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Posted by: cbenitah Feb 21 2006, 08:17 PM
Does anyone in San Diego have time to help me pull my engine this week? Need to do so before I go down to Mexico this weekend. And I dont have the tools to do it, I heard its 4 bolts, so it shouldnt take that long of a time?
-Cris
Posted by: maddeye Feb 21 2006, 08:28 PM
chris, you can do it 
, took me a little over 4 hrs 
. go over to pelican they have a very easy to follow plan.
George
Posted by: race914 Feb 21 2006, 08:31 PM
I used the Pelican Parts method and it worked great.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 21 2006, 08:35 PM
After Claytons pepp talk saturday I know I will be able to do it.
But I only have the factory jack stand which will not get me very far..
So if you dont have the time but the tools, maybe I could borrow it?
Posted by: Mueller Feb 21 2006, 08:38 PM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Feb 21 2006, 07:17 PM) |
| Does anyone in San Diego have time to help me pull my engine this week? Need to do so before I go down to Mexico this weekend. And I dont have the tools to do it, I heard its 4 bolts, so it shouldnt take that long of a time? -Cris |
how can you own a 914 and NOT have a decent set of tools???
Posted by: Rand Feb 21 2006, 08:44 PM
The right dolly / tranny jack / atv jack / etc. will help a lot. You can do it by yourself, but it's a lot easier and more fun with some help. Wish I was closer. Hopefully some locals will see this and pitch in. 
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 21 2006, 09:28 PM
chris.
go to kragen - buy a set of jackstands and a floor jack. shouldnbt set ya back but 40 bucks.
it is really easy.
i can do it in 40 bymyself........
brando and i have it down to about 20 without even saying a word to each other.... its just a natural thang....
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 21 2006, 10:54 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 21 2006, 07:28 PM) |
| chris. go to kragen - buy a set of jackstands and a floor jack. shouldnbt set ya back but 40 bucks. |
k, I will give it a go on friday. if any of you guys wants to come over and
while i do it thats fine with me.. i'll buy the beer! So cant find the pelican article everyone is talking about, whats the short story?thanks
Posted by: maddeye Feb 21 2006, 11:02 PM
chris let me give this attachment thingy a try http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_engine_drop/914_engine_drop.htm
Posted by: Cloudbuster Feb 21 2006, 11:13 PM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Feb 21 2006, 06:38 PM) | ||
how can you own a 914 and NOT have a decent set of tools??? |
how can you own a 914 and NOT have a decent set of jack stands???
Are you going to do this in front of your apartment?
I only have Friday night available.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 21 2006, 11:14 PM
| QUOTE (maddeye @ Feb 21 2006, 09:02 PM) |
| chris let me give this attachment thingy a try |
it didnt work...
ok, i read the pelican article, it seams like rocket science to me.. I will give it a try, whats the worst that can happen? I have to donate my car to the club.. and start to drive a FIAT... i have heard good stuff about www.wedriveasmallfiatclub.com
The beer offer is still up though!
Posted by: TROJANMAN Feb 21 2006, 11:19 PM
PEP BOYS (auto part store) has 2 jack stands, a 2-ton jack, and creeper for $24.95.
check 'em out.
Posted by: maddeye Feb 21 2006, 11:24 PM
ok how about now, try the new link
Posted by: JOHNMAN Feb 21 2006, 11:25 PM
| QUOTE |
| You can do it by yourself, but it's a lot easier and more fun with some help. |
Hmmm..
I never seem to get any help.
I pulled mine out last saturday. I think it took 3 hours, but I was taking my time.
Jackstands, wrenches, sockets and a floor jack is all you need. FI 4-cyl's are easy as you don't have to get the back end of the car so high in the air.
My hardest part was pulling one of the CV joints. I ended up pulling the stub axle with the whole axle shaft instead.
Good luck to you.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 21 2006, 11:25 PM
| QUOTE (Cloudbuster @ Feb 21 2006, 09:13 PM) |
| how can you own a 914 and NOT have a decent set of jack stands??? Are you going to do this in front of your apartment? I only have Friday night available. |
casue i intend to drive it
friday night is just fine! would you care for a beer outside my apartment? Im actually going to be over at my friends house since thats where ill keep the engine and do my "fixing"
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 22 2006, 06:33 AM
Bump for the Red haired guy from sweden.
Dude... you will also need the CV bolt tool.
You can get that at any VW shop.
And if someone is willing to help you. it ain't on your time frame... it's on theirs.
Giterdone bro.
Twystd1
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 12:27 PM
| QUOTE (Twystd1 @ Feb 22 2006, 04:33 AM) |
| Bump for the Red haired guy from sweden. Dude... you will also need the CV bolt tool. You can get that at any VW shop. And if someone is willing to help you. it ain't on your time frame... it's on theirs. Giterdone bro. Twystd1 |
Do I ask for a CV bolt tool?
dont get me wrong, I can do this @ 4am if anyone wants to help out then.. Time is no issue here as long as its done before sat morning..
I read the pelican article again and again, what scares me is the checklist, i dont even think i will find all the xomponents on the checklist.. maybe i can have someone on the phone in worst case..
thanks for any help
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 22 2006, 12:32 PM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Feb 22 2006, 11:27 AM) | ||
Do I ask for a CV bolt tool? dont get me wrong, I can do this @ 4am if anyone wants to help out then.. Time is no issue here as long as its done before sat morning.. I read the pelican article again and again, what scares me is the checklist, i dont even think i will find all the xomponents on the checklist.. maybe i can have someone on the phone in worst case.. thanks for any help |
you got my number... i can walk you through an engine drop no prob...
Posted by: Headrage Feb 22 2006, 12:33 PM
IMHO, I would definitely wait for assistance from someone who has done it before. At least have someone there to help you. It's not really that hard but a second set of hands and eyes are a very good thing if it's your first time.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 12:36 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Feb 22 2006, 10:33 AM) |
| IMHO, I would definitely wait for assistance from someone who has done it before. At least have someone there to help you. It's not really that hard but a second set of hands and eyes are a very good thing if it's your first time. |
i dont have time to wait, and since noone seam to have the time to come by.. I im off from 1pm fri, which means that I have from 1pm fri to 9 am sat to do it myself.. guess I'll just stay up until its done.. i may get it out i may not. we will see..
Posted by: toon1 Feb 22 2006, 12:39 PM
If things go really bad I will take the donation..LOL
Don't sweat it, it is pretty darn easy, even for a first timer. Go slow take your time to make sure everything is disconnected.
The CV tool is a 8mm 12 point torx head style tool I bought one at NAPA for 8 bucks.
DO NOT USE A TORX TOOL you will strip the bolt and then you are screwed. Good luck
Posted by: Headrage Feb 22 2006, 12:50 PM
I thought you were just going to get the injectors cleaned/replaced?
Are you rebuilding it?
Posted by: TROJANMAN Feb 22 2006, 12:56 PM
get a second set of hands from a friend. they don't need to know 914's to help you drop the engine, just help you lift. plus, it's safer to have someone around. it's not that heavy, but it could help. if i were in your neck of the woods, i'd give you a hand.
that pelican article is very detailed.
Posted by: Pnambic Feb 22 2006, 12:57 PM
I'm a newby but I've taken out (or helped take out) 3 engines over the last year or two. I even put one back in. 
The Pelican article is a pretty darn good guide, but it almost makes it seem like a more difficult process than I think it really is. The CV bolt tool is comonly referred to as a "VW tranny tool". It cost me about $5 or $6 at Napa.
A "furniture mover" is a really nice thing to have when sliding the engine out and moving it to wherever it needs to be. I think I've seen them as cheap as about $20 at Lowes. 
Wish I could help you out. Get me a plane ticket from Indy and I'm there!
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 22 2006, 12:59 PM
| QUOTE (Pnambic @ Feb 22 2006, 11:57 AM) |
| I'm a newby but I've taken out (or helped take out) 3 engines over the last year or two. I even put one back in. The Pelican article is a pretty darn good guide, but it almost makes it seem like a more difficult process than I think it really is. The CV bolt tool is comonly referred to as a "VW tranny tool". It cost me about $5 or $6 at Napa. A "furniture mover" is a really nice thing to have when sliding the engine out and moving it to wherever it needs to be. I think I've seen them as cheap as about $20 at Lowes. Wish I could help you out. Get me a plane ticket from Indy and I'm there! |
a vw tranny tools is a 17mm allen socket......
also used on porsche trannies......
