenty good ...
piratenanner.gif Andy

Posted by: McMark Apr 27 2007, 03:08 AM

3/4" ID which corresponds to AN-12.

Posted by: db9146 Apr 27 2007, 09:45 AM

Glad to hear you're going to run a cover over the lines.....thoughts of hot oil spewing all over the inside of the car with you in it sounds too much like a Fry Daddy for me to be too comfortable w/o one.

Sort of like a Fry Andy instead!!!! chairfall.gif w00t.gif

Posted by: DrifterJay Apr 27 2007, 01:12 PM

I have a 6 tach lying around...if ya need it...

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 27 2007, 01:20 PM

QUOTE(DrifterJay @ Apr 27 2007, 11:12 AM) *

I have a 6 tach lying around...if ya need it...


thanks for the offer man. beerchug.gif

but i already ordered a autometer with a shiftlight ...
smile.gif Andy

Posted by: DrifterJay Apr 27 2007, 01:23 PM

Cool beans...I need to do the same...I am putting an 8 in mine..

Posted by: grantsfo Apr 27 2007, 01:53 PM

Looking great! Curious are those lines fire resistant?

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 27 2007, 02:11 PM

QUOTE(grantsfo @ Apr 27 2007, 11:53 AM) *

Curious are those lines fire resistant?


my guess is no more or less than the factory rubber oil-lines.

interestingly enough, none of the typical raceshop outlets mention anything about "fire resistant" with their braided stainless oil-lines either.

both use a similar elastomer as the main component, so i'm not sure a thin layer of stainless mesh on the outside would help much in case of direct contact with flames.
both, the braided lines and the plain lines have the same max. operating temperatur (~300F), i'm guessing both will simply melt the elastomer when exposed to much higher temperatures (flames) ...

also keep in mind that both types have another inner layer of braided mesh sandwiched between the inner rubber and the outer rubber ...
cool_shades.gif Andy

Posted by: McMark Apr 27 2007, 03:23 PM

QUOTE(db9146 @ Apr 27 2007, 08:45 AM) *

Glad to hear you're going to run a cover over the lines.....thoughts of hot oil spewing all over the inside of the car with you in it sounds too much like a Fry Daddy for me to be too comfortable w/o one.

Sort of like a Fry Andy instead!!!! chairfall.gif w00t.gif


That reminds me of the cornballer!

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RIP Arrested Development. sad.gif

Posted by: John Apr 27 2007, 03:54 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 27 2007, 12:11 PM) *


my guess is no more or less than the factory rubber oil-lines.

interestingly enough, none of the typical raceshop outlets mention anything about "fire resistant" with their braided stainless oil-lines either.

both use a similar elastomer as the main component, so i'm not sure a thin layer of stainless mesh on the outside would help much in case of direct contact with flames.
both, the braided lines and the plain lines have the same max. operating temperatur (~300F), i'm guessing both will simply melt the elastomer when exposed to much higher temperatures (flames) ...

also keep in mind that both types have another inner layer of braided mesh sandwiched between the inner rubber and the outer rubber ...
cool_shades.gif Andy



Maybe it's just me, but I like to use hydraulic hose. In -12 size it is $4.55/foot.






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Posted by: SirAndy Apr 27 2007, 04:02 PM

QUOTE(John @ Apr 27 2007, 01:54 PM) *

Maybe it's just me, but I like to use hydraulic hose. In -12 size it is $4.55/foot.


i dunno, i would assume that by the time you see 12000 psi in your cooler circuit, your engine has probably already turned to dust ...

seems like overkill to me.
cool_shades.gif Andy

Posted by: John Apr 27 2007, 04:22 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 27 2007, 02:02 PM) *


seems like overkill to me.
cool_shades.gif Andy



Yup.

So does a 3.6 in a 914... poke.gif

I like to call it "peace of mind".

Your car is looking good. Do you have an ETA?

Posted by: thesey914 Apr 27 2007, 04:23 PM

Although the burst value of the hose is very high, what kind of pressure causes the hose to blow off the barbed fitting?

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 27 2007, 04:49 PM

QUOTE(thesey914 @ Apr 27 2007, 02:23 PM) *

Although the burst value of the hose is very high, what kind of pressure causes the hose to blow off the barbed fitting?


the blue hose is rated for up to 250 psi ... meaning, it's still safe to operate at 250 psi.

should be plenty ... if not, you'll read about it here first ...
stirthepot.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 27 2007, 04:51 PM

QUOTE(John @ Apr 27 2007, 02:22 PM) *

Your car is looking good. Do you have an ETA?


yeah, i do. but that SOB keeps changing!
biggrin.gif Andy

PS: i *really* want to drive it down to the AR. so, that's what, 5 more weeks?

Posted by: SirAndy May 5 2007, 07:42 PM

while i was in there ... unsure.gif


the wiring for the gauges was always a bit messy (the 911 dash requires rerouting some of the original wiring) so i decided now was the time to do it right.

i got a bunch of electrical connectors and added a connector (9 pin) to each gauge.
then i extended the existing wires and added connectors as well.

now i have a quick disconnect for each gauge and plenty of wire length to take them out of the dash.

i used color coded wires where possible (out of a old harness) and put labels on all the important wires and numbered the connectors.



