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Posted by: marks914 Feb 17 2006, 03:21 PM
Thanks to all who helped me find some 914 blueprints. I started my project at lunch this week at work. I will be able to create cutaway images of the car in any angle, any color combination. I have some killer rendering software too. The images will be 2/3 3D model, 1/3 sketch.
Here is what I have roughed in so far, still needs some work before I start the details.
Mark
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Posted by: mrdezyne Feb 17 2006, 03:25 PM
FREAKIN SCHWEET! Can you export this as an IGES file? I'd love a copy to use in Pro-E or Solidworks.....
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Start of the SBC
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Posted by: Goge Feb 17 2006, 03:31 PM
Surface modeling perhaps?? What software are you using?
Send me an IGES and I'll see if I can't massage it into a solid so that I can make a rapid prototype of it here at work!
mrdezyne- we use SolidWorks at my place of work. Good stuff! I've heard Pro-E is a little higher end though.
-Todd
Posted by: marks914 Feb 17 2006, 03:41 PM
Here is an example of this technique, I used it a few years ago in school.
Mark
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Posted by: marks914 Feb 17 2006, 03:46 PM
I am using Alias. Its a NURBS based program. We also use CATA for surface modeling. I use Alias because its fast and it makes a pretty picture, I'm no downtown surface guy in the tube. I usually build something rough and hand it off to a CATIA surface person in our group and they sweeten it up. We also have an awesome Proprietary rendering software that converts te NURBS to polygons and renders in real time, you can move the model in real time too.
Give me a few more days of lunches working on it and I should have the exterior finished up. I can export to: IGES, STP,CAI,WIRE,DXF,INV and a few more that I can't remember.
Mark
Posted by: Goge Feb 17 2006, 03:53 PM
By the way, I very rudely forgot to say: very nice work!!
Posted by: neo914-6 Feb 17 2006, 03:57 PM
That is awesome Mark! 
sell some prints, I'll buy one...
Posted by: mrdezyne Feb 17 2006, 04:07 PM
| QUOTE (Goge @ Feb 17 2006, 01:31 PM) |
| Surface modeling perhaps?? What software are you using? Send me an IGES and I'll see if I can't massage it into a solid so that I can make a rapid prototype of it here at work! mrdezyne- we use SolidWorks at my place of work. Good stuff! I've heard Pro-E is a little higher end though. -Todd |
That is exactly what I had in mind, making an SLA model and then creating a silicone mold to cast urathane models from.
Pro-E is highway robbery, not many more features than Solidworks but about 4 times the price or more. In fact, when Pro-E came out with the version "Wild Fire", they used a lot of the same techniques to create solids that Solidworks uses. Anyway, stick with Solidworks and get warm fuzzies every day knowing you spent a fraction of what we spend on our updates.
I can use an IGES or STP file, DXF is 2D and I'm not sure about the others.... I'd take a copy as it sits right now, that is very nice work!
Posted by: Goge Feb 17 2006, 05:15 PM
I have a local contact that does silicone molds/urethane parts. We make the masters, and he does the soft mold stuff.
Wasn't there somebody on here doing RC 914 bodies? One thing I can do here is RP up a master and then vacuform over that (could make some nice RC car bodies).
We don't have SLA, it's ABS plastic extruded very thin that's built up in layers. It's a little rougher surface to begin with than SLA, but can be made smooth with a little work.
Mark, I'm offering to make a free prototype for you if you'd like. Might be kinda neat for you to have, if the files can be made to work.
-TH
Posted by: marks914 Feb 17 2006, 05:43 PM
| QUOTE (Goge @ Feb 17 2006, 03:15 PM) |
| I have a local contact that does silicone molds/urethane parts. We make the masters, and he does the soft mold stuff. Wasn't there somebody on here doing RC 914 bodies? One thing I can do here is RP up a master and then vacuform over that (could make some nice RC car bodies). We don't have SLA, it's ABS plastic extruded very thin that's built up in layers. It's a little rougher surface to begin with than SLA, but can be made smooth with a little work. Mark, I'm offering to make a free prototype for you if you'd like. Might be kinda neat for you to have, if the files can be made to work. -TH |
Sounds good. Give me a few days to finish the exterior! We have some SLA machines at work too but they are running 24/7 with work related stuff.