Posted by: Pnambic Feb 22 2006, 01:02 PM
See? Like I said, a newbie!
Its the 8mm 12 point torx you want!
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 22 2006, 01:04 PM
| QUOTE (Pnambic @ Feb 22 2006, 12:02 PM) |
| See? Like I said, a newbie! Its the 8mm 12 point torx you want! |
12pt isnt torx
its a "triple square tool"
Posted by: JOHNMAN Feb 22 2006, 01:06 PM
| QUOTE |
| Its the 8mm 12 point torx you want! |
It is not a TORX.
It is either called a tripple square or a spline. Not a TORX. TORX drivers will end up stripping the splines in the heads of those bolts.
TORX tools have some taper to their splines while the proper spline tool is straight.
DAMN YOU TYPE FAST AARON
Posted by: TROJANMAN Feb 22 2006, 01:08 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 22 2006, 10:59 AM) |
| a vw tranny tools is a 17mm allen socket...... also used on porsche trannies...... |
ask for one of those too, while you're at it.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 01:16 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Feb 22 2006, 10:50 AM) |
| I thought you were just going to get the injectors cleaned/replaced? Are you rebuilding it? |
i am getting them cleaned.. but have to fix my oil leaks, change the seal etc.. and i wanna paint the engine bay as well, so its better to have the engine out..
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 01:20 PM
Guess i didnt make myself clear on one point...
I've been in SD for almost 2 years, and I know ONE guy and he is going away so he can't help me out, which sucks cause he is doing all the work himself on his bmw 2002 racecar.. so he ought to know.. but ill give it a try, will print this and go to kragen and shop around for what i need...
the beer offer is still up there if anyone is down here..
Posted by: Mugs914 Feb 22 2006, 01:21 PM
Hi Cris,
Sorry to be so useless, but I'm going to be out of town from Friday morning until late Saturday or Sunday morning.
You can do this easily, just don't be intimidated. It's all just nuts and bolts. Take your time and make sure everything is disconnected and you'll be fine. Everyone here has already given you the good tips, but in case you get stuck, can call me or Aaron and we'll get you through it.
Again, I'm sorry I won't be around. I'd like to be able to be there to help...
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 01:23 PM
| QUOTE (Mugs914 @ Feb 22 2006, 11:21 AM) |
| Hi Cris, Sorry to be so useless, but I'm going to be out of town from Friday morning until late Saturday or Sunday morning. You can do this easily, just don't be intimidated. It's all just nuts and bolts. Take your time and make sure everything is disconnected and you'll be fine. Everyone here has already given you the good tips, but in case you get stuck, can call me or Aaron and we'll get you through it. Again, I'm sorry I won't be around. I'd like to be able to be there to help... |
thursday evening ?
thats ok, I knew you would help out if you were in town, that is why I started this thread, since i dont know anyone else really down here in SD...
Posted by: Brando Feb 22 2006, 02:03 PM
I'm trying to get a group of hooligans together to trek down friday night. So far if skline isn't workin at the port and he's feeling up to it, we might head down.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 22 2006, 02:03 PM
| QUOTE (Brando @ Feb 22 2006, 01:03 PM) |
| I'm trying to get a group of hooligans together to trek down friday night. So far if skline isn't workin at the port and he's feeling up to it, we might head down. |
i got a midterm on friday... ends at 2...
friday traffic is the buzzkill
Posted by: DonTraver Feb 22 2006, 02:05 PM
Hi Chris. Just a couple of tips.
You posted this, this morning for a drop before Sat morning. Plus, you're wanting to get it done during the week, instead of the weekend when most of us may have time to help you. That really doesn't give anyone much time to reschedule to help you. We all need a longer lead time.
My schedule is usually filled up a couple of weeks in advance. I just can't start canceling appts on such short notice, as I will get charged for them anyway. I'm sure there are others in the same boat.
Here's a suggestion, cancel the engine drop, just get your injectors taken care of for now, and reschedule the drop a couple of weeks down the road. That will give us all time to get it done.
The most important part of any job is the planning. We used to have the 7 "P"s when I was in the Navy.
The 7 P's
Proper prior planning prevents piss poor production. It still applies today.
I and I'm sure the other locals will be happy to help you out, we just need more lead time. I've never dropped a 4, just 6's, so I don't have any of the special tools you're going to need.
Best Regards, Don
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 02:49 PM
| QUOTE (DonTraver @ Feb 22 2006, 12:05 PM) |
| Hi Chris. Just a couple of tips. You posted this, this morning for a drop before Sat morning. Plus, you're wanting to get it done during the week, instead of the weekend when most of us may have time to help you. That really doesn't give anyone much time to reschedule to help you. We all need a longer lead time. My schedule is usually filled up a couple of weeks in advance. I just can't start canceling appts on such short notice, as I will get charged for them anyway. I'm sure there are others in the same boat. Here's a suggestion, cancel the engine drop, just get your injectors taken care of for now, and reschedule the drop a couple of weeks down the road. That will give us all time to get it done. The most important part of any job is the planning. We used to have the 7 "P"s when I was in the Navy. The 7 P's Proper prior planning prevents piss poor production. It still applies today. I and I'm sure the other locals will be happy to help you out, we just need more lead time. I've never dropped a 4, just 6's, so I don't have any of the special tools you're going to need. Best Regards, Don |
thanks don,
Yea I know its short notice, sorry about that! Its just that my friend cancelled on helping me so I didnt know where to turn other than to the club. I got some other bad news which will force me not to take the engine out anyways.. My friends firend who was supposed to help me down to mexico called just now and said he had to go to big bear and needed his trailer.. So now im out of trailer and truck. So I'll just drive the car down, and do some work that needs to be done for now.. And when I get back I hope I can take the engine out on a weekend and do the work in two days. I hope I can bring my injectors with me from TJ, since I hope you can take them off without dropping the engine..
or am i misstaking?
some updates on my car, this morning I was seriously running on one or two cylinders, got some nasty clouds of smoke behind me.. no idle at all.. then all of a sudden poped back to three and idle just fine.. So I WILL NEED to get those injectors (and a ground strap) done ASAP..
thanks for all the help though. I will print this thread out and save it.
-Cris (the confused swede)
Thanks to Mugs914 who offered to lend his trailer to me. unfortunatley it didnt click on our weekends.. but big THANKS
Posted by: Brando Feb 22 2006, 03:02 PM
Put in a new coil while you're at it. They're cheap.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 03:04 PM
| QUOTE (Brando @ Feb 22 2006, 01:02 PM) |
| Put in a new coil while you're at it. They're cheap. |
got a blue one laying around as well as petronics.. but as usuall they are just there, dont know f i should put those in or buy new ones..
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 22 2006, 03:14 PM
Yo Chris,
A few things that you may already know, but that I have experienced and want to pass on.
1. when removing the engine, make sure to remove the ground strap at the back of the tranny. I have done forgotten this soo many times and it is a pain to do while ballancing your tranny/eng in a jack.
2. When going to Mexico you will pass through the area with the lights. If you get red you will have to go to the right side for secondary inspection. If you are trailering a car, you will have to go to the right hand side for secondary inspection. They will want to see you registration, and it MUST be current. I made the mistake of grabbing my old registration when I trailered my car down for paint and I was turned around at the border and sent home. It only cost me an extra hour 
3. You can remove injectors with engine in car. It is not too hard. Just remove the retaining nuts that hold the collars around the injectors (these will be obvious). then unclamp your fuel lines and plug them. Simple.