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now i can reinstall the dash and put in the new windshield ...
piratenanner.gif Andy

Posted by: McMark May 13 2007, 08:03 PM

 I wonder when Andy is going to finish his car? 




biggrin.gif Just trying out my new smilie.

Posted by: r_towle May 13 2007, 08:06 PM

its not a real car...its all AI

Posted by: McMark May 24 2007, 02:49 PM

Serial Number 64R01165

Posted by: McMark May 24 2007, 07:28 PM

Engine tin finished and ready for powdercoating ... piratenanner.gif


I started with a set of patrick motorsports reproduction 914-6 engine tin.
I knew it would have to be modified to fit the 3.6L, but i have to say, for the price i paid, i was very disappointed with the overall quality of the tin.

- First, it arrived all bend and banged up. WTF.gif

- Second, the edges were just left unfinished after cutting the metal, so all pieces had razor sharp edges. icon8.gif
I had to file down all the tin pieces before we even got to work on making it fit ...

- Third, the fitting is poor. On one side, there's a 1/4" gap where the two pieces are supposed to butt against each other! mad.gif

Patrick says that the tin will fit the 3.6L with some minor modifications. I'm not sure what they're smoking, but it must be pretty strong stuff.
We had to do some very creative sheetmetal bending, warping, hammering, welding, drilling and riveting ...
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poke.gif Andy (from McMark's shop)


And here's the end result:

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Posted by: SirAndy May 24 2007, 09:59 PM

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Posted by: PRS914-6 May 24 2007, 10:02 PM

Andy, it looks good. It's a lot of work to do it right. It took me a weekend to get mine done. You can use the 993 OEM sheetmetal in the back if you have it. A little trimming and a few tack welds. It allows the air flow to go the proper direction and not bleed out the back. Look at the bottom piece of this picture.....
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Posted by: SirAndy May 24 2007, 10:17 PM

QUOTE(PRS914-6 @ May 24 2007, 08:02 PM) *

Andy, it looks good. It's a lot of work to do it right. It took me a weekend to get mine done. You can use the 993 OEM sheetmetal in the back if you have it. A little trimming and a few tack welds. It allows the air flow to go the proper direction and not bleed out the back. Look at the bottom piece of this picture.....



hey paul, yes, i used the two original side pieces in the back. i just didn't put them in the picture as they're not part of the 914-6 sheetmetal.

i cut both of those pieces to be individual and didn't tack them onto the 914-6 sheetmetal.
that part went smooth. which i can't say about the rest of the tin.

3 days worth of custom fab work in that tin!
blink.gif Andy

PS: i used the stock 993 grommet holes for the plug wires and the sensor wires and just rivited them into the sheetmetal.
i'm also using the patrick throttle cable, which allowed me to use the existing throttle cable hole in the tin. no need to add another 1" hole ...

PPS: how was the initial fitting on your tin? idea.gif

Posted by: PRS914-6 May 24 2007, 11:28 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 24 2007, 09:17 PM) *


PPS: how was the initial fitting on your tin? idea.gif


Andy, I'm assuming you are asking how it fit when the engine went in the car? The answer to that is "no problems" The rubber around the perimeter of the engine bay connected perfectly and the gap beteeen the tin and rear suspension arm areas were equal so I was pretty happy when it was all test fit.

BTW, I used a Rich Johnson mount and it allows some adjustment but it didn't really need any.

Now if you are asking how it fit on the engine when I first bought it, that is a different story. Like you it was 2 days of work.....The side pieces were the only ones that were close.

Posted by: SirAndy May 30 2007, 02:35 AM

got some more stuff done today ... smilie_pokal.gif


McMark installed the new koni (yellow) adjustable shocks while i was grinding away in the engine comp. smash.gif

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we also installed the transmission portion of the JWest Sideshift-Kit,
a separate thread about that can be found here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=72363
sawzall-smiley.gif smash.gif thumb3d.gif


in addition, i (wet) sanded down my carbon-fiber dashboard with 500 grit to clean up some of the ugly spots that have bugged me ever since i got it from getty ...
it's going to the paintshop tomorrow to get cleaned, sprayed with a few coats of clear and polished ...
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and lastly, i started with the prepp-work for the firewall portion of the JWest Sideshift-Kit. more about that later ...

i'm tired now ...
yellowsleep[1].gif Andy

Posted by: McMark May 30 2007, 02:53 AM

It appears Andy had a 100% failure rate on his used old shocks. The fronts LITERALLY fell apart during removal (kinda like the rears). Those puppies were not doing ANYTHING near what they should have been. Andy is gonna be ripping up the AX course at the WCR. driving.gif

We are very close! boldblue.gif

Posted by: SirAndy May 31 2007, 11:33 PM

today was fuelpump day ... drunk.gif

the 993 fuelpump does not suck, so it needs to be mounted close to the tank and *underneath*.


first pic is the stock 993 fuel line. all i need is the fitting to the pump, so i cut off the rest and made a nice flared end.

original line:
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then i mounted the pump to the fuel-door and added the hard lines and the wiring:
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backside:
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and finally, mounted in the car:
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stirthepot.gif Andy

Posted by: So.Cal.914 May 31 2007, 11:45 PM

I like the fuel pump setup, Very Trick.