Mark
Posted by: Goge Feb 17 2006, 06:06 PM
Well forget it then if you already have your own toy-making machines!!
Just kidding, I'd love to see the files and build you a part. Our machine usually runs full-tilt too but I can always shoehorn 'important' jobs into the build queue!
-TH
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Feb 18 2006, 12:52 AM
Mark, nice cutaway format 
Here's an old one out of my sketchbook on the 3.2 biturbo. I was laying out the parallel turbos, etc. The graphics study on the intercooler wound up as simply MSDS, but one day I'll airbrush it as TAG or Sunoco ...
Marty
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Posted by: kwales Feb 18 2006, 11:04 AM
AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa...........
Alias........ UNCLEAN!!!!!!!!
Run children run....
Ain't never had an Alias file come in clean...
Industrial Design guys used Alias for the swoopy handle shapes at my former place of work. Trying to import them into ANYTHING and shell it out was a real chore and time hog for a top notch designer. Tried CADDS 5, ProE, UGS IDeas, still a pain. Sometimes those NURBS aren't stiched so ya goota go in by hand and locate the problems and then futz with them.
Ken
Posted by: marks914 Feb 18 2006, 01:16 PM
| QUOTE (kwales @ Feb 18 2006, 09:04 AM) |
| AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa........... Alias........ UNCLEAN!!!!!!!! Run children run.... Ain't never had an Alias file come in clean... Industrial Design guys used Alias for the swoopy handle shapes at my former place of work. Trying to import them into ANYTHING and shell it out was a real chore and time hog for a top notch designer. Tried CADDS 5, ProE, UGS IDeas, still a pain. Sometimes those NURBS aren't stiched so ya goota go in by hand and locate the problems and then futz with them. Ken |
I haven't had any problems yet. I ship IGES, CAIs and STPs to CATIA guys all the time.
Mark
Posted by: marks914 Feb 21 2006, 06:39 PM
Heres the semi finished exterior, it needs some tweeks, but its good enough for what I need
Mark
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On to the interior and the rest..
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Posted by: gepetto143 Feb 21 2006, 06:51 PM
WOW 
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it really look's good!
QUOTE (Goge @ Feb 17 2006, 03:15 PM)
I have a local contact that does silicone molds/urethane parts. We make the masters, and he does the soft mold stuff.Wasn't there somebody on here doing RC 914 bodies? One thing I can do here is RP up a master and then vacuform over that (could make some nice RC car bodies).
Can someone give me more info about these RC 914 bodies?
Posted by: Goge Feb 21 2006, 11:50 PM
kwales- you speak with wisdom!! I've run into alot of surfacing stuff that can't cut it. But we'll see if this file has a chance. It only takes time to clean them up- that's usually why I turn away people using Rhino and others. No time! Patch and fill, patch and fill, stitch and swear!
It shure looks gud though, good job Mark!
gepetto143: do a search for "RC body" and see what turns up. I know I saw it somewhere, but probably not in the "garage".
-TH
Posted by: alpha434 Feb 22 2006, 12:47 AM
Absolutely beautiful. Mark, would you mind if I used a few of your renderings to do paint layouts on? Nobody else has that good of a picture with the 916 bumper. Or that good of a picture, period.
Really does look great!
Posted by: 914Timo Feb 22 2006, 12:58 AM
WOWWW !!!!!! 
Posted by: johannes Feb 22 2006, 02:34 AM
GREAT JOB !!!! 
Posted by: marks914 Feb 22 2006, 09:28 AM
| QUOTE (alpha434 @ Feb 21 2006, 10:47 PM) |
| Absolutely beautiful. Mark, would you mind if I used a few of your renderings to do paint layouts on? Nobody else has that good of a picture with the 916 bumper. Or that good of a picture, period. Really does look great! |
Go right ahead, as long as you are not selling them.