I wish I still was in SD so I could help, but you do have a bunch of help in that area so long as they are not booked. I have recieved help from Don, and Cloudbuster (Mark) to name a few. Great fellas, you are lucky to be living there.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 03:20 PM
| QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 22 2006, 01:14 PM) |
| Yo Chris, A few things that you may already know, but that I have experienced and want to pass on. 1. when removing the engine, make sure to remove the ground strap at the back of the tranny. I have done forgotten this soo many times and it is a pain to do while ballancing your tranny/eng in a jack. 2. When going to Mexico you will pass through the area with the lights. If you get red you will have to go to the right side for secondary inspection. If you are trailering a car, you will have to go to the right hand side for secondary inspection. They will want to see you registration, and it MUST be current. I made the mistake of grabbing my old registration when I trailered my car down for paint and I was turned around at the border and sent home. It only cost me an extra hour 3. You can remove injectors with engine in car. It is not too hard. Just remove the retaining nuts that hold the collars around the injectors (these will be obvious). then unclamp your fuel lines and plug them. Simple. I wish I still was in SD so I could help, but you do have a bunch of help in that area so long as they are not booked. I have recieved help from Don, and Cloudbuster (Mark) to name a few. Great fellas, you are lucky to be living there. |
dont have a gound strap
thats what Iwill need to put on once its done.. I cant find my registration so i need to go and get a new one, but its current..
i will work on the injectors, so i can bring them home with me. I feel im lucky to live down here, its difficult to meet people if you are new but i enjoy my time here..
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 22 2006, 06:11 PM
No ground strap?! No wonder your car is running like crap. It is kind of a necessity for the electrical things
Posted by: hmeeder Feb 22 2006, 06:30 PM
Chris;
I'd be glad to help, but Don's right, you didn't give us much notice, eh? Friday night is out. I'm at work.
Cloudbuster and I dropped his motor in about 45 minutes one evening.
Double check that you even need the triplesquare CV joint tool. Several of those have been changed to a standard 8mm allen head.
And Mike is right, no groundstrap? That's gonna cause problems.
the triplesquare looks like this
Attached image(s)
Posted by: Headrage Feb 22 2006, 06:53 PM
Ya gotta have a ground.
If you were willing to come up this way I would help you drop the motor.
We could put the car on a lift and have it out in 30 minutes. I could even store the car for a couple weeks. Longer if you help me cut up the tub I have taking up space.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 07:05 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Feb 22 2006, 04:53 PM) |
| Ya gotta have a ground. If you were willing to come up this way I would help you drop the motor. We could put the car on a lift and have it out in 30 minutes. I could even store the car for a couple weeks. Longer if you help me cut up the tub I have taking up space. |
I'm sorry for the short notice, but like I tried to explain, the reason was that my friend cancelled on me yesterday. Otherwise he would have been my help. I'm taking the car to mexico with john rogers to have my tub cleand and fixed for minor rust. then painted of course. Rght now I'm not sure what I will make them do since I will have the engine in the car and wont have the abiltiy to paint the engine bay
thus due to no trailer.. I dont think Uhal will let me take a trailer to mexico either 
As for the ground strap, NOW I know thanks to Clayton (and brad roberts) that I dont have one.. I am in the process of ordering one from PP I think Clayton said.
thanks guys I really appretiate the help, and once I'm up and running after my first pull, give me a call and I'll help you out! Well, I'll help out know if I can do something for you!
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 22 2006, 07:17 PM
I used a Uhaul (illegally) to take my car to Mex. I got the insurance on it and I am glad I did as a cab driver hit the trailer while I was down there. Good thing he kept going after we got them sepparated
The Uhaul is a pig magnet! When my newly painted PORSCHE was sitting in it and I was in traffic on the way back I was almost hit again by a duschbag murging while talking on his cell phone in his big ass truck. As I am hanging out the window of my car yelling at him to stop a cop saw me, saw my car, and decided he needed to talk to me. He claimed that I was not allowed to have the Uhaul in Mex with out the special authorization (that does not exist) and tried to extort $400 from me. "Lucky" me I only had $100 
Dushbags. It was the only time that I got extorted, but I would keep it legal if I were you. Current registration and a legal trailer.
Funny, I didnt get stopped when it looked like a turd
Posted by: Headrage Feb 22 2006, 07:30 PM
If you can get it here and be willing to ride a bus or train back I'll help you get er done. You'll have to wait on the body and paint though.
Get the car here, I'll help you pull the motor and clean up the engine bay (up to 3000 psi steam available) and get a welder to help repair whatever problems you may have, plus a parts car to take pieces from as long as the hell hole is not fried.
I'll also store the car while the motor is being worked on if you help me cut up the parts tub.
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 22 2006, 07:36 PM
What a deal!
Allan must be lonely
Honestly, Chris. You can have it done fast, quick, or right. Pick one. If you rush this you will be kicking your self later.
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 22 2006, 07:59 PM
Chris,
Do it any way you want to... This is how we all learned.
Take notice of the following. From what you have told me.
When you do it YOUR WAY..
It gets expensive and doesn't get done right.
Does another week or two to "GET IT RIGHT" really make that big of a differance in the long run?
Only you know the answer. I have no clue what your time frames are and your time constraints.
Me.... No way would I send the car to Los Panchos with the engine in it.
They would have to pull the engine and tranny to clean the engine compartment and handle ANY repairs in that area.
Do you have the new mounts ready for them so you can mount your computer?
Or are you going to let it dangle and keep getting it smacked each time you go over a bump?????
Now think about this..
Does LosPanchos know how to rewire, put fuel lines on, set up the throttle cable, make sure all vacuum lines are installed correctly?
Do they have the CV tool?
And on and on??????
Are you going to have to fix their mistakes when you have never done it yourself?
Dude... take a breath... Pull the engine out in San Diego.
Do it right.. Do it once.
Treat your car like royalty. It will inturn treat you the same.
(as it rusts before your eyes )
Twystd1
Posted by: MattR Feb 22 2006, 08:03 PM
I sent my 912 to tj with the engine in it. It was a complete car, I just told them not to touch the engine bay. I'm going to paint it black on my own time.
Posted by: Headrage Feb 22 2006, 08:25 PM
| QUOTE (MattR @ Feb 22 2006, 06:03 PM) |
| I sent my 912 to tj with the engine in it. It was a complete car, I just told them not to touch the engine bay. I'm going to paint it black on my own time. |
The problem with your offer is that we know that you ride the shorter bus to school.
If that's okay with everyone then go for it...
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 22 2006, 08:28 PM
Matt,
God dam kids...... Here we go again.....
His whole engine compartment is covered in oil.
His engine leaks like a sieve.
I don't think I want a freshly painted car that will LOSE it's shine and have the oil start eating my paint the fist day i drive it with a new paint job..
Constant covering of oil eats paint. (like your type3)
Matt, I know your 912. I have worked on it. In fact... Crap.. I work on all your cars..... I think I fixed the T-Bird when I pissed in your gas tank..
But I digress.......
Differant parameters here.. The engine and possibly the tranny need some oil fixing.. like bad...
I personally wouldn't do it after a paint job...
Your thoughts??? (ya little shit)
Twystd1
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 08:29 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Feb 22 2006, 05:30 PM) |
| If you can get it here and be willing to ride a bus or train back I'll help you get er done. You'll have to wait on the body and paint though. Get the car here, I'll help you pull the motor and clean up the engine bay (up to 3000 psi steam available) and get a welder to help repair whatever problems you may have, plus a parts car to take pieces from as long as the hell hole is not fried. I'll also store the car while the motor is being worked on if you help me cut up the parts tub. |
wow, I can't pass on that offer really!
This weekend is not a good time for me anyways, and YES, I want to do my car RIGHT! If I ever move back to sweden the car is coming with me!
So when are you avalible? This Saturday? (which would be a god one for me anyways)
As for the hell hole, I have a quarter size hole so I guess I'm not in the REALLY bad like some cars out there?!
my sidemarkes needs to be welded too, but I suppose the TJ crew does that??
I'll PM you for more info
Posted by: Headrage Feb 22 2006, 08:34 PM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Feb 22 2006, 06:29 PM) | ||
wow, I can't pass on that offer really! This weekend is not a good time for me anyways, and YES, I want to do my car RIGHT! If I ever move back to sweden the car is coming with me! So when are you avalible? This Saturday? (which would be a god one for me anyways) As for the hell hole, I have a quarter size hole so I guess I'm not in the REALLY bad like some cars out there?! my sidemarkes needs to be welded too, but I suppose the TJ crew does that?? I'll PM you for more info |
PM me but better yet, call me tomorrow around 10...
We will get it done...
