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Posted by: proto31 Feb 4 2006, 01:15 AM

Just bought a huge 914-6 project. The car was one of the factory prototype cars, it is #0031. The car is entirely apart, beed blasted and ready for primer. I have a few things that need to be welded, but I think that will be fairly easy. The car will come with a original 914-6 motor which is brand new. The motor is factory fresh, it was bought a number of years ago from some german parts supply place that went out of business. The cylinders still have the original factory dye in the pistons. My question is, what should I do to it before installation to make sure that it's been prepped perfectly. What should I look to go wrong, it looks really nice, but after 36 years I'm sure that there must have been some negative effect?

Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 4 2006, 01:30 AM

Hi Proto31,

Welcome to best non-club in the world.!!!!!!!!!!

There are a bunch of us Teener folk in Costa Mesa.

Glad to have ya on board. Stick around a while and let the smart guys give ya what ya need.

It sounds like you have an extremely interesting 914.

When you get a chance, tell us the story of how this car came into existence and how you ended up with it.

PM me if you want to have a Cup "O" Coffee..

Regards,

Twystd1

Posted by: Part Pricer Feb 4 2006, 06:40 AM

First off, we need pictures.

It does sound like you have yourself a very interesting project. If it were me, I would put everything together and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER start that engine. The value of your car will plummet as soon as you do.

As much as I hate to say this, you may have one of the few 914s that should not be driven.

Posted by: redshift Feb 4 2006, 06:49 AM

Kind of like the man said, I would NEVER install that motor.. I bought a 2.0 euro crate motor once, I put 5k on the motor, and it became like any other motor.



M

Posted by: Joe Sharp Feb 4 2006, 07:33 AM

Dan:
You said the guy had over 150 pictures. WTFAT?
I'm glad to hear that you desided to go for it. Keep us posted on its travel and arival. I for one would like to see the car when it is in your possission.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe

Posted by: proto31 Feb 4 2006, 11:12 AM

Sorry for the lack of photos, the PO has them saved on his computer, wasn't able to burn a copy. He will send me photos next week. As far as the engine goes, I understand the value that the engine will have unstarted BUT this project is meant to produce a driving car so I can have fun like all you guys. What do you think the value of the engine is? I might consider trading it for a totally rebult working engine and some change...

Dan

Posted by: Headrage Feb 4 2006, 11:18 AM

Don't let the motor out of your possession. Keep it in a nice environmentally controlled place and get yourself another to put in the car...

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 4 2006, 11:18 AM

I would tear the motor down.

Sounds like an excellent car. Can't wait for the pictures and welcome to the club.

E.

Posted by: goose2 Feb 4 2006, 11:32 AM

Welcome! Interesting project...I thought long and hard about buying that car and decided there was no room in my life for another project.......glad it found a good home. Keep us posted on your progress

Posted by: brp914 Feb 4 2006, 01:35 PM

That motor isn't worth anything as a driver. I would use it as a display of some sort. If you want to start out with a small 6, the 2.2E (actual 914/6 case, fwiw) will be coming out of mine soon. Its healthy, has all the usual upgrades. Around 35k miles. Leaks a little though.

Cant wait to see pics and background story! good luck.

Posted by: alpha434 Feb 4 2006, 01:47 PM

QUOTE (Part Pricer @ Feb 4 2006, 04:40 AM)

First off, we need pictures. It does sound like you have yourself a very interesting project. If it were me, I would put everything together and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER start that engine. The value of your car will plummet as soon as you do. As much as I hate to say this, you may have one of the few 914s that should not be driven.

That means that you should drvie it extrra, in my book. If iI had a 917, wouldn't I feel obligated to have it registered for the street? Yes. Yes I would.

Good luck. The engine might be a hassle tough. I would look into that 2.2 tpye E that whoever mentioned.

Posted by: alpha434 Feb 4 2006, 01:48 PM

Or a 3.8 twin plug Biturbo. HIYA!!

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 4 2006, 01:51 PM

soo cool.

come over to joe sharps place on the 18th in HB

Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 4 2006, 01:54 PM

QUOTE

That motor isn't worth anything as a driver.

Posted by: Speedster07 Feb 4 2006, 07:02 PM

Welcome Proto31,
by any chance did your 914-6 # 31 come from Indianapolis Indiana?

Posted by: proto31 Feb 4 2006, 07:41 PM

Yes, it will be coming from Indiana.

Posted by: seanery Feb 4 2006, 07:47 PM

hmmm, what's the story?

Posted by: proto31 Feb 4 2006, 07:48 PM

Do you know anything about the car???

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 4 2006, 08:18 PM

Not a PCA member for 4 years but I am guessing Jim Lapossa

The guy had a ton of 914-6 parts nos and used and a couple of cars, sold thru Doc &Sy's 10 years ago
WAG

Posted by: proto31 Feb 4 2006, 08:20 PM

Not sure who Jim Lamposa is?

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 4 2006, 08:45 PM

Posted by: trekkor Feb 4 2006, 08:54 PM

Welcome aboard and drive it!