Posted by: John Jun 1 2007, 12:47 AM

Looks like your car is getting right along. Any update (or narrowing down) on an ETA?

I'll bet you are pretty anxious to drive it.

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 1 2007, 11:43 AM

QUOTE(John @ May 31 2007, 10:47 PM) *

What's up with that fuel hose that clearly states:
NOT FOR FUEL INJECTION?


:BUSTED:

it's the wrong hose ...
rolleyes.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 6 2007, 10:47 PM

tranny cleanup is DONE ... piratenanner.gif

- cleaned off all oil/grime

- new output flange seals
- new shifter console seals
- new speedo angle drive o-ring and seal
- new main shaft seal
- re-greased throwout bearing

- added JWest shifter kit

stirthepot.gif Andy

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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 6 2007, 10:52 PM

replaced the drive-belt in the twin-plug distributor. those are wear-items and should be replaced on a regular bases.

the ozon created by the spark eats away the rubber of the belt. belt failure can be catastrophic for your engine. (just ask Bill P. icon8.gif )

i also added a additional vent-kit for the second dizzy. cheap insurance ..

smash.gif Andy


McMark taking it apart:

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done, with old belt as reference:

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second vent-kit installed:

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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 6 2007, 10:56 PM

i'm going for stainless fuel-lines in the engine compartment.
the 3.6L has the fuel rail inlet on the drivers side, so i needed to route around the backside.

the fuel filter will be mounted on a custom bracket on the drivers side long ...

sawzall-smiley.gif Andy

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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 6 2007, 10:58 PM

the 911 dash turned out really nice. the picture doesn't do it much justice ...

i wet-sanded the top to get it really smooth and then brandon from altissimo put a few coats of clear on it.
it turned out schweet and the CF has a really nice 3D texture to it ...

smilie_pokal.gif Andy

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Posted by: So.Cal.914 Jun 6 2007, 11:00 PM

A thing of beauty.

Posted by: rick 918-S Jun 6 2007, 11:01 PM

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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 6 2007, 11:01 PM

and the last for today, McMark powdercoated the engine tin and i put it on the motor ...

it looks VERY nice!
beerchug.gif Andy

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Posted by: Dr. Roger Jun 6 2007, 11:33 PM

Wow! drooley.gif clap56.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 11 2007, 03:03 AM

more updates ... drunk.gif


- JWest shifter kit install, separate threads can be found here:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=72363
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=72775

- freshly redone CF dash installed
- new windshield installed
- brakes bled
- fixed faulty adapter harness between the stock harness and the 3.6L engine
- reinstalled seatbelts and seats.
- worked out additional wiring issues (3.6L related)
- re-torqued all suspension components
- cleaned and sealed gas-tank

w00t2.gif Andy


felt added to the dashframe to clean up the areas where the CF dash had to be cut for the rollcage ...
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gauges installed!
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tim, the glass guy, installing the windshield:
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beau-ti-ful wub.gif
i went for the black rubber trim. here you can see it taped down until the gooy stuff has dried ...
prevents them edges from peeling off later.
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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jun 11 2007, 09:42 AM

drooley.gif , plain & simple. Pushed out my front wheels on the six as you suggested. Mean looking & handles like.. well, you know biggrin.gif .


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Posted by: jaminM3 Jun 19 2007, 06:19 PM

How about an update Andy?
I saw your car in the pictures of the WCR, so we know it's done, or at least running and driveable...

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 19 2007, 08:27 PM

QUOTE(jaminM3 @ Jun 19 2007, 04:19 PM) *

How about an update Andy?
I saw your car in the pictures of the WCR, so we know it's done, or at least running and driveable...


update will come later this week. yes, it's running! piratenanner.gif

there's a few things that need to be sorted out. the off idle is rough and it doesn't want to drop the rpm right away when you let off the gas, there's a 1 second delay.
got some minor oil seepage on one line.

i also need to change the oil after the weekend as well as the two filters. flushing the system after the initial shakedown run.

re-torque all the bolts. mount the fuel pump permanently.

you know, little things like that. biggrin.gif


by the end of the weekend, i felt pretty comfortable. the engine has GOBS of power once you hit the cams (which is pretty early).

i let quite a bit of smoke out of my 225 street tires ...
stirthepot.gif Andy

Posted by: Headrage Jun 19 2007, 09:02 PM

I like the mounting the fuel pump in the passenger floorboard approach,,,, biggrin.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 19 2007, 09:39 PM

QUOTE(Headrage @ Jun 19 2007, 07:02 PM) *

I like the mounting the fuel pump in the passenger floorboard approach,,,, biggrin.gif


i wanted to make sure i was the first to get gas in his eyes if for some odd reason my homemade loctite seals didn't work out ...
biggrin.gif

luckily, the pump stayed dry with no leaks!
piratenanner.gif Andy

Posted by: Headrage Jun 19 2007, 09:42 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 19 2007, 07:39 PM) *

luckily, the pump stayed dry with no leaks!
piratenanner.gif Andy


Excellent!!! thumb3d.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 24 2007, 03:12 PM

today is the day. i'm gonna clean her up and drive her HOME !!! boldblue.gif

for the first time in over a year, the car will be out of the shop ...