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 22 2006, 08:37 PM
Know this, from personally taking a few cars down to be done, some of the best work they have done actually, the key was to NEVER rush them. They will cut corners like you would not believe. I have never gotten a car back in time. I have always had to have them fix shoddy work, but in the end the extra work you do and time you give them, and the price are well worth it.
I took my car down to them with the engineout first to have them weld in a /6 mount. Then I painted the engine bay, mounted the engine, tranny, etc, then took it down for paint.
Safest best way. Do not settle for less than you bargained for when you go down there. They will take advantage of you if you are in a hurry.
Posted by: Headrage Feb 22 2006, 08:38 PM
| QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 22 2006, 05:36 PM) |
| Allan must be lonely |
You smell funny...
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 08:40 PM
WO....
Guess I was a slow typer didnt see all of claytons and Matts comments until now.. I agree! The car is not going to TJ with the engine!! no matter what! that is why I'm greatful for claytons help, he actually told me what was wrong with it, no one has ever ben able to do that. And me looking at it doesnt make much difference, I dont know where to look.
So now its time to remember all the stuff you told me Clayton, I know the seals/gaskets may need a replace, uhm something about my clutch too but cant recall what exactly i needed to do. the injectors send them to get cleaned (better than buy new ones casue you know what you get -claytons words) 
No, I will not put ALOT of money into the engine, just fix the leaks and make it run like a 1.8 shall do! I'm not in any spec hurry, the "hurry" I had was that John offered me to go with him to Los Panchos, i can tell you this, i would NEVER go down there myself, then I'd come back with a $10K job and no clothes! hell I would probably not come back at all.. Hopefully I can go with someone else that needs to go down there soon.
Posted by: Headrage Feb 22 2006, 08:41 PM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Feb 22 2006, 06:29 PM) |
| This weekend is not a good time for me anyways, and YES, I want to do my car RIGHT! If I ever move back to sweden the car is coming with me! So when are you avalible? This Saturday? (which would be a god one for me anyways) As for the hell hole, I have a quarter size hole so I guess I'm not in the REALLY bad like some cars out there?! my sidemarkes needs to be welded too, but I suppose the TJ crew does that?? I'll PM you for more info |
Call me in the morning after 9:00 am....
The number is 1-(661) 979-2266.
If the rest of you pervs call me I will track you down...
Posted by: MattR Feb 22 2006, 08:42 PM
| QUOTE (Twystd1 @ Feb 22 2006, 06:28 PM) |
| Matt, God dam kids...... Here we go again..... His whole engine compartment is covered in oil. His engine leaks like a sieve. I don't think I want a freshly painted car that will LOSE it's shine and have the oil start eating my paint the fist day i drive it with a new paint job.. Constant covering of oil eats paint. (like your type3) Matt, I know your 912. I have worked on it. In fact... Crap.. I work on all your cars..... I think I fixed the T-Bird when I pissed in your gas tank.. But I digress....... Differant parameters here.. The engine and possibly the tranny need some oil fixing.. like bad... I personally wouldn't do it after a paint job... Your thoughts??? (ya little shit) Twystd1 |
I wasnt trying to make you wrong. I was trying to introduce the option of rattle-caning the engine bay after it got back.
I didnt know you had rust either. They will fix rust and the side markers and all that good stuff.
Did you by chance piss in the back seat of the t-bird too? Because the inside smells like piss, and ive been trying to chase it.
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 22 2006, 08:49 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Feb 22 2006, 07:38 PM) | ||
You smell funny... |
Get yer nose out of there Chris,
If you have no actual ground strap then your clutch cable and throttle cable are likely standing in for you.
Unfortunatly, this means that thery are erroding and will likely break in the near future. I would recommend ordering new ones. Just my experience.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 08:57 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Feb 22 2006, 06:41 PM) | ||
Call me in the morning after 9:00 am.... The number is 1-(661) 979-2266. If the rest of you pervs call me I will track you down... |
ha, now it sounded like I cant do it this weekend, I can do everything its just i didnt have anyone taking me down to TJ thats all.. I'd love to get er done this weekend. (as much as possible)
rust??! no no, its not that bad! Got some small stuff laying around but nothing major at all.. to much oil everywhere to make it rust
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 22 2006, 08:58 PM
SD to bakerstucky = 4hrs?
walking home chris?
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 09:01 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 22 2006, 06:58 PM) |
| SD to bakerstucky = 4hrs? walking home chris? |
I hope not! Thats a long ass walk
I got some friends up there, and wouldnt it be possible to fix the leaks and mounts in one weekend? I can work real hard if I have someone telling me what to do...(the injectors will be sent off from here) unless someone has a pair of fresh ones for me?!?!
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 22 2006, 10:44 PM
Hey allan.
because there is no ground strap..
The engine dies when ya put in the clutch.. I know. I drove the car..
Instaground break..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We put a new accelarator cable in it at Joes.
Check the clutch cable. It has been acting as the ground strap since the previous mechanic stuck a fucking starter relay down by the tranny.
Cause he didn't know 914s needed a ground strap. Or he just hosed Christopher. ( thats my assumption based on the story Chris gave me)
A bunch of clowns have touched this car before it got to Joes.
They didn't know JACK.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (kinda like me, but worse)
The cold injector leaks, the thing ran super rich when I got it.
(by passed it, and no more smoke, yeah!!!!)
We bypassed a few things to get him home.
And please.. while the engine is out... "MARK THE FLYWHEEL" please.
I timed it by taking the dizzy to light ping on a bogging second gear transition and backing it off a bit.
One cylinder reads bout 80 lbs. others are 110 plus on a warm.. Not hot.. engine. No time for a leakdown. have no clue why it has one low cylinder.
When it is running on all 4.. it runs very nice...
or was it that other car... crap.. They all looked the same...
If ya need any more data on what I know bout this engine. PM me or call.
Twystd1
Posted by: Brando Feb 22 2006, 10:48 PM
Cris, I'll call my guy tomorrow and see what I can do for 4x injectors.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 22 2006, 11:01 PM
| QUOTE (Brando @ Feb 22 2006, 08:48 PM) |
| Cris, I'll call my guy tomorrow and see what I can do for 4x injectors. |
oh awesome!!!!
Thanks clayton for that explanation! Couldnt done it better myself
THANKS!!!!!
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 22 2006, 11:05 PM
Twystd1 = gynocologist of the 914 world!
"they all look the same"
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 03:29 PM
So to all that knows what needs to be done.. is this list it?! do I need everything? do i need something else?
is there a place cheaper than Performance Products?
thanks guys
904131 Oil Seals Mainshaft Seal $3.95
904139 Wheel Seal Front Seal $5.95
904141 Oil Seals Pulley Seal $7.95
904145 Oil Seals Trans Side Cover Seal $12.95
904149 Oil Seals Flywheel Seal $12.95
904127 Fuel Injector O-Rings Large $0.95
904126 Fuel Injector O-Rings Small $0.95
903746 Transmission Ground Strap $15.95
904538 Clutch Cables $16.95
905507 914 Battery Tray $44.95
905504 914 Battery Tray Support $26.95
904476 Engine Mount 24.95
904109 Engine Gasket Sets $62.95
Subtotal: $238.35
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 23 2006, 03:35 PM
Try GPR (german parts and restoration), and EBS (engine builder supply. Great customer service, just call em).
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 03:38 PM
| QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 23 2006, 01:35 PM) |
| Try GPR (german parts and restoration), and EBS (engine builder supply. Great customer service, just call em). |
looks about the same in price.. at least for seals etc.. i know GTP has engine mounts cheaper but I dont know how lng they take to ship stuff..
Posted by: Brad Roberts Feb 23 2006, 03:39 PM
Or call me.
858-693-9911
I can pull the engine Friday night for free. It will take 2 hours (3 if you dont stand back)
B
Posted by: Brad Roberts Feb 23 2006, 03:39 PM
The parts you listed can be had here locally for the same prices.
B
Posted by: Headrage Feb 23 2006, 03:39 PM
Don't forget:
CV bolts & washers
Flywheel bolts & washer
Viton push rod tube seals (I think the gasket kit still comes with the crappy type)
Tranny input shaft seal (just in case yours is leaking)
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 23 2006, 03:41 PM
dude - take brad up on his offer.
how you getting your car and engine back home chris?