You should always drive it.

Do you have a goal date to be finished?


KT

Posted by: proto31 Feb 5 2006, 02:16 AM

Plan on having it done in 6-7 months. Shouldn't need to spend too much time collecting parts since it's supposed to come with everything. I will need a set of heat exchangers. Does anybody make a reasonably priced aftermarket set?

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 5 2006, 05:00 AM

Just in time for the WCC 06!

Posted by: seanery Feb 5 2006, 08:49 AM

QUOTE (proto31 @ Feb 5 2006, 03:16 AM)

reasonably priced aftermarket set?

nope

Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 5 2006, 11:03 AM

QUOTE (seanery @ Feb 5 2006, 07:49 AM)

QUOTE (proto31 @ Feb 5 2006, 03:16 AM) reasonably priced aftermarket set? nope

reasonable is relative....

B+B and GHL both make sets.,..


i think the number is 3k a pair tho

Posted by: Speedster07 Feb 5 2006, 01:59 PM

Proto31, I looked at that #31 4 years ago. He was at that time welding in new hell whole from passengers feet all the way back on both sides. The motor with the blue stuff was the give away and of course #31. He also was chopping up 6ers and selling the 6 ID’s and any metal 6 Id parts with Titles, that’s what turned me off of him. I didn't know if #31 was real? He said he had enough parts to build 3 cars at that time,. Was the car in the back warehouse where he worked. I think he was a project manager for a building company. the car was completely disassembled and in rough condition and i didn't care for his ability’s. He seamed like a very nice guy, but he up teeners to put on ebay. thats where I first saw this 6er. He had some nice teeners but said they were worth more for there parts than he could get for them as cars. That Bastard Also what he wanted for a shell and a bunch of parts, was what I though it would be worth finished. Sorry but you asked.
I wish you all the luck with your #31 project.
Do all the photos and set up your Blog so we can admire your progress. The people here can and will help you with anything you need. Just ask.
's to ya

Posted by: proto31 Feb 5 2006, 06:24 PM

Thanks for the info. Are you sure you were looking at the same car though. He told me that the rear hell hole was perfect. The pictures of it stripped down to the metal do not show any signs of welding in that area. He did wowever weld in a new outer clamshell on the drivers side longitudinal. How did the motor look to you?

Thanks,
Dan

Posted by: Speedster07 Feb 6 2006, 12:51 PM

Same car, I remember the new outer clamshell on the drivers side longitudinal. I though for sure he had the hell hole opened up, so many teeners ago, but I can't remember how the motor looked, I do remember the blue dye in the motor, it looked like a motor, I was not knowledgable on 6 motors at that time. and he had 2 more that came with the car. What all did you get with the car? When you get it you'll know more about what was done and not.
Got any pics? What was his first name?

Posted by: Part Pricer Feb 6 2006, 12:56 PM

Does anyone know the history of this car? I would think that a prototype ending up in the hands of an individual, the story is significant.

Also, what is the full VIN on this car? That will help for those of us playing along at home.

Posted by: proto31 Feb 6 2006, 07:01 PM

The correct vin # is 9140430031. I should be getting that fresh motor, all interior and all the 6 specific parts including a new factory oil tank and all the sheet metal.

This is a picture of the car stripped down a few years ago, the front fenders have been replaced since then.


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Posted by: Speedster07 Feb 6 2006, 07:08 PM

Yep thats the place and thats her

Did you come to Indy to see the car?

Did he still have the 914 that a tree fell on? it was a 6 he had cut all the 914-6 ID plates off to sell on ebay or somewhere.

Posted by: proto31 Feb 6 2006, 07:10 PM

nope, all based on pics shown to me. A little risky but there wasn't much to hide after the car has stripped of all it's paint.

Posted by: Speedster07 Feb 6 2006, 07:12 PM

I'll PM you



Hey
It's OK he got a great deal.
This should be a good build to follow

Posted by: sixerdon Feb 6 2006, 09:20 PM

Interesting serial number. According to my current knowledge I don't think this is a prototype. Production sixers started at 9140430011. That would make yours the 20th production six. I've always understood that the first 50 or so were distributed around Europe. Someone with some serious knowledge on early sixes should look at this very closely. Check every possible number stamped in the chassis and cross check with DaveP's list. Learn as much as you can on six history and get as much history from the guy you bought it from. Good luck. I'll be looking at the pictures from time to time.
Don

Posted by: proto31 Feb 7 2006, 12:00 AM

Don, thanks for the advice. Do you know where I should start, as far as looking into the history of the early 6's. I've spent a bunch of time on the web, but I haven't been able to find much.

Thanks,
Dan

Posted by: Speedster07 Feb 7 2006, 12:09 AM

Proto31,
get everything you can from Trent he probly researched it and has a lot of white paper and sites to check out. He knows a lot about the early cars.

Craig

Posted by: proto31 Feb 7 2006, 12:12 AM

Will do!