got my upgraded AAA card with me, just in case ...
biggrin.gif Andy

Posted by: 396 Jun 24 2007, 10:15 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 24 2007, 02:12 PM) *

today is the day. i'm gonna clean her up and drive her HOME !!! boldblue.gif

for the first time in over a year, the car will be out of the shop ...

got my upgraded AAA card with me, just in case ...
biggrin.gif Andy



Congrats and ENJOY beerchug.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2007, 12:09 AM

oh, the joy of having a running car again ... wub.gif


i know "you can never have enough power" but for now, i'm more than happy with how the car feels & drives.
i got *plenty* of power through all gears, once it hits the cams, it's just ripping until it hits the rev limiter. and still wants to go at that point ...

i've gotta be careful, having over 1000 lbs less to schlepp around than a stock 993, that motor seems like a real handful in a 914.

today, on the way back from napa, i took the 37 onramp (nice radius that gets a bit tighter towards the end), feathered in throttle coming out of the turn and then went down to full throttle (i was already in 4th) and BAM, rear goes a bit sideways, i stay on the throttle and correct with the steering and by the time the car is straight again, i'm already hitting 100 ...

ohmy.gif huh.gif biggrin.gif piratenanner.gif Andy

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jun 25 2007, 06:56 AM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 25 2007, 02:09 AM) *

oh, the joy of having a running car again ... wub.gif


i know "you can never have enough power" but for now, i'm more than happy with how the car feels & drives.
i got *plenty* of power through all gears, once it hits the cams, it's just ripping until it hits the rev limiter. and still wants to go at that point ...

i've gotta be careful, having over 1000 lbs less to schlepp around than a stock 993, that motor seems like a real handful in a 914.

today, on the way back from napa, i took the 37 onramp (nice radius that gets a bit tighter towards the end), feathered in throttle coming out of the turn and then went down to full throttle (i was already in 4th) and BAM, rear goes a bit sideways, i stay on the throttle and correct with the steering and by the time the car is straight again, i'm already hitting 100 ...

ohmy.gif huh.gif biggrin.gif piratenanner.gif Andy



happy11.gif ! To quote Darth Siddious: "ABSOLUTE POWER"! smilie_pokal.gif


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Posted by: smokey Jun 25 2007, 07:07 AM

WOW andy. The storys u have been talking about have been just as great as the pics. I cant wait 4 my conversion to be done . 3.2 . smilie_pokal.gif I will not have as much as u , but very very close.I know u will still be able to smoke the smokey; Great update on the ride . I can say 4 everyone. keep the road storys comen. Rick


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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2007, 05:30 PM

a few more pics, this was at McMark's shop on thursday before the WCR ... talk about last minute ... rolleyes.gif


bleeding the brakes:

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oil line routing:

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custom flywheel adapter to use the 901 clutch and pressureplate with the 993 flywheel:

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McMark and Tim installing the custom intake boot (elbow is from a mustang):

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another closeup:

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the underside:

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smash.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2007, 06:13 PM

and finally, here are a few pics and video from the WCR. the first time out in over a year ...

piratenanner.gif Andy

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"idleing ..."

High Quality (~2 MB)
http://www.914world.com/events/wcr2007/Videos/WCR%202007%20-%20Ideling.wmv


"Saturday afternoon at the hotel":

High Quality (~20 MB)
http://www.914world.com/events/wcr2007/Videos/WCR%202007%20-%20Part%201%20(high).wmv

Low Quality (~3 MB)
http://www.914world.com/events/wcr2007/Videos/WCR%202007%20-%20Part%201%20(low).wmv


"Sunday drive along the coast up Hwy 1"

High Quality (~49.3 MB)
http://www.914world.com/events/wcr2007/Videos/WCR%202007%20-%20Part%202%20(high).wmv

Low Quality (~11.7 MB)
http://www.914world.com/events/wcr2007/Videos/WCR%202007%20-%20Part%202%20(low).wmv


"The sunday drive (race) through the woods and sonoma backroads ..."

High Quality (~105 MB)
http://www.914world.com/events/wcr2007/Videos/WCR%202007%20-%20Part%203%20(high).wmv

Low Quality (~14.3 MB)
http://www.914world.com/events/wcr2007/Videos/WCR%202007%20-%20Part%203%20(low).wmv

Posted by: Rand Jun 25 2007, 06:22 PM

Congrats Andy. I now pronounce your car to be in the top five of all-time 914 club world history in lust value. smilie_pokal.gif
Couldn't be in better hands.
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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jun 25 2007, 06:22 PM

Andy, if I may ask, where did you get/manufacture/conjure up that 916 badge? Thanks.