Posted by: Headrage Feb 23 2006, 03:42 PM
| QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Feb 23 2006, 01:39 PM) |
| The parts you listed can be had here locally for the same prices. B |
Hey Brad,
Can you set him up on everything he needs?
Just gonna pull the motor and replace every seal that can be done without pulling the motor apart.
All the tranny seals would be good to have as well.
Posted by: Headrage Feb 23 2006, 03:42 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 23 2006, 01:41 PM) |
| how you getting your car and engine back home chris? |
He's gonna drive it.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 23 2006, 03:45 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Feb 23 2006, 02:42 PM) | ||
He's gonna drive it. |
he wants the motor out so he can take his car to paint i thought?
Posted by: Cloudbuster Feb 23 2006, 03:52 PM
I'm still available Friday night. I wasn't looking forward to rolling around in the dirt, in the dark, on a cold (for San Diego) night.
Posted by: hmeeder Feb 23 2006, 03:55 PM
| QUOTE |
| I wasn't looking forward to rolling around in the dirt, in the dark, on a cold (for San Diego) night. |
Isn't that a regular Friday night for you Mark?
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 03:58 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 23 2006, 01:45 PM) | ||||
he wants the motor out so he can take his car to paint i thought? |
yea paint is the thought..
Since its in San Diego I could probably find someone to haul the engine over to my friends house.. Dont really know where Brad is at but thats a later problem and not as big as the rest of them out there
now I just need to fnd a trailer to get down to TJ Sat..
Do I need everything I have on my list?
Sending an email to brad soon with all the parts..
thanks
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 03:59 PM
| QUOTE (Cloudbuster @ Feb 23 2006, 01:52 PM) |
| I'm still available Friday night. I wasn't looking forward to rolling around in the dirt, in the dark, on a cold (for San Diego) night. |
haha, maybe im missing something in this statement, you are saying you dont want to help but you are avalible?! ahaha, sorry if this makes me confused..
Posted by: Cloudbuster Feb 23 2006, 04:02 PM
| QUOTE (hmeeder @ Feb 23 2006, 01:55 PM) | ||
Isn't that a regular Friday night for you Mark? |
Yes, but the Ford-load o' hound dogs help keep things warm. They don't like traveling, nor do they like PB.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 08:42 PM
So Brad got most of my parts ordered Thank you so much!
Now I just have a question, I'm not an experienced tow guy (as you probably already figured out) If I went with a UHAL dolly, the ones that just lifts the front wheels, would that work? Does anyone have a better suggestion?
Posted by: Headrage Feb 23 2006, 08:53 PM
The dollies work fine. I towed mine a bunch of time using one. Just make sure it's out of gear and the emergency brake is off.
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 23 2006, 09:20 PM
I towed my car to PA from CA with the uhaul dolly.
Make sure your steering wheel locks! If not youare in for a bad suprise.....ask me how I know
Don't go to Mex with the Uhaul
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 09:30 PM
| QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 23 2006, 07:20 PM) |
| Don't go to Mex with the Uhaul |
wait wait wait now..
I didnt see any uhal stickers on the dolly thats why I thought it may be ok! no?!
it seams like its not that easy then to take the car down,, maybe I just push it down there.. i need the exersice and its not harder than a hockey camp 
hmm...............................
just when it seamed so simple
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 23 2006, 09:43 PM
I did tow several cars down on the Uhaul dolly. It was only the absoleut last trip when I had my beautiful car in on it that the pig got me. No one says anything unless thay are looking for some $$ from you and if you look poor and speak only Sweedish to them youcan probably get by. Its all part of the budget adventure
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 09:46 PM
| QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 23 2006, 07:43 PM) |
| I did tow several cars down on the Uhaul dolly. It was only the absoleut last trip when I had my beautiful car in on it that the pig got me. No one says anything unless thay are looking for some $$ from you and if you look poor and speak only Sweedish to them youcan probably get by. Its all part of the budget adventure |
hahaha, well if they ask me anything I'll just tell them I'm part of the swedish maffia and I know the guy who drove the ENZO
haha, well, I'll see if I can dig up some other options otherwise this seams like only way out..
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 23 2006, 10:33 PM
As a rule of thumb, I always traveled with $40-60 ONLY in my wallet so I could pull out only that mutch to pay off a cop if need be. Of course the one day I get stopped I had nothing but a $100 bill that I had as change from the work being done
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 11:09 PM
well, I dont like bills at all.. so I dont travel with em..
Does Los Panchos take VISA? Or do I need to bring cash.. scary to get caught with THAT much cash in your pants 
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 23 2006, 11:36 PM
CASH only. And you will need to leave a deposit so es you will ahve lots of money on you.
I used to walk down there with the cash, but I am 6'2' 210lbs and bald.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 11:41 PM
| QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 23 2006, 09:36 PM) |
| CASH only. And you will need to leave a deposit so es you will ahve lots of money on you. I used to walk down there with the cash, but I am 6'2' 210lbs and bald. |
and I have played hockey with they guys down in Italy right now
but what good does that make to a mean cop.. thanks
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 23 2006, 11:44 PM
Cops wont harrass you just because. If you dont look flashy, or like you are up to no good you will be fine. Just go straight to where you are intending. The federal police at the check point are no nearly as crooked. It is the traffic cops that suck.
Now you know why I used to charge for the service.
too much stresss.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 23 2006, 11:47 PM
| QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 23 2006, 09:44 PM) |
| Now you know why I used to charge for the service. |
I can make $$$ on this as well
hahaas long as I dont forget my visa paper I think I'll be fine
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 24 2006, 12:10 AM
you need the facts dude.
talk to john rogers, and see if he can go with you or something...
i took 2Large to mexico with me......
Posted by: Brando Feb 24 2006, 12:26 AM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 23 2006, 10:10 PM) |
| you need the facts dude. talk to john rogers, and see if he can go with you or something... i took 2Large to mexico with me...... |
Yeah, but they never checked your undies for cash... So you made it past okay.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 24 2006, 12:28 AM
| QUOTE (Brando @ Feb 23 2006, 11:26 PM) | ||
Yeah, but they never checked your undies for cash... So you made it past okay. |
had a 20 in the wallet, and 2G's in a ziplock bag in my cargo shorts pocket....
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 24 2006, 12:38 AM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 23 2006, 10:28 PM) |
| talk to john rogers, and see if he can go with you or something... |
i am going with john... NEVER ever that i will go alone....
up bright and early tom to harass the uhal guys!
Posted by: Mugs914 Feb 24 2006, 12:46 AM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 23 2006, 10:28 PM) | ||||
had a 20 in the wallet, and 2G's in a ziplock bag in my cargo shorts pocket.... |
Way to go Aaron...
Large sums of cash and ziplock bags... THAT doesn't look suspicious...
Best of luck Cris... Keep us posted.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 24 2006, 12:48 AM
| QUOTE (Mugs914 @ Feb 23 2006, 11:46 PM) | ||||||
Way to go Aaron... Large sums of cash and ziplock bags... THAT doesn't look suspicious... Best of luck Cris... Keep us posted. |
i was hidden from view....
lol
Posted by: MattR Feb 24 2006, 01:36 AM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 23 2006, 10:28 PM) | ||||
had a 20 in the wallet, and 2G's in a ziplock bag in my cargo shorts pocket.... |
you actually pulled out a ziploc bag full of cash at los panchos?
LOL!!!!!!!!
I just pulled out a steaming wad of cash and threw it down like I was some rich white kid.
Posted by: Mugs914 Feb 24 2006, 09:19 AM
| QUOTE (MattR @ Feb 23 2006, 11:36 PM) | ||||||
you actually pulled out a ziploc bag full of cash at los panchos? LOL!!!!!!!! I just pulled out a steaming wad of cash and threw it down like I was some rich white kid. |
Yeah, I keep gettin' images of "Aaron Montana" at Los Panchos...
"Le' me innaduce you to ma leetle frenn!!!"
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 24 2006, 09:27 AM
So how much do they need in deposit?