Mark
Posted by: mrdezyne Feb 22 2006, 10:21 AM
are you ready to try and export an IGES yet? I'd like to use this as a platform to model my body mods. You can simplify it by removing anything that is specific to your teener if you like, I just need the basic body... Thanks.
Curt
Oh, and I promise not to sell any part of it.
Posted by: marks914 Feb 22 2006, 05:39 PM
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| are you ready to try and export an IGES yet? I'd like to use this as a platform to model my body mods. You can simplify it by removing anything that is specific to your teener if you like, I just need the basic body... Thanks. Curt Oh, and I promise not to sell any part of it. |
Curt
Send me a PM with your email and I will send it to you. I wouldn't try milling from the surface, I built from blueprints, not a scan. There's a few rough parts, but for the most part its pretty decent.
Mark
Posted by: siverson Feb 22 2006, 08:53 PM
That's pretty cool, but doesn't Jeroen own the copyright to this image... 
-Steve
Posted by: marks914 Feb 23 2006, 04:06 AM
| QUOTE (siverson @ Feb 22 2006, 06:53 PM) |
| That's pretty cool, but doesn't Jeroen own the copyright to this image... ;) -Steve |
HUH?
Im not sure what you are talking about.
Thats like saying that someone has the copywrights to a photo of my car.
This is a snapshot of my 3D model.
Mark
Posted by: Andyrew Feb 23 2006, 04:08 AM
he has the copyright to the 914 outline at the top of your screen...
there was a thread earlyer about the validity of that copyright, but I havent seen it lately.
Posted by: jonwatts Feb 23 2006, 11:02 AM
And to add to Andyrew, it was a joke with a little 
at Jeroen.
Nice work on the model (and quick). Isn't it amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it, and are bored at work 
Posted by: marks914 Feb 24 2006, 04:27 PM
Here is a quick rough of the cutaway...
It needs some work, but its a good start
Mark
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Posted by: bondo Feb 24 2006, 05:04 PM
That's awesome! When you're done you're gonna be able to sell alot of prints.. whether or not that was the intent.
If you made different versions with different engine configs and could crank them out in different colors by request, you'd have soooo many buyers!
How long does it take to render one of these images? I remember back in the day when I used to render stuff in lightwave on my 040 Amiga.. at TV quality resolution, a frame of that complexity would take a loooong time. I imagine it's much faster now.
Posted by: marks914 Feb 24 2006, 05:13 PM
Thanks!
I can change any of the colors on any of the parts. The software renders and rotates the vehicle in real time, so it takes zero time. I can also render in alias but that is a long process, but it can raytrace. If someone has the data on another engine, I can just pop it in. It was the intent to be able to swap parts to make different cars.
Mark
Posted by: Root_Werks Feb 24 2006, 05:13 PM
No kidding! That looks amazing! I would even think about contacting Renegade. I bet they would jump on buying some up from you. Great job!
Posted by: marks914 Feb 25 2006, 06:04 AM
Here is a bigger, touched up version, I should have the final version done this week. Still have to add some details, engine mounts, hoses, cutlines, etc.
Mark
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Posted by: i love porsche Feb 25 2006, 09:39 AM
wow..that looks really great!
Posted by: Bigbohr Feb 25 2006, 10:31 AM
That's awesome. Hope you don't mind I use it on my desktop. What's your plans with this 3D rendering?
Posted by: SpecialK Feb 25 2006, 10:38 AM
Fantastic Job, totally impressive!! 
I've got a fully functional version of CATIA P3 V5 R15 that I've been playing with. I went to school for AutoCad software applications (Inventor's my fav), prefer Solidworks, but my company uses CATIA. I figure that if I have a chance in hell of applying/getting a job in that field at Boeing, I'd better concentrate on what they use. I'd love to have a copy of that file if you decide to share it with the club. (for my own personal use of course!)