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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 25 2007, 06:30 PM

QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jun 25 2007, 04:22 PM) *

Andy, if I may ask, where did you get/manufacture/conjure up that 916 badge?


i bought one of them now NLA 9-1-4-6 badges and (GASP) cut it up and made a 9-1-6 out of it.
then i took the PORSCHE part of the badge and stuck it onto the back where the badge normally would go and added the 9-1-6 to the spoiler lip and got me a "targa" badge from a 911 ...

so, now i got a "Porsche 916 Targa" ...
biggrin.gif Andy

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jun 25 2007, 06:38 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 25 2007, 08:30 PM) *

i bought one of them now NLA 9-1-4-6 badges and (GASP) cut it up and made a 9-1-6 out of it.
then i took the PORSCHE part of the badge and stuck it onto the back where the badge normally would go and added the 9-1-6 to the spoiler lip and got me a "targa" badge from a 911 ...

so, now i got a "Porsche 916 Targa" ...
biggrin.gif Andy

I was thinking of doing the same to mine, 916 not the Targa part, especially since it needs to be replated. Did you replate after you cut & did you use solder to join? Oh by the way, I drooley.gif your 900 ccs' over mine.


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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 29 2007, 08:16 PM

did my first *real* drive today. drove all the way out to modesto/ceres to drop off some parts at Orange914's place ...

~180 miles roundtrip @ ~6 gallons of gas, that comes out to ~30 mpg ...
piratenanner.gif Andy

PS: while driving, the temps stay right around 180. while sitting intraffic in the central valley heat, it went up to 200 ...
not bad at all.

Posted by: PRS914-6 Jun 29 2007, 10:33 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 29 2007, 07:16 PM) *

~180 miles roundtrip @ ~6 gallons of gas, that comes out to ~30 mpg ...
piratenanner.gif Andy


I thought the hoses were for brake bleeding. Now I get it.......The hoses are returning the fuel back to the tank instead of using it! smoke.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 29 2007, 10:37 PM

QUOTE(PRS914-6 @ Jun 29 2007, 08:33 PM) *

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 29 2007, 07:16 PM) *

~180 miles roundtrip @ ~6 gallons of gas, that comes out to ~30 mpg ...
piratenanner.gif Andy


I thought the hoses were for brake bleeding. Now I get it.......The hoses are returning the fuel back to the tank instead of using it! smoke.gif


1 feedline, 4 return lines and injectors plugged!

smoke.gif Andy

Posted by: por73914 Jul 10 2007, 02:50 PM

AMAZING pray.gif

Posted by: Garold Shaffer Jul 10 2007, 03:10 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 25 2007, 03:30 PM) *

a few more pics, this was at McMark's shop on thursday before the WCR ... talk about last minute ... rolleyes.gif


McMark and Tim installing the custom intake boot (elbow is from a mustang):

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Looks great Andy. Also looks like you need one of Mom service covers biggrin.gif

Posted by: McMark Jul 10 2007, 07:16 PM

Only after the nice paint goes on. wink.gif

Posted by: Headrage Jul 10 2007, 07:39 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 29 2007, 06:16 PM) *

PS: while driving, the temps stay right around 180. while sitting intraffic in the central valley heat, it went up to 200 ...
not bad at all.


I run my 2.7 (Iknow it's meek) at 210 all day.

I think you occasionally need to burn off the moisture... confused24.gif

Posted by: jimkelly Jul 16 2007, 06:34 PM

awesome ride drooley.gif

almost as nice as mine stirthepot.gif



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Posted by: SirAndy Jul 16 2007, 06:42 PM

QUOTE(jimkelly @ Jul 16 2007, 04:34 PM) *

awesome ride drooley.gif



thank you sir ... smile.gif

i took her to the car wash yesterday and gave her a nice cleaning and waxing ...
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Posted by: JPB Jul 16 2007, 06:47 PM

Andy candy, Kelly candy. Crap I needs me somadat candy to. beer.gif

Posted by: Eddie914 Jul 16 2007, 06:56 PM

Andy,

FABULOUS JOB! You too McMark!

I did not see any pics of the ducting for front oil cooler. Did I miss the pics in the 13 pages of postings?

My poor little 3.2 now seems so meager compared to your big burley 3.6!

1800 lbs! Wow! That is skinny with the 3.6. I must have heavy gas in the tank in my teener. My teener is still about 2050 lbs with fiberglass decks and front fenders.

Great Job!

Eddie

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 18 2007, 06:20 PM

QUOTE(Eddie914 @ Jul 16 2007, 04:56 PM) *

I did not see any pics of the ducting for front oil cooler. Did I miss the pics in the 13 pages of postings?


no, you didn't ... no ducting as of yet. didn't have time to get it done and decided to just drive it for now. i took the two round plugs out of the trunk floor, so i get some air circulation.

the ducting will be tackled this winter ...
smash.gif Andy

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 25 2007, 10:17 PM

old clutch ... ohmy.gif

can you see the burn-marks? blink.gif

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fuzzy closeup: icon8.gif

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burned the pressure plate as well: barf.gif

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what's all that dust falling out of there? sheeplove.gif

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Posted by: SirAndy Jul 25 2007, 10:18 PM

new clutch, pressureplate (thanks paul! pray.gif ) and custom ringgear:

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custom tool i made to remove/install the ball socket for the clutch lever pivot. 14mm socket that needs to be ground down to fit.