Going to the bank soon, don't wanna get more than i NEED..
haha, some rich kid, matt you are that guy 
Posted by: MattR Feb 24 2006, 01:52 PM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Feb 24 2006, 07:27 AM) |
| So how much do they need in deposit? Going to the bank soon, don't wanna get more than i NEED.. haha, some rich kid, matt you are that guy |
Thats right. Did you see my 92 thunderbird? Rollin on dubs...
I'd take down 300 bucks for deposit.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 24 2006, 02:03 PM
| QUOTE (MattR @ Feb 24 2006, 11:52 AM) |
| Thats right. Did you see my 92 thunderbird? Rollin on dubs... I'd take down 300 bucks for deposit. |
didnt see it but I can hear the ladies screaming about it all the way down here..
300 buck sounds ok, now I just have to go stealth
and do an Aaron move with the ziplock bag..
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 24 2006, 02:05 PM
WOW!
I just got an email from Brad Roberts and he found all my parts, picking them up today. He got a great deal for me too, I think I saved $100 or maybe even more. He said he can get parts to others down here in SD if they need something.
Thanks Brad
Posted by: spunone Feb 24 2006, 02:50 PM
Damm How big is this Los Ponchos Paint shop is'nt there a few members with there cars down there right now.Do you need to call ahead or just drag it down there with your fingers crossed and a wad of cash in your Baggies? 
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 24 2006, 02:50 PM
They asked if you were a citizen?
Try a differnet place, they are not all the same, some are independantly owned and opperated.
$300 is just fine.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 02:09 AM
The engine is out, its in my friends backyard for now.
Brad should have a for helping me! I will post pics later now I have 6h to figure something out
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 01:27 PM
just some shots of the engine, anyone who is jealous?
no wonder its not running good, I really like the green/yellow epoxy
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 25 2006, 01:36 PM
so is it going down to mex or what?
Posted by: Headrage Feb 25 2006, 01:44 PM
So I'm assuming that you don't need to come up next weekend?
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 01:45 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 25 2006, 11:36 AM) |
| so is it going down to mex or what? |
do you know a way I can solve this? its loaded on the trailer ready to go.. so yes it is going, but when?! how?! its a big PITA here. im trying to solve it, john went down this morning i think, i dont know if i get ripped off going by myself?
did you see that the pulley was put on backwards.. great P.O who owned this car.. the good part is that there is not much rust at all anywhere, rockers looks really good
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 01:48 PM
| QUOTE (Headrage @ Feb 25 2006, 11:44 AM) |
| So I'm assuming that you don't need to come up next weekend? |
i wrote you and email,, didnt you get it? my car wouldnt have made it up there, so I got an offer to borrow a truck yest. but as you probably saw that was an empty promise...
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 25 2006, 01:55 PM
does john have a truck?
why did john go down there without you?
mabye its your english or maybe its me.. but im lost.
Posted by: Headrage Feb 25 2006, 01:57 PM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Feb 25 2006, 11:48 AM) | ||
i wrote you and email,, didnt you get it? my car wouldnt have made it up there, so I got an offer to borrow a truck yest. but as you probably saw that was an empty promise... |
All the e mails go to my office and I left early yesterday to go screw off. No problem. I'm glad you got the motor dropped.
Hope you can find a tow vehicle to get it down to Los Panchos.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 01:57 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 25 2006, 11:55 AM) |
| does john have a truck? why did john go down there without you? mabye its your english or maybe its me.. but im lost. |
its my english for sure!
he has a truck and his car was on it, i have a trailer (brad's) but no truck, not even a small car with a tow hitch, remember i know no one down here
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 02:48 PM
just talked to john, his trip went fine he was in and out in less than 2h, pretty good. We decided that I will go with him next sat 9am when he picks up his car. now i have some work to do with engine and engine bay for now, maybe even prepp the car better than it is. who knows, i will update with some images later..
thanks guys for letting me bounce my ideas around here
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 25 2006, 04:48 PM
There is no such things as accidents.
This was the way it was supposed to play out...
YEAH!!!!!
Now you have an opportunity to do it correctly.
Clean the hell out of that engine bay. (Squeaky clean)
While your at it.
Check the pipe/tube in the engine compartment where the clutch cable comes throught the firewall... make sure that pipe (tube) is solidly affixed to the firewall...
Search "clutch tube" if ya need more info....
Make sure that you have the RIGHT metal pieces to take to Los Panchos for your battery tray AND your ECU (computer)..
They are going to have to weld that in. (Above hell hole)
Ya can't have that ECU dangling around anymore.....
Dude, i am happy for you.. This is turning out exactly the right way..
"The Force is with you Christopher"
Giterdone bro...
Twystd1
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 05:12 PM
| QUOTE (Twystd1 @ Feb 25 2006, 02:48 PM) |
| Clean the hell out of that engine bay. (Squeaky clean) Make sure that you have the RIGHT metal pieces to take to Los Panchos for your battery tray AND your ECU (computer).. They are going to have to weld that in. (Above hell hole) |
i got the battery traysupport from Brad yesterday, i get the tray next week. is there a piece you buy for the ECU?
i have just taken off my front and rear bumper.. side markers, and some stuff, I working on my headlights now, they are a little tricky actually,
I got SO much oil and Dirt underneath the car, wheel weels, floor pans engine bay,
should I clean it before it goes down? or do they, if I am doing with, any recomendation on how to get the grease and oil out?
thanks
clayton, when this is done we have the engine to figure out, it looks bad from where i am at.. low compression is new everything right? dont like the sound of this..
Posted by: toon1 Feb 25 2006, 05:18 PM
looks like you had the tow chain on the engine bar trick.....
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 05:22 PM
| QUOTE (toon1 @ Feb 25 2006, 03:18 PM) |
| looks like you had the tow chain on the engine bar trick..... |
what are you reffering too? havent towed my car yet...
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 25 2006, 05:22 PM
Pressure washer and soap and water. Add about a day of elbow grease (labor) and you will be done cleaning the little beast.
If you clean it up.. you know it will be done RIGHT...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can give your engine a COLD cylinder leak down test or a compression test while it sits on the ground.
Brad or one of the fellas can help you with that.
In reality. Unless you have the bucks. Just run the engine as is.
if ya have the money for a re-build... Now is the time.
Just depends on money...
I think your engine will run fine for a while. not perfect. but plenty good enough.
You engine doesn't make any bad noises and it doesn't smoke...
Hell.. i would run it.....
If ya wanna go fast... Buy another (bigger) engine from one of the guys here on the club.
By the way...
Check your rear shift bushing (search function) while you have the engine out....
NOW is the time for that. And they are cheap..
In fact install a complete shifter bushing kit... cause ya need it.....
Your shifter is a bit sloppy. the fix is cheap.........
Again use the search funtion here for tha data...
Twystd1
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 25 2006, 06:53 PM
Here is what I got done day 1 in the process.. you may think its nothing, but for a guy like me and not owning any spec tools.. I'm pretty satisfied, tired as shit after the bumper bolts, they havent been moved in the last 32 years.. 
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 25 2006, 09:18 PM
good job man.
pull your seat tracks, hedlight doors etc.... rubber seals... everything.
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 25 2006, 09:20 PM
Yes, remove all of the rubber that you safely can or it may get painted.
Posted by: bmunday Feb 25 2006, 09:23 PM
Nice Job Chris Keep it up..
Posted by: dlo914 Feb 25 2006, 09:47 PM
good job! keep it up!
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 26 2006, 12:32 AM
this is where the questions come in.. The P.O went to Maco or Walmart to paint the car, all my rubber seals are already painted.. red and they crack when you do anything to them.. since the car will not be red after Los Panchos, what to do? remove em and paint the red black, buy new ones (dont have the money though) or go without until i do have money?
Aaron, I cant get the headlights out.. I have some screws that are too rusty and worn out.. how do I get them out?? cant figure out how the rockers are attatched either, also the bolts are on SUPER hard. (seat tracks??) you mean brackets? what about the big piece behind the seats? is that to be removed? the black pads underneath the targa bar and the inside of the b pillar? how about this, give me a list on what NOT to mess with instead..
