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Posted by: rdauenhauer Feb 8 2006, 01:28 AM
how can you tell the differance between Hydro lifters and solid? Anyone got comparison pics?
Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 8 2006, 07:17 AM
If you have them out take an old pushrod and press down in the cup. The guts of a hydro will move.
Also they have a circlip inside them...but so do some aftermarket solids.
Posted by: 914ghost Feb 8 2006, 10:12 AM
You'll know a solid lifter because it'll be all chewed to shit on one end. Unless you buy from Jake.
Which I only reccomend if you only like to put an engine together once, I like doing it several times because obviously I have nothing better to do.
And god hates me.
Posted by: Tom Perso Feb 8 2006, 10:33 AM
Don't worry, God hates me too...
Tom
Posted by: rdauenhauer Feb 8 2006, 10:48 AM
Wow.
Thas ugly.
I ask cuz I tore down a supposedly hydro engine but it appears to have mixed parts IE new hyd WEB cam and steel one piece PR's but the lifters appear to be solids ?
Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 8 2006, 10:51 AM
That's why I snaged a spare set of ceramics last time I was down at Charles. Got them just before the prices went balistic.
Posted by: maf914 Feb 8 2006, 11:48 AM
| QUOTE (Mark Henry @ Feb 8 2006, 08:51 AM) |
| That's why I snaged a spare set of ceramics last time I was down at Charles. Got them just before the prices went balistic. |
The ceramics were not exactly cheap to start with. How high is ballistic?
Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 8 2006, 12:12 PM
$600.
Posted by: Tom Perso Feb 8 2006, 08:29 PM
| QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Feb 8 2006, 11:48 AM) |
| Wow. Thas ugly. I ask cuz I tore down a supposedly hydro engine but it appears to have mixed parts IE new hyd WEB cam and steel one piece PR's but the lifters appear to be solids ? |
Did they look like this (on the left, SCAT ones)?
Those are SCAT high performance lifters. My Webcam 163/86b ate thru those in less than an hour.
Get lifters from Jake - he at least knows what works and what doesnt. Those SCAT lifters may work OK for light spring pressure and near stock cams. But, if you've got some dual heavyweight springs, steer clear.
Tom
Posted by: smac Feb 8 2006, 09:03 PM
Here's my contribution to this very disturbing thread.
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Posted by: smac Feb 8 2006, 09:04 PM
another!
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Posted by: V6914 Feb 9 2006, 03:42 AM
Scat, has lube-a-lobes, for type lV's now, actually there's a hole from the Rockwell testing, that doubles as a lobe luber. 
Also, on the side of the lifter, where the side oiler is, a wider area was machined to allow puddeling of oil to better oil the lifter bore.
They go for around $80 buckaroos
And yes I'am gonna buy a set.
And I've had my share of flat cams 
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 9 2006, 03:43 AM
Uhhh...
smac... I have a question for you.
How long did that engine run with bad lifters???
I was wondring how the hell it ran long enough for that much damage to occur.. Just interested for no good earthly reason...
I haven't seen anything like that since I had a tour of one of 
engines... Man.. thats pitiful.
Buy the engine from GEX?
Or did Slits hand ya the wrong oil can during a lube change?
Twystd1
Posted by: Tom Perso Feb 9 2006, 05:29 AM
Are the cam bearings down to the bronze?
I bet that was one noisy motor towards the end... 
Tom
Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 9 2006, 06:51 AM
| QUOTE (V6914 @ Feb 9 2006, 05:42 AM) |
| Scat, has lube-a-lobes, for type lV's now, actually there's a hole from the Rockwell testing, that doubles as a lobe luber. Also, on the side of the lifter, where the side oiler is, a wider area was machined to allow puddeling of oil to better oil the lifter bore. They go for around $80 buckaroos And yes I'am gonna buy a set. And I've had my share of flat cams |
Scat lube-a-lobes are a big pile of steaming dog
I've had in the past year and a half 3 (customer built) engines that have these POS take a dump...2 of them on Scat cams!
Hey...maybe I souldn't complain...keeps me in jobs.
Look "Scat" up in the dictionary, very accurate description.
Posted by: rdauenhauer Feb 9 2006, 09:22 AM
Thanks Mark and they look like the middle lifter (WEB?)
And I already scored some Ceramics but Im tryin to positivly ID these lifters.
Posted by: Mark Henry Feb 9 2006, 09:29 AM
Right now the only things working for me is a matched set of cam and lifters from Jake. On low budget I've got away with a good used cam (hard to find) with stock (brazil) lifters and of course ceramics.
Posted by: Jake Raby Feb 9 2006, 09:54 AM
I am working to drop the price of my lifters..... Maybe to 110 bucks a set from 180.00!
I'm testing another service from a different source for my Ion Nitriding...
Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 9 2006, 09:59 AM
have things calmed down for you jake?
k
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