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and installed smilie_pokal.gif :

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Posted by: SirAndy Jul 25 2007, 10:21 PM

new 993 combo gauge. now i got the right gauge for the oil sending units. also hooked up the "check engine" light ...


wired and ready to go:

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fuzzy closeup of them warning lights:

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Posted by: 9146986 Jul 26 2007, 08:43 AM

Very cool. But don't you have too much power with that 3.6?? biggrin.gif

Posted by: thesey914 Jul 26 2007, 10:58 AM

So Andy, you now have the late push (pull?) type clutch with flat flywheel and bolted on starter ring? Is that the only mod you have to make, repositioning the pivot ball? Any mods to the cable?

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 26 2007, 12:32 PM

QUOTE(thesey914 @ Jul 26 2007, 08:58 AM) *

So Andy, you now have the late push (pull?) type clutch with flat flywheel and bolted on starter ring? Is that the only mod you have to make, repositioning the pivot ball? Any mods to the cable?


no, it's not a 911 style pressure plate. it works just like the stock 914 PP, so no modifications needed at all.

i only had to add a shim to the pivot ball for throw adjustment on the lever ...
bye1.gif Andy

Posted by: sendjonathanmail Jul 27 2007, 05:21 PM

QUOTE
Very cool. But don't you have too much power with that 3.6?? biggrin.gif


you can never have too much power...right? biggrin.gif -JON

Posted by: Tobra Dec 24 2009, 09:24 PM

QUOTE(sendjonathanmail @ Jul 27 2007, 04:21 PM) *

QUOTE
Very cool. But don't you have too much power with that 3.6?? biggrin.gif


you can never have too much power...right? biggrin.gif -JON

I never heard someone say, "I wish it had less power."

Mark Donahue said if you can leave two black marks from where you start accelerating to braking zone you have enough power. You put 300 hp in a 1800 lb car, I would expect it to be interesting.

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas

Posted by: scotty b Dec 24 2009, 10:05 PM

Finally we see the reason behind Andy's fuzzy pics. Lay off the juice man, you've got the jitters !!


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Posted by: iamchappy Dec 24 2009, 10:09 PM

I too have some clutch holding problems as horsepower builds with the turbo, I was thinking of trying a Kevlar clutch before having to step up to a stage 3 pressure plate, Andy are you using a stage 2 pp? if not what........

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 25 2009, 12:21 PM

QUOTE(iamchappy @ Dec 24 2009, 08:09 PM) *

I too have some clutch holding problems as horsepower builds with the turbo, I was thinking of trying a Kevlar clutch before having to step up to a stage 3 pressure plate, Andy are you using a stage 2 pp? if not what........

KEP Stage II
http://www.kennedyeng.com/porsc_pp.htm


So far, so good. Supposedly good for ~350HP and ~275 ftlb of torque ...
driving.gif Andy

Posted by: iamchappy Dec 25 2009, 02:11 PM

The Kep stage 2 wont hold mine, mostly in 5th, Kevlar clutches supposably can hold
more horsepower so that maybe the option i will try.

Posted by: PRS914-6 Dec 25 2009, 04:23 PM

I'm no expert but there is a big difference in a disk built to last (Kevlar) and one that is built to take torque. I suspect the Kevlar is indestructible but may not offer the best coefficient of friction to prevent the slippage.

Call Brett at Kennedy Engineering and ask about the race fabric that has more metal in it. The disk will be a little harder on the flywheel and pressure plate but the additional metal fibers make it grip better without adding a heavy pressure plate to prevent the slippage. It's what I used on mine with a stock 915 pressure plate and it does not slip at all under anything I throw at it.

Posted by: iamchappy Dec 25 2009, 05:23 PM

I've talked to Brett at Kennedy his move is for me to send him my pressure plate and tweak it to something like a stage 2.5 or go to a 3
I have also talked to Renegade who use the Kevlar clutches exclusively on there V8 conversions because they say they can hold over 30% more HP.

I'm surprised your stage 2's can handle the torque, i would of thought that your 3.6's would have more torque than my 3.1 turbo. The turbo engine has more horsepower than you have with the 3.6's but i dont think it has as much torque.

This is from the Renegade website:

CLUTCHES
Infinite hours of testing are invested into our products. In the quest for more power, we burned up clutches, roasted flywheels, and tested the abilities of our best pressure plates, all in the name of a "streetable" clutch package. Many unsuccessful combinations were attempted before we came up with the right solution.

We found that the Porsche clutch disc, using a Kevlar facing, works extremely well and remains very acceptable for a daily driver. The Kevlar friction material increases holding power 30-40% over standard materials.

KEVLAR CLUTCH DISCS
Kevlar is one of the newest editions to the vast array of materials used to surface a clutch disc. While we offer just about any material for any application, the Kevlar, in most cases, is the best all around choice for a combination of street and track use.

NOTE: Proper break-in is a must with this material. Misuse or abuse during break-in will cause chatter and limited holding characteristics. Up to 500 miles of very mild engagement and limited compression braking is required to "seat" this material. Once it's properly broken-in, the overall performance will be second to none

Posted by: PRS914-6 Dec 25 2009, 06:39 PM

Actually, my pressure plate is stock (915) but I don't know how it compares to a Kennedy Stage 2 901. When I talked to Brett I told him I did not want a heavy feeling clutch and wanted no part of a heavy duty pressure plate. I find that very annoying in a street car.

