Hello all - I bought the 73 914 2 liter out of Baltimore that somebody referenced on this site under cars for sale - anyway , I've been a porsche nut for years - mostly 911s - This is my first 914 - Well folks if I knew how fun they were relative to handling I would have bought one years ago - my 914 has twin 44mm Webers on a fresh stock top end rebuild - jetting is probably too rich - probably over carbed in general - but beyond that it's just not fast enough to enjoy fully - A local PCA guy stopped by this weekend and let me drive his 2.0 bored to 2.7 w/ Megasquirt and some other stuff - wow - really fun to drive - I want mine to be more like that car - my one friend is pushing for a Chevy V8 conversion - my PCA race buddy wants to put a 2.2 911s motor in - I could buy this guys 2.0 race motor listed on 914 club - I'm uncertain - so I'd really some opinions from more experienced 914 guys - my 914 is very solid, fender flairs, side shift tranny - strong enough and worthy enough to spend a little $$ to make go faster - thanks in advance for your help - Phil
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My .02, put in a six, others will say Subarize it.
check out the recent posts here by jake raby about his recent development motor putting out gobs of HP (180-200?????). that's what you want.
how much $$ do you want to spend? 6k? 8k? 10k?
there is a direct relationship to how much $$ you spend and how much hp you get
Welcome to confusion and indecision....There are many opinions here regarding repowering a 914....
Check here...I like the subaru conversion. Be sure to watch the videos of the Suby powered 914.....
By the way
Easy question with 100 answers.
The problem with 914's is you can put just about any engine in them. Give us a little info on what you plan to do with the car, (daily driver, weekend fun car, etc) how much you what to spend, and I think the biggest issue, how long do you want to wait before you are driving it with more HP. V8 and Suby's are great but if you started today it would take you 6 months to get it on the road. A big -4 is more of a bolt in job. A -6 is more work and money than a -4 but less work than a V8.
And you could always go electric
Welcome to the Club.
Paul
I would get the car tuned properly first, and then evaluate it again.
It might be cheapest and fastest to just find what you want and buy it. Conversions are expensive and often you can buy what you want for less than the cost of the parts to convert.
That said I searched 4 years for my /6. But I wanted original, no rust, no damage, steel factory flares, 3.2, etc...
The other option is to do the jake raby engine. Seems expensive for a /4 and you probably wouldn't get your money back if you sold it, but that is why this is a hobby.
I still say, there is nothing like a dry sump, air cooled, flat six coming on cam to make your hair stand on end!
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for all the initial replies - as for use - some autoX some track days and lots of aggressive trips to the store to pick up milk - any links to Subaru swap - Phil
I've owned lots of Porsches (911's and 914 2.0's) since 1982, they have all been stock and I loved them all.
I also currently have a very low mileage Carrera that is 100% stock and original.
Some have accused me of being an over-the-top purist!
But I absolutely love my V8 914 - steel GT flares, Velios 915 trans, 911 suspension and brakes and torque-honkin' aluminum head 5.7 V8.
It's just such a blast to drive. Reminds me a lot of my former Ducati. Effortless acceleration at any RPM. Cool V8 rumble.
Just plain fun!
Why not go back to injection and a Turbo?
QUOTE (Philly @ Feb 20 2006, 07:38 AM) |
Thanks for all the initial replies - as for use - some autoX some track days and lots of aggressive trips to the store to pick up milk - any links to Subaru swap - Phil |
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The other option is to do the jake raby engine. Seems expensive for a /4 and you probably wouldn't get your money back if you sold it, but that is why this is a hobby. |
Phil,
With six conversions don't forget that the conversion parts alone will set you back about $4K + the cost of the engine.
I wonder if you have compression tested your engine? A 2L motor with a fresh top end should be pretty fun to drive. Of course not as fun as one of Jake's monster engines.
Start cutting weight out of the car, it will be quicker with what you already have for an engine. fiberlglass bumpers, trimming sound deadening etc.
If you want to track or A-X the car, then be sure of what rules you have to run under. For certain club memberships such as PCA, the engine has to be a Porsche engine ( any size type 4, 911 or 928 qualify). So you need to determine what restrictions, if any, apply. Resale value may also influence things. The further you get from stock, the more you have to be sure of your decisions.