I will go at it tomorrow and hopefully all i have left is to take it somewhere they have a high pressure wash so i can clean it (under side) BTW is that illegal to do? sincei have a ton of oil under there...
forgot, I trashed a bunch of stuff today, dunno if anyone wnated it i highly doubt it though, but my bumpers, targa trim, targa vinyl, firewall crap and some trunk carpets...
should i remove my carpet inside the car? bever got an answer there.. and if I do should I try to keep it and install it again or go with new carpet? mine looks REALLY good think, bt maybe its time for a color change there as well
haha, i keep forgetting.. WIRING??? should I pull everything out? and install new ones? r the same ones? since there is a bunch of wire or just mask it of? sorry, never done this to a car, and I wont show it to my friends in swden until its done, they would think im crazy hahah
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 26 2006, 02:52 AM
DO NOT MESS WITH THE WIRNG YET.
Read below...........................
This is a trick that Aaron used.. And it saved our/his ass on more than one occasion.
Take pictures of ALL the wiring connection you remove. Use a digital camera.
That way when it come time to put em back on... you set up the laptop and use the ORIGINAL pictures to show ya WhaZzz up..
Take close ups so you can see the color coding of the wires and you can see what Pin/tab they are mounted to..
Will save ya a crap load of time....
AND... if ya can't get nuts or bolts loose... By some PB blaster at the auto parts store.
Liquid wrench if ya can't find "PB Blaster".
Squirt the shit out of the fastener... Smack it a couple of times (at least a couple.. More is good) lightly to get the PB working on down the threads....
Just don't smack threads.... Dont screw up the fasteners if at all possible.
If it doesn't come loose quickly................ STOP..
Let the chemical do the work for you..
If all fails... Leave the fastener till the next day. squirt again... Lightly tap the hell out of it to make the PB follow the threads... And try again.......
Then if ya have to.. hit the fastener with a propane torch. Try to un fasten with heat... Don't burn the car up whilst playing the torch on the fasteners.
There are many tricks to removing fasteners.. And I know a bunch of em.... and they take time and care. it's easier to carress em out most of the time than it is to break em....
ya just gotta know how....
Thats why ya have my phone number.....
There are a bunch of guys here that know tons more than me...
Brad, the Captain, Brett and many other guys..
if ya can't reach me.. PM those guys. they have technical assistance that is hard core.
Straight up.. I wish I had a week to give to you... But those are just words.
By the way... Most everything I learned at the beginning. was just like this... trial and error. (expensive error)
Ya should of gone to UCI.... In the Big OC....
Lemme know how it goes.. And take your time...
There isn't a anything that you are about to do that isn't covered on some thread via the search funtion.. (Say's Matt)
Rock on My Red haired friend... And save the Swedish 23 year olds babes for me...
Cause old guys need love too... ![shocked[1].gif](http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/shocked[1].gif)
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 26 2006, 03:03 AM
thanks, that was alot of new words and methods i need to catch up with, you said not to mess with wire.. so tape it down? but you also said take pics of it i'll do both to be sure.
i wouldnt need a week with you, after 12h i learned more than i ever done before!(so after 12h more that would be enough for a good start) you should make the $$ writing a bok and then you can publish it in sweden and get all the blond blue eyes you ever dreamed of!
thanks!
could you PM me your # again, i wanted to call you today but cant find it,
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 26 2006, 03:12 AM
some scary shit clayton.. is this a good or a bad sign? im your WHAT post.. he he 
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 26 2006, 04:23 AM
Los Panchos may very well shoot paint on your wiring.AND the pins they go on. Unless you TELL THEM to tape it up..
I would do it myself. To cover my ass on assembly.
The paint comes off with laquer thinner by the way....
Do not remove the wiring looms from the car... Dude.. you ain't going to pebble beach for a concourse. I know that.
So for instance you take out the headlights and the plugs are dangling..
Go to Home Depot and get soem 3M (brand) Blue masking tape. The 2 inch wide stuff.
Bout 6 bucks a roll I think.. Aint cheap.. but it's the Shiznit.
Cover ALL of your wiring ENDS so they don't paint it. Cover any wiring you don't want painted.
Since your gunna be the guy putting your wires back on.. Like your headlight wires and your tail light wires and your engine wires... ETC.
YOU tape up what you think is appropriate.
Use your common sense.. Ask yourself.. What work can I do NOW.. To set myself up to win when I get the car back from the paint shop...
Whatever time you spend now. Will probably CUT your lost time trying to put it back together by a factor of 3 or more..
Sometime way more!!!! Capiche????
Cause all the kewl shit.. Is in the prep and care... BEFORE PAINT....
DO not trust Los Panchos to understand the wiring in a teener. Hell there are very few guys on this board that really know it WELL...
Including me.
So cover your ass. tape shit up.. take lotsa up close pictures of the detail stuff..
And rock the fuck on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Twystd1
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 26 2006, 04:00 PM
i feel like a paparazzi for all the pics i have taken of the car today.. marked the wires in a way that make sense to me.. pretty proud if i may say so. im working on the inside of the car right now, carpets gone, rails are going and on and on..
ill post more pics later tonight.
cant miss you out on the blue sky and 85 we have there today! B-E-A utiful day!
enjoy the rain up north and east!
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 26 2006, 04:11 PM
dude - tape the shit out of everything... i did...
search for my dissasembly thread...
notice all the blue tape on all the wiring....
i stripped the car to nothing.......
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 26 2006, 04:21 PM
If you don't want it painted, tape it. Since I was like their buddy, they did a bit of that for me because I asked and they knew that they would see my face again so they didnt wanna piss me off. Anyone else, overspray and pray is the way.
85 and sunny 
its 29 and windy.....oh the sun is out. BFD
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 26 2006, 04:45 PM
I'm taping my ass of over here..
question, I am taking the rubber trim off right now, but its stuck! Any advise on how to get the rubber smooth?
everythin inside the car is gone now (except dash which I will keep, should i cover that too??)
Posted by: jd74914 Feb 26 2006, 04:51 PM
cover anything you don't want overspray on, don't chance it getting hit by overspray (unless you really don't care at all )
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 26 2006, 08:09 PM
wow, 
k, Clayton, if this isnt the RIGHT way then I'm not sure what else to do..
Pulled out all the rubber trim there is, saved everything which im kinda proud of, too bad the P.O got the rubber painted as well, I striped the inside of everything, carpet seat brackets bolts nuts the shlabang.. I'm almost to tired to type.. Still can't get the headlights out, the rear was easy! I marked the wires ALL the wires, havent taped them down yet. I used probably 100 ziplock bags to sort the differnt screws.. I even pulled the gas tank out, too bad I missed the sending unit cable, I even tripple checked, but it was hiding underneat pretty good.. Oh, a tip, empty the ENTIRE tank before! now I'm smelling gas everywhere.. wasn't too bad though, had a bucket and filled it ...............
WHat else should I reomove while im at it?! I tried to remove the dash, seams to be impossible! The shifter?
Here is pics of Day 2
Who said you cant strip down a car if you only have an apartment I got my storage room (SUPER TINY) sorted out and fitted everything in there
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 26 2006, 08:56 PM
Slow down the brain brother...
take a deap breath.. grab some intoxicating beverage.
Drink it slow..... AAAAAAHHhhhhhhh....
Thats better.
Christopher,
Put that dam car back together. Or it will sit there and kick your ass.
Thats what ya have the team for.
Our knowledge.
Your labor.
And some labor of ours when we have time and you supply the swedish chicks, food, beverages and No Rap music. (Sorry Matt)
The gift of these little cars is in the experiance of making them come alive again.
And creating in the end result something even better than what Porsche imagined.
Cause we have 35 years of newer technology to help us.
It kinda changes ya permanently... In a good way.
You are about 100 man hours from being basicly done. Like dam nice and handling like a slot car.
You are about 30 man hours from being drivable again after Los Panchos. (puttin car back together)
The only thing we have to figure out now is...
Where the hell is all of that engine oil is coming from.????????
We have to fix that before ya put that engine back in...
And lastly. If ya can afford insurance on two cars... get a cheap runner for a back up car and parts runner.
I don't think I personally know anyone that has a teener as their only Mode of transpo. (cept maybe brando a while back)
Now send those injectors out for cleaning.. Pronto.
Twystd1
Posted by: Dr Evil Feb 26 2006, 09:00 PM
Dawg, yoos need some 914 Ritalin
The proposition that you put forth will surely lead you to less happiness and more money down the drain followed by frustration and a sale for pennies on the dollar.