He steered me to this special fabric with more metal and claimed it would do the job and far exceed organic disks. Even with my posi 915, I can stand on it without a problem with a chipped 3.6. I'm pretty happy with it. They rivet and glue the fabric on a disk and it results in a slightly thicker disk and they have to machine the pressure plate a little to make up for it.

Brett would know better than I if the disk he sold me is better or worse than Kevlar for torque capacity. I would pose that question directly to him.


Posted by: iamchappy Dec 25 2009, 06:53 PM

Brett doesn't like Kevlar disc's mostly for the break in, if not done right there easy to burn up self destruct and wont hold at all.
if done right i believe there suppose to hold better are less abrasive and last longer than organic.

I have talked to a couple of guys running them in there huge horsepower turbo 911's
who swear them.

Renegades Kevlar 9" clutch sells for under 200.00 and i think it's worth a try, if i get one, i will post my observations this Spring or Summer
when i get back on the road.

Posted by: -JR- Jun 17 2010, 10:23 PM

Andy, any chance you can elaborate on a couple things?

I can't find anywhere that you talked about mounting the flywheel pickup. It looks like you have some special bracket and then cut the trans bell housing to accomodate it. What happend there?


The drive axles...
You mentioned you used 944 CV's, what year / type? (S2/turbo/standard)

"Early 911 hubs" Any idea of the part number or exact years and
did these fit the 914 hub bearings?

Dito for the stub axels

When you say "modified" 914 shafts, what did that entail?

"later 911 flanges" would that of come from a 915 trans?

Thanks!

Posted by: SirAndy Jun 17 2010, 10:39 PM

QUOTE(-JR- @ Jun 17 2010, 09:23 PM) *

any chance you can elaborate on a couple things?

I assume you're talking about the sensor on the flywheel. In which case the bracket is stock 993. All i did was to notch the 901 bellhousing in the right place for the sensor.

As for the 944 axle conversion, there's a thread with all the details in the classics forum ...
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Posted by: PRS914-6 Jun 17 2010, 10:53 PM

An FYI....The conversion flywheel is smaller than a 993 making the sensor gap too big unless you machine the bracket for the sensor to drop deeper...see pictures

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Posted by: SirAndy Jun 18 2010, 10:59 AM

QUOTE(PRS914-6 @ Jun 17 2010, 09:53 PM) *

An FYI....The conversion flywheel is smaller than a 993 making the sensor gap too big unless you machine the bracket for the sensor to drop deeper...see pictures

Mine worked just fine ... confused24.gif

I set the gap to the factory specs and the adjustment on the stock bracket was more than enough. No machining needed.

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Posted by: PRS914-6 Jun 18 2010, 12:25 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 18 2010, 09:59 AM) *

QUOTE(PRS914-6 @ Jun 17 2010, 09:53 PM) *

An FYI....The conversion flywheel is smaller than a 993 making the sensor gap too big unless you machine the bracket for the sensor to drop deeper...see pictures

Mine worked just fine ... confused24.gif

I set the gap to the factory specs and the adjustment on the stock bracket was more than enough. No machining needed.

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My recollection is that I removed about .060 off the bracket. The holes in the bracket are large enough to move some but not nearly enough for mine to get close enough to the smaller flywheel. Bottom line, it's a setting that needs to be accurate for sure. Some people drill the holes larger in the bracket to gain a little movement. If you don't have to cut anything, better yet....

Posted by: -JR- Jun 19 2010, 01:18 AM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 17 2010, 09:39 PM) *

I assume you're talking about the sensor on the flywheel. In which case the bracket is stock 993. All i did was to notch the 901 bellhousing in the right place for the sensor.

As for the 944 axle conversion, there's a thread with all the details in the classics forum ...
shades.gif Andy


Thanks Andy, I think I figured it out. My engine had no such bracket and I think this bracket only is installed on manual transmission cars. My engine came from a tiptronic car.

Found the axel article.

Had no idea that the "classic" forum had all the stuff in there.

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 22 2013, 12:15 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 25 2007, 09:46 PM) *
... here's the current "todo" list ...

- Fabricate oil cooler exit ducting


Wow, it's only been 6 years since the post above. screwy.gif



Well, i finally decided to have http://www.originalcustoms.com/ put in some time to make me an original custom oil cooler duct.
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The shroud is removable which allows for storing stuff like my toolbox behind it.

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Mar 22 2013, 12:39 PM

that looks very nice Andy.

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 22 2013, 04:53 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Mar 22 2013, 11:39 AM) *

that looks very nice Andy.

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Haven't seen it yet in person and i'm also waiting to see what the louvers in the hood look like.

I'm excited about having proper air-flow now which should cut down on some of the heat issues i had.
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Posted by: r_towle Mar 22 2013, 04:55 PM

Curious if that will blow alot of hot air on your head with the top off.

rich

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 22 2013, 04:56 PM

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Curious if that will blow alot of hot air on your head with the top off.

Poor mans heater for those bitter cold CA mornings ...
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Posted by: 76-914 Mar 22 2013, 05:01 PM

Nothing some well placed vortex generators couldn't correct.