I have a 2.0L with dual Weber 44s. The PO didn't have it tuned very well, and after it was properly jetted, it really moved. Check that stuff out first. When it was switched over to carbs, did they also swap out the stock cam for one that is better suited for carbs? If not, that also contributes to your problem.
QUOTE (davep @ Feb 20 2006, 11:48 AM) |
If you want to track or A-X the car, then be sure of what rules you have to run under. For certain club memberships such as PCA, the engine has to be a Porsche engine ( any size type 4, 911 or 928 qualify). So you need to determine what restrictions, if any, apply. |
You didnt mention whether you have proper cam for the carbs or if you have better flowing headers. These two items will make your current carbed engine come alive. Reducing weight is a lot cheaper than going with an expensive conversion or a very expensive Raby option.
If you go big bore rebuild or conversion route I would reccomend a 6 conversion. Its the most cost effective and will result in a car that is more reliable for competiton and will have a better resale value.
If you dont care about PCA I'd reccomend looking at the Subaru conversion option.
Think of a car you've ridden in/driven/owned that you like the power and compute the power to weight ratio.
For example, I had a blast in my 79 928. It weighs roughly 3500 lbs and it had 220 hp. So that's about 16 lbs/hp. For a similary powerful 914 you would need (2200 lbs / 16 lbs/hp) about 137 hp.
With gearing ratios set aside, a four cylinder 2056 or 2270 would easily be as fast as a 79 928. It's not exact, but gives a good approximation of how much hp you're looking for, IMHO.
Hi Phil,
I have the car that phil is referring to....2.7 big 4..
I do think that phil's red 914 could use a good tune, I like the idea of testing the compression. Most likely it has an original cam...
I do think that Jake's 2270 would be the way to go.
I do know that Phil wants to go fast...he was talking about comparing my 914 to a lotus, mach 1, supercharged 928 etc. I am guessing he is looking for around 10 lbs/HP with lots of torque.
Anywhy Phil, welcome and let me be the first to say:
herb
QUOTE (anthony @ Feb 20 2006, 09:01 AM) |
Phil, With six conversions don't forget that the conversion parts alone will set you back about $4K + the cost of the engine. |
QUOTE (jetboy @ Feb 20 2006, 03:31 PM) | ||
Are you saying that to put a /6 in and running will cost 4k in parts alone? Or do you mean after doing the full conversion with flares, 5 lug, brakes, suspension, front mount oil cooler? It would seem that just for the engine mount, oil tank, and even an oil cooler should be less than 4k and will still be road worthy. |
QUOTE (jetboy @ Feb 20 2006, 04:31 PM) | ||
Are you saying that to put a /6 in and running will cost 4k in parts alone? Or do you mean after doing the full conversion with flares, 5 lug, brakes, suspension, front mount oil cooler? It would seem that just for the engine mount, oil tank, and even an oil cooler should be less than 4k and will still be road worthy. |
Trekkor did a lot of fabrication to do his install cheaply. It comes down to either time or money. For example, some guys have the time and ability to spend hours of metal work to make their own engine tin. Others just buy the fiberglass or the factory steel reproduction engine tin.
Rich Johnson sells lots of these conversion parts. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=4315&hl=
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My complete running 2.4 911 E engine and 914-6 oil tank were about $2300. |
tune it and drive it.
You are probably out of tune quite a bit.
then, once you are at that point...buy a parts 2.0 liter motor....and build yourself a 2270..
Buy the kit, get the heads done right...
You will get 180hp and be smiling.
10lbs/hp is a very expensive number...especially in street trim...
Street trim is 2200 lbs...
You can get close and still smile alot.
Rich
I think a 400 hp sbc would do the trick.
the best thing about horsepower is its never enough.
now torque on the other hand is a different story.
TORQUE RULES!!![SIZE=14]
Even Dr. porshe had a 914-8!!!!!!
Not to be a downer but have you taken a look at the cars other running gear aka brakes, steering, suspension.....
If you want to go fast you should be very confident in being able to slow down first. at least that's my plan. Get the car safe.... Set the chassis up right.... really Learn to drive the car.... then add the power without having to worry about killing yourself when your unchecked brakes go out
QUOTE (nein14 @ Feb 20 2006, 12:30 PM) |
Why not go back to injection and a Turbo? |
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