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 7 2006, 12:21 AM

QUOTE (sixerdon @ Feb 6 2006, 07:20 PM)

Interesting serial number. According to my current knowledge I don't think this is a prototype.

that VIN is *not* a prototype ...

now, if you had the car with the internal project number #31, that would be a real find!

Internal Code: 914/31
VIN: 914 043 0019
Color: Irish Green
Usage: 914 R Prototype, Test Car
Project Start Date: 10/3/1969
Sold Date: 5/21/1971
Customer: Graf Goertz

Andy

Posted by: Part Pricer Feb 7 2006, 01:33 PM

Wow! This is interesting info.

Our resident experts tell us that according to the VIN this car is not a prototype, just an early production 6. It prompts me to ask a question that I really have no business asking, "Was the car sold as a Prototpye?" Just curious.

Posted by: DEC Feb 7 2006, 02:50 PM

Porsche never sold a prototype (except 916, they were official prototypes).
914R is the correct name for the cars now
called 914GT. GT is the later synonym for 914R.

GT was the FIA class in there the 914-6 was admitted, so all 914R are "GT's"

Wilco

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 7 2006, 02:59 PM

yes, except "914 043 0031" is *not* on the list of factory GTs either ...

none of the real prototypes had a 914-6 VIN to begin with.
having said that, there was a GT prototype as well as a 916 prototype that both had 914-6 VINs.
then there's a list of all factory GTs, which all had internal project numbers, besides a "normal" 914-6 VIN ...

now, unfortunately, the list on internal projects is not complete. there are a few cars missing from that list ...
Andy


PS: attached is a picture of "914 043 0032", one VIN after yours ...



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Posted by: fatlando Feb 7 2006, 03:18 PM

hey andy,

you're super smart, here's my vin 4752906310, can you tell me anything?

also how many of our cars are actually on the road? i read on excellence that there were only about 4,000 75's made...

that number 11 must have some stories to tell.

regards

fat lando

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 7 2006, 03:32 PM

QUOTE (fatlando @ Feb 7 2006, 01:18 PM)

you're super smart, here's my vin 4752906310, can you tell me anything?

yes, i can tell you that you got a really nice car there ...

Andy

Posted by: nocones Feb 7 2006, 05:47 PM

Ummm...

Isn't this an ad for the same car for sale?


1970 914-6 BODY SHELL Price: $6,050.00


Vin 91404300031. This is one of the earliest 914s we have seen, and as the first 50 produced were prototypes, this car has some weird differences, including a plug on the harness to connect to test equipment, a rear stamped serial number and a different rear panel. This car was never hit but had some rust. Our shop totally cured the rust problem and coated the car with preservative paint. It is ready for you to restore to the ultimate, and possibly own the lowest serial numbered six recently reported! Comes complete with title.

http://www.autoatlanta.net/record_detail.lasso?-database=AAdatabase&-UserName='public'&-Password='public'&-layout=Items&-KeyField=__Record_ID__&PartNumber=B23888&-Session=ShopCart:D1CC8673050e22C9C3Gqm346014F&-Search

sorry about the mondo link,
PN at AA is B23888

Posted by: proto31 Feb 7 2006, 11:31 PM

That ad in Autoatlanta seems to be the same car, he showed me pics of the strange wireharness that was described. The seller is supposed to send me some more info on the history of the car, hopefully some actual documentation. I'll let you guys know when I get it.

Question: anybody have their steering wheel re-wrapped in leather. Not those kits you can bu but an actual professional job? What would it cost and how accurate do they turn out?

Thanks

Posted by: SirAndy Feb 7 2006, 11:39 PM

QUOTE (proto31 @ Feb 7 2006, 09:31 PM)

Question: anybody have their steering wheel re-wrapped in leather. Not those kits you can bu but an actual professional job? What would it cost and how accurate do they turn out?

i looked into this a while ago. for my original momo prototipo ...

momo will actually do this for you. you send it in, they fix it ...
not cheap $$$

Andy

Posted by: Speedster07 Feb 8 2006, 12:12 AM

QUOTE (proto31 @ Feb 7 2006, 11:31 PM)

That ad in Autoatlanta seems to be the same car, he showed me pics of the strange wireharness that was described. The seller is supposed to send me some more info on the history of the car, hopefully some actual documentation. I'll let you guys know when I get it. Question: anybody have their steering wheel re-wrapped in leather. Not those kits you can bu but an actual professional job? What would it cost and how accurate do they turn out? Thanks

Trent bought it from AA, he no longer does business with them. I wonder why

Posted by: seanery Feb 8 2006, 07:36 AM

QUOTE (proto31 @ Feb 8 2006, 12:31 AM)

That ad in Autoatlanta seems to be the same car, he showed me pics of the strange wireharness that was described. The seller is supposed to send me some more info on the history of the car, hopefully some actual documentation. I'll let you guys know when I get it. Question: anybody have their steering wheel re-wrapped in leather. Not those kits you can bu but an actual professional job? What would it cost and how accurate do they turn out? Thanks

Kevin Jueng, known as buzzard1 here, did one for our Fall Folliage event last year. Britt (bd1308) won it and it's awesome.