Posted by: Madswede Mar 22 2013, 05:03 PM

Sweeeeeet! sunglasses.gif

Posted by: Krieger Mar 22 2013, 05:20 PM

Looks great. Can't wait to see the hood.

Posted by: Krieger Mar 22 2013, 05:40 PM

QUOTE(76-914 @ Mar 22 2013, 04:01 PM) *

Nothing some well placed vortex generators couldn't correct.


Andy's Mohawk counts as a vortex generator doesn't it?

Posted by: Spoke Mar 22 2013, 07:44 PM

Nice ducting.

2 questions:

1) is the ducting removable for access to the battery box?
2) What did/are you doing for exit onto the hood?

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 22 2013, 07:54 PM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Mar 22 2013, 06:44 PM) *
2 questions:

1) is the ducting removable for access to the battery box?
2) What did/are you doing for exit onto the hood?


1 - Yes, no. Yes, it's removable, no, it's not a battery box, it's my toolbox.

2 - Je ne sais pas. That'll be a original customs surprise.

The whole piece is build to be easily removed. It just drops in from the top and anchors to the cooler in the front and the firewall in the back.
Once the hood is closed, it's held in place by the frame of the hood.

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Posted by: bulitt Jul 21 2013, 04:58 PM

icon_bump.gif ing this thread to see if Andy has pics of his hood cut for the oil cooler
ducting?

Posted by: r_towle Jul 21 2013, 06:41 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 22 2013, 09:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Spoke @ Mar 22 2013, 06:44 PM) *
2 questions:

1) is the ducting removable for access to the battery box?
2) What did/are you doing for exit onto the hood?


1 - Yes, no. Yes, it's removable, no, it's not a battery box, it's my toolbox.

2 - Je ne sais pas. That'll be a original customs surprise.

The whole piece is build to be easily removed. It just drops in from the top and anchors to the cooler in the front and the firewall in the back.
Once the hood is closed, it's held in place by the frame of the hood.

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Hinged so it flips forward.....then you don't need to find a place to put it on the ground...

Just saying

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 21 2013, 08:00 PM

QUOTE(bulitt @ Jul 21 2013, 03:58 PM) *
icon_bump.gif ing this thread to see if Andy has pics of his hood cut for the oil cooler
ducting?

I'm going to take the car to work tomorrow, i'll post some pics then.

It's a bit "rough" but works very well ...
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Posted by: rick 918-S Jul 22 2013, 08:41 AM

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Posted by: SirAndy Jul 22 2013, 11:50 PM

QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 21 2013, 07:00 PM) *
It's a bit "rough" but works very well ...

Alright, as promised, here are the pix ...


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The shroud in place
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Since this hood is all bend up anyways, we just went ahead and cut the louvers directly into the hood.
The final design will have a nice stamped (or FG) louvered section.

As mentioned before, the shroud is slid into position from the top and is only held in place by the closed hood.
It's very simply to take out (just lift it up).

The improvement in cooling is almost too much (see my other thread about the car not getting up to operating temp).

I also noticed a significant improvement in high speed stability, i'm guessing due to less air under the car and added downforce from the out the hood design.
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Posted by: bulitt Jul 23 2013, 03:02 AM

Nice. Mini-ferrari type set up. The 308's and 512's didnt have a shroud, the front trunk bulkhead just acted as a wall to direct air up through the louvers, and as you did- Ferrari just used a strip of foam to seal the area. I would think the shroud will keep water out of the trunk to some extent, if you ever drive in the rain. I may go this route to vent my radiator and keep the wheel structure intact. Have a spare hood to mess with.
Thanks for posting.

Posted by: pcar916 Jul 23 2013, 06:58 AM

This was fun to read! I should've taken a lot more pictures while building through all of the various stages. I have lots from specific mods but an entire timeline would've been a lot more interesting.

Note to self... next time stop long enough to take more pix along the way. It's just such a PITA to repeatedly stop working, clean up enough not to turn your camera into a greaseball, and get back to it.

Second note to self: Invite friends to build with me, looks a lot more interesting. And there would have been more beer after each day's work.

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Posted by: bahnzai Feb 26 2015, 05:30 AM

Hello Andy,
I am looking for a little advice and possible direction. I have purchased a 3.6 conversion car at mid- project. The car has all the rust, body, and paint work completed. It has a 1995 993 3.6l mounted in the car with the correct clutch/flywheel set up for a 901 transaxle. Already has five lug conversion.
So I still need to wire in the engine harness, build an exhaust system, figure out gauges, fuel pump, etc.
I have read your build thread with great interest. Do you have a build sheet of the specific parts you used and do you have any recommendation looking back? Any particular insights?
Thanks in advance!
Danny

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 26 2015, 07:51 AM

Nice car you are going to have there. Great source you have tapped for info too. aktion035.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 5 2024, 03:13 PM

Wow- just re-visited this thread as we prepare to begin the engine swap in my car. Dropping the 3.2 and installing a '95 3.6. Should be fun. Andy's car has been running since 2007-ish, that speaks well for these engines and their work. Of course, we all know SirAndy babies that car wherever he goes..... av-943.gif

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 5 2024, 05:54 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Feb 5 2024, 01:13 PM) *
Of course, we all know SirAndy babies that car wherever he goes..... av-943.gif

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