Do a search, this has happend over and over again.
Assemble it so you have a WORKING work in progress.
just my humble opinion
Posted by: jd74914 Feb 26 2006, 10:08 PM
Take out the front, behind bumper plugs or McMark might kill you Chris
And MHO is the same as the good doctors. Make it a running work in progress.
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 26 2006, 10:11 PM
Aaron... yuos gots da pic of the front bumper plugs removed????????????
or anyone else???
Twystd1
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 26 2006, 10:11 PM
| QUOTE |
| You are about 30 man hours from being drivable again after Los Panchos. (puttin car back together) |
ok ok.... triple that.... and you got me beat ROFL
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 26 2006, 10:18 PM
I said driveable.... Not like really drivable.. I meant like if ya put it at the top of a hill and pushed it drivable..
Like a soap box derby drivable...
Like if Slits was doing it... EEErrrr... I mean MattR.... Oh Shit...
I mean if he is lucky....
OK... Damit... Alright Aaron... CRAP....if he smokes crack for 30 hours solid
I still think he can pull it off.
So there... And my Mom can kick your dads ass.......................
Twystd1
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 26 2006, 10:20 PM
body plugs removed....
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 26 2006, 10:25 PM
How the hell do you do that?????????
Insta pic...........
Twystd1
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 26 2006, 11:37 PM
I guess I am the only one here with my 914 as my ONLY car.. Yea you are right! It was the sun that killed, me! he he ..
I found 4 injectors from a -75 1.8L that I got from a nice guy here at the club.. same ones? or should I just trust that after a cleaning mine will be ok.
After seeing my engine on the ground, ouch, looks like rocket science for this swede. I just saw tons of hours trying to figure the engine part out and not having a car is difficult.. had two different swedish girls driving me to places today, since right now and for maybe 2-3 weeks i'll be handicapt..
I'm liking what I see hapening to my car though!
I just got confsed in the front trunk, I assume that the hoses and plastic bines I saw was the blower fan with hoses? but is it just to go nuts on them and unscrew it.. I have everything organized so assemble should be fairly straight forward.
thanks clayton! you are the wise man here!
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 26 2006, 11:40 PM
i know about the plugs! but mine are black red.. since the P.O didnt do so!
should I still remove em?
and how the HECK do I remove the dash?! no really explanation in the search engine for that
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 26 2006, 11:58 PM
Yes.. Pull plugs... be nice to em... they will come out in one piece.
Look for the dash removal thread in the search function.. It's easy.
If your a midget.
Naw it ain't that bad. I think 8 nuts and few scraped nuckles.
And a bit of cursing.
And some death bed chants..
And a couple of "I am a victim of this thing" quotes.
Yo.. I could have yours off in twenty minutes.. EASY....
Okay... really a half hour.. crap... Aaron might be reading this.. OK.. one hour.... cause my wrists don't turn so good anymore...
Pull ashtray.. Pull end vents, pull glove box and have at it.
Use the search funtion... There are great pictures of somebody doing it somewhere on this site.
Don't start till you read the thread... it will save you time.. Did me!!!!
Twystd1
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 27 2006, 12:04 AM
im using the search engine, but somewho it doesnt like my spelling, im using the dictionary from now on!
So according to you clayton we would have brought my car back to life after one weeks worth of work let me find a University thats closer to you 
well, its time for bed, this day has been a good and productive one, now I dont have time to do anything until friday...
Darn.. (always liked that word haha)
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 27 2006, 12:42 AM
| QUOTE (Twystd1 @ Feb 26 2006, 09:58 PM) |
| Don't start till you read the thread... it will save you time.. Did me!!!! |
too late, all i got was 5 bolts out
then i decided to call it a day since the sunset was closing in on me
Posted by: Aaron Cox Feb 27 2006, 12:45 AM
pulling a dash....
look in the "classics" forum.
iirc - grashopper did a writeup on removing a dash......
takes 20 min if you know where the hidden nuts are
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 27 2006, 01:40 AM
Uh hUh..
He said hidden nuts..... kewl......
Posted by: MattR Feb 27 2006, 01:41 AM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Feb 26 2006, 10:45 PM) |
| takes 20 min if you know where the hidden nuts are |
AND you have the right tools.
A 1/4" drive ratchet, a few extensions, and a swivel joint or two make this job much easier.
Posted by: cbenitah Feb 27 2006, 01:54 AM
| QUOTE (MattR @ Feb 26 2006, 11:41 PM) |
| AND you have the right tools. A 1/4" drive ratchet, a few extensions, and a swivel joint or two make this job much easier. |
when i get the chance ill post a pic of the tools i have access to.. you will laugh your asses off.. but hey, one gotta start somewhere right...
Posted by: MattR Feb 27 2006, 10:38 AM
| QUOTE (cbenitah @ Feb 26 2006, 11:54 PM) | ||
when i get the chance ill post a pic of the tools i have access to.. you will laugh your asses off.. but hey, one gotta start somewhere right... |
SLITS has a nice red toolbox for sale.........
Posted by: cbenitah Mar 4 2006, 09:41 PM
so the car is at Los Panchos..
Thanks John Rogers for coming with me today!
Posted by: cbenitah Mar 4 2006, 09:54 PM
k, here it is...
Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 4 2006, 09:59 PM
sorry man - you got taken advantage of 
no big deal. a life lesson to ya tho
cant wait to see it tho!
Posted by: bmunday Mar 4 2006, 09:59 PM
I could be wrong, but it looks a bit high....I don't know all, but I think you might have paid that here..
Posted by: john rogers Mar 5 2006, 12:02 AM
I was watching the estimator at Los Ponchos today while he was looking at Chris's car and there were several areas that were going to need metal sections cut out and hand made replacements, such as the passenger side of the windshield, front bottom of the passenger side sail area and door were rusted through, four or five sections where the front and rear trunk seals sit were nearly completely missing and finally removing the pinched seam at the rear of the targa bar as the trim will be left off. That last part is sort of like removing the drip rails on a 911 or other coupe. The cutting of the fenders and putting on the flares, rockers and front/rear bumper assemblies will take about a week or more total to fit it up and make it fit well. I know, because I did mine and it took me about a week of evenings since I wanted to go slow and not screw things up. I would estimate it will take a total of 100 to 120 hours to get everthing done including the paint, so figure what fab shop labor is here in CA and then compare the bill Chris got and his would probably come out a bit lower?! I checked a while ago when asking about having a fabricator put on my f/g doors and he said $75 per hour minumum rate and higher if any machine work or welding was involved.
Posted by: bmunday Mar 5 2006, 07:42 AM
I didn't realize the extent of the body work. Spoke out of turn. If it is that extensive, then that seems fair.
From what I have seen, they do great work..
Posted by: Dr Evil Mar 5 2006, 08:56 AM
Ya, at first I thought it was high, but now that John explained all of the body work going down it makes a lot more sense.
Posted by: Headrage Mar 5 2006, 11:12 AM
3350.00 pesos is only 316 dollars. Killer deal!!!
Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 5 2006, 12:51 PM
| QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Mar 5 2006, 07:56 AM) |
| Ya, at first I thought it was high, but now that John explained all of the body work going down it makes a lot more sense. |
Posted by: sixnotfour Mar 5 2006, 01:11 PM
The Whole deal bodywork and paint is 316.00US ?
Unfreakingbelievable, UP here a good deal on a freshly blasted car with little bodywork is 3000.00US
Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 5 2006, 01:15 PM
| QUOTE (sixnotfour @ Mar 5 2006, 12:11 PM) |
| The Whole deal bodywork and paint is 316.00US ? Unfreakingbelievable, UP here a good deal on a freshly blasted car with little bodywork is 3000.00US |
no. he is nearing 4 grand
Posted by: sixnotfour Mar 5 2006, 02:19 PM
| QUOTE |
| 3350.00 pesos is only 316 dollars. Killer deal!!! |
Headrage
Lookin Good Christopher
Posted by: cbenitah Mar 18 2006, 03:10 PM
I'm finally going down tomorrow to take a look at the work. and give them some new instructions.. finally found the paint code i was looking for. dunno how much they have done. anyone been down there lately?
is anyone going tomorrow BTW?
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