Posted by: marks914 Feb 25 2006, 11:42 AM
Thanks all
My plans are to eventually be able to create any configuration in any color at any angle and provide this service to the community. I would be willing to share the files with anyone who could contribute data (scan, actual model of parts, engine, trans, etc.)
Mark
Posted by: johannes Feb 25 2006, 03:05 PM
That's awesome !!!!
Great job ... I like it very much. Can you also make movies from moving camera ?
Posted by: aircooledboy Feb 25 2006, 04:13 PM
Mark, that is amazing!! 
When you get all the details ironed out, I'd love to talk about buying a customized color scheme print.
Posted by: jonwatts Feb 25 2006, 06:11 PM
Mark, do you use a drawing tablet? I've been thinking of getting one.
Posted by: Travis Neff Feb 25 2006, 06:15 PM
Excellent work, any way this can be used as a GT legends car? May be a stretch, but it would be cool!
Posted by: Rand Feb 25 2006, 06:22 PM
Nice work Mark! It's getting better all the time. Very cool.
Posted by: marks914 Feb 25 2006, 06:49 PM
| QUOTE (jonwatts @ Feb 25 2006, 04:11 PM) |
| Mark, do you use a drawing tablet? I've been thinking of getting one. |
Jon
Yes, I use a Wacom 19x14 tablet. We use them at work. I can't even use a mouse any more. When I was in shcool I used a 9x14 Aiptek, it worked pretty good. I think the better the computer, the better the tablet will work.
Travis:
I don't know if it could be a GT ledgends car. I have it in NURBS and Polygons. It was modeled in full size.
johannes:
I can make moving movies with this software. It just won't be a cutaway. To make the cutaway I render layers of the car and add or remove parts, sketching in shadows and details between the layers in a sketching program, usually SID or Photoshop.
Mark
Posted by: marks914 Mar 4 2006, 09:58 AM
This is as far as I am going to take this one before I go hi res.
Mark
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Posted by: marks914 Mar 4 2006, 10:01 AM
Now I'm on to the varoius interchangable parts. Built these Fuchs at lunch yesterday. I will do the stock bumpers next , some new mirrorsand of course, a set of flares.
Mark
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Posted by: maf914 Mar 4 2006, 10:24 AM
Mark,
Very nice. I am enjoying this thread. Keep us informed. 
Posted by: type47fan Mar 4 2006, 12:29 PM
Mark, absolutely amazing
Thanks,
Posted by: Sideways Mar 4 2006, 01:40 PM
| QUOTE (marks914 @ Mar 4 2006, 09:01 AM) |
| Now I'm on to the varoius interchangable parts. Built these Fuchs at lunch yesterday. I will do the stock bumpers next , some new mirrorsand of course, a set of flares. Mark |
Your work is incredible.....
How long does it take you to do this for example the Fuchs...
Will you take requests for parts that can be added in the future?
Keep it up.
Posted by: McMark Mar 4 2006, 02:21 PM
This thread is sooooo coool! I'm green with envy.
I did notice one thing. You have a drivers side door pocket on the passengers side.
Posted by: marks914 Mar 4 2006, 03:48 PM
| QUOTE (Sideways @ Mar 4 2006, 11:40 AM) | ||
Your work is incredible..... How long does it take you to do this for example the Fuchs... Will you take requests for parts that can be added in the future? Keep it up. |
It usually takes me 40-70 minutes to build a wheel. The Fuch took me about 35 minutes, since I already knew what the design looked like. It doesn't take very long since you only have to build 1/2 a spoke and duplicate it.
As far as requests go, we will see how outrageous they are, Let me get the bumpers and flares done first. I would like to be able to keep it simple, as I usually charge $80/hr for freelance work.
Mark
Posted by: 914fan Mar 4 2006, 10:26 PM
If you take requests can you do a early crome bumper with silver paint and empi 8 spoke or the like wheels. Painted targa and basically your everyday 73 914. Or just say 
Ooh Ooh Ooh could you model a 17ft kayak on top?????
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